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• my Skyrim is so stiff right now : Hemtroll
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  GAF has a thread going with some new info for those in the dark: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.p... : pyide
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    Reading that, it just doesn't sound much like a TES game, which I find sad. : Fenring42
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      how do you figure? : Hemtroll
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        No classes, less skills, perks, I'm assuming no stats where you place tokens like in Morrowind and Oblivi... : Fenring42
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          I was never a fan of the levelling system in Elder Scrolls because the only thing it really did was provi... : Hemtroll
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            I liked committing to a build and working to make my character the best X s/he could be. The customizatio... : Fenring42
            • I just don't like the locked in formula where you got the best possible character by only picking skills ... : Hemtroll
        • I don't know I personally am liking this direction and I've always got the feeling that they always wante... : ServiusOrtus
        • Classes were more-or-less optional in previous Elder Scrolls games anyway. You had to prioritize your sk... : Arcanum
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    "Level-scaling: It is coming back" WTF :-( : alexvj
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      I only saw info about scaling of your own abilities. I didn't see anything about scaling of the monsters. : Dr_Cube
      • This part seems to describe scaled monsters, i bet the loot will be scaled too :( "Radiant storytellin... : alphablu
      • I imagine it's a more refined form of the scaling from Oblivion, including enemies : Hemtroll
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        Look up further, about "Radiant Storytelling": "The game will... designate opponents that are appropri... : alexvj
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          There were basically three big problems with scaling in Oblivion. 1a) "Scaling" basically meant givin... : Arcanum
          • 1a and 2 are exactly my beefs with F3's implementation. : biskits
    • That fucking blows. : Edges
    • Seriously, FFFFUUUUUUUU : alphablu
    • Cancel the preorders! : shirif
    • Then I guess we'll just have to mod it out. : The Grolar Bear
    • yup, pre-order canceled : JuffoWup
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      It's probably along the lines of Fallout, which works fine. New areas are scaled to your level. Old are... : kingdepork
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        F3's scaling is broken, too: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=24941513#itemanchor_24941513 : biskits
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          You're almost entirely wrong in that post. Yes, you encounter bigger, badder version of enemies, but you... : Arcanum
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            i had two points there: i don't recall being harangued by weaklings late in the game, though you do, but : biskits
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              You may not have encountered much in the way of weak enemies because you mostly fast traveled to mission ... : Arcanum
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                It's funny we're arguing in this subthread while I feel your complaints about Oblivion in the subthread a... : biskits
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                  I thought they did an admirable job correcting most of the flaws in Fallout 3. : Arcanum
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                    i was so disappointed with the lack of perceived growth in F3 that i quit playing about 80% of the way th... : biskits
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                      I hope you weren't just following along the main story line. If so, you missed the best and vast majorit... : Arcanum
                      • no, i finished everything. : biskits
                    • Did you bother to explore the world much? Initially, there were areas that were impossibly hard, and by t... : noxiousgg
      • Even in new areas in Fallout 3 the levels were only scaled within a particular range. There were definit... : Arcanum
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        http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php?/topic/1156332-is-level-scaling-backnoooooooooooo/page__st__40__p__1... : pyide
        • god damn it. : biskits
    • damn. well, never mind that idea. : biskits
    • am I the only one that doesn't care about this? I'm sure it will be improved a great bit and "so what" i... : Druuge
    • gahey : skryte
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    I'm glad they took out mysticism. I assume this means they'll have a more sane way of recharging enchante... : DeBurgo
    • Yeah, it was really annoying, even with the soul gem that is infinitely usable. : pyide
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      Skyrim: powered by Enchantment! : Hemtroll
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        Enchantment? : SolrFlare
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          Enchantment! : Clay
          • Best subthread ever! : invisible_kid
  • -Hud-free first-person view and improved third-person perspective Hud free caught my interest : the_burd
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  Looks good. Still not sure about the norse/Nord theme but I can't wait to see some gameplay which I assum... : Dr_Cube
  • I think this year and this game in particular is going to make me upgrade my PC and I am absolutely OK wi... : Hemtroll
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    Game looks fine. It's not going to beat RAGE for "pertiest game o the year" but definitely solid enough. ... : locater16
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      I trust them on gameplay. I trust them on story. I trust them on graphics, lighting, and art style. The O... : Dr_Cube
      • Quote says animation is fine too. Nice looking, move well, etc. No more hanky janky stuff. : locater16
  • Also, I think I may actually play this primarily in third person with the occasional switch to first for ... : Dr_Cube
  • One of the cooler areas in Oblivion was the mountain temple. I spent a while trying to climb those huge m... : Beady
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  Its HOT, I swear the models of the characters and mobs are tessellated, they look way to detailed for nor... : valcan_s
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    where are you seeing this? : mankeroo
    • There's scans kicking around. Can't link 'em here, we don't want to get sued! : Dave-A
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      maybe he has the magazine? : Hemtroll
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        What is a magazine? : shirif
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          I think it's like an ipad but made out of wood : Hemtroll
          • ^^ inf : Johnny Law
          • ^^ unf : theamazingrand0
          • lol'ed : funnynamehere
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      You can google it in about 2 seconds. : Visceral Monkey
      • Holy sheeet : Xencer
    • search on reddit, they're easy to find. : ErikTehRed
• need to see it in motion and in HD, not some blurry scans or whatever : grendel
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  can't wait for some Oblivion-size front page threads! : devpaul
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    anyone have any links to these preserved? I wasn't here back then but I'd still like to see some : Hemtroll
    • Here's one! http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?story=41411 : Arcanum
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  Looks pretty fucking good to me. : Sexpansion Pack
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    Let me guess, you'll buy it and play it for a few hours and return it because you couldn't get into it? L... : Dave-A
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      Wha? I am a total Elder Scrolls freak. I've put so many hours into Morrowind and Oblivion it's not even f... : Sexpansion Pack
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        ^^^ Never played Arena or Daggerfall : someWayne
        • Nonsense, I played them both, many times. : Sexpansion Pack
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  Well it's certainly the prettiest game they've made but the gameplay sounds like taking oblivion further ... : SpaecKow
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    It's Bethesda. Don't be too worried. : nwillard
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      People said this about Civ 5. "It's Firaxis, don't be worried." I'm worried about everything. I'm not goi... : locater16
      • They broke it in Oblivion with experimentation, fixed it with Fallout 3. They make a stumble with most g... : kingdepork
      • Yeah and Civ V is a good game. : Wisp!
    • I'm not worried at all, I have very little interest in the ES games now. As long as Fallouts stay decent ... : SpaecKow
• while i am certainly interested in this game, i hold my excitement until after i see this game in motion.... : theWhite
• on my face, plz : lonepie
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  I suspect that they'll continue the trend of making better games each time as they have in the past. T... : Vincent Grayson
  • yes please! Climbing walls and stuff would be great for rogue-like characters : Hemtroll
  • Damn it! I want this now. But it won't happen. : Earl Greigh
  • Those would require animations. : Beady
  • please do not talk about things that are awesome and will never happen :( : pyide
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    Daggerfall had it. Each game in the series has been worse than the one before it. Arena->Daggerfall m... : Ebu
    • No way, each game has improved in leaps and bounds. Yes, Daggerfall had a lot of stuff, but it was a bugg... : Vincent Grayson
    • morrowind was worse than arena, got it : kill9
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      I only started playing Elder Scrolls games with Morrowind. I absolutely loved it. Oblivion was my second ... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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        They went from 21 to 18 skills. Oblivion had closely related skills like athleticism and acrobatics that... : kill9
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          There is no "unarmed" in Oblivion. Only hand-to-hand. If they drop Mysticism and combine Athleticism an... : Arcanum
          • Oh hmm, must have been in Morrowind then. In that case, combine speechcraft with mercantile. I think th... : kill9
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          Fair enough, I can live with that, I suppose. I just enojy complexity in games like that. : Robotic Puppy Eater
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            Morrowind especially had some skills that were either redundant or just gimped. Medium Armor, I'm lookin... : Arcanum
            • Also spear, lol : kill9
      • I dunno sounds like they're adding stuff, too, though. from the neogaf link: "Town visiting: You may d... : DeBurgo
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    bring back levitate! : the_burd
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      Yeah we better be able to levitate. : Robotic Puppy Eater
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        No chance in hell. Creates way too many game-breaking scenarios : kill9
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          I don't see what the problem would be. Morrowind had levitation and it didn't hurt the game. It's suppose... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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            Off the top of my head, it completely breaks melee combat. It makes getting to certain areas more trivia... : Arcanum
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              Well they'll have to learn to adapt, then. Levitation was a very important skill in Morrowind, especially... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mjgtpMKhIE As far as them telling you where you can and can't go, all ... : kill9
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                  Yep, you can only "adapt" so much without resorting to horribly contrived crap. Invisible walls, amazing : Arcanum
                  • Yeah, people are claiming cities will probably not be zoned this time, but without advances in the consol... : kill9
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                    Well I don't really think the way they handled cities in Oblivion was very good. Once modders started wor... : Robotic Puppy Eater
                    • It's not going to happen because you are in the extreme minority here with that being an important featur... : kill9
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                  Yeah, you can do this if you plan it out in advance and know what you're doing. Super Mario World was a h... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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                    That is just one extreme example. Flying has never really made sense in Elder Scrolls games : kill9
                    • Tell that to the Telvanni. The mushroom houses and the little floating rock in Vivec wouldn't have been a... : Robotic Puppy Eater
  • Wonderful idea. The next Splinter Cell needs to do this too. : Dr_Cube
  • still waiting for a game with climbing thats actually fun thats right ASSCREED : bolneze
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  Calm yourself, you've got 11 months yet. : papaskot
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    "but it's my money and I want it now!" : devpaul
    • If that's how it works I'd gladly buy it now. : papaskot
• Colour me disappointed. The Dragons aren't even dragons, they are wyrms. I shall enjoy slaying these f... : Beady
• I hope they actually build a world this time, and not just ctl-v everything : crazywigga
• Engine taste test : Two Worlds 2 & Gothic 4 ** Is Skyrim DX11 ? ** PC MAX settings Well for those that... : valcan_s
• Oh look, the facial animations actually work and the NPC's don't look like lifeless robots. Yay! : jingletard
• Just saw some scans. Wow, the NPCs doesn't look freakish anymore. : Vegtro
• I hope they use some of the Oblivion voice actors just for laughs. : The Wilhelm Scream
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  screenshots? http://i.imgur.com/Zynr8.jpg : burning eye
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    http://i.imgur.com/tyGdQ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/TXVob.jpg http://i.imgur.com/4M3Mr.jpg http://i.imgu... : burning eye
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      Fuck, im sorry. I know this isn't allowed. Wasn't thinking. : burning eye
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        Honestly it's up everywhere, anyone with google can see this. It's like the Bethesda PR people haven't he... : locater16
        • I'm certain the Bethesda PR people don't give a shit, it's free publicity for the people who *don't* subs... : Vincent Grayson
    • No penis or balls on that yeti. Disappointing. : lightly inclined
    • I kind of wish people would wait for direct feed shots and videos before proclaiming how good/bad a game ... : DeBurgo
• DovahKiin DovaKiin : Anir
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  Looking at the pictures, it strikes me once again what makes Bethesda's games stand out: There are very, : Arcanum
  • until someone opens their mouth : twifosp
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  Just give me the mod tools bethesda, and no one will get hurt. : Hemotoxin
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    Prediction: Bethesda will make indeterminate statements about the release of mod tools. Doomsayers will... : Arcanum
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      haha yup. Happens every time. : beanman101283
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        Didn't it happen only for Fallout 3? : razlebol
        • I'm pretty sure it happened with Oblivion as well. : Arcanum
        • And for New Vegas : beanman101283
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      Oh I doubt they WON'T release them. I just want them to be more of a priority. GECK for Fallout 3 and NV ... : Hemotoxin
      • FNV released the GECK on day 1, dude. : jason bergman
• Most games, if I know I'm interested in them, I don't really follow the pre-release hype. I already know ... : beanman101283
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  I thought they would be using id's Rage engine....any word if it's a brand new engine or a re-tooled Game... : Overbyte
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    It has been stated many, many times they weren't going to use Rage. It's a new engine of their own. : Arcanum
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      I know they've said it's all new, but this comment really worries me: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpos... : pyide
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        The graphics engine is the biggest problem. : Arcanum
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          The animation is the biggest problem. : Vegtro
          • Oh yeah, how could anyone forget that. People always said the animations sucked because of engine limitat... : pyide
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          For me personally, it's the smallest problem. Even though I don't like the way a game like Fallout 3 rend... : pyide
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            azuvatar summed it up perfectly when he said something like "(the engine) feels like I'm moving on graph ... : pyide
            • source! http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23920673 : pyide
    • News to me! : Overbyte
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  after that neogaf thread... i've lost interest. tes is dead to me : harold.johnson
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    you'll be back! : pyide
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      no, i doubt i will. the leveled content killed it for me in oblivion. they're doing some neat sounding... : harold.johnson
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        If it's that bad there will be mods that do the opposite, like there was in Oblivion. They've already sai... : pyide
        • well, fallout 3 pissed me off more then oblivion... *holds his copies of morrowind and weeps softly into... : harold.johnson
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          After playing Oblviion I realized that I don't like levelled content. In fact, I hate it. I loved Fallout... : Dr_Cube
          • Jesus christ yes. Exactly. : biskits
          • yeah totally. the traditional RPG method works better. : skryte
          • Completely agree. : ROCKETR
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        Just slide the difficulty slider all the way down and explore world/storyline as casually as you like. : alexvj
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          that isn't what i would want. in morrowind, you could walk into places that would absolutely kick your a... : harold.johnson
          • Yea, well, good luck with that. I highly doubt that you'd get anything nearly as deep and as immersing wi... : alexvj
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        They never mentioned levelled content. But I don't care if you read this. People going off a single misin... : locater16
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          actually it does mention it, and given the track record of their last two games, i see no reason to disbe... : harold.johnson
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            just to make it easier for you, here is the copy/pasted quote: Level-scaling: It is coming back : harold.johnson
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              Hi, you don't have the magazine. There's no quote like that in there. In fact here's a quote from the developers:
              
              Since people are asking, wanted to briefly touch on level scaling. All our games have had some amount of randomness/levelling based on player level. Skyrim's is similar to Fallout 3's, not Oblivion's.
              
              Hope that addresses some concerns, and we hope you're enjoying the GI cover story.
              
              Have a great night
              
              Yay I win undeniably in an internet argument. I'm retarded!

              Jan 07, 2011 11:04pm PST
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              Hi, you don't have the magazine. There's no quote like that in there. In fact here's a quote from the dev : locater16
              • maybe reading comprehension is way off here, but that sounds exactly like leveled content. which i liked... : harold.johnson
              • "they never mentioned leveled content" but yet you just quoted a bethesda developer talking about leveled... : kill9
        • http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php?/topic/1156332-is-level-scaling-backnoooooooooooo/page__st__40__p__1 : pyide
  • Alright, thanks for stopping by! : Hemtroll
• On leveling: Totally revamped, no more class selection at the start of the game, every skill you level c : ballystix
• I hope Carmack has the right to take a look at their new engine and give tips on how to improve it. They ... : razlebol
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  Let's say I only played Oblivion to the first Oblivion gate. If I wanted to boot it up again, are there a... : at0micgarden
  • You should probably just download Nehirim (even though it has nothing to do with the original game at all... : kill9
• I'm extremely excited. This game is the one thing that could get me to build a new gaming PC next year. ... : DinK
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  I wish we can see some screenshots. : DM7
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    http://i.imgur.com/Zynr8.jpg : Trips
    • I forgot the internet was real and forgot I could search for them. ;D : DM7