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• my Skyrim is so stiff right now : Hemtroll
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  GAF has a thread going with some new info for those in the dark: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.p... : pyide
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    Reading that, it just doesn't sound much like a TES game, which I find sad. : Fenring42
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      how do you figure? : Hemtroll
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        No classes, less skills, perks, I'm assuming no stats where you place tokens like in Morrowind and Oblivi... : Fenring42
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          I was never a fan of the levelling system in Elder Scrolls because the only thing it really did was provi... : Hemtroll
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            I liked committing to a build and working to make my character the best X s/he could be. The customizatio... : Fenring42
            • I just don't like the locked in formula where you got the best possible character by only picking skills ... : Hemtroll
        • I don't know I personally am liking this direction and I've always got the feeling that they always wante... : ServiusOrtus
        • Classes were more-or-less optional in previous Elder Scrolls games anyway. You had to prioritize your sk... : Arcanum
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    "Level-scaling: It is coming back" WTF :-( : alexvj
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      I only saw info about scaling of your own abilities. I didn't see anything about scaling of the monsters. : Dr_Cube
      • This part seems to describe scaled monsters, i bet the loot will be scaled too :( "Radiant storytellin... : alphablu
      • I imagine it's a more refined form of the scaling from Oblivion, including enemies : Hemtroll
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        Look up further, about "Radiant Storytelling": "The game will... designate opponents that are appropri... : alexvj
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          There were basically three big problems with scaling in Oblivion. 1a) "Scaling" basically meant givin... : Arcanum
          • 1a and 2 are exactly my beefs with F3's implementation. : biskits
    • That fucking blows. : Edges
    • Seriously, FFFFUUUUUUUU : alphablu
    • Cancel the preorders! : shirif
    • Then I guess we'll just have to mod it out. : The Grolar Bear
    • yup, pre-order canceled : JuffoWup
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      It's probably along the lines of Fallout, which works fine. New areas are scaled to your level. Old are... : kingdepork
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        F3's scaling is broken, too: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=24941513#itemanchor_24941513 : biskits
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          You're almost entirely wrong in that post. Yes, you encounter bigger, badder version of enemies, but you... : Arcanum
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            i had two points there: i don't recall being harangued by weaklings late in the game, though you do, but : biskits
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              You may not have encountered much in the way of weak enemies because you mostly fast traveled to mission ... : Arcanum
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                It's funny we're arguing in this subthread while I feel your complaints about Oblivion in the subthread a... : biskits
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                  I thought they did an admirable job correcting most of the flaws in Fallout 3. : Arcanum
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                    i was so disappointed with the lack of perceived growth in F3 that i quit playing about 80% of the way th... : biskits
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                      I hope you weren't just following along the main story line. If so, you missed the best and vast majorit... : Arcanum
                      • no, i finished everything. : biskits
                    • Did you bother to explore the world much? Initially, there were areas that were impossibly hard, and by t... : noxiousgg
      • Even in new areas in Fallout 3 the levels were only scaled within a particular range. There were definit... : Arcanum
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        http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php?/topic/1156332-is-level-scaling-backnoooooooooooo/page__st__40__p__1... : pyide
        • god damn it. : biskits
    • damn. well, never mind that idea. : biskits
    • am I the only one that doesn't care about this? I'm sure it will be improved a great bit and "so what" i... : Druuge
    • gahey : skryte
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    I'm glad they took out mysticism. I assume this means they'll have a more sane way of recharging enchante... : DeBurgo
    • Yeah, it was really annoying, even with the soul gem that is infinitely usable. : pyide
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      Skyrim: powered by Enchantment! : Hemtroll
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        Enchantment? : SolrFlare
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          Enchantment! : Clay
          • Best subthread ever! : invisible_kid
  • -Hud-free first-person view and improved third-person perspective Hud free caught my interest : the_burd
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  Looks good. Still not sure about the norse/Nord theme but I can't wait to see some gameplay which I assum... : Dr_Cube
  • I think this year and this game in particular is going to make me upgrade my PC and I am absolutely OK wi... : Hemtroll
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    Game looks fine. It's not going to beat RAGE for "pertiest game o the year" but definitely solid enough. ... : locater16
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      I trust them on gameplay. I trust them on story. I trust them on graphics, lighting, and art style. The O... : Dr_Cube
      • Quote says animation is fine too. Nice looking, move well, etc. No more hanky janky stuff. : locater16
  • Also, I think I may actually play this primarily in third person with the occasional switch to first for ... : Dr_Cube
  • One of the cooler areas in Oblivion was the mountain temple. I spent a while trying to climb those huge m... : Beady
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  Its HOT, I swear the models of the characters and mobs are tessellated, they look way to detailed for nor... : valcan_s
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    where are you seeing this? : mankeroo
    • There's scans kicking around. Can't link 'em here, we don't want to get sued! : Dave-A
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      maybe he has the magazine? : Hemtroll
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        What is a magazine? : shirif
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          I think it's like an ipad but made out of wood : Hemtroll
          • ^^ inf : Johnny Law
          • ^^ unf : theamazingrand0
          • lol'ed : funnynamehere
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      You can google it in about 2 seconds. : Visceral Monkey
      • Holy sheeet : Xencer
    • search on reddit, they're easy to find. : ErikTehRed
• need to see it in motion and in HD, not some blurry scans or whatever : grendel
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  can't wait for some Oblivion-size front page threads! : devpaul
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    anyone have any links to these preserved? I wasn't here back then but I'd still like to see some : Hemtroll
    • Here's one! http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?story=41411 : Arcanum
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  Looks pretty fucking good to me. : Sexpansion Pack
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    Let me guess, you'll buy it and play it for a few hours and return it because you couldn't get into it? L... : Dave-A
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      Wha? I am a total Elder Scrolls freak. I've put so many hours into Morrowind and Oblivion it's not even f... : Sexpansion Pack
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        ^^^ Never played Arena or Daggerfall : someWayne
        • Nonsense, I played them both, many times. : Sexpansion Pack
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  Well it's certainly the prettiest game they've made but the gameplay sounds like taking oblivion further ... : SpaecKow
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    It's Bethesda. Don't be too worried. : nwillard
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      People said this about Civ 5. "It's Firaxis, don't be worried." I'm worried about everything. I'm not goi... : locater16
      • They broke it in Oblivion with experimentation, fixed it with Fallout 3. They make a stumble with most g... : kingdepork
      • Yeah and Civ V is a good game. : Wisp!
    • I'm not worried at all, I have very little interest in the ES games now. As long as Fallouts stay decent ... : SpaecKow
• while i am certainly interested in this game, i hold my excitement until after i see this game in motion.... : theWhite
• on my face, plz : lonepie
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  I suspect that they'll continue the trend of making better games each time as they have in the past. T... : Vincent Grayson
  • yes please! Climbing walls and stuff would be great for rogue-like characters : Hemtroll
  • Damn it! I want this now. But it won't happen. : Earl Greigh
  • Those would require animations. : Beady
  • please do not talk about things that are awesome and will never happen :( : pyide
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    Daggerfall had it. Each game in the series has been worse than the one before it. Arena->Daggerfall m... : Ebu
    • No way, each game has improved in leaps and bounds. Yes, Daggerfall had a lot of stuff, but it was a bugg... : Vincent Grayson
    • morrowind was worse than arena, got it : kill9
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      I only started playing Elder Scrolls games with Morrowind. I absolutely loved it. Oblivion was my second ... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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        They went from 21 to 18 skills. Oblivion had closely related skills like athleticism and acrobatics that... : kill9
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          There is no "unarmed" in Oblivion. Only hand-to-hand. If they drop Mysticism and combine Athleticism an... : Arcanum
          • Oh hmm, must have been in Morrowind then. In that case, combine speechcraft with mercantile. I think th... : kill9
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          Fair enough, I can live with that, I suppose. I just enojy complexity in games like that. : Robotic Puppy Eater
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            Morrowind especially had some skills that were either redundant or just gimped. Medium Armor, I'm lookin... : Arcanum
            • Also spear, lol : kill9
      • I dunno sounds like they're adding stuff, too, though. from the neogaf link: "Town visiting: You may d... : DeBurgo
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    bring back levitate! : the_burd
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      Yeah we better be able to levitate. : Robotic Puppy Eater
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        No chance in hell. Creates way too many game-breaking scenarios : kill9
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          I don't see what the problem would be. Morrowind had levitation and it didn't hurt the game. It's suppose... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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            Off the top of my head, it completely breaks melee combat. It makes getting to certain areas more trivia... : Arcanum
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              Well they'll have to learn to adapt, then. Levitation was a very important skill in Morrowind, especially... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mjgtpMKhIE
                
                As far as them telling you where you can and can't go, all I can say is "what"? The world isn't infinite. They can't let you fly over mountains to the other side when nothing exists over there. The only reason this worked in MW was that you were on an island that was surrounded by infinite water on all sides.

                Jan 07, 2011 8:53pm PST
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                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mjgtpMKhIE As far as them telling you where you can and can't go, all ... : kill9
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                  Yep, you can only "adapt" so much without resorting to horribly contrived crap. Invisible walls, amazing : Arcanum
                  • Yeah, people are claiming cities will probably not be zoned this time, but without advances in the consol... : kill9
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                    Well I don't really think the way they handled cities in Oblivion was very good. Once modders started wor... : Robotic Puppy Eater
                    • It's not going to happen because you are in the extreme minority here with that being an important featur... : kill9
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                  Yeah, you can do this if you plan it out in advance and know what you're doing. Super Mario World was a h... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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                    That is just one extreme example. Flying has never really made sense in Elder Scrolls games : kill9
                    • Tell that to the Telvanni. The mushroom houses and the little floating rock in Vivec wouldn't have been a... : Robotic Puppy Eater
  • Wonderful idea. The next Splinter Cell needs to do this too. : Dr_Cube
  • still waiting for a game with climbing thats actually fun thats right ASSCREED : bolneze
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  Calm yourself, you've got 11 months yet. : papaskot
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    "but it's my money and I want it now!" : devpaul
    • If that's how it works I'd gladly buy it now. : papaskot
• Colour me disappointed. The Dragons aren't even dragons, they are wyrms. I shall enjoy slaying these f... : Beady
• I hope they actually build a world this time, and not just ctl-v everything : crazywigga
• Engine taste test : Two Worlds 2 & Gothic 4 ** Is Skyrim DX11 ? ** PC MAX settings Well for those that... : valcan_s
• Oh look, the facial animations actually work and the NPC's don't look like lifeless robots. Yay! : jingletard
• Just saw some scans. Wow, the NPCs doesn't look freakish anymore. : Vegtro
• I hope they use some of the Oblivion voice actors just for laughs. : The Wilhelm Scream
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  screenshots? http://i.imgur.com/Zynr8.jpg : burning eye
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    http://i.imgur.com/tyGdQ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/TXVob.jpg http://i.imgur.com/4M3Mr.jpg http://i.imgu... : burning eye
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      Fuck, im sorry. I know this isn't allowed. Wasn't thinking. : burning eye
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        Honestly it's up everywhere, anyone with google can see this. It's like the Bethesda PR people haven't he... : locater16
        • I'm certain the Bethesda PR people don't give a shit, it's free publicity for the people who *don't* subs... : Vincent Grayson
    • No penis or balls on that yeti. Disappointing. : lightly inclined
    • I kind of wish people would wait for direct feed shots and videos before proclaiming how good/bad a game ... : DeBurgo
• DovahKiin DovaKiin : Anir
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  Looking at the pictures, it strikes me once again what makes Bethesda's games stand out: There are very, : Arcanum
  • until someone opens their mouth : twifosp
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  Just give me the mod tools bethesda, and no one will get hurt. : Hemotoxin
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    Prediction: Bethesda will make indeterminate statements about the release of mod tools. Doomsayers will... : Arcanum
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      haha yup. Happens every time. : beanman101283
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        Didn't it happen only for Fallout 3? : razlebol
        • I'm pretty sure it happened with Oblivion as well. : Arcanum
        • And for New Vegas : beanman101283
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      Oh I doubt they WON'T release them. I just want them to be more of a priority. GECK for Fallout 3 and NV ... : Hemotoxin
      • FNV released the GECK on day 1, dude. : jason bergman
• Most games, if I know I'm interested in them, I don't really follow the pre-release hype. I already know ... : beanman101283
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  I thought they would be using id's Rage engine....any word if it's a brand new engine or a re-tooled Game... : Overbyte
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    It has been stated many, many times they weren't going to use Rage. It's a new engine of their own. : Arcanum
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      I know they've said it's all new, but this comment really worries me: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpos... : pyide
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        The graphics engine is the biggest problem. : Arcanum
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          The animation is the biggest problem. : Vegtro
          • Oh yeah, how could anyone forget that. People always said the animations sucked because of engine limitat... : pyide
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          For me personally, it's the smallest problem. Even though I don't like the way a game like Fallout 3 rend... : pyide
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            azuvatar summed it up perfectly when he said something like "(the engine) feels like I'm moving on graph ... : pyide
            • source! http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23920673 : pyide
    • News to me! : Overbyte
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  after that neogaf thread... i've lost interest. tes is dead to me : harold.johnson
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    you'll be back! : pyide
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      no, i doubt i will. the leveled content killed it for me in oblivion. they're doing some neat sounding... : harold.johnson
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        If it's that bad there will be mods that do the opposite, like there was in Oblivion. They've already sai... : pyide
        • well, fallout 3 pissed me off more then oblivion... *holds his copies of morrowind and weeps softly into... : harold.johnson
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          After playing Oblviion I realized that I don't like levelled content. In fact, I hate it. I loved Fallout... : Dr_Cube
          • Jesus christ yes. Exactly. : biskits
          • yeah totally. the traditional RPG method works better. : skryte
          • Completely agree. : ROCKETR
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        Just slide the difficulty slider all the way down and explore world/storyline as casually as you like. : alexvj
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          that isn't what i would want. in morrowind, you could walk into places that would absolutely kick your a... : harold.johnson
          • Yea, well, good luck with that. I highly doubt that you'd get anything nearly as deep and as immersing wi... : alexvj
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        They never mentioned levelled content. But I don't care if you read this. People going off a single misin... : locater16
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          actually it does mention it, and given the track record of their last two games, i see no reason to disbe... : harold.johnson
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            just to make it easier for you, here is the copy/pasted quote: Level-scaling: It is coming back : harold.johnson
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              Hi, you don't have the magazine. There's no quote like that in there. In fact here's a quote from the dev : locater16
              • maybe reading comprehension is way off here, but that sounds exactly like leveled content. which i liked... : harold.johnson
              • "they never mentioned leveled content" but yet you just quoted a bethesda developer talking about leveled... : kill9
        • http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php?/topic/1156332-is-level-scaling-backnoooooooooooo/page__st__40__p__1 : pyide
  • Alright, thanks for stopping by! : Hemtroll
• On leveling: Totally revamped, no more class selection at the start of the game, every skill you level c : ballystix
• I hope Carmack has the right to take a look at their new engine and give tips on how to improve it. They ... : razlebol
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  Let's say I only played Oblivion to the first Oblivion gate. If I wanted to boot it up again, are there a... : at0micgarden
  • You should probably just download Nehirim (even though it has nothing to do with the original game at all... : kill9
• I'm extremely excited. This game is the one thing that could get me to build a new gaming PC next year. ... : DinK
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  I wish we can see some screenshots. : DM7
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    http://i.imgur.com/Zynr8.jpg : Trips
    • I forgot the internet was real and forgot I could search for them. ;D : DM7