Evening Reading: My Friends Are Game Dev Story Obsessed

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  I can't help but think that since the current generation of consoles gets older and hence graphically sta... : Strid3rtheGreat
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    I think your just looking for an escape goat. : Prozium
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      From what? I don't think PC gaming is going anywhere anytime soon. : Strid3rtheGreat
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        whoooooooosh : SqueegyTBS
        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD5ZXuL0HyE : Fenring42
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          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD5ZXuL0HyE : deject
          • hivemind : GoldfishInAJarOfPickles
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    a midrange PC is a lot more expensive than $199. yeah, you can probably build one for $500 without monit... : EvilDolemite
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      A console is $200 without monitor. Add an extra $500 for the monitor and it's in the same ballpark. : Teleporting Muffins
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        Except that the vast majority of people that buy consoles already have TVs that they use for other things... : Sapiens
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          Yeah and a vast majority of people use computers for more then just games...... : sasquatchxing
          • Exactly. Heck, factor in extra controllers, the cost of Xbox Live each year, the extra surcharge on most... : wytefang
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            I don't see how that's relevant. We're talking about the initial price barrier to entry for console gaming vs PC gaming. Since most people who buy a console already have a TV that they can hook it up to, factoring in the price of a TV for console gaming doesn't make sense. On the PC side things can get much more complicated.
            
            Say you already have a plain jane Dell desktop you use for Office and surfing and watching porn and whatnot -- great, we'll take out the price of buying a monitor/mouse/keyboard there too. But can you just drop in a new video card and be ready to play PC games? Does the Dell motherboard have a PCIe slot you can use? Does it have a power supply capable of driving the card? Will the card actually fit in the case? Will there be sufficient airflow to keep the card cool? Can the other components in the system perform at a level that won't hamper your experience?
            
            The average PC user probably can't answer these questions anyway, but unless the PC was purchased with some type of gaming in mind, one or more of the answers will probably be "No." Now in addition to the video card we're looking at other purchases to make the PC gaming magic happen -- New case? New PSU? Upgrades for other components?
            
            Just because someone already owns a computer doesn't make that equivalent to already owning a TV when it comes to gaming.

            Oct 19, 2010 12:25am PDT
            I don't see how that's relevant. We're talking about the initial price barrier to entry for console gami... : Sapiens
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    Ease of use trumps all that. There may be some growth in online gaming (especially outside the USA) and d... : Dr_Cube
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      So all gamers are to dumb to double click a game icon and play? : Strid3rtheGreat
      • This probably isn't that far from what the proverbial board room would say. : greasyjohn
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        People are too busy with other things to mess around with settings or drivers or patching their OS or res... : Dr_Cube
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          At least when something does go wrong it's a simple google search away. And usually early fixed. If your... : Strid3rtheGreat
          • Easily* : Strid3rtheGreat
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            okay, but let's be fair here. a RROD is a total system failure. it would be more accurate to compare th... : EvilDolemite
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              And even then it's easier. You don't even have to troubleshoot the broken part, you just put the whole th... : Haxim
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                Or...I spend a few minutes troubleshooting. Find out it's my video card and swap it out for another one I... : Strid3rtheGreat
                • Most people have no interest in opening their case and messing with individual components. They take the... : Sapiens
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                  I own one graphics card, one hard drive, one motherboard, only the RAM in my computer. If anything breaks... : Fenring42
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                    How often have you had to replace parts in your PC? : Strid3rtheGreat
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                      Not yet with this one, but twice with my last one. One of my friends has had two faulty motherboard in a ... : Fenring42
                      • I'd still venture to say it's more reliable than a xbox 360. Given the massive sample size of failure rat... : Strid3rtheGreat
                • You're living in a fantasy land if you think the average person is capable of and willing to do the thing... : rudds
                • Most people only own one of each. I do. I don't care about gaming at home anymore on the PC. I game a ... : -efx-
              • Except you're without your system for a few weeks while you could've fixed your PC in one day. ;) : wytefang
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            The RROD death was an anomaly. Console hardware is...overall...reliable. I don't think google is sufficie... : Dr_Cube
            • That's one big ass anomaly. Considering it effects the large majority of people who own 360's. I know sev... : Strid3rtheGreat
          • Sure. But you don't realize how low the threshold is for a large part of the user base. If it requires an... : Marrbe
        • Honestly, I havent had any hardware or software problems playing games on my PC since Windows 7 came out.... : jdcope
      • it's not about being dumb. why do people assume this? ease of use...it doesn't equal "stupid users". th... : EvilDolemite
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        I'm not going to spend hours trying to get my stupid router to work with ANY PC games when it has a built... : Fenring42
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          Very few modern games require you to make any changes to your router, unless your router is a turd and do... : Sapiens
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            I remember last time I had to change stuff. It was last week. I was getting Dawn of War 2 to work. : Fenring42
            • I also remember the last time I had to set ports to play online. It was MW2...which oddly enough is a str... : Strid3rtheGreat
          • Maybe for outgoing but try hosting something, multiplayer hosting on anything is a pain in arse if you do... : nodebug
    • I'm not seeing this anymore - with platforms like STEAM, Impulse, and other cool things (some of Win 7's ... : wytefang
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    for all intensive purposes : Serpico74
    • in tents porpoises : massdev
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      OP: WTF do you even think this means : MamiyaOtaru
      • It means having a purpose and being all intense and shit about it. : -efx-
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    I feel completely the opposite... PC gaming is dying more then ever. there is absolutely NO push to in... : chilln
    • maybe my opinion is of the fact that pc gaming is supposed to always be "high-end" compared to consoles, ... : chilln
  • It won't be because of graphics. It will be because of games that suit the platform. Starcraft and WoW ar... : SqueegyTBS
  • PC gaming will never die. : BongSlayerB
  • The only people who care about PC gaming are computer nerds. People who have the patience and interest in... : Mmmmmoo
  • "For all intensive purposes"? Really? : Marrbe
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  I feel like it keeps getting better and better. Steam has pretty much turned my xbox and Wii into stupidl... : reelbk
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    Steam has done A LOT to make things easier and I love it. Installation is a breeze now and Steam Cloud wi... : Dr_Cube
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      Steam is what has made PC gaming great. Autopatching, easy purchasing, cloud backup and sync, so good. : Serpico74
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        The PC platform would be lost without it. : Dr_Cube
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          Would it though? I mean it's handy and neat, but I can't bring myself to believe that the percentage of p... : Haxim
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            Yeah. Without some sort of standard or rally point I think the PC platform would be too fractious and too... : Dr_Cube
            • Steam doesn't really standardize the development though, does it? The platform is just as much of a pain ... : Haxim
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              How would it be harder to develop for the pc when all the development is done on a pc? : Strid3rtheGreat
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                You have to optimize for different set up (CPUs, GPUs, ect.), consoles are all the same. Every 360 will ... : Fenring42
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                  The motherboard/chipset can really complicate things too because there are so many of them. : Dr_Cube
                  • Steam still doesn't set a standard for hardware all it does is set a standard for DRM and most have used... : sasquatchxing
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        So it's basically Xbox live with cloud stuff? I'm kidding, but it'd be interesting to see what (if any... : Haxim
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          If you're talking about Xbox Live adding things like cloud saves and DD I think you'll see it for next g... : Dr_Cube
          • Cloud saves I could see. I really don't know about DD though. Brick and mortars threw an absolute shit wh... : Haxim
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  when exactly was it down? it's been up, up and up from what i've been seeing. : harold.johnson
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    Ehh, people have been saying for years that consoles will be the end of PC gaming. But I do agree that it... : Strid3rtheGreat
    • consoles have been around long before pc gaming came into existence, if anything it could be the other wa... : razorblade79
  • I've always wondered about sale numbers for games in the PC. Whether or not the numbers gone down or stay... : Mmmmmoo
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  I'm not sure PC gaming ever left. I've heard a lot of talk that its died and come back and died again, a... : loppsided
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    Well Microsoft left. And they took some great games with them. : greasyjohn
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      Yeah, I guess so if you're talking about Halo, or maybe Alan Wake or Fable 2. Those are the only MS game... : loppsided
      • There once was a studio named Ensemble... Or ACES. And there once was a PC exclusive franchise name... : greasyjohn
    • Thats because their priority shifted to their console which is understandable, there are more than enough... : nodebug
• no... : chilln
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  PC gaming only fakes its death - to keep the XBL kiddies away. : The Wilhelm Scream
  • I LOL'd : Lukiopimp
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  PC gaming needs to get over the shit like Civilization V went through. Broken on release and needing lot... : cetra00
  • A large percentage of console games get ported To PC. Sometimes not right away but Some do finally find t... : Strid3rtheGreat
  • this past decade japan has had a huge doujin game scene for the PC. Granted a lot of them aren't real gre... : DeBurgo
• I'm not really sure it ever dwindled enough to need a resurgence. : wytefang
• With over 180 million Windows 7 users I doubt any "resurgence" is needed. :) : Niiniin
• Christ, not another one of these... When the hell was it exactly dead/down? SC was/is still insanely ... : lightly inclined
• I thought we buried already in the 70's when the consoles came to town. : Sludgehead
• to me, it never faded. I will always play games on the pc. : moshman
• it's tiring that people continue to think they have to decide for one "side". :[ : razorblade79
• Gaming at computer desk hurts my bum. : OhMyHip
• I know a bunch of friends who just play Xbox now, having been hardcore PC guys. Console is easier when yo... : node
• What I would really like is a surge of pseudo-indie/mid-budget (AA if you will) developers like the maker... : Marrbe
• Graphics fidelity, consoles, ease of use, compatibility, piracy - none of these things have any baring on... : MeestaNob
• It certainly seems to be a good time for it in the last 12 months. : abrasion
• Just wait for december 7th. : [7]kami