Morning Discussion

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• hmmm I will once I finish the game - I'm enjoying it a lot : Nitrium
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  you IMPLORE me. : jvox
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    Yes...I implore you! : warcrow
    • you always were a one for fancy words : jvox
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  This is torture. I want to read it. But I just started playing the game on Sunday. GARGH : mrwolf710
  • It's nothing earth shattering, just some guys weed theories. Play the game and tag this post for later. : ryuuseki
  • Don't bother. It's just some Internet nerd's attempt to mind fuck the straight-forward plot of the game.... : ThomW
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  Interesting interpretation. Using the game mechanics to illustrate the theory is an amusing conceit, and ... : Fyunch Click
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    It's an interesting perspective--and so us yours. I don't understand how it would be considered mocking t... : warcrow
    • It would be the writers mocking the rather limited systems of the mechanics, the things that make the gam... : Fyunch Click
• I think that may actually be the intended interpretation. I'd hope so at least. Makes too much sense. Tha... : gooblerampling
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  interesting interpretation, but i think he's reading way too much into it : qwpeoriu
  • My thoughts exactly. Cool way to look at things, but probably going a bit too deep. : VictoriouSecret
• what an incredibly interesting idea. : slickdoody
• I'll have to read this after I finish it. : prime8
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  Related question. What was up with the (Side mission spoiler) "I know you" quest? Is that just someone he : PointlesS76
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    Is that the one with the guy with a black top hat and suit? If so then click this next spoiler tag. If no : warcrow
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      I thought he was God, since John said 'Damn You' and the stranger said 'Yes, many have!' Also, notice : dumb.
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        I wish I didn't read that second one. Haven't finished it yet :( : PointlesS76
        • Ditto. Fuck! : Wadmaasi
        • That's why they're spoilers! : ZTac
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        Yeah, he's very clearly God due to that line and several others. I can see how you might make the Satan p... : rudds
        • Hrm, I only ran into him once. This cuts it, I'm playing through it once more. : warcrow
        • He could also be interpreted as Death. : Conan
      • oh shit, i didn't even realize that : vov1n
      • Whoa fuck now i have to replay this just to see that last part... fucking amazing game, goddamn.. : Zollington
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    I don't think I ever finished all his missions. It's too bad he disappears after you finish the story. : Haxim
    • Yeah, I did everything in the game except his missions. I wish I hadn't missed them. : pandastrong
    • Here's how his mission ends: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m997QFCEHHk Warning: Don't watch this if : dumb.
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    Can I get to this mission if I've beaten the game? Or, am I fucked for 100% of the game since I never ... : eonix
    • it doesnt count towards 100% completion : pandastrong
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      You can't do it, but it doesn't count towards 100%. : Haxim
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        So is this not a stranger mission? I thought they counted.. Either way, I'm watching this now to get c... : eonix
        • there are 19 stranger missions, but only 18 count towards 100% : pandastrong
• I will try to remember to read this when I finish red dead redemption tag RDR : marmite
• He gives SpaecKow a run for his money in reading message into a game where none exists, at least. : Conan
• i will check out this red dead alternate ending when i finish the game : Unleashed

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  I fail to see how getting the one product that "everyone" is getting would even in theory make one "cool"... : ramshot
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    When there is nothing else left to rebel against the coolest thing that can be done is to conform. : theghostofsmdever
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      It worked for Tank Girl. http://ashleybambaland.blogspot.com/2007/01/tank-girl.html : Alice O'Connor
      • This philosophy is how I am going to save broken Britain. I am going to get the kids back into uniforms a... : theghostofsmdever
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    Every time I use my iphone in public I am so worried about intelligent people calling me a peon. : gmd
    • Heh, yeah, I'm sorry. I just had to throw that word in there, I'm usually not into these sorts of posts. ... : ramshot
  • My current hand-held telephone was relatively low-end even when it came out in 2006. It can kind of run J... : Alice O'Connor
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    That is because you're a nerd. : not work safe
    • Now that there is the truth. : ramshot
• You are cool, Alice, you are very cool. : freshyk
• They have telephones in the UK? I thought you all just communicated via vuvuzelas. : snot3353
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  O2 said you have to queue at their stores on the morning of the 24th. First come first served. Apple t... : marmite
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    O2 can get fucked, then. So that leaves Orange, Vodafone or simply waiting for a few months then casually... : Alice O'Connor
    • if you wait a few months then it won't be cool : gmd
    • I'm going with the wait a few months approach. If I get one asap then it will get boring sooner and th... : marmite
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      O2 can get fucked regardless, their data coverage is shite. Orange are the way forward in that regard at ... : node
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        Has it been revealed who is getting the iphone 4? O2 and Orange or just O2? : Klebold
        • I heard Vodaphone as well : nodebug
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          All of them actually. : node
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            thank you nodes. I am quite surprised that there is competition.. but i really shouldn't be. The more net... : Klebold
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              I think Apple dictate the price so I don't think it'll be cheaper any time soon. : marmite
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                it is a bit reaching to assume that apple dictates tarrifs, minutes and data plans. : Klebold
                • So much of the money goes to Apple that the margin the phone companies have to play with is very small. I... : peanut-
      • Orange, you say? Lovely, ta. I registered my interest! I am interest. I hope their tethering charges a... : Alice O'Connor
• Alice if I'm honest I think the iPhone maybe too much cool for you. You might want to start out with an i... : massdev
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  I really want one and I'm tempted to buy one when I'm there :( : abrasion
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    What dates are you here again? : marmite
    • 01/07 -> 31/07, including shackmeet on 18'th :) : abrasion
• its edible. : crypt420
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  Why not get an Android phone? In my honest opinion they're much better. Any old goat can get an iPhone, n... : Broken Canoe
  • Android phones are great if you want to be that loser without an iphone who tells everyone how is phone i... : gmd
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  iPhone is the dog's bullocks. Only daft wankers waste their quid on Android rubbish. Pip pip, crumpets. : eseiat
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    Did you just call Alice crumpet? : node
    • I'm the thinking Bethnal Green tramp's crumpet. : Alice O'Connor
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      I think he called her pip pip : tometome
      • cheerio : Hemtroll
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  You should get a Droid because nothing is cooler than having a phone named after what is going to destroy... : Crimsonbeak
  • That's not true, unless George Lucas has a fiendish new plot. Or a country which doesn't respect copyrigh... : Alice O'Connor
• get a nexus one instead. : steve_o
• Get an iPhone because it's the best phone on the market - Can't get much simpler than that! You'll spe... : Durajim
• Alice get a droid you know you want to : PlanetPerfecto

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  I've been having problems since yesterday, I saw a Google rep on their boards acknowledge that everyone w... : heyrobscott
  • i'm looking at a new email in my gmail inbox that's unread, and no matter how many times i check on my ip... : xxiv
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    I think BGR was reporting the Google issues are on Google's end (being overwhelmed). Another site (maybe ... : prime8
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      bgr? : xxiv
      • Boy Genius Report : prime8
    • Google overwhelmed? Are they not hosting this service in their cloud like GMail? : fatman
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  1) when I woke up this morning I checked my email from my phone, like I do every morning, and it said I h... : zerog83
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    my works exchange email works fine on my phone, it just seems to be gmail for me. : xxiv
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      my work exchange works fine as well... I mean my gmail showed no messages, but when I got into work and o... : zerog83
      • oh right, yeah same issue. : xxiv
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  Yep, I got one of these: "This email is to confirm that your delivery will occur on June 23rd. " What's... : mrtony
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    I wasn't lucky enough to get through with the apple.com :( : prime8
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      It's good you don't work with me. I'm going to rub my new iPhone in their face so much that by the time ... : mrtony
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        oh what's up faggots, nice iphone4 i see you FINALLY got around to getting one. that shit is so wednesday... : xxiv
        • Apple Elitism cuts both ways. : mrtony
      • It's going to be hilarious if you can't activate your phone because it's not the 24th. : jasonepowell
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  my order status used to say: "qty ordered: 1" "qty backordered: 1" now qty backordered is 0. i hop... : FrayLo
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    lesson learned i guess: never order from att, refresh on apple like your life depends on it. : xxiv
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      i just wanted to get an order in, and att.com responded : FrayLo
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        yeah i meant for next time : xxiv
        • oh sweet i think i have a tracking number! btw check ur sm : FrayLo
  • Damn I am still at qty backordered... it seems most of the orders on this status ordered through Premier.... : inc77
• Mine says 23rd too :D overnight shipping no less. I think I did the right thing by going into the store, ... : copy paper
• GMail via Exchange (for push) seems much slower than normal, but is working for me, at least right now. ... : genom
• ah yeah 23rd as well, nice, my shipping still doesn't have my apartment number though so I am leaving tha... : gmd
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  Your iPhone will deliver on June 23rd Dear Apple Store Customer, You recently received a Shipment N... : EricZBA
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    NOT FAKE http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/22/iphone-4-arriving-one-day-early-on-june-23rd/ YESSSSSSSSSS... : EricZBA
    • funny thing is mine initially got marked as junk mail. that's the first time I ever had an email from ap... : mrtony
    • Yup, mine is coming tomorrow. :) : phipple
• I'm running Ios4 on my 3Gs and while mail is fine, any app that connects to the interwebs (WC2010, Shack,... : RobTheZombie
• Lucky bastards I have to wait till the 14th =[. : irrerno
• I've discovered the google apps push slowness and http://www.tuaw.com/2010/06/21/google-apps-issues-with-... : Jonathan
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  Anyone's Fedex tracking # from AT&T actually working yet? : owly
  • no, i'm on the phone now, and the rep doesn't know a damn thing about this : vov1n
  • mine does! Says tomorrow. : copy paper
  • Mine either, about to get on the horn with AT&T : Matto357
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    I just called my store that I preorder from. They told me everything was good even though my Fedex track... : RyDogg1
    • I had the same thing with my credit card, RyDogg1. my preauth disappeared last Thursday, got my shipping ... : zerog83
  • Mine still isn't working. : prime8
  • I got off the phone, I had the same issue as RyDogg did and the answer is this: FedEx to move on June ... : vov1n
  • Mine. Says tomorrow as well. : phipple
  • So I was just told by an AT&T rep that no ones phone has actually shipped yet. I'm gonna call back and c... : Matto357
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  I ordered from AT&T "Premiere" and yet my order still doesn't say shipped. It was at like 7 AM Eastern to... : tashtego
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    just noticed this in my order confirmation- "Pre-orders will be fulfilled beginning June 24, 2010". : tashtego
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      Don't lose hope buddy. I ordered my 16gb at 8:30am EST via premier and got a shipping notice yesterday. ... : liqker
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        qty ordered: 1, qty backordered: 1 I ORDERED BEFORE YOU WTF!!! : tashtego
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          This morning before I got a tracking number listed on the website (btw it wasn't emailed to me yet) my qt... : FrayLo
          • mine still hasn't shipped why did you get my hopes up FrayLo : tashtego
  • Just got a tracking number from the website. Ordered through AT&T/premiere. : FrayLo
  • I ordered through AT&T Premiere and still no word on shipping. I've lost hope that I'll be getting mine ... : rossimo
• Status: In Transit Shipped To: CHESTERFIELD, VA, US Shipped/Billed On:06/21/2010 yessssssssssss : indosauros
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  Yes, definitely having google mail problems. IT ANGERS ME. : Clay
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    I switched back to the "Gmail" account type from Exchange, and it works hunky-dory now. : tashtego
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      Does push work on the gmail account type? : Enraged Pineapple
      • dunno, but I'd rather have working email w/o push for now until the Exchange problems get fixed. : tashtego
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  How do you prevent apps from always being sent to the background instead of being closed? : Clay
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    you don't - super homo : multisync
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      yeah i compulsively close them because i can't shake the feeling it'll slow my phone down or kill the bat... : xxiv
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        All you are doing is removing an icon from a list. Even with fast app switching, my understanding is that... : tashtego
        • good to know, thanks : xxiv
      • same thing happens to me :( : Nitrium
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      are you kidding? that's awful. : Clay
      • it's multitasking - done right : multisync
      • Why? : mrvandelay
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        Remember that this isn't like WinMo multitasking. Those apps are not running. they are suspended to ram. : LoioshDwaggie
        • And that's only if they support fast app switching. The only things apps can actually do if they're r... : tashtego
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          Nope, the apps that don't support the new multitasking are still running and using battery. It's annoying... : pancake humper
          • No, they're not. That's not how iOS4 multitasking works at all. : tashtego
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            No, they aren't. Apps that don't support the new multitasking are effectively killed -- the entry in the... : walker270
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              Why is it in the multitasking entry then if it's closed? I have to micro-manage my multitasking list now? : pancake humper
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                It's an app switcher, not a list of running processes. : tashtego
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                  but why even keep the icon in the list if it doesn't support their 'true' app-state multitasking? : pancake humper
                  • Magic elephants buttfucking Jesus. : walker270
                  • Cause that is some nerdy shit people shouldn't need to know about, and it is actually nice to have a plac... : vigilante
                  • It's a recently used apps list so you move back and forth easier. I've been using it a lot even without ... : Barnahog
              • It's not a task manager. : BouillonCubes
          • um, no : opengl128
      • I agree, I forget every fucking time I 'close' an app. I'd love to set about 15 different things to never... : abrasion
      • freedom from closing apps : [fry]
    • that's just plain stupid. : Mad Brahmin Disease
  • Apple has made a multitasking system that works brilliantly for the non-nerds and drives the OCD techies ... : copy paper
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    Ok , there are some misconceptions in this subthread... When you exit an app: * it's current state is... : SqueegyTBS
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      Also, apps do not have to explicitly support "fast app switching". It's automatic across all apps, no ma... : SqueegyTBS
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        I don't think that parts true -- an app that doesn't support "fast app switching" is restarted when you g... : walker270
        • Well maybe the app just has to be compiled with a Base SDK 4.0 then. But I know that there is nothing in... : SqueegyTBS
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    You can't close an app. Removing it from the task manager just removes the icon. : BouillonCubes
    • Not true at all. This action quits the app. It's sitting in RAM in the background, and when you tap the : SqueegyTBS
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  Woah sweet, 3G has folders. : not work safe
  • And unified mail inboxes and you can edit playlists from the phone now. : Mad Brahmin Disease
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  How the fuck do I quickly get to my favorites now? The whole no double tap anymore for that is pissing m... : Matto357
  • I hope there's an easy way. I haven't upgraded yet but that will annoy the shit out of me. : nakedsavage
  • Buy a 3G? coz it still works here :(. : Jonathan
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    Settings/general/home button/phone favorites? : Morgin
    • I'm pretty sure that option no longer exists since a double-click is how you access the new app switcher.... : nakedsavage
• shipping notification says i have to call some # to activate my phone, and they're only open between cert : FrayLo
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  I have no desire to upgrade to IOS4. Unless it allows me to play music from itunes while playing ANY gam... : lukej1337
  • buy an iPhone4 and play games on that - music on your touch. WIN : multisync
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    the ipod touch isn't getting multitasking : electroly
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      Oh really! Then I'll upgrade. I didn't want the multitasking to slow down the basics. : lukej1337
      • also I'll be getting an ipod4 whenever they release those : lukej1337
      • ... : askedrelic
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        i thought you had no desire to upgrade unless it had multitasking? : electroly
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          Unless it let me specifically multitask in that specific way. If it didn't allow that - it wasn't worth t... : lukej1337
          • there isn't any overhead if you're not using apps specifically written to be multitasked. apps will stil... : electroly
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      I just went to apples site. It will do multitasking on 3rd gen touch - so I won't be upgrading unless the... : lukej1337
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        aaand bluetooth keyboard support wins : lukej1337
        • also I forgot that this version allows PDFs to be stored in ibooks. so I'm game : lukej1337
      • Folders? : Dontdrop
    • On a 3rd gen iPod Touch, and multitasking works : Dontdrop
    • Jailbreak it and it does have multitasking. Also backgrounds. They both work just fine. : terath
  • If you want to do that jailbreak. : Dontdrop
  • 3.x can do this, but it's up to the game. The game declares how it wants to handle system audio. If the... : SqueegyTBS
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  does the iphone 4 have a better mic? I did some recordings yesterday of 2fast2furious and the sound coul... : gmd
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    are you really recording your car sounds gmd : [fry]
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      of course fry, I am doing extensive exhaust comparisons as I go reckless speeds on public roads : gmd
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        Start a podcast called From the Tailpipe : Dave-A
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          made for dragons : gmd
          • by dragons : xxiv
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        Did you get an aftermarket exhaust? I don't remember. I will make a competing video but with my stock BMW... : FrayLo
        • no I just did a stock exhaust recording of 3k rpm in first to 2nd, 3rd and then backing off for 15-20 sec... : gmd
  • i dunno but i hope to christ the speakers are louder. : xxiv
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  Perfect. My phone is coming tomorrow but I won't be home. Dare I pre-sign and hope nobody steals it? :\ : aggressor
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    that all depends on where you live. house, sure just note on the form to please put it out of sight on yo... : xxiv
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      It's gonna be an inside job. Some FedEx driver is gonna know what's up and pocket it and then I will cry : aggressor
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        Yeah, there's no way in hell I'd pre-sign for this. : Colleton
        • I think I might have to :( Unless I can pick it up after 7pm or whatever that same day? : aggressor
    • Secured building + concierge = a winner is me : FrayLo
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  this happens every year on the delivery thing. your package will get delayed a day. you wont get it early... : rtrson
  • Except there is an email directly from Apple stating they will be delivered tomorrow for some customers. : aggressor
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  Where is your iPhone? Mine is in Anchorage, Alaska. Fly swiftly to me in Florida little iPhone. Fly, Fl... : Colleton
  • Mine was in Alaska but is now visiting Elvis in Tennessee. Hopefully it will get to Texas tonight so it c... : EricZBA
  • It says mine is on a truck out for delivery. Now I want to go home just in case haha. : tfboc
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    yep alaska : xxiv
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      mine is in jersey sucka : gmd
      • i have it on good authority that they are teleporting mine to my door in order to meet tomorrows deadline... : xxiv
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  HELP! I was previously jailbroken and had the 5 icon dock. I forgot to remove my iPod app from the botto... : Thud
  • Haha, I guess we just figured out how to delete built in apps! : SqueegyTBS
  • you probably need to re-jailbreak. : manero
  • it just gets moved to another page - safari was the same way for me : multisync
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  What do you think the chances are of walking into an AT&T store and buying one within the next two weeks?... : nakedsavage
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    They should receive some every day or every few days, but people may line up to get them all as the shipm... : yakz
    • Oh wait, I was thinking Apple store. No idea about AT&T stores. : yakz
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    that's my plan : onji
    • Me too. : SgtPepper78
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  Mine has not shipped yet :( : byorn
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    neither has mine, and I placed my order before FrayLo whose order did ship. SO PISSED : tashtego
    • At least you have an order. I gotta star wars that shit :( : SqueegyTBS
• Mine will be here tomorrow too! : BouillonCubes

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• I loved that game one of my all time favorites. : RogerDandy
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  Minor spoiler here, although it's worthwhile to know: if you don't recruit Sten and/or Leliana before you : Vincent Grayson
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    are they good to have? : mindmann
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      Sten is the best melee damage character in the game. Leliana is the best archer, though that's a dubious ... : ChibiJosh
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        What stat governs being able to unlock chests? I haven't been able to yet. If one party member has the ab... : at0micgarden
        • Cunning and yes only that character. : deject
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        Leilana's also hot. : Arctic Fox
        • "I can do that for you..." Oh yes, yes you can. : rick
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          Her default appearance wasn't to my liking, but there are various mods on Dragon Age Nexus that fix her h... : The Grolar Bear
          • hahahhahaha : Arctic Fox
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        Leliana is great to have because you need a rogue to open shit for you, and Arrow of Slaying is fucking a... : deject
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          My one major nitpick with the game is that your character should by proxy use the current party's highest... : bipolar
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            I think its a lot closer to 100% than 99% too. I don't recall finding anything useful in chests :/ : IrreverentDiscourse
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              But the xp works out to at least a level or two over the course of a game. : bipolar
              • i believe it. the OCD in me had me going back to places I knew I left chests (because I wrote them down)... : IrreverentDiscourse
            • I remember finding a nice weapon in one (but sucked compared to what I already had). Also a fuckton of p... : valael
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        man, what's with the archer hate. they crank out more damage than anyone! : the_doctor
        • Plus they are quite good against melee / area of attack bosses. : enyakk
      • I liked Leliana and her bard abilities. Never bothered to use Sten, didn't see much point in a 2h warrio... : valael
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        super secret leilana spec: full ranger spec (summon mega bear ftw), full archery, bard song on that enha : Downforce
        • this is essentially how i had her built. a little weak to start off with but once you get some money and : IrreverentDiscourse
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        My Sten always dies. Useless bloody Qunari. : Snuffles-
        • Mine did too for a while. Then I added the ability that lowers his threat during combat as part of his ta... : kelzmelzer
    • Leliana's sidequest is my favorite in the game, and there's a moment during it that is one of my all-time... : bipolar
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    Awesome, I already got Leliana (I think, she's the one in the bar where you have to fight the bad tyrn's ... : at0micgarden
    • Yeah you can easily miss Lelaina : Crimsonbeak
• If you've just come across Sten you're probably... 10% of the way through the game. : ChibiJosh
• That auto screenshot upload is a cool feature! Didn't know about it. : code-e255
• Don't do what I did and miss the other character in that town before you leave. : SeaLlama
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  Hijack: Anyone know if there is a way to activate my physical copy of DA:O on Steam? I hate worrying abou... : gooblerampling
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    I doubt it. : The Grolar Bear
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      Nope, you can't. https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7480-wusf-3601 : The Grolar Bear
      • Ah, well. Thanks. : gooblerampling
      • Woah, that's weird. You can activate a copy of Defense Grid you bought from Direct2Drive on Steam? : Haxim
  • You can activate the key with the EA Download Manager. : enyakk
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  City Elf is probably the second worst origin (well, maybe 3rd worst / 4th best)! Wait until you play eit... : bipolar
  • Yeah, I liked Human Noble (I have yet to play Dwarf Noble, but I heard that was the best one). The mage o... : The Grolar Bear
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    I saw the Human Noble origin being played and it was really cool. At first I thought the City Elf story w : at0micgarden
    • Yeah, it's still a decent origin with a good storyline, but the dwarf ones kick its ass :) I even enjo... : bipolar
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  If I'm making a new character for the expansion Dragon Age: Origins: Awakenings whats the best character... : Jenings
  • mage that specializes in arcane warrior, spirit healer, and battle mage can tank just as well as any warr... : valael

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  it sounds microsoft... ::puts on sunglasses:: is about to be diskinected from their attempts to compete h... : spiderfill
  • AFFIRMATIIIIIIIVVEE : Hemtroll
  • I would have replied with a "YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!" But this was just terrible... : hobohun7er
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  kinect is a lot more technology then Move. I can understand that price, but I probably wont pay it : maulla
  • Yeah and it sounds like Move is actually kinda ropey and laggy. Be interesting once there are proper hand... : node
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    Kinect is mostly software, the hardware is really simple. Hardware-wise there's actually more in Move, I ... : jcupitt
    • Even if that's the case, software is technology : derelict515
• Maybe there will be an "Arcade" version that doesn't actually do motion sensing at all. It's just a camer... : not work safe
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  Amazon is taking Kinect pre-orders for $150 as well. : Arctic Fox
  • Yeah, Amazon basically confirmed the price. : jingletard
• Until they get a couple absolutely fantastic games built around this, I will pass. : VictoriouSecret
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  how much would you pay for it? tree fiddy I'd say about $80. : biskits
  • Maybe £5? I mean. I'm imagining me in a shop. And Kinect is there and it's marked down to £10. I th... : marmite
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    Nothing. I really hate this trend in gaming. Huge gimmick. : FormerHPB
    • ^^^^^ : eeeealmo
    • My thoughts exactly. : dumb.
    • Signed. : Phil
    • ^^^^^^^second this old man. : askedrelic
    • Agreed. : CrustaR
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      Yeah, but it's the causal gamers that fall for the gimmick. Rock Band has been great for social occasion... : pigvomit
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        But the rock band/guitar hero devices were specifically designed for playing that game, not the other way... : shred.
        • True, which is why they have to show off some fucking impressive software. From the E3 showing, only Har... : pigvomit
        • well there is a dancing game by Harmonix that people loved and you couldn't ask for a better controller f... : derelict515
    • Yeah, I'm on this list. : Omaha
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      This ... unless some game came out that was completely awesome that used it ^_^ : homeboyJim
      • but i don't really see this happening : homeboyJim
    • Is it still a gimmick if your stance becomes the overwhelming minority? I can just see the next gen of g... : Gildenstern
    • Yup, not buying it... : GoldfishInAJarOfPickles
    • Agree. Throw in a quality multiplayer shooter with the option to play in a "kinect controls only" game a... : limpossible
    • It's an intriguing concept but I'll need some evidence that there'll be anything fun to do with it. : Dave-A
    • this. also: movies in 3D : riptyde
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      What if you don't think of it as a gaming device, but rather an easy way to interact with your entertainm... : boofy
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        not really at all. i have no desire to replace a simple remote control with motion control : electroly
        • really? I see it being similar to the recent explosion of touchscreens -- it isn't a ubiquitous solution... : boofy
    • Add me to the list. I'd take one for free though. : valael
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    If the pack-in games are really good and the controller-less dashboard stuff works I would consider it at... : h o s t i l e
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      Plus the fact that you don't have to buy any additional peripherals to get 4 people using it at once. : Haxim
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        Don't think for a second that they won't still find a way to get you to do this. : Omaha
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          I'd love to hear how you think this is going to happen : derelict515
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            Probably by producing games that require "props" to be played properly, like fake swords, or special seat... : Omaha
            • Ok, well when you have some real evidence then get back to me. You can already play the racing games hold... : derelict515
  • From what was shown at the show? Nothing. In a hypothetical future where it had games I wanted to play, d... : Vincent Grayson
  • Nothing yet. Love the tech, but they haven't shown anything that really looks fun to me yet. : Conan
  • It'd be a no - brainer at $50, just for novelty, and playing with video chat, the controller-less dashboa... : slickdoody
  • 80$ AUD no worries. not 180+ which it will be. : abrasion
  • If they bundled it with the 360 slim I would pay $400 for both : tfsbrian
  • $80 is my sweet spot. I would probably begrudgingly pay $100. Anything more is rediculous. : wilcon
  • There's no killer app so nothing. : BouillonCubes
  • $100, but only with the CPU that they decided to cut, and especially only if the next Halo, or Call of Du... : Amnesty_intl2
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  I understand that they need to start somewhere, but the fact that it's a peripheral -- and a costly one, ... : Home Nugget
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    oh my god I played the shit out of Metal Combat with the super-scope thou. : NukemFornever
    • yeah that game was hella-sweet :D : Home Nugget
• i'll be surprised if this thing isn't a huge flop : qwpeoriu
• This should really be $100, i think $150 is a bit much for it. : Shadowdane
• $100. Kinect would have to wow me to get it at $150. : pigvomit
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  I don't understand how Sony is getting a pass for their equally-expensive (or MORE expensive) motion cont... : Bold
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    Yeah, I have 4 Wiimotes and only 2 Wii motion plus and 2 nunchuck. I would have to spend another $80 to ... : pigvomit
    • A good point! It's $70 for each additional person playing on a Wii, if you the lower-priced bundle combin... : Bold
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    speaking of which, does kinect support 2 players locally (simultaneous)? That seems like a huge technical... : slickdoody
    • Yep, demos have shown two people. I don't know what the limit is, however. : Bold
    • yeah. haven't seen more than 2 people play it at once i dont think : dantastic
    • I thought the trivial pursuit demo had 4 people playing. : SlingBlaze
    • Some rumors are saying it can't track more than two players simultaneously, although at E3 last year it w... : Haxim
  • If you already have a USB camera you only need the controller, so $50 minimum, I guess. But you're right,... : jcupitt
  • PS3 owners aren't poor. : marmite
  • It's not that Sony is getting a pass; it's that Sony Move has already been written off. : Home Nugget
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  I have 2 kids and 3 cats. I'm going to guess that trying to use Kinect in my house would be a huge fail. : riptyde
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    Anyone know if Kinect can properly track black people? That would be embarrassing to have to explain aw... : pigvomit
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      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-UnnFVLbCM#t=1m1s Wearing a black coat no less. : Haxim
      • Sweet! HP needs to buy this technology ASAP! : pigvomit
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        The girl in that video has an annoying voice. : SlingBlaze
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          But twins. giggity. : Haxim
          • Unless the twins are from a fucked up home, they usually don't have sex with one another. Penthouse forum... : Fyunch Click
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    I think you'd be surprised. Lots of hands on mentioned how well it handled people in the background/foreg... : derelict515
    • Yeah, even Brian was impressed how well it worked with a ton of background traffic. : Haxim
• I really don't expected to pick this up until I see some seriously must have games for this that are not ... : fanax
• I'm going to buy it at release for $150 - I think it looks like more fun than I ever had with my Wii that... : MisterPhoton
• paging uncleanmonkey... http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23246023 : daVinci1980