EA confirms Dragon Age 2 DLC caused Steam removal

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  The "restrictive" terms that steam have are probably to make it simple for everyone to buy DLC which is h... : razlebol
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    Let me give this business all my money to spite this other business I don't like. : Endymion_
    • More correctly: let me only spend my money with a service I enjoy and support in hopes its continued succ... : surley_monkey
    • What a stupid argument. I would like to buy games. I will buy them on the service I like, that works well... : Johnnsen
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    the policy seems to be "if you want to make DLC, it has to be on our system" and if you want to make syst... : dahanese
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      Well the scenario I'd like to avoid is this: 1. It's 2015 and I feel like firing up BioShock 2. 2. I ... : Schnapple
      • +1 for Truth : Kubiac
      • i think everyone wants to avoid that situation. taking a game i work on out of the equation and going bac... : dahanese
      • Same thing could happen to Steam. And now your entire digital collection is no longer available. So your ... : GrandHarrier
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      I don't think that's not them terms they have. I think that if they make DLC they have to put them on sal... : razlebol
      • I don't think that the terms they have. I don't think that's not them terms they have : razlebol
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      Valve's policy makes complete sense and IMO is great, both in terms of selling more DLC as well as provid... : Sapiens
      • I guess TL;DR the fact that titles sold on Steam are now required to have at least one not-so-horseshit a... : Sapiens
    • No one knows for sure. I'd gather that Valve wants it so that the DLC simply can be available on Steam, n : Rice-Rocketeer
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    What does steamy dick taste like? : Zero Hoki
    • If Valve pushed a new DRM update through Steam that required the end-user to chug pud that extended out o... : Crabs Jarrard
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      What does your shit life with unnecessary comments feel like? : razlebol
      • Stop it! Zero Hoki is right. : Hunter545
• Sounds fine to me. I don't want to have to buy Disney Dollars in order to buy DLC. : moogle
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  EA is not trying to work it out there willing using this rule by steam as a reason to get them to drop th... : Twin--Sword
  • yup, that's exactly it : Dravenport
  • Agreed, this is a cold war of EA versus Steam, and they're using in-game stores and loyalty clubs as an e... : the archvile
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    While this is probably true, it really bugs me Valve has not said one word about it. : zuff
    • What is there to say? They got removed because they don't respect the agreement. Nothing more, nothing le... : razlebol
    • Whatever they would release, it would always sound defensive and open more questions. Steam are being bus... : Lukiopimp
  • 100% correct : surley_monkey
  • That also lets them point the fingers to somebody else when they make their games Origin exclusive. : Johnnsen
  • There games are on most other digital distributors without problems. Valve is the problem here. : Zero Hoki
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  I agree with EA in that they are not confined by any "law" that says they have to have their games on Ste... : AlphaBovine
  • One thing to consider from Valve's side. There's no question that the loss of Valve's cut of the DLC a... : Masem
  • Honestly, the problem I have with EA at this point is the way they make you buy dlc with points and don't... : Vincent Grayson
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  I doubt those rules are new. In fact, I doubt anything EA says, especially since lately they're pushing O... : paketep
  • These problems started with Crysis 2 immediately after Steam introduced the Free to Play model for Steam... : Syclone
• haha, such a vague and bullshit excuse. : atom519
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  restrictive DLC policies my fucking ass. who is making this shit up at EA ?????? : Downforce
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    isn't it kind of funny we cheer for Valve's enforcement of this while we meet apple with disdain for a si... : JuffoWup
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      The reason is two-fold: #1: Every move Valve has ever made with Steam has been to enhance the experience... : LoioshDwaggie
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        What are the Crysis 2 issues? : Endymion_
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          It has to do with the mycrisis account not being tied properly to the EA account and the Crysis/gamespy a... : LoioshDwaggie
          • Here it is: http://www.shacknews.com/article/69452/dragon-age-2-missing-from-steam?id=26385797#itemanchor... : LoioshDwaggie
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            FWIW, there are three accounts. The EA account, the Crysis multiplayer login, and the mycrysis forum acco... : Crabs Jarrard
            • "mycrisis" seems to be a very fitting account type :-D : Lukiopimp
      • I'm tagging this for future reference. : Dschinghis Khan
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        i love valve and i applaud what they are doing and i think they are a great company for advocating for co... : dahanese
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          That's making a big assumption. Valve does not have a problem with DLC bought from other stores. Dirt 3 h... : LoioshDwaggie
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            My supposition before is that the DLC is not compatible with the Steam version, much how EA releases patc... : LoioshDwaggie
            • Here we are. The version.txt file. Steam version: "1.0.1.0s" If you changed it to 1.0.1.0 it would le... : LoioshDwaggie
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          This would be a valid take if you could buy the DLC from the Origin store or if there was some way for al... : Crabs Jarrard
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            well thanks for the compliment - and again, i'm not advocating anyone's store. i haven't used Origin and ... : dahanese
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              I post above an example of exactly that: EA intentionally screwing over non-Origin/Retail customers. : LoioshDwaggie
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                i'm not sure exactly what you are pointing to. : dahanese
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                  http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=26391733#itemanchor_26391733 : LoioshDwaggie
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                    i honestly don't know enough of that backstory to know whether what you are saying is completely true. fr... : dahanese
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                      I posted a full summary below (a reply to your first in this thread) which includes the patch time frame.... : LoioshDwaggie
                      • i'll check this out later tonight when i have time - thanks for the link. again, i don't know the full st... : dahanese
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          The issue with your post however is steam does not require them to be the SOLE retailer for the DLC, they... : yehmuthah
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            sorry, i didn't mean they required exclusivity. they don't do that. i know they want to provide it and if... : dahanese
            • To me, it seems that they want to ensure that you're able to get the same experience on their platform as... : Rice-Rocketeer
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          Sorry, let me restart the issue at hand and the evidence: History: DA2 is pulled from Steam after rele : LoioshDwaggie
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            The Sims 3 and Dirt 3 are notable examples of conduct where DLC is offered outside of Steam and has been ... : MercFox1
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              What do you think about my hypothesis that this is a DLC must work on all versions? I'm trying to thin... : LoioshDwaggie
              • Not a damn clue. It's obvious this problem is much more complex than we anticipated, since EA has a bunch... : MercFox1
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      Yeah, in this particular case I'm not sure I support Valve or EA on this decision, however, I dislike EA ... : one random winner
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        I 100% Valve in this. If a policy like this means that you are guaranteed 100% DLC compatibility with ... : sigpro
        • If it's an issue with making sure that DLC works then I can't fault Valve for it, if it's a money grab fr... : one random winner
    • You can buy most games on Steam elsewhere. iOS apps can only be bought from the App Store unless you jai... : deject
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      To be fair. Apples change in terms only benifits them. Only Apple wins in that situation. In Valve... : Peanut Fox
      • Apple's change benefits customers too. It ensures secure payments, and provides a more consistent experie... : crummynz
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      AFAIK, Valve still let them the choice to sell their dlc out of the steam platform. They just require tha... : razlebol
      • on : razlebol
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      This is a valid point, assuming we understand the conflict. I love Steam and Valve, but _IF_ its a c... : yAak
      • I wish EA offered their "exclusive" DLC through Origin. That way I could have all my EA DLC in one place ... : Crabs Jarrard
      • According to the wording we've seen, it's not, it's just a case of Valve saying "You have to give them th... : AlexW1203
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    If they were literally making it up, don't you think Valve would come forward and say it's incorrect? : OverloadUT
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      Yah if this was all EA, I'm sure Valve would make a statement on this. But they have been very tight lip... : Shadowdane
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        Valve has nothing to gain by opening their mouths. The first rule of business/bootycalls/fight club is "D... : Crabs Jarrard
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          if someone lies about what your did and casts your new policy in a bad light in a way that is not truthfu... : dahanese
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            I would assume that Valve has had meetings with EA about resolving this and would very much like to offer... : Crabs Jarrard
            • i don't think anyone is entirely bad or good in this situation. it's just business. and their business ne... : dahanese
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            All ToS are "restrictive", so what is there to deny? EA has been pretty vague. They've only said the To... : yourGarbageMan
            • i think that's an illogical conclusion but i see it from the standpoint of a person who knows how secreti... : dahanese
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  Well, fuck yeah! I'm sick if the Bioware bucks too! I applaud Steam for standing up to this. Those MS poi... : Saldrin
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    I actually wonder if this does have anything to do wiht "points currency" instead of just real dollars. B... : ajvitaly
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      Bioshock 2 is grandfathered in because it was on steam before the new ToS. : sigpro
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        Apparently so was DA2. : saunders45
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          Isn't it about the new DLC that just got released. : razlebol
          • Minerva's Den came out only a few months ago for PC. When did this new TOS take effect? : pyide
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  why can't they just let their customers know by posting a notice on the steam page for the game saying, h... : dantastic
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    this does not seem to be accurate. The issue seems to be that DLC purchased elsewhere must work in the S : MamiyaOtaru
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      I can't see it simply being a case of "DLC purchased elsewhere must work in the Steam version of a game".... : Haxim
      • not if it was like the NFS patch http://www.shacknews.com/frame_chatty.x?id=26392042#itemanchor_26392042 ... : MamiyaOtaru
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    How can I get Valve goggles as a hat for Team Fortress 2? : ManiacalMoose
    • Well there's the Planeswalker Goggles that was a pre-order/1st week sales incentive for Magic: the Gather... : DedlokPM
• I bet it's that Steam is like: "You must also offer your DLC on Steam," and EA is like: "NUH-UH!!!" : Rice-Rocketeer
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  I don't get why Valve just doesn't set the record straight so we can quit with this already. : ashkie
  • I don't think anyone has bothered to ask. : Sailor of Fortune
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  EA is wants to control the accounts, so they can determine who has bought what DLC. They can identify th : Cottc Cid
  • Can't they just find that out when you register your DLC code you get, like I did with BC2? I have to log... : Durajim
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  so did this remove it from steam if you already bought it? : strandgeck
  • Nope. Like all (that I'm aware of) previous games that were once available but were removed either becaus... : RaptorII
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  I could not for the life of me figure out how to buy the Crysis 2 DLC. I spent an hour or two one night ... : grendel
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    It's hard to find because you have to buy it from Gamespy. I only know this from going through the same b... : Crabs Jarrard
    • hahaha so EA prefers GAMESPY to Steam? what a fucking joke. : grendel
• I was going to get this game eventually, but I can live without it. Plenty of shit to play. : daggertx
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  In favor of Valve, compare finding DLC for a steamworks game with finding the DLC for Mass Effect 2 and D... : Poor Yurik
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    Yeah, this is the same thing I was thinking. It's probably a Best Practices thing from Valve, if such a t... : geedeck
    • It's like XBL. Microsoft has rules about content delivery to ensure that it isn't the wild west for the c... : Crabs Jarrard
• I just love how EA says "We offer our games and content to all major download services including GameStop... : DedlokPM
• Well, as long as they release the GotY edition on Steam, I'll be happy. : Kubiac
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  The amount of people in the comments ass-licking Valve is amazing. : Hunter545
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    The amount of naive people who somehow still trust EA reminds me of battered wife syndrome. : AgentPothead
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      it's a company. stop anthropomorphizing it. : dahanese
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        If companies can get the same legal protections as a person, I am allowed to treat them like a person. : AgentPothead
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          For the past 20 years or more companies have been getting far greater legal protection than a person if w... : InfoBiter
          • That's just more reason for me to despise EA :/ : AgentPothead
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        Not going to lie, I had to google "anthropomorphizing". However I basically trust EA to do nothing righ : InfoBiter
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          This is the shit that really gets me, it's like nobody remembers the last 20 years of gaming? Or we are s... : AgentPothead
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            EA has a lot of quality games under it's belt if you only look at the surface.
            
            When you look a bit deeper, all of those quality games were already well into production before EA bought the company, and any following sequels tended to be completely different. Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age 2 are perfect examples of this. While the combat in ME2 was fun, it was about the only good thing in there. The "story" was terrible, there wasn't nearly as much background in the codex, and I won't even get started on Dragon Age 2.
            
            EA does not do good things for companies. They buy them out, squeeze them dry, and then sell off their remaining assets and drop them.

            Jul 28, 2011 5:06pm PDT
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            EA has a lot of quality games under it's belt if you only look at the surface. When you look a bit dee : DerHuhnTeufel
            • When you look a bit deeper, all of those quality games were already well into production before EA bought : AgentPothead
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              Exactly my fears as well. Also, this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2794-An-... : Ormsbee
              • Ah yes, that video. A great point with the worst spokesman ever. : DerHuhnTeufel
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        You must have hated reading Shakespeare in high school dahanese. It's pretty natural to describe things i... : thecatinthehat
        • You would say that. : mindmann
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        i like how battered wife syndrome is a new shack thing to compare stuff to. ive been seeing it a lot lat... : dantastic
        • It's literally a Nushack thing! : Sailor of Fortune
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        companies have personalities, if you define 'personality' as a set of predispositions to certain irration... : master_disaster_17
        • Yeah, I agree with this. The fact that it's a "company" doesn't exclude us from making hypotheses about w... : Rice-Rocketeer
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    I agree. Valve is very controlling and restrictive about who is allowed to use their service. Its their r... : Zero Hoki
    • Valve is very controlling and restrictive about who is allowed to use their service Do you have anything... : AgentPothead
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  Man Valve and Origin topics are starting to reach Sony vs MS, KB/Mouse vs Controller, Coke vs Pepsi level... : icon_of_syn
  • Atari vs Commodore! Amiga vs PC! Batman vs Superman! Human history is built on such conflicts. : Kub666
• Dragon Age: Origins DLCs are handled the same way or am I missing something? : Lukiopimp