3dfx On Nvidia

A side note, hey, if anyone has bought nvidia and made money (plenty have), good for you.

If you were a chip manufacturer, would you want to be compared to Intel right now? Would you want to buy nvidia at 110 per share? Do you honestly think that price will hold? Have you thought past just running your mouth off like an adolescent child? Unless you are one...

even if i considered ever buying 3dfx now i won't, cause they started this whole thing and i find it disgusting

let us do the bashing of the cards we don't like, not bash the other manufacturer who came out before you with a chipset which can compete with your card while your card is not even out yet, as i see it, this is a plot to try to convince the ppl to wait for 3dfx's card, and the only way 3dfx can do this is to say things which may or may not be true, we only will know when the cards are in store, ohh i should not write rants while i'm half a sleep, but maybe somebody will understand what i'm saying here

jeeze. the benchmarks im doing should be done before the week is up. ill provide detail on the desktop resolution etc and use the fastest available drivers as well as overclock cards a little bit.

oh yeah, hustlah is right about those benchmarks. they are using highquality settings so the stuff reverend said doesnt apply.

Bah. The last set of WHQ certified drivers I used were from 3dfx. Took the unstable pieces of crap off my system after a day of problems. Thanks, but no thanks. I'll use the drivers that are actually the most stable and fast on my system not the ones I'm told to use because I'm supposed to be Microsoft's bitch.

I have nothing better to do than post on here.

Boogieman

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I'm getting a little pissed off by these 3dfx dudes and their dumb 'flaming' comments.

1. Show us your fucking product.
2. Talk shit.

fucking assholes.

Oh yea, and if you're buying a new card, I don't think you'll be as happy as you could be if you just go for raw benchmarks. Eventually performance will tabletop until some new tech rolls around. Features will become the deciding factor. Just look at the Voodoo2. Yes, it sold tons, but a lot of people were unhappy with the fact that it didn't have 2D and therefor took up an extra slot. THAT and 32-bit color along with comparable performance is what got people looking at NVidia more seriously, and then then TNT2U converted a lot of people. Look at that Radeon... sure, it's gonna perform nice in the basic stuff, like OpenGL and Direct3D. It'll put out GREAT numbers. But it's also got features going for it.

If I had the money right now, I'd be waiting for the V5-5500 to hit the stores. Proven FSAA, great performance, 16 and 32 bit 3D, reasonably low price. All I want is there.

Boogieman

Fastest = better? maybe. A health mix of quality thrown in is always important which rears the whole ugly issue of whether the dramatic hit of FSAA is worth it. If you look at non FSAA i think NVIDIA has the crown for quality, FSAA compared, well maybe its head and head with an edge to 3dfx (this from an admitted NVIDIA Fanboy). The thing is if you aren't going to play with FSAA in games where fps really counts (i.e. 3d fps) who cares who wins at FSAA. One strong point of NVIDIA cards is their drivers depth and support of multiple platforms.

The V5 5500 looks like a worth competitor, but definetly not one that out performs the other cards out there like they did with the voodoo1.

I just keep remembering that 3dfx wasn't really excited about V5. I've seen a few interviews with 3dfx, and them saying V5 was just to fill the time until Rampage.

I hope it's everything they say.

these companies would be better off concentrating on their products rather than flaming each other....c'mon, grow up already

BTW - the price/performance issue is important, not just release date/performance or chips/performance or ram/performance or whatever you guys wanna start comparing. As of now, the GeForce1 DDR ($320) costs more than the V5-5500 ($299) is slated to cost, and it's supposedly as good as a GF2 GTS, even sometimes better than the GF2 GTS in the higher resolutions. The V5-6000 will probably be the best card out there when it's released, but I bet all you people out there saying "I'm getting whatever is the bestest 'cuz it's the bestest!" won't whip out $600 from your wallet for it.

Oh man am I gonna get flamex0red.

Boogieman

I'm finally back. I had to take a trip to Michigan, tons of fun.

Anyway-like any of you care.

3dfx needs to ship a product, and get the next (Rampage) out before Christmas. No more of this delay shit. GIgapixel tech needs to be implemented, and implemented well.

I can agree with NVIDIA being the better company. It is true that their chips are performing better, even if only slightly.

ATi has some serious potential, and I will not rule them out in this market.

Keep in mind that in the video-card market, things can turn around overnight. NVIDIA is the best now, tomorrow it could be 3dfx or ATi.

(but my 3dfx stock is not inspiring confidence at the moment)

One more thing, I don't think any of you know 3dfx's current financial status. Anyone can guess that it can't be good, seeing their latest products. But, there is more to the story, and there are some facts you aren't considering.

Even if Voodoo5 doesn't do well, 3dfx will stick around for at least two more product cycles. They are already in production. If those don't do well, then you can talk.

Im sorry if I mis-spelled anything or if my statements weren't coherent. Im half asleep right now, and my head is throbbing.

One can't divorce a company from its products. NVIDIA is clearly a better company from an investment standpoint. It has STRATEGIC alliances with Microsoft and the api, being integrated into the xbox, support from the likes of SGI, major oem wins.

I have made 11,500 on Nvidia since March through buying and selling it from the dip to 80 and the dip to 92. They have orchestrated the releases and the partnerships in a sound model. 3dfx strayed from this kind of model, and has payed the price.

Both companies have done "bad". Even remotely siding with one company is kinda of stupid. Remarks like "Oh, and Brian Burke makes me not want a 3dfx card" or "NVidia charges too much" are really pointless. We should shut up. They should shut up.

Boogieman

Steve this mini-article is expanding. Time to make it one of the headlines! :)

How about Mr. Burke stops sending out flame e-mails and fixes the Voodoo5, and the nVidia bitch starts work on some new drivers instead of insulting a rival company?

That was of course a rhetorical question...

DDR GeForce, assumedly.

Something true to be added is that there is supposed to be another release of the GTS that uses some new kind of RAM technology. It is supposed to address their bandwidth issues. It might be marketed with the "Ultra" moniker. These may be out between July and September. If it does _significantly_ address the bandwidth issues nvidia has, it would help nvidia out.

3dfx is a freaking joke. I agree that nvidia should not slam it's competition, but 3dfx is just pathetic. They've hyped their glorious VSA-100 cards since *November* of last year, some seven months ago, and they STILL have nothing on the shelves! Why don't you put your money where your mouth is Burke, instead of making you and your company look childish? Actions speak a thousand times louder than words. 3dfx might gain a few gamer's respect back if they posted legit benchmarks instead of this lame "response." That is of course, assuming nvidia doesn't spank the wonderful VSA-100 line as it probably will.

I still wanna hear an Nvidia fanboy explain why a GeForce2 with over 3 times the fillrate only runs about 15% faster than a plain GeForce DDR.

How can it be claimed as fillrate if it's only theoretically possible?

There's your fucking joke.

So with the advantage of a full product cycle, nvidia has given us? Anyone? 10% performance increase. Maybe 15% after "leaked" driver revisions. Plus a significantly higher price tag.