Eminem Q3 Map!

Yo yo! Homeboysz!

ya heard? a wate yo dre'z kallin me bak two bed yo. he wantz it in da ass. lataz.

peze out yo,
Enema-m

When I was a kid I remember I loved a song by Enya called Caribbean Blue. When I bought the CD at the mall (for that one song), the cool sales people laughed at me on my way out.

That made me feel bad. :(

So basically in so many words, you said rap is in fact music to some people just not you because it is not a series of rythmic pleasing sounds to you, but if it is to others, than obviously i think that makes it music. I'm sure many find trance, house, or country or any other multitude of types of music displeasurable but that does not make them cease to be music.

levm
go ahead and fart in the face of all anon posters.
continue process until they choose a nick and register it.
that way it will be political music.

levm
congrats on passing your music appreciation class and trying to impress everyone here on the diferences between melody and rythm. unfortunately my education hasn't been as well rounded as yours so i still enjoy "some" rap and my mind is still open to the possibility that not all rappers will rap about guns and bitches (although i recognize that many do). since i havent taken the same music lessons as you i don't really bother to dissect songs, i just enjoy them if i do and don't if i don't.

children may stop reading books...due to rap...are you an idiot. i mean we know you can type and use big words but that stement ranks up there in stupidity with the argument that the games we play make us violent, school-shooting teenagers.

As long as you're quoting NWA how about
"you'd rather see me in the pen
than me and lorenzo
rollin in a benzo"

i know you only want to see all the negatives but fuck the police is an awesome early rap song that actually makes a social commentary.

btw congratulations on playing your two instruments, keep it up (no sarcasm) I'm working on learning the harmonica becuase i'm into blues right now (but that hasn't meant that i stopped apreciating rap and house and all the stuff i love) go ahead a post that musical dissertation.

Music is anything you want it to be.....

Peace, love, harmony.


-John Lennon

i never said bukowski and neruda were not educated, i meant to say that i could care less i enjoy what they write. my educational level is okay. i stopped caring about it after i graduated from college. i found grad school kind of boring but maybe i just chose the wrong field of studies.

levm...we'll have to agree to disagree on the "is rap music?" question. i love bukowski and neruda (poets) but not to sure about either's education levels.

CatTurd

guacamole rooles more than run-dmc could ever hope for...give it a try.

levm you are the man. i mean you can code switch at will and can speak to the masses and the elite. it seems that with every reply you can't help but make another stupid statement.

in the same way an undereducated, poet can be considered "talented"

so now you're telling us that in order to be a poet you can't be undereducated. poetry has nothing to do with education and maybe that's what is bothering you about rap. maybe you feel that these successful rappers/poets that don't have the benefit of your education have somehow cheated you out of your piece of the pie. would it make you feel any better if one of these rappers played some classical music just to show you he could do it? you seem to value education and learning but you have failed to realize that not all learning takes place in schools. there are always exceptions but i'm sure that if you were to look at a good rap producer or good rap or techno dj you would find that they have spent most of their life immersed in music. they have always loved it and have been exposed to different music. same way with poets. i don't need to be able to quote from great poets in the past to know when i've read a good poem and i don't need to understand iambic pantameter and the classic sonnet to write a good poem. (but i do agree that i would be a better poet if i did) you bother me, son. not because you're smart. i like that. you bother me because most of your arguments stink or eurocentrism. not everything of value comes out of the canon and you should have learned that in school by now but it is never to late.

I've gotta' agree with levm regarding his point on "artists." I read an article in the Miami Herald (so you might already know where this one's goin'... =) about some dumbass show on Miami Beach "honoring" and "celebrating" DJs (yes, that's DJs, as in DEE-JAYs or Disc Jockies =) as "musicians."

EXCUSE ME?! MUSICIANS??? !@#$%^&*(

My two cents: DJs are NOT - and I repeat - NOT musicians. They might very well be considered "artists" of a sort, but they are NOT musicians. A "musician" is typically regarded as someone who writes music and/or performs on a musical instrument. While some rappers have an excellent sense of rhythm - no doubt about that - anyone can be taught to program a drum machine and sync a bunch of samples in a recording studio.

Simple as that, imho.

i don't want to jump in and defend rappers and djs but you guys leave me no choice. Most djs are not musicians but you have to give respect where it's due and there are djs out there that will take two turntables and scratch and mix to the point where they create something completely new so in a way they are musicians. i'm only familiar with the invisible scratch picles (sp) but i know there are many scratching djs that are very competent. a good dj or a good rap producer is not something that everyone can be. i'm sure that it takes as much talent and dedication to be a good producer like dr. dre (yeah i know he's a fake gangster against napster) (hey a rhyme...i'ma poet and i know it) than to be good at playing a musical instrument. don't think that just because they are not playing instruments that you could do what they are doing.

levm
1. ok you are a musical deity
2. but that is exactly what you are doing to justify your statement that rap isnt music.
3. small words can be used just as well.
4. fuck the police came out years before the rodney king incident so in a way they talked about it years before someone got lucky with a camcorder and brought the mainstream's media into it.
5. how are tests scores and rap related. you're not sufggesting that rap brought down the test scores are you?
6. my music preferences at the moment: blues, drum and bass, hip hop.
7. i never said you were sophisticated.

sigh

if it was as easy as getting two turntables and slapping records on them and letting the machine do the work do you really believe anyone would care to watch or listen. your argument is like saying michael jordan just put a ball through a hoop.

lacker...

read my lips: DJs are NOT musicians.

...a type of "artist," perhaps; however, they are NOT musicians.

man... what the world is coming to. some day today's youth will be all grown up, and rather than go to a real concert or music performance, they'll get all dressed up to go watch some drooling wanker - who could never "get" the drums or guitar or sax or keys or whatever - play with a pile of records and a couple turntables...

sad...

well, i guess everyone has their own taste but let me say this about music in general: its definition may be altered but if we dont build on what we have established as base and not realize that somethings are reasonable wheras others arent, the musical artform as we know it today may not even exist in the future. This can be from things such as ludicrous ideas by rap "artists" to stop using tones and instead use beats. Plus, it usually isnt even the rappers that make the background of their "songs"....its more often than not, some musician or a recording. Obviously the definition of music should have some sort of border right? I think 284 has proved a good point and what about book closing? If i started marketing cds with books slamming as a form of "music"....would that alter the definition? Why is music a seperate category from everyday things and artforms you may ask? Well, this special class of art requires effort and ability to exist as music: passing gas is sound and some people may enjoy it immensley but how in the world does that become music? It cant....its simply wont because it is not music. Similary, slamming books or congress/senate debates (no matter how enjoyable) will not be considered as music, ever! If you want to argue this some more, i suggest you take back the obsurd comment, and i quote:
"...people find it enjoyable and it is melodious, wether you noticed the beat in the background or not."
I am not sure you are aware of this but your paltry, inconsequential intelect is falling off of its hinge so to speak because you so fatuously contradicted yourself in the same sentence(the worst thing to do when arguing with someone). Melody is not beats. A single note played a thousand times is not melody, even if it has a different timbre or volume. That is basicaly rythm....not melody but rythm. And to call something devilish like rap melodious, is to discredit and eschew the acctual sonancy of this slowly dwindling word. Any faltering argument of yours will do nothing to disprove mine, but nevertheless, i offer you to attempt to "argue" your pitiful points with a more substantial butress instead of the duct tape you are using to stick your stray words to one another.
Have a nice day.

PS- By the way, the chronic map is pretty cool indeed, i hate rocketjumping tho.

i dunno i'm kinda excited about the best of strom therman album that man can debate!

absolutely!