Report: Wii U uses last-gen Radeon GPU

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• how do you determine a generation for video cards? : RikiTiki2
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  R770 vs R520 is like day and night : RuskiSnajper
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    R520 is lowend of X1000 series RV770 is (high-end) of HD 4000 series, therefore in HD4800 ranks It'... : RuskiSnajper
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      might also be clocked low and have lower voltage going to it to help with consumption and heat. : vitek r
      • there are mobile versions of the part (i believe my imac has a mobile gpu based on the RV770), but there ... : qwpeoriu
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  It's supposedly an off-shoot of the juniper chip - i.e. 5770 and 5750. 5770 will be considered low end ha... : ajvitaly
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    I've heard it's more in the 4800 series performance wise. : Fred Garvin
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      A 5770 is about equal to a 4870. : ajvitaly
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        5xxx series is different in that it meets DX11 standards. : Fenring42
        • Basically, also seems to be more capable with multi-display tech, which is obviously useful in the Wii U ... : one random winner
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          and it won't use DX, so it doesn't matter in that regard. : aethyr
          • No, but if something is, say, DX11 compliant, it will have a feature set a DX10.1 card would not. It migh... : Fenring42
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  I don't understand why nintendo decided to use hardware comparable to the 360/PS3's 6 year old hardware f : Strid3rtheGreat
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    What are you talking about ... comparable ? : RuskiSnajper
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      A low-end RV770 isn't a huge improvement on the Xbox chip given what's available. Of course, a high-end R... : JarEme
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        Man ... what are you talking about ... there is no high-end or low end RV770 ... RV700 is the HD4000 fami... : RuskiSnajper
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          Dude, look at your own link. The RV770 is used in four cards with different numbers of stream processors ... : JarEme
          • These comparisons are impossible to make on the information we have at the moment frankly. : deject
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    i will be interested in knowing how much RAM this machine is going to have. if it has a significantly hi... : vitek r
    • Yah if it has 1-2GB of ram it would be a decent jump in visuals, especially texture detail. : Shadowdane
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      RAM is one of the higher cost components in the ps3/360 so I dont believe Nintendo (who never sell at a l... : apocreg
      • Given that it will be streaming a second screen it will probably have at least 768MB, now whether that's ... : one random winner
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  Regardless of which last-gen graphics card it has, what the fuck is nintendo doing? : GoldfishInAJarOfPickles
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    Something different. It worked with the DS & Wii, who knows what will happen this time though. : pyide
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      I do. I know. One controller per system? That's so anti-Nintendo that...that's something I'd expect S... : Ebu
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        It's not "one controller per system" just one U controller. Everyone else can use wii classic or wiimote/... : Me77111
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          latest we heard 2 controllers might possible. : disembodied potato
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            Well, it's not possible yet but they're looking into it (which, IMO, would be bare minimum). : one random winner
            • Unless they had two systems networked or were running off of a development PC the Ubisoft guys used 2 Wii... : Mommar
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    Essentially controlling a market with no competitors. : Wombat Woo
    • I pretty much agree with you, it'll be interesting to see if microsoft keeps supporting the kinect for th... : mad-d00d
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      I wonder whether people will fall for it a second time. I know an awful lot of people that rushed out to... : Baba Ghanoush
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        I know an awful lot of fat people that want their games played for them with little to no challenge. Man... : Pneum0
        • Fat + Stupid + Lazy + Has enough money to buy it = bought? : one random winner
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    last-gen and next-get are very confusing assertions you don't know about what anyways , GPUs , Console... : RuskiSnajper
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      It's not last-gen , because this gen didn't even evolved fully , which is HD6000 series, the last was HD5... : RuskiSnajper
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        "Based on" probably means massively undervolted to meet heat and power consumption requirements. : JarEme
        • I really don't know in what capacity "based on" would mean undervolted It's a custom mobile part, it's... : RuskiSnajper
        • That's no less of a silly assumption than what's he's been posting. Based on probably means it's got a di... : Conan
      • *Citation needed : Fred Garvin
  • "what are they doing?" Thats what people asked 4-5 years ago. They are makin fucking bank. Next questi... : rtrson
  • sucking cock and incorporating the most random stuff into a controller possible to distract people from t... : thebigbeefsandwich
  • making money hand over fist. : shirif
  • i was more referring to only one NEW controller per console >:-( : GoldfishInAJarOfPickles
  • Making games for people who don't normally play games and not caring about any of us : bozer
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  I don't understand. Wouldn't a superpowered HD4800 would run circles around the GeForce 7800 derived chip... : thecatinthehat
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    yes it should, but the CPU of the PS3 backs the GPU. but then agian we dont know the CPu of the Wii U : cloud8521
    • Likely a Tri-core from IBM, maybe quad. : one random winner
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    well verbatim yeah, but who knows what kind of system architecture it will have. the CELL is a powerful ... : vitek r
    • Power 7 of some sort, and multi-core. Other than that and "lots of ram", we don't know much. : Conan
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    ofcourse it will , WiiU will totally own both PS3 and 360 , wiiU GPU is ... let me measure, i'll report b... : RuskiSnajper
    • Man that really dates the chip the wiiU is using. That was 4 call of duties ago. Or 5 when the system com... : Strid3rtheGreat
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  PS3/360 hardware is already ancient. Reggie, you have failed me. : herradura99
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    unless you plan to make a new TV that is higher then HD then it will be fine : cloud8521
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      uhm.. ok? : cruncht1me
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        Seriously, lol to that. People are still willing to run 720p or lower to get better visuals at 30fps. W... : DinK
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          Is AA even worth it on consoles, at couch distance? Seems like more actual info (res) would be more usefu... : Marrbe
          • It's noticeable most of the time, at least for me. : Fenring42
          • A level or two of AA is often cheaper (GPU wise) than increasing res so that's often what developers do. : one random winner
          • Running Dirt 3 at 1080p with 8X FSAA looks wonderful... no jaggies at all. So yes it is worth it! : Shadowdane
    • lol : Milleh
    • wtf is this : Ride-My-Rocket
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    What are you talking about , are you totally not seeing my posts. : RuskiSnajper
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      you build custom pc's for a living ;) : moe6
      • He's an IT professional apparently. : Gwyndion
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  That's more than a "slight" improvement. Remember what's actually in the 360 and PS3. : Conan
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    Conan - there are so many asshats here, are they totally blind - ARE YOU SEEING WHAT AM I POSTING WiiU... : RuskiSnajper
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      The shack is really going down the tubes, rofl. : orgcaptainnemo
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        oh ... now for the stupid double post and a freaking lag .. meh bugs. ... i mean , im posting this fo... : RuskiSnajper
        • Who the fuck thakes tips from endgadget anyways , come on shack. : RuskiSnajper
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        "The shack is really going down the tubes, rofl." Its like a loony bin around here... lol. : rjklevels
        • Wasn't it always though? : Gwyndion
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      Holy shit. Dude, stop and think for three seconds. How big is the goddamn heatsink on a 4870? That keeps ... : JarEme
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        it's probably had a die shrink allowing better cooling : retarded talking dinosaur
        • It would be foolish not to run something based off of a 5770 instead of a 4870, it was cooler, quieter, l... : one random winner
      • I'm running a mobile 4870 in my laptop (granted, it's not clocked the same as a normal one), and it never... : jayacheess
    • Calm down there, man. Yes, it's misleading and honestly wrong, but until we know the exact specs you can'... : Conan
    • That's not really right. The Xenos is essentially an R600 card if anything. E.g. it has unified shaders e... : uncleanmonkey
    • Is this post for real or is it sarcasm? Either way it's hilarious : uglysad
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    Conan - I think im sorrounded by ignorants ... or they just don't click my posts.
    
    Again:
    
    WiiU WILL TOTALLY SMASH EVEN IF YOU HOOK UP BOTH PS3 AND 360 TOGETHER
    
    WiiU = RADEON HD4800
    360 = RADEON X1800/X1950
    
    
    I said it in the first post of mine, it's DAY VS NIGHT.
    
    "Engadget claims that this gives it a slight graphical edge over the PS3 and 360, which are similar to the NVIDIA G70 and R520 "
    
    THIS ABOVE STATEMENT is TOTALLY misleading, ENDGADGET is OUT OF MIND.

    Jun 14, 2011 4:48pm PDT
    Conan - I think im sorrounded by ignorants ... or they just don't click my posts. Again: WiiU WILL... : RuskiSnajper
• I'm not sure i'll be buying the Wii U. I don't even have my Wii plugged in anymore and it rarely got use... : burning eye
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  Report: Shacknews' misleading headlines get noobs' panties in a bunch : jacobvandy
  • noooooooooobs : RikiTiki2
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  R770 huh? I personally use an ATi Radeon 4870 by Sapphire. The heatsink isn't THAT large and it runs all ... : Dragzeela
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    Ram isn't overkill when you realize they have twice as many video outputs to deal with. : Conan
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      yup I'd expect it to have 1+GB, maybe 1GB dedicated video ram, 512mb system memory? : Shadowdane
      • I would hope for at least the latter, we shall see. : one random winner
  • RAM is never overkill in a console. Developers slurp up RAM like the sweetest ejaculate from the most de... : vitek r
  • it needs as much as nintendo can afford to put in it. theres no max. : chilln
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    So, you run Crysis 2 at full detail at a high resolution on your 4870? That's funny, because I have the s... : Fred Garvin
    • It can do Crysis 2 maxed at 720p, though. : Crabs Jarrard
    • I got 30+ fps at 1920x1200 on a 4850 once I used the custom config utility to turn off AA. Then I got ri... : SpaecKow
    • I can run Crysis 2 on ultra max + some extra settings in the config at 1920x1080 without vsync. I'm not s... : Dragzeela
  • it's probably not actually those same chips, it's probably had a die shrink. 4870 was 55nm, 6970 is 40nm.... : retarded talking dinosaur
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  Have to remember this thing is still one year out as well. It will be a two generation old GPU by this t... : cetra00
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    It's already two solid generations behind. Southern Islands will hit Q3-Q4 2011. So whenever Wii U is goi... : Alastayr
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      How old was 360 hardware when the 360 came out? : GloriousCow
      • That's a hard question to answer I think, at the time the 360 launched i don't believe any desktop gpu's ... : qwpeoriu
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        It was brand spanking new. ATi's R520-based cards came out Oct 2005 and the Xbox 360, which had an in man... : Alastayr
        • cool, thanks : GloriousCow
        • Performance wise it was about equal to the R580 while maintaining lower thermals and power draw due to th... : one random winner
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        Both times the Xbox has come out with a slightly more advanced GPU than what was available on the PC. Bot... : Pettytheft
        • Yeah, we'll probably see the HD 7000 (or maybe 8000 by then?) in the next Xbox, though I really don't kno... : one random winner
        • Well, more advanced in some ways. The unified shader stuff that later got integrated into R600. But that ... : Conan
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  "Shacknews has contacted Nintendo and will update as more information becomes available." Great, Shack... : Jayrossss
  • God forbid they make a call that may elicit some information. It's called journalism. : ShekkyBoy
• It'll probably be a die-shrunk custom variant of the HD 4830 512MB as that's neither using expensive GDDR... : Alastayr
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  WAIT, PS3 AND 360 ARE LAST GEN?! : nevlos
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    Actually, last, last, last gen. : Opticom
    • Actually, last, last, last, last, last gen. : Alastayr
  • order of magnitude behind pc in RAW POWER. at least. : xxx2xxx
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    my head is going to explode , the journalists have no idea, and people commenting even less 360= LAST... : RuskiSnajper
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      WiiU: Day 360: Night : RuskiSnajper
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        The Shack's Title is misleading , as well as Engadget is a bad bad source to start with : RuskiSnajper
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          WiiU: Elephant 360: Fox : RuskiSnajper
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            CURRENT GEN OF ATI GPUS: RADEON HD 6000 SERIES - NORTHEN ISLANDS - 40nm rehaul (nvidia terminator) L... : RuskiSnajper
            • whoops i forgot to finish :P : RuskiSnajper
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              Okay continued here ... click this ! Current gen already explained in above post ( HD 6000 series, >>N... : RuskiSnajper
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                Okay continued here ... click this ! Current gen already explained in above post ( HD 6000 series, >>N... : RuskiSnajper
                • Are you having a stroke or something? : Gwyndion
                • lol : umegastar
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                  You need more capital letters to win an argument on shacknews. : thecatinthehat
                  • more elipses too. Having said that, he looks crazy enough as it is. : moshman
                • Wh0a. C h i l l. We get it. The Smellx sucks. : Fenring42
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                  http://www.blackjackapprenticeship.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/rain-man-full-1.jpg : ryuuseki
                  • http://www.digitalmediatree.com/library/image/12/beautiful_mind_3.JPG : zakazi
                • I kinda feel bad that you put in all this effort and the thread will expire in a few hours : sonicdeathwalrus
                • You're weird, dude. : atom519
                • Ill-conceived but informative. : jayacheess
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                  These posts totally remind me of my posts about 10 years ago, the layout, the caps, the passion in trying... : abrasion
                  • Are you going all Fight Club on us? : zakazi
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                  Nah dude, Nintendo will get overlooked once the new XBOX/Playstation hardware leaves nintendo in the midd... : Chipwarrior
                  • Even if they used the same hardware they'd probably be more competitive on the TV unless they both start ... : one random winner
                  • that is 3 years away : RuskiSnajper
                • You're totally wrong about all that, dude. Totally wrong. : dumb.
                • Dude. Seek medical attention. : dpgagnon
                • I think they sell pills to fix this : avatar_58
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                  * * A S P E R G E R ' D * * : eeeealmo
                  • hahahahaha : askedrelic
                • http://www.timecube.com/ : podung
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                  WiiU I'mma let you finish, but the XBOX360 was the best gaming system of ALL TIME. : menar003
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                    manar003, I'mma let you finish, but you're wrong. : one random winner
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                      That would be the PS2/Game Boy : MercFox1
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                        I would also have accepted SNES. : one random winner
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                          Yeah I was thinking of that one too. : MercFox1
                          • I'm going to say NES since it was so incredibly dominant in its time and founded so many franchises that ... : tigeN
                • That's what the WTF tag was made for. : RageQuit
                • He builds custom PC's for a living ;) : moe6
                • Wtf is going on here : shred.
                • Seven did you make a new account? : twifosp
                • LOL? I'm scared : RikiTiki2
                • WiiU will use like pre-last gen at release so you try to clear it up and go and say that. and also sa... : Downforce
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                  this is the post of a crazy person. : sKetchflow
                  • I AM A VIDEO GAME HARDWARE PROFESSIONAL : askedrelic
                • I feel so enlightened now : sparkly
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                  never forget http://www.shacknews.com/article/68431/xbl-indie-devs-can-control?id=25879070 : boring gegtik
                  • i knew i remembered crazy coming from this guy before. excellent. : eeeealmo
                  • hahah thank you nuShack for bringing this glorious comment to my attention : askedrelic
                  • OHHH this is the smellx mircoshit 360 guy? Makes more sense now! : dpgagnon
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                    Ah had a quick laugh out , anyways, im serious while being serious , that indie's have no release contro... : RuskiSnajper
                    • As far as I'm concerned, you have a home for life here! : Chipwarrior
                  • Hahahaha, holy shit. So this guy has a history of mental illness? Good to know. : thetangent
                • YES, a new RuskiSnajper post! My life has meaning again! : repeat2k
                • I have no idea what's going on here. : thetangent
                • Never change, Ruski Snajper. Never start taking your meds. : master_disaster_17
                • snajpe j00 : tigeN
                • What the fuck is this shit : DrWaffles
                • If you and valcan_s touch the universe is going to have a localized explosion in a 10^12 LY radius. : Sailor of Fortune
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                What's going on here? : Mr. Goodwrench
                • ulillillia finally gave up on proving that bubsy 3d was the greatest game ever made : deathofrats
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            We're getting closer to solving this riddle! : Malku
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              hahahaha this made me laugh : xxx2xxx
              • my pleasure : RuskiSnajper
          • The first part of the thread just didn't get it ! WiiU: Shark 360: Tuna : RuskiSnajper
• Colour me unimpressed.... and unsurprised : apocreg
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  Gotta love consoles. New generation already obsolete. : Unkei
  • That word doesn't mean what you think it does. : HockeyJohnston
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  This site confuses the shit out of me sometimes. Lots of people claim graphics do not matter and that old... : Evil Benius
  • I love love love good graphics. Delicious, can't get enough! That said, there are plenty of games which ... : Chipwarrior
  • I agree, this system sounds plenty powerful enough for me. I just hope that they get the games this time ... : Zek
• It might not vastly outpace them, but the viaode and system memory should make quite a big difference IMO... : node
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  perhaps Nintendo is moving to a model of less expensive hardware that's updated more frequently? : fatman
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    I think the ideal situtation for Nintendo would be to release something more powerful than 360/PS3 but le : aethyr
    • Yes it is, it's already light years more powerful than what $ony and M$ have. : RuskiSnajper
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  Now you're playing with MAXIMUM POWER. : oO SilentK Oo
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    I hope WiiU will have Crysis ! : RuskiSnajper
    • re-release shouldn't be off the list, it could prove good , like a Crytek Nintendo Pack - Crysis ; Warhea... : RuskiSnajper
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  I just want to make one thing clear to developers... Graphics don't make the game, I'll take game play qu... : bnajbert
  • true. : RuskiSnajper