Morning Discussion

The USA is currently in the middle of Banned Books Week, an annual event raising awareness of attempts to have books banned from libraries, book shops and schools. This might seem like small potatoes compared to the video game shenanigans afoot in California at the moment, but it's a handy reminder that this is only one battle in a long struggle. If books well-recognised as "classics" can still be under attack today, it'll be a long, hard slog for a medium so thoroughly steeped in gratuitous violence.

I hear you can join the Video Game Voters Network if you enjoy voting as well video games. That might be a good thing to look into.

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    September 28, 2010 5:07 AM

    Tuesday Morning Minecraft Thread!
    Sleepless Edition!!!

    After thinking it over a bit I finally realized that the only way I can guarantee I’m going to get the Minecraft posts up on time is by no longer playing Minecraft.

    Multiplayer Servers!
    MercFox1 : shackeast.sytes.net
    - Latest MercFox1 render: http://box.nevernet.com/~djr/mc/render.png
    AgentPothead : shackcraft.sytes.net
    Shadowdane (snow world) : shadowdane.shacknet.nu
    Chicken Fur : 69.169.149.253
    m0rfus (PvP/Mobs on) : 173.201.191.198

    Teamspeak : ts.shackbattles.com : 9987

    I play it all night and then fall asleep an hour before the chatty goes up!

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      September 28, 2010 5:08 AM

      First Time Playing?
      - Check out (and help with) the Shackwiki Minecraft page!
      http://shackwiki.com/wiki/Minecraft

      - Map your levels with Oizomapper, by mroizo40!
      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=24100023#itemanchor_24100023

      Video Guides!
      - (Series) X's Adventures in Minecraft! Linked by zuff!
      http://tinyurl.com/2ah7sex
      Lots of useful info in here!

      - (Series) Minecraft Minecart Tutorials! Boosters! Track switches! Et cetera!
      http://tinyurl.com/2udl2lt

      Written Guides!
      - Beginner’s Guides to Minecraft, originally linked by at0micgarden!
      (Work in Progress) Guide to Alpha: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=17021
      How to Survive Your First Night: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=19065

      Shacker Help!
      - Things I Wish I’d Known, a retrospective by Ebu!
      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23608826#itemanchor_23608826

      - Linkmania! By zuff!
      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23514788#itemanchor_23514788
      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23533536#itemanchor_23533536


      - Ores, and How to Find Them, by Fooldozer and CodeRedBeard!
      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23582115#itemanchor_23582115

      - Multiplayer Tips from BlackCat9
      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23641449#itemanchor_23641449

      - Circle guides! More useful than they sound!
      http://www.agentpothead.com/minecraft/sphere.html linked/hosted by AgentPothead!
      http://www.41370.com/linkedimg/radii_even_to_100.png linked by Hemtroll!

      - And some generally useful keys to press!
      F11 - full screen!
      F3 (hold) - CPU/ memory usage bar! Spikes for CPU/ red box for memory, I think!
      F5 - third person mode!

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      September 28, 2010 5:08 AM

      I'm going to bed!

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      September 28, 2010 5:09 AM

      I found my 'MS' on the render! fuck its far from spawn. gonna suck when they implement dying

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        September 28, 2010 5:12 AM

        you should build with me at Maul L.A. which is across from the head of penis island! I havent had any time to play the past few days, hoping to get some in tonight

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          September 28, 2010 5:37 AM

          oh yea? i think i'm just south of there. once i find a supercomputer that will display the render i'll let you know

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            September 28, 2010 5:40 AM

            Right now I just have the glass base/sign for the first skyscraper in place.

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        September 28, 2010 5:19 AM

        are you still playing SP-only, msync?

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          September 28, 2010 5:32 AM

          only last night when the servers were down

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      September 28, 2010 5:12 AM

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        September 28, 2010 5:17 AM

        lol what happened to penis island

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        September 28, 2010 5:49 AM

        Is that a forest fire in the north corner of the render? I thought we banned Flint and Steel?

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          September 28, 2010 5:52 AM

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            September 28, 2010 5:52 AM

            ah, okay that explains it then!

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            September 28, 2010 7:41 AM

            is it burning forever, how long does a block of wood take to burn down? I was wandering in that area yesterday and it seem to last too long per block... somehow...

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              September 28, 2010 7:55 AM

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              September 28, 2010 8:14 AM

              I think it doesn't burn out.. if nobody is in the area to see it. If nobody is close to it I think those chunks are kind of dormant on the disk until somebody gets close again. Basically... a tree doesn't fall in the forest of Minecraft if nobody is there to hear it. :)

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            September 28, 2010 8:42 AM

            I had four trees outside my arena burn to the ground yesterday. How?

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          September 28, 2010 1:01 PM

          Does flint + steel not work? I have one in my inventory but I've never used it.

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      September 28, 2010 5:12 AM

      I started my 1st world 2 days ago, and my 2nd yesterday.

      The 1st one didn't really go too far. Spent a lot of time excavating beneath my house, planting crops. Only found a few iron. I started work on a tower outpost thing, but all in all, didn't do too much.

      The 2nd spawned in some awesome mountainous terrain, though I guess mountains are kinda pointless since the good stuff only really spawns deep down. So I built a little home in the side of a mountain close to a very promising cave system. Within an hour or so, I was cautious exploring, found a bit of iron down there.
      Then I just excavated straight down in a spiral until I hit bedrock, and lo and behold, that huge cave system went allll the way down. Where I mined 10 diamond, a ton of redstone, 30 or so iron, found lava, beat a dungeon, etc. So now I have a diamond pickaxe and sword, and it's time to hunt spiders for a bow. Then...time to build something awesome. =D

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        September 28, 2010 7:08 AM

        Whew. Just delved deep into a nearby cave system, racking up a ton of iron. I ran out of food right before I started seeing a bunch of torches, then a long waterfall, then lava, and knew I was real close to the spiral staircase that would take me up right into my house.

        =D

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      September 28, 2010 5:14 AM

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      September 28, 2010 5:17 AM

      Just fired up minecraft for the first time today and I got a snow world. Is that unusual? I've started building a base in this hill that turned out to be swiss-cheesed with caves. Right now I'm stuck inside because there's a creeper and zombie right outside my door.

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        September 28, 2010 5:20 AM

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        September 28, 2010 5:58 AM

        my first is snow as well. i went on a deep dig and resurfaced during the day - a zombie popped out of somewhere and EXPLODED! it blew a crater into the mountain side and the wool right off a sheep!

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        September 28, 2010 9:57 AM

        My first world is a snow world. I can't really play as i'm still waiting for my video card from evga and amazon. Just got a 64mb card right now and it lags up a lot.

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        September 28, 2010 11:16 AM

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      September 28, 2010 5:19 AM

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      September 28, 2010 5:25 AM

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      September 28, 2010 5:46 AM

      Minecraft is crashing like crazy for me. I'm playing on MercFox1's server, it just crashed 3 times in a row:



      Minecraft has crashed!
      ----------------------

      Minecraft has stopped running because it encountered a problem.

      If you wish to report this, please copy this entire text and email it to support@mojang.com.
      Please include a description of what you did when the error occured.



      --- BEGIN ERROR REPORT a1dce528 --------
      Generated 9/28/10 8:45 AM

      Minecraft: Minecraft Alpha v1.1.2_01
      OS: Windows 7 (x86) version 6.1
      Java: 1.6.0_21, Sun Microsystems Inc.
      VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (mixed mode), Sun Microsystems Inc.
      LWJGL: 2.4.2
      OpenGL: GeForce GTX 260/PCI/SSE2 version 3.3.0, NVIDIA Corporation

      java.lang.NullPointerException
      at fz.b(SourceFile:58)
      at fz.a(SourceFile:54)
      at bn.a(SourceFile:152)
      at e.a(SourceFile:942)
      at iq.c(SourceFile:342)
      at iq.b(SourceFile:284)
      at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.run(SourceFile:608)
      at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
      --- END ERROR REPORT 327bf1c5 ----------


      any ideas?

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      September 28, 2010 5:53 AM

      Dong Patrol, how many dongs are there in Minecraft? You must be keeping tabs on them.

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      September 28, 2010 6:17 AM

      Dong Patrol -- My server no longer runs a snow world.

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      September 28, 2010 6:17 AM

      Apart from graph paper, are there any programs or tools that would work well for planning a structure? I'm trying to decide how to build the towers on my castle in SP.

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        September 28, 2010 6:46 AM

        I have heard of some people using Google Sketch with good results.

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        September 28, 2010 7:18 AM

        MS Paint

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        September 28, 2010 10:23 AM

        I've used excel. Column width 2.45

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        September 28, 2010 2:22 PM

        It's sort of cheating, but MCEdit I think can export some sort of schematic. Or, you could combine it, a SP world, and the OizoRenderer to produce a sort of blueprint.

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      September 28, 2010 6:19 AM

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          September 28, 2010 7:39 AM

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            September 28, 2010 7:44 AM

            I never said I wouldn't help, just showing you the trick :)

            What do you need?

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              September 28, 2010 7:49 AM

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                September 28, 2010 7:53 AM

                I... don't know if it's possible, at least not in any way that'll do Minas Tirith any justice. Orthanc hit the skybox way too soon, and it's about 1/4 the size of Minas Tirith. I figured Minas Tirith would have to wait to see if Notch increased the skybox.

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                  September 28, 2010 7:55 AM

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                    September 28, 2010 8:13 AM

                    OK. If I were you I would flatten out the plain where it will stand to be a bit below sea level -- maybe 6 blocks or so below sea level. That gives you five rings of walls at 12 blocks high apiece with 10 blocks of grace for the White Tree at the top (can't quite remember the name off the top of my head...). If you want to see how high that will be in-game, stop by Orthanc and check out the oasis level. (You may even want to consider 18-block walls.) Minas Tirith is taller than it is wide, so you'll want the space in between rings to be something like... 8 blocks? So basically, figure out how many rings you'll want in the final product, figure out the size of the top layer, and extrapolate down from there.

                    You may want to try this out in Google SketchUp to get a feel for it before committing in Minecraft :)

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                  September 28, 2010 8:21 AM

                  I've already seen it done in a youtube video complete with invading army.. and it was pretty freaking amazing.

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                    September 28, 2010 8:22 AM

                    linky needed

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                      September 28, 2010 8:27 AM

                      Here is it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx7UKLCNYjw

                      And this must have taken a STUPID amount of time to put together...

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                        September 28, 2010 8:33 AM

                        I just watched it again and I'm blown away all over again. Almost every building inside the walls has an interior with furniture etc. And I like the way it was done almost as a snapshot of the battle.. complete with catapult projectiles frozen in midair and the fell beast in mid-flight. Truly.. amazing.

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                        September 28, 2010 8:33 AM

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                          September 28, 2010 8:36 AM

                          I think they drilled down to bedrock and grassed over it

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                          September 28, 2010 8:36 AM

                          Yeah, I thought it looks huge as well. He must have started at bedrock level and built up right? Because the top of the castle its really high... and the mountain behind it actually looks like it extends beyond it.

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                        September 28, 2010 8:37 AM

                        Holy fucking epic. Impressive attention to detail, including a shadow on the ground for the Nazgul and everything. The Eye of Sauron was a nice touch too :)

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                        September 28, 2010 11:23 AM

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      September 28, 2010 6:22 AM

      Repost from ER

      OizoMapper 9/27 Release

      Thanks to m0rfus for hosting!

      http://www.digitized-e.com/mroizo/OizoMapper.zip

      - Added ability to change facing on oblique, oblique angle, and textured

      Now you can see the other side of renders.

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      September 28, 2010 6:28 AM

      fucking boss keeps walking by while im trying to play. this shits not gonna mine itself!

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      September 28, 2010 6:28 AM

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        September 28, 2010 6:38 AM

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        September 28, 2010 10:40 AM

        Five minutes real world time from the second the item leaves your inventory or is "created". Another death doesn't change that time.

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      September 28, 2010 6:38 AM

      I got into Minecraft last week. I'm going to try to convince my brother to get in on it as well. Post the most amazing thing you've seen in Minecraft so far or anything else you think would convince someone to buy it.

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      September 28, 2010 6:57 AM

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      September 28, 2010 7:08 AM

      I posted this in it's own thread but guys you really got to see this. http://shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=24114575

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      September 28, 2010 7:11 AM

      I had fun with this game for about a week, just building stuff out of dirt and sand. Enjoying myself. Then I discovered the inventory window and I could actually craft things. This opened my eyes, so I thought. I spent some more time discovering crafting recipes on my own. Having a lot of fun, then I reached two more epiphanies. Water Buckets and Flint and Steel. First I set the world on fire and then I flooded it. I felt like god. I avoided the minecraft threads here because I've never been big on multiplayer and no one really knows me on the shack but yesterday I decided to connect to MercFox server... I realized I haven't even scratched the surface of what this game can do. I'll be tied up with this for a long time.

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      September 28, 2010 7:16 AM

      IndieGames.com Podcast #2 has Notch talking about Minecraft. Very interesting. He mentions something about "somebody out there has developed a Dwarf fortress conversion tool to import levels into Minecraft.." And that guys a shacker right? (Sorry.. forget your name). Cool stuff. He says he plans on having six employees by December. Good listen.

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        September 28, 2010 7:21 AM

        Troz is the Shacker you speak of. Since Notch mentions Dwarf Fortress as one of his inspirations in creating Minecraft, I bet he was quite impressed by the converter.

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          September 28, 2010 7:25 AM

          Ok, thanks. He said he thought it was cool but hadn't had a chance to try it out yet.

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        September 28, 2010 7:22 AM

        Wow... he said the world is not infinite.. but it is definitely huge. The game world does have a limit but the worlds are 8 times the size of the Earth! Who will be the first explorer to hit the end of the world?

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          September 28, 2010 7:35 AM

          haha unlikely you'd have to walk in one direction for about a year non-stop to reach the end of the world.

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          September 28, 2010 7:37 AM

          Yeah IIRC it's 32 million blocks in any direction from spawn

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        September 28, 2010 7:29 AM

        Sort of an amateur hour podcast but there were some interesting tidbits in there. He mentioned the idea of adding a victory condition to the game that's just really really hard to accomplish, NetHack-style. I can imagine that being pretty awesome done right.

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          September 28, 2010 7:33 AM

          Well.. amateur hour.. it is and indie game podcast.. so.. it's smalltime. But I just think it's very interesting to hear him talk because until now I've just read some twitter posts and develop blogs. It's cool to hear his story in his own words.

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          September 28, 2010 7:37 AM

          The game already feels like Nethack in a way.

          - You have to fight enemies 1v1 or risk getting overwhelmed.
          - Even with the strongest weapons/armor, you can die in stupid ways.
          - If you die, you lose all your items and restart.
          - Random levels, hidden rooms, "traps" (if digging straight down, you land in lava...)

          If you adds an "Amulet of Yondor", more monsters, and 4 astral planes, well, we'll have a cool first person Nethack.

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            September 28, 2010 7:42 AM

            not to slight minecraft, but he would need to add A LOT more gameplay elements if he wanted to even approach what was in nethack.

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              September 28, 2010 7:51 AM

              Well, yes, but it seems like gameplay is starting to approach that with the ideas he has. Whether or not it gets implemented one day is another thing. Nethack was insane for all the stuff it had.

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                September 28, 2010 7:59 AM

                It sounds like the "adventure mode" he mentioned at the end of the podcast would be pretty similar to Nethack at least in it's design (if not in it's depth of features).

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                  September 28, 2010 8:06 AM

                  I don't know if an adventure mode would be Nethack's selling point. I think the sandbox aspect is absolutely what attracts people to the game.

                  If anything, Adventure Mode would be best used as a way to explore a world someone else built primarily for exploration.

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                    September 28, 2010 8:26 AM

                    Well, for me, the exciting part about adventure mode in Minecraft would be that people can basically build 'levels' where you have an environment and possibly a goal to achieve etc. It could be a dungeon with mobs and some treasure at the end.. or a treasure hunt with waypoints... or just a cool area to explore. I'd imagine with the amount of people creating stuff in this game, people will come up with some really cool places to run through.

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        September 28, 2010 7:38 AM

        I don't even know if he received my job application. :O I've seen his ad looking for an office though and he put a deadline on moving in for December 1st.

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        September 28, 2010 7:45 AM

        Yeah, that was me. Link to podcast please!!

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          September 28, 2010 7:49 AM

          fount it

          Oh, that the converter is at: http://github.com/TroZ/DF2MC/downloads

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            September 28, 2010 8:03 AM

            wow, right at the beginning too!

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              September 28, 2010 8:10 AM

              Yeah, it's one of the first things they mention in the podcast I guess Dwarf Fortress was a big influence for him.

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              September 28, 2010 8:27 AM

              Ugh! About 22 minutes in he mentions changing the save format. It currently isn't that good (a lot of tiny files), but it took me almost two weeks to get writing the save files out correct. Hopefully it won't be too different, just something like put all the small files in to one zip file.

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                September 28, 2010 8:35 AM

                Yeah, I get the feeling it was something a bit more... drastic.. like a complete re-write of how the world is saved. Bad for you... good for minecraft in the longrun probably.

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                  September 28, 2010 8:37 AM

                  Maybe he's been reading about octrees

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                    September 28, 2010 8:44 AM

                    Yeah, I was thinking about the stuff electroly was talking about a few days ago.

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          September 28, 2010 7:55 AM

          You're famous!

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          September 28, 2010 8:04 AM

          Props on making that converter and becoming famous. :)

          I admit that I am curious about Dwarf Fortress but the research I've done on it make it sound like the most difficult game in the world just to learn how to play! (And then an even more difficult one to master). I don't have time for that type of game anymore... but it does sound like a cool idea.

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            September 28, 2010 8:41 AM

            yeah, it has a steep (some would say cliff like) learning curve, as there are multiple things that you have to take care of at the beginning of the game, and if you don't (or don't know how), you will end up loosing (but loosing is fun ). The 'nice' thing is you never lose quickly. One dwarf will get sad, and throw a tantrum, during which he will start a fight injuring another dwarf. That other dwarf will need to rest to heal his injury, but that was the dwarf running your farm (if you figured out how to grow food). Soon, you run out of food, and everyone begins to starve. The same initial dwarf will tantrum again (or another one will) a a big fight will breakout between all your dwarfs, and a few will end up dead. One will go crazy and throw themselves off of the tallest cliff they can find. Eventually you'll have one dwarf left, attempting to survive on bugs and vermin, only to die just after a trade caravan arrives as he doesn't have anything of value to trade for the food that they have.

            However, one you get the hang of it, figure out what you have to do and how to do it, it becomes rather easy to get a fortress going and to make it to about year 3. That is about the point that you start getting attacked by goblins, and if you don't have a good trap system or a decent military by then, you'll have other problems. There are also MegaBeasts that will attack randomly, and occasionally you may also get a dragon to attack, so there are still dangers of losing if you make it past the first few years, to speak nothing of keeping the nobles happy.

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              September 28, 2010 8:46 AM

              Wow, it sounds insanely detailed and complex. It's the type of game I would have loved to get into back in the days when I had more free time. There is no way I could invest enough into it now to get anywhere probably. I like the attention to detail though.

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          September 28, 2010 8:36 AM

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            September 28, 2010 8:39 AM

            Oh shit.. sorry.. I just realized I never posted the link. That was just a slip because I had copied it.. I just forgot to paste it at the end. Sorry about that.

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        September 28, 2010 8:02 AM

        Possibly the most exciting thing he mentioned (at least for me) is that he eventually plans to make the single player and multiplayer exactly the same game. I knew he was planning on making them PLAY the same but he literally wants them to run the exact same way.. so you can invite a friend(s) into your single player game. That would be awesome! Adventure mode where you can't actually alter blocks (except probably by explosions from found TNT or Creepers) sounds like a lot of fun too.

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      September 28, 2010 7:59 AM

      How long does it take for tree saplings to grow? I'm sitting here at work in my single player sandbox and I'm running out of nearby wood. IT'S DANGEROUS TO GO TOO FAR!!!

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        September 28, 2010 8:05 AM

        It tends to vary.. there seems to be a view variables to it (closeness of water... and light) but they usually start to sprout up after 2 or 3 day/night cycles.

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        September 28, 2010 8:06 AM

        Couple days. Put a bunch of torches around the saplings to speed things up.

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          September 28, 2010 9:00 AM

          Don't put them too close though as they may impede growth. Put em at least 1 or 2 blocks away from the sapling to ensure no problems.

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        September 28, 2010 2:32 PM

        I have a couple in a mine with a shit-ton of torches that grow like every fortnight (ingame). I then built a tree farm on a man-made island in my ocean, and those fuckers grow damned-near instantly (maybe two days max, but I have seen some sprout before I finished planting the other 10 or so I had to do.

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      September 28, 2010 9:06 AM

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      September 28, 2010 9:09 AM

      What would be a good way to make a 'beacon light'? Something at the top of a cliff/mountain to help it stand out. So far I just put 4 torches, that's pretty weak though. Should I use lava or fire (haven't used either of them before)?

      Anyone want to help build the Eye of Sauron? Heh.

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      September 28, 2010 9:11 AM

      general mining question:

      Do you mine straight down, or at an angle? i have been mining at an angle, then shooting down for ~20 blocks, then mining forward looking for stuff, rinse and repeat. better way to do it?

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        September 28, 2010 9:14 AM

        I mine at an angle because it give me more mined stuff per hole than straight down, I prefer mining top down and cleaning out an entire mountain to both of those.

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        September 28, 2010 9:19 AM

        I mine at an angle since digging straight down means you can accidentally dig into a huge cavern (and die in single player), land into lava, or just drop into a hole and not be able to find a way up.

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        September 28, 2010 9:21 AM

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        September 28, 2010 9:28 AM

        bedrock or bust is what is tattooed on my ass

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        September 28, 2010 9:41 AM

        I go straight down with a 7x7 square to bedrock and then find the highest point of bedrock. That highest point is where my floor will be.

        Then, I build my workshop which usually consists of one workbench, a few large chests, and an array of 6-9 furnaces for quick smelting. I then extend 2 of the walls, so that I have a section that is 4 high and 16 across. Each time I clear the wall deeper, since it is 4x16 that's one stack of stone.

        I usually use this method to gather stone for construction, but I end up with quite a bit of iron, coal, and redstone. There is also some diamond and gold. Using this method, I was able to create a full suit of diamond armor and a diamond sword in about 3 hours of work. I also was able to nearly complete my castle which I am using a lot of stone for.

        I haven't had much of a problem with lava or water, but the few problems I have had were easily resolved by some of the excess dirt and gravel that I've found.

        Another positive note, since I have the ceiling of my downward mineshaft opened, when I am at the bottom, animals fall in ALL THE TME. This makes it rain leather and pork. during the day and the torches I have surrounding the shaft seem to scare off the skeletons, zombies, or creepers.

        Today, I intend to build Minecart tracks so I can quickly travel between the surface, my workshop, and the mining area using some of the ideas presented in the Minecart tutorials.


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          September 28, 2010 11:51 AM

          keep us informed. i'm interested to hear what you do.

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        September 28, 2010 9:49 AM

        11x11 square straight down. the center block is left in place for the ladder and torches

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        September 28, 2010 9:54 AM

        This is how I roll, down to bedrock then up 16 blocks: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23582115

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        September 28, 2010 11:11 AM

        I don't regurlarly mine for the sake of mining. I usually dig straight into a mountain to create a 'main hall' with a tight entrance (to keep the bad guys out at night). Then I dig hallways off of that and dig nice tunnels down in various directions. I guess I move slowly this way because I dig nice clean hallways with half-block steps and nicely placed torches (instead of straight normal mineshafts) but after while I have a huge network of nicely crafted hallways which go on forever out in all directions. Eventually I hit a natural cavern and just make a clean entrance into that area and explore. Other times I decide I've made a long enough tunnel and create another large hall with rooms and more tunnels coming out of it. I'd imagine this is how the dwarves would have done it. :)

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          September 28, 2010 11:13 AM

          This is how I do it, I like exploring.

          If I was mining to get stone/whatever for a huge project I'd probably do the big square straight down.

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        September 28, 2010 12:21 PM

        I mine straight down or straight across utilizing one of the more efficient mining patterns that strikes me as cool at the time. When I hit ore, I just mine all around it.

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        September 28, 2010 2:35 PM

        Straight down, in a spiral staircase (which I of course dig on an angle, so I don't fall into a cavern with creepers/sketelons/zombies/spiders/on-lava, each landing 2x2x3 (so I can use steps).

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      September 28, 2010 9:31 AM

      Holy crap! This is going to be INSANE.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn2-d5a3r94

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      September 28, 2010 9:33 AM

      So I'm guessing the server is online today?

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      September 28, 2010 9:35 AM

      Just joined MercFox1 and:

      Minecraft has crashed!
      ----------------------

      Minecraft has stopped running because it encountered a problem.

      If you wish to report this, please copy this entire text and email it to support@mojang.com.
      Please include a description of what you did when the error occured.



      --- BEGIN ERROR REPORT a1dce528 --------
      Generated 28.09.10 18:34

      Minecraft: Minecraft Alpha v1.1.2_01
      OS: Windows 7 (x86) version 6.1
      Java: 1.6.0_21, Sun Microsystems Inc.
      VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (mixed mode), Sun Microsystems Inc.
      LWJGL: 2.4.2
      OpenGL: ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series version 4.0.10151 Compatibility Profile Context, ATI Technologies Inc.

      java.lang.NullPointerException
      at fz.b(SourceFile:58)
      at fz.a(SourceFile:54)
      at bn.a(SourceFile:152)
      at e.a(SourceFile:942)
      at iq.c(SourceFile:342)
      at iq.b(SourceFile:284)
      at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.run(SourceFile:608)
      at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
      --- END ERROR REPORT 7fdd7f71 ----------

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        September 28, 2010 9:37 AM

        SM it to notch

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        September 28, 2010 9:39 AM

        Did you turn your view distance to normal?

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      September 28, 2010 9:46 AM

      infinite water how does it work?
      after watching this youtube video I was trying to build my own infinite water source, but it doesn't work
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tfmt1z-Lr8
      does it still work on multiplayer? help me shack I'm drowning here! lol not really.

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        September 28, 2010 9:49 AM

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          September 28, 2010 10:36 AM

          I tried filling my bucket from the ocean but whenever i empty the bucket on to an empty block it just disappears after a second or two.

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        September 28, 2010 10:40 AM

        It's a little weird in MP, I guess due to lag. The basics are (like the above vid):

        Create a 2x2 hole. Fill it like such:

        ~D
        D~

        Where D is dirt and ~ is water. Destroy the dirt, and the pool will merge into a 2x2 infinite pool.

        If you wait a couple days I'm going to make a vid on filling large lakes easily.

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        September 28, 2010 2:36 PM

        Sparkly's tutorial on water: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEONgCJS-Ck

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      September 28, 2010 9:46 AM

      I think I'll become a hermit. Go into the huge cave system I found and never come out. Maybe I'll try and make the underground waterfall into a tourist destination.

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        September 28, 2010 9:54 AM

        Anyone know where morfus' place is? He said he has extra stuff to give away, and I need some supplies.

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          September 28, 2010 11:12 AM

          Well I've collected my own stuff. How much wood you think I'll want? Guess I'll go with 2 stacks.

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      September 28, 2010 9:49 AM

      Aight, FNG here, played for 4 hours straight yesterday, bought the alpha today, bad sign?

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      September 28, 2010 10:00 AM

      So i got super lost and just finally figured out where I was on the render- way way up north. anyone mind if extend the sky canal to the further north continent?

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        September 28, 2010 10:12 AM

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          September 28, 2010 10:41 AM

          If you guys wait a couple days I'm going to make a video on filling large bodies of water quickly (better than using the checkerboard pattern). Will let you know when I get it done.

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            September 28, 2010 11:26 AM

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            September 28, 2010 12:10 PM

            yes, please! I'm about to embark on a painful journey involving an underground lake =\

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              September 28, 2010 12:13 PM

              It's easy when you know how :)

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                September 28, 2010 12:14 PM

                e.g. me and dnagenome filled the moat around Isengard in, I don't know, an hour maybe? It was super fast.

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        September 28, 2010 10:24 AM

        I'll try not to build my town right under it then when you expand it north.

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        September 28, 2010 10:24 AM

        please do. parts of the map that the sky canal doesn't reach might as well not even exist

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          September 28, 2010 10:25 AM

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            September 28, 2010 10:26 AM

            extremely so. probably unusable :( i break probably 2-3 boats and fall at least once every time i try to use it. this is probably because i suck at minecraft

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              September 28, 2010 10:27 AM

              actually i think if we put a wall around the waterfalls it might be okay. it would prevent your boat from veering out of the waterfall and into freefall

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                September 28, 2010 12:24 PM

                Yea, I imagine something like this would work well (looking down from above):



                ###############
                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                ~~~~~CANAL~~~~~
                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                #####~~~~~#####
                #~~~~~#
                #~~~~~#
                #~~~~~#

                ^^^
                Entrance

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      September 28, 2010 10:10 AM

      Wel, someone burned down my Zen Garden. Thanks, Asshole. I really appreciate you destroying several days worth of work.
      http://sparklyfresh.com/minecraft/zen.png

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        September 28, 2010 10:17 AM

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        September 28, 2010 10:19 AM

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        September 28, 2010 10:21 AM

        Is there a reason the fire nerf from lllamacraft isn't installed? From what it looks like on the forums people are using it just fine with this version of the server.

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          September 28, 2010 10:26 AM

          Not sure, it needs to be though

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          September 28, 2010 10:28 AM

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          September 28, 2010 11:01 AM

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            September 28, 2010 11:02 AM

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            September 28, 2010 11:02 AM

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            September 28, 2010 11:02 AM

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            September 28, 2010 11:03 AM

            The jails only a temporary thing, I know that Merc and foo are trying out some other solutions. They just have lives, and jobs.

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            September 28, 2010 11:13 AM

            Hey man I saw Hey0's but jesus christ getting that to work in the first full week of classes is a nightmare. SQL files? REALLY???

            Jesus christ.

            I also would have advised against the spawn cell, but I wasn't involved in that decision making process.

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              September 28, 2010 11:15 AM

              re: hey0's, did you see this post yesterday? http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=24109300

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                September 28, 2010 11:20 AM

                No I didn't. I'm really interested in getting that up, I'll see if I can do that now real quick.

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                September 28, 2010 11:30 AM

                This is overkill IMO, that's just as inconvenient to ordinary players as the jail. Nerfing fire is a much better solution.

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                  September 28, 2010 11:33 AM

                  Why? It's a one-shot thing, once you're approved and promoted you never have to worry about it again and you can do what you like. If anything it's more inconvenient to the admins.

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                    September 28, 2010 11:36 AM

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                      September 28, 2010 11:37 AM

                      Yeah, let's just nerf everything potentially griefable, fuck this open world emergent gameplay shit

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                        September 28, 2010 11:41 AM

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                          September 28, 2010 11:45 AM

                          There's still numerous ways you can grief without those. e.g. http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=24105413 . Or someone could take a few buckets of water and destroy all the lava near your place. And so on.

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                            September 28, 2010 11:48 AM

                            And someone could easily get permission from an admin and then come back later that day to grief. You can't stop all griefing, the line has to be drawn somewhere.

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                              September 28, 2010 11:49 AM

                              No shit Sherlock. Read my post below. http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=24117969

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                                September 28, 2010 11:52 AM

                                If there's a fire nerf than that's your solution. 90% of the bad griefing incidents involve fire. Griefing by hand is usually trivial to fix.

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                                  September 28, 2010 11:58 AM

                                  I guarantee that if you nerf fire people are just going to grief in other ways. I can personally think of a bunch of ways of doing damage without fire, that I won't share here, because I don't want to give the fuckers ideas. One trivial example is the disappearance of several people's gear from chests.

                                  The real answer is clearly better server logging tools, giving accountability to the griefers. I'm just trying to suggest a solution right now so that we can all build in peace in the meantime.

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                              September 28, 2010 11:49 AM

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                            September 28, 2010 12:24 PM

                            I think the fire on forest thing is too easy to grief, its one action that would takes 10000x work to fix. at least with the other griefing methods its somewhat 1 for 1 in terms of grief work vs fix work. water on lava would suck I guess, but the forest fire is the most annoying

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                    September 28, 2010 11:36 AM

                    also you're never going to be able to nerf everything that is griefable. Lava, fire, TNT, they all have very useful practical applications.

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                      September 28, 2010 11:39 AM

                      Fire(including from lava) has virtually no useful applications, and it's outrageously destructive given how easy it is. TNT only does localized damage and will be very hard to come by when the inventory isn't hackable.

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                        September 28, 2010 12:18 PM

                        Depends what you're building. I'd pretty much require both fire and lava to do Evil Isengard any justice whatsoever.

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                        September 28, 2010 12:29 PM

                        I use lava to light up my caves, lava also has uses for obsidian generation.

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                    September 28, 2010 11:38 AM

                    What if you're a new player checking it out for the first time and no admin is online? New players shouldn't be burdened with heavy restrictions right off the bat, it will make them not even feel like bothering.

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                      September 28, 2010 11:43 AM

                      What if you're a griefer checking it out when no admin is online? I'm not saying it's optimal, I'm saying it's the best we can do at this point, where there are no server logging tools, password protection, or anything else. Yes, it's probably a little too strong, but this is about the 4th griefing incident in the space of a week.

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                      September 28, 2010 11:43 AM

                      They could choose a different server/play single player until an admin comes around?

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                  September 28, 2010 11:34 AM

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                  September 28, 2010 11:42 AM

                  The fire nerf in Llama is spliced together with the Furnace fixes and the Lighter changes. Changed lighters also allow the removal of Adminium, something I am NOT a fan of as it's an irreversible change. It's not documented among the Llamacraft thread how nicely these obsolete changes play, but if Llama were to post the source like many are asking, we could just pull out a fire nerf.

                  I am not introducing the fire nerf from Llama until it is ONLY the fire nerf.

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              September 28, 2010 11:23 AM

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              September 28, 2010 12:45 PM

              The hey0 plugin actually supports both MYSQL or flat text files. There's a conf file setting for it.

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        September 28, 2010 10:43 AM

        :( I feel your pain man

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        September 28, 2010 10:32 AM

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          September 28, 2010 11:31 AM

          oddly that's not the first sexualization of creepers i've seen this week.

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            September 28, 2010 11:34 AM

            ..but definitely the least disturbing...

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            September 28, 2010 12:24 PM

            Do a GIS of "minecraft creeper" with safe search off. Its pretty funny.

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      September 28, 2010 10:31 AM

      How do you get out of a boat? First time I couldn't figure it out, so I had to destroy it, and then I couldn't even recover the wood that dropped.

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        September 28, 2010 10:31 AM

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        September 28, 2010 10:32 AM

        look down and right-click to get out, it won't get destroyed.

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          September 28, 2010 10:32 AM

          well, it probably will get destroyed when you jump out and the boat launches forward, but it won't get immediately destroyed when you right click

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      September 28, 2010 10:35 AM

      Has anyone had an issue where you lose stuff you created in survival SP? Last night Minecraft crashed on me and I lost a huge aerial walkway I'd been building for 15-20 minutes. When I reloaded the game I was where I was when I crashed, had the same stuff in my inventory, but like 3/4 of the walkway I'd built was no longer there.

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        September 28, 2010 10:37 AM

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        September 28, 2010 11:17 AM

        Yeah, I think the world and your position and inventory are saved seperately... so it seems like you can loose one and or the other seperate from the rest.

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      September 28, 2010 11:03 AM

      He hasnt even fucking acknowledged the huge downtime last night?

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        September 28, 2010 11:21 AM

        Everybody is too busy getting their minecraft fix to really care.

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          September 28, 2010 11:22 AM

          Im at work and cant play, so all I can do is be upset I couldnt play it after work yesterday!

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            September 28, 2010 11:25 AM

            This is why I have a single-player game where I can try out wacky shit like rollercoasters and cannons :D

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        September 28, 2010 11:31 AM

        He acknowledged that the site has been going up and down since the weekend, I assume it's still being worked on.

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      September 28, 2010 11:20 AM

      Has anybody had trouble picking up seeds in multiplayer? I tilled some ground which yielded about 3 batches of seeds... but they just floated there and I couldn't pick them up no matter what I did.

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        September 28, 2010 11:31 AM

        It's strangely comforting knowing that some dude did not sit down and create that block by block. The idea of that was just as distrubing as it was impressive.

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          September 28, 2010 11:34 AM

          Minas Tirith, on the other hand...

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            September 28, 2010 11:52 AM

            Hah yes. That is both impressive.. and rather disturbing. :)

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        September 28, 2010 11:44 AM

        oooh ok well THE dome is back at #1 than

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      September 28, 2010 11:42 AM

      How long until I come crawling back to the surface, if I take this stuff down with me?

      http://www.shackpics.com/files/load1_7z3fn5iq0d9pulfagpp8.jpg

      Maybe I should get another stack of wood...

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        September 28, 2010 11:43 AM

        fill up with wood, put it in a chest when you get down there. you'll go through wood faster than you might think for ladders + torches

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          September 28, 2010 11:45 AM

          Hmm, I haven't used ladders, guess I should.

          What a noob.

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            September 28, 2010 11:47 AM

            ladders are great. you can put an empty tile in between each ladder and still be able to climb up, which will help cut down on the amount of wood you need

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            September 28, 2010 11:51 AM

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        September 28, 2010 12:17 PM

        Take a few saplings. plant them in dirt underground and put a torch around each side. Make sure they have enough room to grow. No reason to ever go back to the surface.

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          September 28, 2010 12:19 PM

          also if you want MEGATREES try planting saplings in a 2x2 or 3x3 grid :)

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            September 28, 2010 12:25 PM

            Huh, cool.

            Well I got like 40 saplings left after chopping down a few trees (I replanted them, and more).

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          September 28, 2010 12:30 PM

          Would lava light work? Heh.

          I'm going to take 1 sapling, if it dies that's it.

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          September 28, 2010 12:36 PM

          Trees don't always return a sapling when you cut them down though.

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      September 28, 2010 12:18 PM

      What are the requirements like for servers? I can't play off the same computer I'm running a server on, can I?

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        September 28, 2010 12:53 PM

        Why not?

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          September 28, 2010 1:03 PM

          I'm asking if that's possible for 2-3 players.

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            September 28, 2010 1:05 PM

            Pretty sure 2-3 players can't play on the same physical computer. I mean, think of all the hands on the keyboard. :p

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            September 28, 2010 1:18 PM

            I don't completely understand the question, but you should be fine. The 2 biggest parts of minecraft serving are disk io and bandwidth. Running a server + 1 client from the same pc shouldn't matter.

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      September 28, 2010 12:29 PM

      I am so glad I am mostly avoiding the shack multi servers.

      I look forward to there being more 'game' to the multi, and I admire some of the crazy stuff shackers have built (I'd probably enjoy the cooperative builds, but haven't come across any) but the drama and griefing...and having a hard time finding a little niche area to build in just makes me kinda glad.

      Purely personal opinion - plenty of people are obviously having fun with it.

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        September 28, 2010 12:31 PM

        the drama and griefing are vastly overstated in shack threads. finding your own area is easy, just look on the map render. we've got a huge portion of unused land north of spawn

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        September 28, 2010 12:33 PM

        This is why we need passworded servers.

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        September 28, 2010 12:36 PM

        It's not hard to find a niche area to build. You just walk past all the buildings until you reach an open plain/mountain, then begin building. There's plenty of empty space. For some reason, people choose the busiest area and start building.

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          September 28, 2010 12:37 PM

          My area was empty when I started building... look at it now, lol

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            September 28, 2010 12:43 PM

            It seems like people gravitate toward other structures, but I guess that makes sense from a psychological standpoint.

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        September 28, 2010 12:37 PM

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        September 28, 2010 12:39 PM

        Co-operative builds are THE point of multi at present, and they're by far the best bit of the game so far. When we had 5 or so people a night working on Isengard it was inspiring.

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        September 28, 2010 12:57 PM

        I have been having a blast developing our contient with Podung. Your Momument will have a great tourism business soon!

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        September 28, 2010 1:05 PM

        Are there any Shack servers that are low-population? I'd like to get in on one but don't want to be constantly infringing on someone's "turf".

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          September 28, 2010 1:06 PM

          Seriously, just come onto Merc's server, check out the render before you develop anywhere, and you'll be fine. If they're real worried about their turf they'll build a damn wall around it

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            September 28, 2010 1:45 PM

            Yeah.. and hope that somebody doesn't plan an international highway straight through your shit when you aren't looking. :) But seriously.. it's fun on Merc's server. Even if you don't build.. just walk around and check stuff out.. it's pretty impressive what people have come up with.

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          September 28, 2010 1:24 PM

          Come south on Mercs server, we can give you a plot of land and then some!

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          September 28, 2010 5:08 PM

          My server only 12 people currently.

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      September 28, 2010 12:31 PM

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        September 28, 2010 12:34 PM

        no updates is fine but the server outages for hours at a time are a pretty harsh buzzkill

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          September 28, 2010 12:34 PM

          and to date his response to the outages is basically "lol isn't it cool being successful?"

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            September 28, 2010 1:32 PM

            He still didnt even say anything about the huge downtime last night :(

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      September 28, 2010 12:37 PM

      This may very well get lost in here but...
      Does anyone know of a printable crafting list out there?'
      Google doesn't seem to be turning up anything. Just seems like it would be simpler to be able to flip through it if I have a question rather than alt-tabing and/or pausing.

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      September 28, 2010 1:08 PM

      Down exploring my cave, and I find a little waterfall.

      http://www.shackpics.com/files/waterfall1_dk8fpt7t66pc6ichhj1p.jpg

      Looking at it, something seems weird.

      http://www.shackpics.com/files/waterfall2_hw2q5kn5r8ncux9o20ds.jpg

      Cool, a secret passage!

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        September 28, 2010 1:25 PM

        I wish I could find cool caves like that :D

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          September 28, 2010 1:28 PM

          They're everywhere!

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            September 28, 2010 1:35 PM

            Yeah really. If you wanna "cheat" to find them you can run a cave oizo render.

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              September 28, 2010 1:39 PM

              Everytime I think "god this mining is getting boring" I end up stumbling on a cave. I figured randomly generated caves would get boring awfully quick. No. Even on peaceful mode I shit my pants within a few minutes. I get lost. Second guess how to get out. Wonder if I'm ever going to get out. Then I find the torches I put on the floor to signal my way out and feel relief.

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          September 28, 2010 1:45 PM

          Well looks like I've made my way down to the huge waterfall I found yesterday (like 3 stories high at least).

          I've marked my path with red flowers, if you want to try and find me!

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        September 28, 2010 1:27 PM

        It's a trap!

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        September 28, 2010 1:32 PM

        always check behind waterfalls in games.

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          September 28, 2010 1:40 PM

          That made me laugh on Giantbomb's Halo Reach quicklook. Jeff goes behind a waterfall, just a rock wall. "You always check behind waterfalls!"

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      September 28, 2010 1:34 PM

      I can't login! It just freezes...what's going on????

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        September 28, 2010 1:36 PM

        His login servers have officially begun their nightly shutdown/failure. Aaand its 11:30pm in sweden, so i'm guessing it'll be dead until tomorrow morning when it repeats all over again.

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        September 28, 2010 1:45 PM

        jesus fucking christ and im not even home from work yet to play.

        I am getting really pissed off that I paid for this.

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      September 28, 2010 1:35 PM

      You know how I was saying I bet that some geek, somewhere, is making a computer in Minecraft? Welllll they've gotten up to finishing the ALU (Arithmatic Logic Unit): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGkkyKZVzug

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      September 28, 2010 2:00 PM

      What is the awesome, big, yellow dome called, so I can stop calling it that?

      It's my reference for finding my place, heh.

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        September 28, 2010 2:05 PM

        I submit nemoo's testicle for a default name

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          September 28, 2010 2:10 PM

          And how did you come by nemoo's testicle so that you can submit it?

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            September 28, 2010 2:13 PM

            Say everybody have you seen my balls
            They are big and salty and brown
            If you ever need a quick pick me up
            Just stick my balls in your mouth

            Suck on my chocolate salty balls
            Stick em in your mouth and suck em
            Suck on my chocolate salty balls
            They are packed full of vitamins and good for you
            So suck on my balls

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          September 28, 2010 2:15 PM

          That was a long fucking walk.

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            September 28, 2010 2:16 PM

            Boat is probably fastest way to get here.

            There's more cave past the waterfall, too! Somewhere should be my workbench I set up yesterday.

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      September 28, 2010 2:52 PM

      hahah, I found a zombie spawner so I built a zoo around it:. I think I'm up to 12 zombies now :D
      http://sparklyfresh.com/minecraft/zombies.png

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      September 28, 2010 2:58 PM

      I am super late to the party, but finally bought Minecraft yesterday. OMFG I love this game! And damn I have so little time to play right now.

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      September 28, 2010 3:40 PM

      I have planted my one sapling: http://www.shackpics.com/files/minehome_jzssap69kz88530ownhp.jpg

      Starting to look OK, but I need to clean up the waterfall area so it's easier to see.

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        September 28, 2010 4:20 PM

        Wasn't expecting this!

        http://www.shackpics.com/files/surfaced_s10av7dbkynmnzckfja7.jpg

        Swam up the huge waterfall (it must be ~10 stories total), followed the cave around, did a little digging, and popped out here! In sight of my beacon, and right near the big N I made.

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          September 28, 2010 4:53 PM

          This cave system is so huge, I keep getting lost again. So glad I used red flowers as markers, once I see one of those then I know I've been there, and can follow them in/out.

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        September 28, 2010 4:54 PM

        I would suggest moving those torches further from the sapling. I had trouble growing mine till I had them at least 1 block away from it.

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      September 28, 2010 4:16 PM

      ** Attention Getting Text **

      Started a new world on my server and we need builders, its pretty much a blank slate at this point! Jump on and start exploring!

      I'll get a render up later if I can... Oizomapper seems to have trouble with it giving me a blank output. :(

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      September 28, 2010 5:01 PM

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      September 28, 2010 6:26 PM

      Best way to fill in the water canal: go!

Hello, Meet Lola