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I started up APB last night and when I actually get into combat, I have fun, but so much of the game is spent traveling from one location to another. The sub-par driving doesn't help this and the total lack of player vs. environment content really grates on me for something that is, basically, an MMO.

When my mission is to go "raid" a gang hideout, I expect to actually participate in some sort of "raid", not just press the 'F' key and wait for an item to pop-out of this unguarded hideout.

I'm going to give it a bit more time, but the MMO construct around the shooting is generally detracting from my experience. This isn't promising.

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    July 16, 2010 5:01 PM

    Inception is a fantastic movie. Go see it so we can discuss it!

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      July 16, 2010 5:02 PM

      I saw it today and liked it!

      So at the end: Was it a dream or not a dream? I'm gonna say it was real life because that top was ready to tumble....

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        July 16, 2010 5:06 PM

        its pretty obvious that it was a dream, not sure why you thought it was real

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          July 16, 2010 5:09 PM

          Because the top was ready to fall over before it end? Many people here said it was real life at the end.

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            July 16, 2010 5:14 PM

            I watched it with a large group of people last night, and none of us saw it about to topple over, in fact it spun unrealistically long time hell Ive been reading about this movie all night and this is the first Ive heard of someone thinking that last part was real

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              July 17, 2010 1:23 AM

              it was definitely about to topple over.

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          July 16, 2010 5:10 PM

          What indicates it's a dream? I think that was the point of that storyline once you have that 'inception' of "is this world real?" you'll start assuming it's not therefore the movie gave you that idea and therefore you thought the ending was a dream.

          I'm not sure one way or the other - I think cases for both sides could be made.

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            July 16, 2010 5:15 PM

            The fact that the top kept spinning is what implied it was a dream

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              July 16, 2010 5:22 PM

              But the top was ready to fall over before it cut to black so it's real life, lalalala not listening. ;D

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                July 16, 2010 5:25 PM

                and his kids not aging and wearing the same clothes in the exact same spot?

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                  July 16, 2010 5:28 PM

                  Read my post below about that. :D

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            July 16, 2010 7:24 PM

            I think it is ambiguous on purpose, keeps people talking, keeps the movie interesting

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              July 16, 2010 7:32 PM

              Plus Nolan's always been pretty agnostic on matters of interpretation, most (in?)famously on Memento's commentary.

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          July 17, 2010 9:32 AM

          the top fell during other scenes

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        July 16, 2010 5:10 PM

        It could go either way. If you feel its still a dream shit gets very interesting.

        - The kids look very similar to their dream versions and have almost the exact same post.
        - Michael Caine's character tells Cobb that he "needs to wake up" at the beginning of the movie. Could be a throwaway line.
        - The top looked ready to tumble and then regained its momentum.
        - I believe it was still a dream. Thats why Cobb's memories started infecting other parts of the dream in a way that didn't make sense with the already established rules on architecting a a dream. Note that the movie starts in the middle of a job, we have no idea how they got there.
        - Another theory from AICN: "Cobb has been coerced to join his father (Caine) in Caine's dream reality. Apply everything you know about Cobb's role to Ariadne - she brings Cobb to the deepest levels of his dreams/memories, she tells Cobb to trust her with his deepest secrets, she convinces Cobb to shoot Mal. All this after 'an idea' is implanted in Cobb's brain early in the movie - when Saito suggests that he can live his life happily with his children if he does one more job. They also made the point over and over that only the dreamer can populate a dream landscape - his kids and Mal keep showing up. One last hint - after escaping the van Ariadne states "He'll be fine" - because she orchestrated everything, and the rest of the cast (including Fischer) were part of her team, working for Michael Caine's character. There's no conclusion to the 'Level 4' story because he had already parted with Mal - goal accomplished, at which point the rest of the team (on the plane) woke him up."

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          July 16, 2010 5:11 PM

          *"positions and clothes"

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          July 16, 2010 5:14 PM

          Your post confuses me. Can you draw a picture? :o

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          July 16, 2010 5:15 PM

          A lot of the datapoints for that AICN theory are much more easily explainable in their immediate context. I mean, Ariadne was very curtly explaining the situation to others who weren't there. It's a hell of a stretch, especially since we see him successfully use his totem several times throughout the movie. It could be his OWN dream since he knows what it should be, but it couldn't be Caine's dream because he doesn't know how the top works.

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            July 16, 2010 5:18 PM

            Winner right here^^

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          July 17, 2010 3:47 AM

          Read this prequel comic:
          http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/inception-comic.html

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        July 16, 2010 5:15 PM

        I thought I saw a silhouette of his wife in a window curtain during what was supposed to be reality. I'm forgetting what exactly happened, but I thought there was a point before they started the mission planning that a 'wake-up' for Cobb occurred that wasn't obvious. IMO, whole thing was a dream (kids are same age, etc.).

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        July 16, 2010 5:31 PM

        I think the end was a dream and only saito wakes up from limbo but maybe the rest of the movie was real. Although I guess you never see it stop spinning

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          July 16, 2010 5:33 PM

          Why would Saito even bother with making the phone call in the plane if it was a dream for Cobb at the end?

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            July 16, 2010 5:35 PM

            Because that was what Cobb wanted? That was his out for all of it. If it's his dream, it seems like that's something he'd dream that Saito would do.

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              July 16, 2010 5:37 PM

              So in your mind did anything in this movie happen in real life, and not a dream? Cobb was dreaming the entire movie them? I cannot buy that. :<

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                July 16, 2010 5:51 PM

                Yeah, I think the part with the train, helicopter were real. Like I mentioned above, there was a turning point for me that I can't remember specifically (which is obviously of little help explaining lol). Everything leading up to the mission (all the planning), the mission, and the end were Cobb's dreaming, I'm feeling.

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        July 16, 2010 5:59 PM

        I vote real. The top was wobbling right before cut to credits. imo it was just a cheap trick to induce double take and appease overthinking blowhards.

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          July 16, 2010 6:08 PM

          I agree with this weird shackname. :D

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            July 16, 2010 6:09 PM

            It is a sign of a good movie I think when people want to talk about it afterward though. :)

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              July 16, 2010 6:17 PM

              Agreed, I want to see it again, 1/2 because I enjoyed it a lot, and 1/2 because I'd like an attempt to clear up anything (in case overthinking has gotten the best of me).

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          July 16, 2010 10:11 PM

          i think the ambiguity is to spite the underthinking sucksofts. What do you have to say about the recurring themes of guilt. The repetition of certain phrases from mal, saito, and cobb. The idea that it's a dream is that the 'Inception' is him freeing himself from the guilt of driving his wife to suicide. He attains that in the end

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          July 17, 2010 12:56 AM

          Thats how i felt too, but the fact that it didn't fall was just have the audience draw their own conclusions. I may be a bit presumptuous here, but this ending is on par with the ending of Bladerunner, a perfect sci-fi, open-ended conclusion. I can't stop thinking about it!

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        July 16, 2010 7:47 PM

        I vote dream. One thing I haven't seen people mention is that the kids are sitting exactly where they were when he sees them throughout the rest of the movie, in the same position. Then they finally turn and he can see their faces. That part kind of spells it out for me.

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          July 17, 2010 2:48 AM

          There wasn't any context to how long Cobb has been away though. It could have been 6 months or years. Nolan I think executed a good amount of ambiguity to include keeping the clothing the same so as to limit everything to the Totem.

          Obviously when Cobb turns around he'll see if the Totem was still spinning. The Audience is left to figure that out for themselves.

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      July 16, 2010 5:03 PM

      I was gonna see it @ 3pm today but I got held up @ work :(

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      July 16, 2010 5:03 PM

      Christopher Nolan: great director, or greatest director?

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        July 16, 2010 5:12 PM

        Greatest director of our time, hands down.

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          July 16, 2010 5:12 PM

          What? Dude...uh, not quit

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            July 16, 2010 8:39 PM

            "Our time" being post-80's cinema to me, that's a good 30 years.

            I can't name another director who delivers has consistently and readily as Nolan. Fincher is close but he tends to draw things out and is sometimes afraid to cut the fat and he directed Alien 3 (not his fault...but still). Scorsese has had a bumpy couple of years before "The Aviator". Spielberg is a craftsman, not an artist (nothing wrong with that but his movies don't resonate with the same impact). Woody Allen has put out some absolute shit during the last 10 years so so (Match Point and Vicky Christina notwithstanding). Coppola has basically fallen off the radar making extremely personal films for the last couple of years after not doing shit for an eternity. Cronenberg has been putting out good stuff the last couple of years but he's too niche.

            If you go really arthouse and pretensious and pull someone like Vincent Gallo out of your hat I'm going to find a way to crawl through the internet and punch you in the throat. I'm saying in the last 30 years in terms of making smart, accessible, entertaining films that satisfy - no one touches Nolan.

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              July 17, 2010 12:30 AM

              David Lynch. Paul Thomas Anderson. Lars Von Trier.

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                July 17, 2010 12:31 AM

                And they're not always consistent, but the Coen Brothers have had way more output than Nolan.

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                  July 17, 2010 7:23 AM

                  The Coen Brothers have only made 5 movies together, whereas Nolan has made 7.

                  Also, the Ladykillers remake was shit.

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              July 17, 2010 5:06 AM

              John Hughes.

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                July 17, 2010 7:17 AM

                Oh snap - yeah, good counter point. I love me some Hughes.

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          July 17, 2010 12:00 AM

          lol no. I loved inception, but:

          Wong Kar Wai
          David Lynch
          Joel & Ethan Coen
          Pedro Almodóvar

          I'd argue have all made bigger "imprints" on modern cinema.

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            July 17, 2010 7:21 AM

            Accessible was my follow up. In terms of accessible, mainstream entertainment with brains - Nolan trumps all. I like the directors you picked but you're skirting arthouse with your choices. Cohen bros. being the most mainstream of your choices but they've had a couple weak films (Burn After Reading and the noir they did with Billy Bob Thorton come to mind).

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              July 17, 2010 7:25 AM

              ^ This. Nolan makes quality, and somehow doesn't compromise it for accessibility.

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      July 16, 2010 5:05 PM

      saw it at 10AM this morning and absolutely loved it. joseph gordon-levitt is so dreamy :D

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        July 16, 2010 5:06 PM

        He is the dictionary definition of dapper in this film.

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      July 16, 2010 5:05 PM

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      July 16, 2010 5:05 PM

      It's a fantastic movie I can't wait to see again

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      July 16, 2010 5:07 PM

      Seeing it tonight can't wait! Just a little worried the gf won't like it.

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      July 16, 2010 5:09 PM

      in line right now, I am excite.

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      July 16, 2010 5:15 PM

      Going to see it now!

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      July 16, 2010 5:24 PM

      Probably the best movie I've seen this year

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      July 16, 2010 5:28 PM

      Hijack question:

      For those that thought the end was another dream because of the kids not aging. You don't know how long Cobb was out of the country for, it could have only been a week or something, it never says in the movie. So it's probably left for the audience to pick the ending themselves.

      I think it was real life personally. If it wasn't, whose dream was Cobb in, his own dream? Couldn't be. :(



      And another question I had was this: Why didn't the other people get cobb and saito out of the van when it went in the river? wouldn't they have drowned making them stuck in limbo? Oh but that's where they were already? who trippy :(

      I'm gonna have to go watch this again, haha :D

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      July 16, 2010 5:39 PM

      Should I see this in IMAX or save my money and see it standard-sized?

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      July 16, 2010 5:57 PM

      I will this weekend!

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      July 16, 2010 6:09 PM

      I CAN'T IT'S NOT OUT YET FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK >:(

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      July 16, 2010 6:17 PM

      At it now, waiting for trailers now

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        July 16, 2010 6:18 PM

        If you are at AMC, they will show a behind-the-scenes about Inception. DO NOT WATCH.

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          July 16, 2010 6:25 PM

          Thats incredibly lame.

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          July 16, 2010 6:41 PM

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          July 16, 2010 6:56 PM

          Nothing says "we don't give a flying fuck about movies" quite like AMC.

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          July 16, 2010 7:16 PM

          They play it right before? That's terrible :/

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          July 16, 2010 7:33 PM

          They didn't at mine

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            July 16, 2010 7:39 PM

            Lucky! We got it as part of the 20-ish minute pre-screening promotional package, along with a ABC drama that is basically a ripoff of the Up series of documentaries.

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              July 16, 2010 7:40 PM

              yeah I got that one and some other behind the scenes stuff, but nothing about Inception luckily

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      July 16, 2010 6:43 PM

      This was the first post when I just opened lastestchatty in line waiting for it.

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      July 16, 2010 6:48 PM

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      July 16, 2010 7:06 PM

      Just got back from seeing it. Good movie!

      Spoiler: I'm in the 'it was real' camp.

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      July 16, 2010 7:14 PM

      Back from it. Wow it lived up to the hype! The debate about the ending is funny though I guess it is to be expected, especially on the shack. To me it's obvious that there is no definite answer hence why it ended like it did. Sure its fun to discuss clues and possibilities, but arguing about it is just silly

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        July 16, 2010 8:28 PM

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          July 16, 2010 9:47 PM

          Except that the top was toppling then recovering at least 4 times the exact same way before it cut to black. Looked like they took the footage and looped it
          I say it could go either way, but it sure was spinning a long time.

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            July 16, 2010 10:06 PM

            I'm sure they looped it as you say secondly the rules of that specific totem is if it does not stop spinning then you can't trust the reality, this is laid out directly to you by a character. So when the top doesn't stop spinning in the end i think it's pretty clear. There are of course many other reasons, why it's a dream.

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              July 16, 2010 11:37 PM

              he saw his kids faces and he never was able to see them in the dreams

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                July 17, 2010 2:52 AM

                Those were his memories. He simply refused to in the dreams. That's my take.

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        July 16, 2010 9:26 PM

        ^^^ THIS

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      July 16, 2010 7:14 PM

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      July 16, 2010 7:33 PM

      Now that I think about it, Shutter Island and Inception, if you believe it ends in a dream, have similar endings in that DiCaprio decides he would rather live in a fictional reality.

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        July 16, 2010 7:41 PM

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          July 17, 2010 2:54 AM

          I think Ellen Page being cast was a throwback to her small role on the SNL Digital Short where she kept waking into a dream. Nolan probably saw that same skit at some point, he looks like a kind of guy who watches SNL Digital Shorts.

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      July 16, 2010 7:44 PM

      The end was infuriating

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      July 16, 2010 8:04 PM

      yeah i thought it was great. i have a question though: since they are in a dream and can change stuff there, shouldn't they be able to heal themselves if they get hurt? or was that because of the whole pain is in the mind line? the ending could go either way for me. and ellen page is getting prettier the older she gets i think.

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        July 16, 2010 8:11 PM

        I think it's safe to say their avatars or whatever have all the same physical limitations as they would; same reason they can't just fly or grow big or whatever.

        It's important to note that Nolan's conception of dreaming is deeply intersubjective, and that intersubjectivity strips out a lot of the traditional dream-logic weirdness, if not all.

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          July 16, 2010 8:44 PM

          I'm assuming the architect can set the rules to the dreams by creating a baseline reality, added to the fact it's a chemically-induced dream it doesn't have to be as wacked-out as a purely natural sleep dream.

          Granted, I'd LOVE to see a Gondry directed version of this movie.
          O_o

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        July 16, 2010 9:45 PM

        the subconscious would not respond well to people healing themselves.. like he explains, everytime someone changes something, it upsets the subconscious..

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      July 16, 2010 8:17 PM

      lol plot hole Why didn't his kids just move to Paris?

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        July 16, 2010 10:28 PM

        Because he was accused of murdering his wife and I'd imagine the grandparents had custody

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        July 16, 2010 11:34 PM

        My girlfriend said that! I guess maybe it would have been too dangerous given his job?

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      July 16, 2010 9:21 PM

      That was pretty amazing.

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      July 16, 2010 9:28 PM

      Absolutely loved the ending. I love all you fags arguing about whether it was a dream or not, Nolan succeeded

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        July 16, 2010 9:42 PM

        It was perfect. My train of thoughts went: Oh shit it's a dream after all. Or is it going to fall? Wait this needs to end with a fade to black. Come on fade to black.

        And then boom!

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        July 16, 2010 11:33 PM

        It seemed like something hat they added last minute just to fuck with people, not some grand plot reveal

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          July 17, 2010 2:37 AM

          It's basically just Nolan saying "think what you want, I'm not going to spell it out for you."

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      July 16, 2010 9:33 PM

      was good but it made me want to watch the matrix for the 100th time

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      July 16, 2010 9:56 PM

      23rd of July here in WORLD CUP CHAMPIONS SPAIN

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      July 16, 2010 9:58 PM

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        July 16, 2010 10:03 PM

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        July 16, 2010 10:13 PM

        I'm still giggling at the idea that so much of the action takes place as the van is falling off a bridge.

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          July 16, 2010 10:32 PM

          So fucking good. I'm definitely recommending this movie to my parents to go see tomorrow even though I know they probably won't follow the intricacies of the plot. They'll still appreciate the tension and action.

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          July 16, 2010 10:38 PM

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      July 16, 2010 10:12 PM

      Somebody got a really good plot synopsis they want to share? I'd like to compare notes.

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        July 16, 2010 10:37 PM

        from imdb:

        The Plan:

        Level 0 - reality. Everyone's asleep on the plane.

        Level 1 - the city - Yusuf's dream. He stays there while everyone else gets hooked up to go to level 2, but Saito is slowly dying.

        Level 2 - the hotel - Arthur's dream. He stays in the hotel while everyone else gets hooked up to go to level 3. Saito still dying.

        Level 3 - the mountain - Fischer's dream, but he thinks it's his godfather's dream. Saito dies and goes to Limbo. Inception should occur here, but Fischer dies, thus bringing him to Limbo. Cobb and Ariadne voluntarily enter Limbo.

        Level 4 - Limbo - not a single dreamer's dream, but a collective dreamscape, most of which was built by Cobb and Mal, since they're pretty much the only ones who have been there before.

        The Escape:

        Waiting for the sedative to wear off would take too long, so instead they use kicks. In Limbo, Ariadne and Fischer jump off the edge to wake up in level 3. In level 3, Eades uses explosions to cause the building to collapse and the fall brings them all to level 2. Level 2 had no gravity because the van in level 1 was falling, so Arthur uses explosions to kick them all back to level 1. Once the van hits the water in level 1, they all wake up in reality on the plane

        But Cobb and Saito are still in Limbo. Saito was there longer, so he's now an old man and has built himself an empire. Cobb convinces him that it's a dream.

        Now one of two things happens.

        1. Saito and Cobb used the gun to kill themselves in Limbo and wake up on the plane.

        or 2. Cobb never escaped Limbo. He imagined he did, and convinced himself that he was reunited with his kids, but he was actually still dreaming.

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          July 16, 2010 10:47 PM

          "Once the van hits the water in level 1, they all wake up in reality on the plane." -- this isn't what happens. we don't see exactly how they wake up on the plane, except for Cobb

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          July 16, 2010 11:29 PM

          Yes, I believe #2 at the end. The entire thing doesn't have to be the dream, just after the gunshot is Cobb's limbo

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      July 16, 2010 10:26 PM

      This is an absolutely fantastic movie that succeeded on so many levels. It has an original, intriguing concept of exploring your dreams yet it draws from and integrates ideas from different genres like heist and con movies to action and drama in a way that can be enjoyed by everyone. It has well done action scenes, impressive and varied locales, and some really memorable sequences like the entire zero grav portion that would appeal to almost anyone. Also, after the movie was over I realized that the violence was really tame and I couldn't recall any vulgar language so people who have hangups about that kind of stuff don't have to worry.

      It was just such an exciting movie to watch. I was really hyped going into it and it's really rare for something to not only live up to it, but also surpass my expectations.

      I feel like such a faggot fanboy writing that but I was just really really impressed with Christopher Nolan did with this movie. It further solidifies the fact that he is probably the best director to come along in the past 15 or so years.

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      July 16, 2010 10:28 PM

      I would also like to say that this movie was fucking amazing. I love Christopher Nolan.

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      July 16, 2010 10:36 PM

      I really like how "It was all a dream!" is typically one of the worst and most cliched endings to a movie but in this one it totally works. I hope that Nolan never comes out and says either way whether or the ending was real or a dream. I hate it when directors open their mouths and ruin perfectly ambiguous endings.

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        July 16, 2010 10:39 PM

        I doubt he will. He was so deliberately ambiguous on the Memento commentary, and hasn't done commentaries since. He's very much a believer that the movie speaks for and should stand by itself.

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          July 16, 2010 10:42 PM

          I think ultimately in these cases it should be looked at more on a broader level. There should be interpretations of things. You can look at plenty of books, plays, short stories and get great interpretations. I think that's where the focus of this should go. I think there are some that are probably more complex and rewarding than the obvious ones and it should be looked from that point of view rather than 'right' vs 'wrong'

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            July 16, 2010 10:48 PM

            Interpretation of plot details seems insignificant, though. Shouldn't the focus of artistic interpretation focus on meaning and intent?

            Note that I loved Inception. But my entire theater laughed out loud as the credits rolled, and I felt the same way.

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              July 16, 2010 10:49 PM

              the focus of

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              July 16, 2010 11:08 PM

              I agree, but one must look at how cobb changes in order to intepret it's meaning in the context of the themes. I think everyone can gree the overreaching theeme was one of Guilt, Regret, and the true nature of reality. Maybe 'it is what we make it. In this sense, the plot details make sense if they are a fabricated reality. Theres no real redemption for Cobb if all he does is get his kids back. The more compelling outcome is that he has embraced his own inception - that wherver he is isn't really 'reality' and he has found that inception is possible so why not create something worth living in. Free from being 'a sad lonely man full of guilt and regret'

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                July 16, 2010 11:14 PM

                I was hoping more that the ambiguity itself would lend to a satisfying interpretation. Clearly none of the plot lines were important to the vision for Inception, or they would have likely made the final cut. Perhaps that's the point - that Cobb's final mental state, and not how or why he got there, is really what's important.

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          July 16, 2010 10:45 PM

          yes, it's very much like memento, which i always considered deliberately ambiguous despite all the people who said they had a definite answer

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        July 16, 2010 10:40 PM

        The only thing bad about such an ending is it sets off the type of people who solely focus on that and fucking nerd out over it and disregard the rest of the two and half hours they just experienced. But that's a problem with the viewer and not the movie.

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      July 16, 2010 10:38 PM

      i'm gonna give a shoutout to edgar allan poe here:

      A Dream Within A Dream

      Take this kiss upon the brow!
      And, in parting from you now,
      Thus much let me avow-
      You are not wrong, who deem
      That my days have been a dream;
      Yet if hope has flown away
      In a night, or in a day,
      In a vision, or in none,
      Is it therefore the less gone?
      All that we see or seem
      Is but a dream within a dream.

      I stand amid the roar
      Of a surf-tormented shore,
      And I hold within my hand
      Grains of the golden sand-
      How few! yet how they creep
      Through my fingers to the deep,
      While I weep- while I weep!
      O God! can I not grasp
      Them with a tighter clasp?
      O God! can I not save
      One from the pitiless wave?
      Is all that we see or seem
      But a dream within a dream?

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      July 16, 2010 10:43 PM

      Another thing that nobody has mentioned that I noticed is the fact that if it is all a dream, maybe Mal really did wake up when she killed herself. And maybe her persistence in his dreams was some sort of outside influence by her part to try and get him to wake up too.

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          July 16, 2010 10:48 PM

          i think Cobb's comments at the end about how she's just an imperfect copy based on his memories pretty much torpedoes this theory

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        July 16, 2010 10:49 PM

        Also. As much as I did like it, I couldn't help feel that some of the action scenes were really lackluster. A lot of bullets being shot at close range and not hitting anything. And the fact that a lot of it involved guys shooting machine guns into a van full of sleeping people and nobody got hit just was a little unbelievable for me. It felt like they tried to pack too much simultaneous action, with the van chase, the hotel fight scenes, and the snow base raiding all going on at the same time. And the editing and pacing of those scenes made it seem like they were all on the same timeline until the very end, when the van was going off the bridge and the time dilation finally was presented accurately. I wish it would have been more accurately paced between the 3 layers. And it would have been cool to see an action seen in a layer above played at the time from the layer below, such as when the van was going in slow motion.

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          July 16, 2010 11:01 PM

          The action is generally the least interesting thing about Nolan's films. Things like the chase in Mombasa felt tacked on and wasn't executed well enough to justify it being there. That said, the idea behind the action in the car chase/hotel fight/snow scene carried it for me bigtime, still loved it.

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          July 17, 2010 1:04 AM

          yah, for sure.

          the gunfighting isn't on the level of say, michael mann

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          July 17, 2010 3:14 AM

          I thought it worked well in the context of it being a dream. I mean it presented itself as a danger but really it just goes to say since the security was based on the mark's subconscious it wasn't that well trained otherwise why wouldn't they call in the attack helicopters and tanks?

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        July 16, 2010 11:14 PM

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      July 16, 2010 11:31 PM

      Inception more like inloltion

      It wad pretty fucking good

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      July 17, 2010 12:03 AM

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        July 17, 2010 12:10 AM

        Yea, I think that + Eastern Promises had two of the best "fight scenes" I've seen in the past few years.

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        July 17, 2010 12:29 AM

        Yes! I have been waiting for a zero-g fight scene for the longest time. I just figured it'd be in space.

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        July 17, 2010 3:11 AM

        Yes! That was some very creative choreography.

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      July 17, 2010 12:16 AM

      So is there going to be DLC where I get the real ending?

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      July 17, 2010 12:30 AM

      Holy crap this movie was awesome.

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      July 17, 2010 12:59 AM

      LOVED IT.

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      July 17, 2010 1:09 AM

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        July 17, 2010 1:19 AM

        If you bring that up, then the question of the cillian murphy character recognizing all his co-passengers on the plane also matters.

        hmmm... i think "inception" is all about planting the idea so deep and strongly that it comes from the subconscious self. the cillian murphy character probably doesn't remember much if any detail from the dreams (maybe a function of the sedatives used?), but he comes away with a strong reinterpretation of his father's final wish.

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          July 17, 2010 1:33 AM

          I believe there was also a point at which Cobb had mentioned that it took years of training to be able to accurately remember the dreams?

          It seemed like the most he would likely 'remember' from the dream would be spurts of Deja Vu. That was the impression I got when he looked at Cobb while passing in the airport.

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        July 17, 2010 4:04 AM

        You mean Eames, disguised as Browning, right? He wasn't dropping his disguise, it was just some artistic license to remind you that it was Eames.

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      July 17, 2010 1:11 AM

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      July 17, 2010 1:35 AM

      argue about the plot any way you want, it just cements inception as one of the best films i've seen in the last few years. i feel like going back just to catch the IMAX version alone

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      July 17, 2010 2:51 AM

      Did you guys notice that "The Forager" character played by Tom Hardy was the same guy who played Shinzon from Star Trek Nemesis?

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      July 17, 2010 3:10 AM

      The execution of the story is great. Here's some not terribly spoilerish stuff I liked but I will spoiler them to benefit folks who haven't seen it yet:

      - Who created the shared dreaming tech? It wasn't any one person they met, that would have been too dumb. I liked how it was explained away as something the military dreamt up and invented. I like how it's something that doesn't exist but would if it had a military application in some way. So they explained it perfectly without tying it too deeply into the plot. It exists and they use it.

      - The humor was well implemented. I liked how it was more applicable to the character who was being funny and everyone else didn't need to laugh at it. So you were more like laughing with the characters rather than at them. People were a friendly level of being dicks to each other and when someone was having fun it was their fun.

      - The use of "foreshadowing" so to speak. They drop in tidbits of info that move the story along but they have deeper rooted meaning as the film progressed to the climax.

      - A Climax that steadily built up. Each thing they did was to move on to the next. There wasn't a lull in the movie I felt and so pacing was very good. Also excellent use of that whole well timed kick so they kind of layered the climax together real well.

      There's still a lot left to think and digest about this movie. I want to see it again but I feel that I should wait a bit. There was a lot to take in that built on each other and this is a great discussion movie amongst those who saw it. I think this movie will have great word of mouth advertising because it nails the social experience well.

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      July 17, 2010 3:25 AM

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        July 17, 2010 4:05 AM

        You can't kick someone who is more than 1 level lower. Cobb was in limbo, hence why he couldn't come out.

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        July 17, 2010 4:34 AM

        Kicks and gravity changes only affect people awake in the level below the level they happen in. So everyone asleep in the hotel wouldn't have felt it. However, Arthur should have woken up, because he was the only one awake in the level below the van level. Perhaps they took some precautions to prevent this, or there's a plot hole.

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        July 17, 2010 5:50 AM

        Yeah this confused me as well. Another one (posted in another thread):

        I thought time was infinite in Cobb's deepest dreamstate...so why the rush to get Saito before the kick occurred?

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          July 17, 2010 6:02 AM

          Being down there for so long can turn people's minds into mush. Imagine being down there for longer than a lifetime, all by yourself.

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            July 17, 2010 7:59 AM

            Oh, your point being that no one should stay longer than they had to, because of the ill consequences? Yeah I guess I can buy that, even Cobb seemed slightly out of it when he was at the table with Saito at the end.

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        July 17, 2010 7:43 AM

        Maybe he wasn't sedated like the other guys, giving him control? Remember they only needed sedation to go 3 levels

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      July 17, 2010 7:57 AM

      Totally agree, amazing stuff! I just want to try not to think about it too hard, because even if there are cracks in the armor it wouldn't help me to know what they are. Overall it played out in a very natural and clever way while I was watching it, and that's the important thing.

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      July 17, 2010 9:31 AM

      i give it a 6 out of 10. all the visually cool scenes were in the trailer... and the way the machines worked was retardo... how do you block out text? so i can explain why the machine was retardo?

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