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  am I the only one who thinks this neil guy comes off as an arrogant dick? his being right is irrelevant.... : crypt420
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    Wow. I've never thought of him as arrogant. Amazed that people can't think logically/rationally at times,... : AxeMan808
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      i don't think he knows as much as he acts like he does. but maybe that's what makes him accessible to so... : crypt420
      • this is a troll, right? : NexusOne
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        What? He has a PhD in astrophysics and is the Director of the space center at the American Museum of Natu... : indosauros
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          but he is black ! : gmd
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            Nothin' worse than an uppity black man pretendin' to know somethin' : MagicWishMonkey
            • Except an uppity black man actually knowin' somethin'! : Ride-My-Rocket
          • and hes all like oohh look at me i have 3 names! : alphablu
        • Well said, sir. : SqueegyTBS
      • What? Are you an astrophysicist? : MagicWishMonkey
      • ^^^ homeschooled : xsii
      • Judge the guy's competency in his profession based on his mannerisms and personality quirks in a public f... : miasma&!
      • Lol. : riptyde
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        Well it's a good thing you too dumb to be his peer. His peers on the other hand think quite highly of hi... : twifosp
        • lol "# 2000 Sexiest Astrophysicist Alive, People Magazine" : Hoax
      • "He took after-school astronomy classes at the Hayden and traveled to the Mojave Desert at age 14 to part : Kentor
      • He just pretends to know things. I see. : Jiven
      • clearly you know the fact : eeeealmo
      • Yea, that guy doesn't know shit! http://www.haydenplanetarium.org/tyson/curriculum-vitae#research : aethyr
      • did you come up with this on your own, or is there a blog you can blame : Downforce
      • hahaha : mikecyb
      • Ok, now you're either trolling or you're wrong. : Ride-My-Rocket
      • uh, what? Have you seen his credentials? : deject
      • I'm glad we cleared up that you don't know wtf. : ieGod
      • if only you were accessable : GloriousCow
      • brah, brah : Nitrium
      • Have you actually watched his videos? : chungathebunga
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        Now...imagine he is white! : VegasX
        • Translation: "His is far more intelligent than I am during my moments of THC induced brilliance, thus it ... : VegasX
      • you are an 11 on the troll scale. : hirez
      • lol Neil deGrasse Tyson is one of the most brilliant people currently on this planet in the most cosmic s... : R@zzle
      • I think he is a Muslim. : Lucy Labia
      • i got referred here from another crypt420 dumbass post, and I was not disappointed. : MercFox1
    • Watch how he approaches this situation with Dawkins. It's hardly arrogant. http://www.youtube.com/watc... : warcrow
  • he always seemed to me like a very nice funny hearty and smart person. he is the kind of person i'd like ... : xxx2xxx
  • what a surprise, knowing your past political beliefs : EvilDolemite
  • yes. everyone else loves him. you are probably an over sensitive cry baby. : NexusOne
  • Yes. : noobja
  • nah he is actually a pretty nice dude judging from every interview i saw with him. : Hoax
  • haha, no. If you want to see an arrogant scientist then check out Dawkins. NdGT is a sweetheart in compar... : skinlab133
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    He is not Carl Sagan, no. But how many other physicists are out there amongst the masses in pop culture?... : Lucien Irenicus
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      I prefer listening to Michio Kaku talk rather than Tyson. Not sure why... : retardhumper
      • Yeah, he's good too. Seems to be on TV more often than Tyson. : AxeMan808
  • Neil deGrasse Tyson is probably the polar opposite of arrogant. : Dschinghis Khan
  • honestly, I think you might be confusing arrogance with enthusiasm and confidence : proclone1
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    Not really. He's very well spoken and polite. And if there's anybody is qualified to refute intelligent... : Ride-My-Rocket
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      It's not the job of science to refute "intelligent design". : Marrbe
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        indeed, that's taken care of with much less effort. : eskimo spy
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          It deals with metaphysics, which is the domain of philosophy, not science. : Marrbe
          • http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=CASE&court=US&vol=482&page=578 : boring gegtik
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            its the domain of christians attempting to make religious dogma look legitimate by trying to give it a co... : hobosapien
            • Seriously. Up until recently, people have been saying that God created everything they didn't understand... : Ride-My-Rocket
          • Intelligent design is very much in the domain of science as it makes claims about science (ie the "irredu... : EruditeCaveman
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        It is if the proponents of ID are touting it as a scientific theory : indosauros
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          (which they do) : indosauros
          • http://www.discovery.org/csc/topQuestions.php http://www.ideacenter.org/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/... : indosauros
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          You can't refute creationism by way of science just because they try to defend it that way. : Marrbe
          • so long as the boundaries of creationism stay purely metaphysical you're correct : boring gegtik
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            ID presents itself as a science and is legitimately refuted through application of scientific findings. : Moonbase Commander
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              You can show that it's not science, but you can't refute it as such without referring to metaphysics. Whi... : Marrbe
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                you can cleave it into two parts: the wrong part, and the irrelevant part. : boring gegtik
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                  metaphysics isn't irrelevant mr gegtik :( : DonkeyPopsicle
                  • I wouldn't believe in anything if it weren't for my lucky mood wristwatch. : Endymion_
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                Are you trying to say science can't refute the parts of ID that use religious faith as justification? Of course science can't do that.
                
                However, ID presents itself as a science, has been used as a scientific explanation for creationism and is being taught as a science in some US states. In this form, ID has been refuted and it should not be taught as a rigorous discipline. That's the problem the video addresses.

                Oct 05, 2010 12:55pm PDT
                Are you trying to say science can't refute the parts of ID that use religious faith as justification? Of... : Moonbase Commander
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            Sure you can. If ID is claimed to be a "scientific theory" it is going to make predictions, testable cla... : indosauros
            • I should clarify "sure you can.. refute ID", not creationism, which you seem to be confusing (they are no... : indosauros
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            You can absolutely use well understood science to refute specific claims. They will just change their ... : Danny5225
            • Pointless though, since a correct metaphysics can invalidate the entire thing in one swoop. : Marrbe
          • who'd have thought that YOU would be arguing this lol : eeeealmo
      • You're right -- it's more of a pro-bono thing. : Ride-My-Rocket
  • Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're the only one, actually. : Conan
  • Yeah... he thinks he's so smart... : someWayne
  • If by arrogant you mean hilarious, then yes. : barcibus
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    What a joyless prick http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aadYN5OPKN8 : anhero
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      fuck that guy and his happiness : indosauros
      • lol : Rag and Bone Man
    • His infectious happiness is awesome. I'd love to take a class from him. Any class. He could be talking... : Ecks
  • I agree. That was an extremely arrogant talk. : themaestro2657
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  I like him so much. I actually think he's more engaging than Sagan was. Sagan was great, but Tyson has mo... : AxeMan808
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    It's a toss-up for me. I really enjoy both of them, but I like Sagan's approach more. He just seemed much... : ColoradoCNC
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      I really like the way Sagan pronounced words. : MagicWishMonkey
      • Sagan was/is the king. : underground banana plantation
  • Sagan was just so fucking poetic. Gotta love that in a scientist. : systatic
• Love that guy. Thanks. : KxRook
• "It's like an entertainment complex in the middle of a sewage system - no engineer would design that at a... : Moonbase Commander
• whats this between our legs? an entertainment complex in the middle of a sewage system hilarious : aurealis
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  You posted a scientist's speech just so you could score some points against Islam? I think you're failing... : ColoradoCNC
  • pssst its podung and he did post something good with all the false reasoning behind it. the last time i p... : Hoax
  • Yea, I was justifying posting an older speech by contrasting with what the current Nasa directors stated ... : podung
• I like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HghEBxHvgg : magistersmax
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  It's an excellent point. Concluding that "god did it" prevents further progression along that line. : SqueegyTBS
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    To be fair, taking the "God did it" approach frees up valuable time that can be used for more productive ... : MagicWishMonkey
    • I want my neighbor's land, I think I might accuse him of having sex with the devil and killing my livesto... : ColoradoCNC
  • Exactly. It's a willful ignorance that I find deeply disturbing. : basketofkittens
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  The full version of that lecture is fantastic and highly illuminating (contains the video from the OP as ... : rudds
  • awesome. : podung
  • that was very interesting, thanks : strider_
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  I like his approach but it is very broad and non-direction. I mean showing pictures of aborted fetuses wi... : VegasX
  • *non-direct : VegasX
  • All I'll say here is that your reasoning is not based on evidence. : kek
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  motherfucker dropped a bunch of aborted freak fetuses into the slide show : [fry]
  • Science!! : Lucien Irenicus
  • and accidentally called them aborted feces : OrkO
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    Your reaction kinda strengthens his point. : Moonbase Commander
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      please elaborate. i was under the impression that i find dead fetus collages to be unpleasant. i was a... : [fry]
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        I never said you were wrong. I said your reaction proves his point that our "design" is flawed. : Moonbase Commander
        • Well I feel stupid now which still makes you a dick. : [fry]
• Awesome, thanks for posting the link. : cap n KRUNCH
• Deadly Newt? I must look into this. : barcibus
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  Damn he is an awesome speaker, i've been watching some other vids with him... and DAMN this guy is aweso... : ghost hacker
  • about half way through this, it's pretty good : valael
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  Question: What's he referring to with the "collapse of Islam in 1100" statement? : underground banana plantation
  • Perhaps a reference to the culmination of the crusades, the Mongol conquest, the Spanish Reconquista, etc... : Danny5225
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    If you read an Orientalist book, they will give you the conventional wisdom on Islamic civilisation, whic... : SpaecKow
    • The Mongol conquests did a lot of damage to all of Asia, but I wouldn't give the Crusades the same credit... : SpaecKow
• Is that Dawkins at 5:40? : EruditeCaveman