2011 Spike VGA winners recap

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  WTF. Skyrim was kinda fun but is so buggy and nothing about it felt new or original; maybe because I pla... : satsun
  • http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=27173191#item_27173191 A lot of Shackers seem to disagree. : XAVdeMATOS
  • Haha someone takes the VGA's seriously. : Porkasaurus
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    That it can still win Best Game despite its inherently buggy nature means the elements that make it great... : Jobos
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      Actually awarding a buggy release like Skyrim is pretty much bullshit. I'm sure they will have plenty of... : cetra00
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        Actually, rewarding polish over all else is what is basically killing our industry. : DeBurgo
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          Other than Valve, who makes games that have polish everywhere? : daVinci1980
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            CD Projekt RED : jujubeads
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              Didn't they have to patch in basic stuff like a tutorial level and bosses that weren't broken / terrible?... : GrandHarrier
              • Maybe, but CD Projekt is in Poland, so everything they make have polish everywhere. : paladinsama
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            uhh like most/all console games. Blizzard tons and tons of indie devs. : DeBurgo
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              Don't most console games have day-0 patches, now? I guess I could maybe see Blizzard, but not if you incl : daVinci1980
              • It is not very common for consoles still but it is unfortunately on the rise. It is very much still a few... : cetra00
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                no 0-day patches are not that common. also I believe some of them occur due to cert-process shenanigans. ... : DeBurgo
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                  Did... Did you play portal 2? : daVinci1980
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                    Do you play games? Valve time is a thing. It's an actual thing. : daVinci1980
                    • yes I did. Source engine has been a pretty buggy engine, though admittedly portal 2 was probably one of t... : DeBurgo
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                also guess what wow is: a fucking huge mmo with tons of shit in it. sounds like another game we're talkin... : DeBurgo
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                  True, but the bugs I'm referring to are the "hey, this update is all about this new raid... aaaaaaand it'... : daVinci1980
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                    You're full of it. I can't remember the last time that happened. That's the exception, not the norm. They... : zombie man
                    • Clearly you never played through all of WoW classic, TBC, and somewhat in Wrath. : Chod
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          I like how you drew that conclusion even though nobody said so. I really can't believe I'm sitting her... : cetra00
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            there are definitely different levels of bugginess and some kinds are more acceptable than others. Obv... : DeBurgo
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              I'm gonna repost this every time you allude to it being just a few bugs: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wi... : daVinci1980
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                it's just a few bugs. : DeBurgo
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                  Now in convenient image format: http://chattypics.com/files/BugsSkyrimTheElderScrollsWiki_a8x53308jd.png : daVinci1980
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                    i wasn't saying the game wasn't buggy or that it was just a few bugs (it's just a few bugs) just that mos : DeBurgo
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                      Did you actually read the list of bugs (here's a link! http://chattypics.com/files/BugsSkyrimTheElderScro... : daVinci1980
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                        Whoops I missed the divider for moderate-to-minor bugs (so there are ~the same number of moderate as ther... : daVinci1980
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                          no offense but you're being kinda obtuse. the bugs that break quest lines are really not that common. tha... : DeBurgo
                          • I agree. Pretty sure most of that list is bullshit. The game is very clean. I think I encountered two bug... : zombie man
      • Where the hell do you guys come from? : Zips
      • Flaws in a game are the nature of its creation. Look at Star Wars for example. According to George Lucas ... : alllivestaken
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    fuck this "it can't be goty it's too buggy!" sentiment if more buggy games are like skyrim then maybe ... : DeBurgo
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      So more games with poorly thought out (and easily exploitable) game mechanics, boring and derivative comb : daVinci1980
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        it's also probably the most massive game world out there with a quest structure that is pretty much appro... : DeBurgo
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          I think anyone could look past a little bugginess. That's not really what we're talking about, right? ... : daVinci1980
          • you are in the minority because the game is amazing, it isn't for you obviously, it just means you are a ... : gmd
          • and of course an open world game with near infinite variations on quests is going to have more bugs than ... : gmd
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            I've never seen you hate on a game like this, you're usually so positive. It's weirding me out. : MaxPete82
            • I actually am having a reasonably fun time with it--I just don't get the huge boner that some folks have ... : daVinci1980
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      Developers and publishers need to be held to a higher standard. Remember, not everyone who has a console ... : midnightgreen20
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        it really is not a slippery slope. There are enough developers/publishers that still like to polish their games because polished games look and play good, and are attractive to players. And there is truth to that. Look at the COD games, those games are hella polished -- easily the most polished games in the industry right now. They're also put out every year, and tend to include rather incremental changes rather than big and dramatic ones. There's also the "make it massive, huge, complex and get it out sometime this century and just squash the major/game-breaking bugs and crash bugs" approach which is equally valid.
        
        My point is we've been too much in this "polish at all costs" approach for a while now (I think MS cert has had something to do with this trend), has actually worked to the detriment of many games, where features or ideas have been cut out because developers didn't know how to make them totally stable or work 100% of the time. We should be allowing and encouraging experimentation, not demanding that developers get it totally right the first time every time (which, I mean, doesn't happen anyway even with polish). There should be a diverse ecosystem of games and one of those variances should be tolerance for bugs.
        
        also I've said polished so many times the word feels like it's starting to lose all meaning.

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        it really is not a slippery slope. There are enough developers/publishers that still like to polish their : DeBurgo
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          I think there is a way to be creative AND have a high quality game all at the same time, without any bugs... : midnightgreen20
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            No, there really isn't, actually. You cannot have big bold leaps in game development in a timely fashion : DeBurgo
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              woah unfinished sentence there, the second sentence in the second paragraph should read: "Sometimes when ... : DeBurgo
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                But the ultimate thing you have to consider is that the consumer is spending $60 on said product. With th... : midnightgreen20
                • And in film, absolutely everything is intentional. Producers spend months of pre-production getting thing... : midnightgreen20
      • Not everyone has Internet? This is your greatest worry about perception of games? A lack of patches? ... : Moonbase Commander
      • Everyone playing Skyrim on PC has internet, that much is for sure. : Vincent Grayson
      • Holding yourself to a higher standard doesn't start at limiting the amount of patches you release. : Lucy Labia
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    I think that is exactly it, Oblivion wasn't really a main stream game. Skyrim got a lot of hype and got p... : XwingVmanX
    • What? Oblivion brought RPGs into the mainstream, it was huge with the casual crowd, especially on the 360... : pyide
  • Skyrim 0wns. Deal with it. : dpgagnon
  • Skyrim is hands down the best game I've ever played. Giving it GOTY isn't a question at all in my mind. : Vincent Grayson
  • People love sandbox games no matter how buggy they are. Games like these are so massive that it would be... : herradura99
  • Nothing else comes close in terms of the amount of time I've put into a game this year. Yeah it's buggy t... : OutlawSundown
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  I am shocked BF3 didn't win anything. I would say hands down best shooter, and probably best multiplayer... : Guava D
  • meh... who the fuck cares, its Spike TV. : Shadowdane
  • And best graphics. Graphics could also go to Witcher 2. But it's Spike, so whatever. : the Scrivener
  • Yeah, BF3 is amazing, but "spike tv" is meaningless anyway. : niceguynick
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  Interesting, no mention of BF3? I preferred it's multiplayer over the Portal 2 coop... OPINIONS! : SigENeaT
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    I can see MW3 getting best shooter, but how the hell Portal 2 beat BF3 for best multiplayer in general wt... : peat
    • Makes sense to me. BF3 is good, great even, but Portal 2's multiplayer is fresh, new and incredibly engro... : ChromeBallz
• 2012 Spike Video Game Awards already? : ArtilleryMarker
• I agree with the entire list except for these two, but i don't know the nominees. Best Shooter: Call of ... : GoldfishInAJarOfPickles
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  What DLC did portal 2 have that was better than Uncle Tully's Funhouse for Monday Night Combat? : Haxim
  • co-op dlc, it was awesome. : GoldfishInAJarOfPickles
• Skyrim! Woo! Congrats, Bethesda :) : Jobos
• Best Nolan North voice performance (should've been a real award, but sadly isn't): Portal 2. One wor : the archvile
• While its difficult to take the entire thing seriously, two facts: - that the awards were basically clea... : Masem
• So is it 2011 or 2012? From here in the chatty, it looks like you don't know what time it is. : Agrona
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  Portal. 2 won best performance for a human male and female. What a disgrace : turbotim3
  • Agreed, neither of the characters were human! : Memphis-Ahn
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  Surely if Skyrim is GOTY it gets to win lots of other categories by default. Best Action Adventure, Best... : Alexrose
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    Skyrim isn't an action adventure, it's an RPG and it won that category. Skyrim is amazing overall (!) ... : ChromeBallz
    • How can Skyrim be game of the year, but not be the best game on ANY platform, while Portal 2 is released ... : Alexrose
• Skyrim came out very close to the voting. No big surprise. : nisolider