John Cash Leaves id

I win. Form August 29, 2001.

*JOHNCASHEDHISCHECK*

No wonder Cash left... both Carmack and Hook TRASHED him in their plans this past summer. They both said that Quake3 would have been done some time ago if it weren't for bot problems (Cash was coding those). Carmack even said that bots are so bad that he has to do them. Say whatever you want about how brilliant Carmack is, he can be anal retentive as a person. That public trashing was not necessary.

Damnit!!! I guess this means Quake 3 is never going to come out!

Just because an employee is leaving a company does not mean that the individual was not happy. We have no way of knowing what Blizzard offered Cash having to do with creative control or money.

Also, there comes a time with all jobs (at least jobs where you work for someone else) where you feel you have reached a stage where you are stagnant, or where you get too comfotable - and you know you have to leave if you want to keep challenging yourself.

id Software has no problems. They have had a development team that has stayed on for a very long time, improves their skills greatly, and are ready to face different challenges.

Well Evolva can do one thing the q3 engine cant do (yet) ...bigass open outdoor levels :-)

Gameplay wise, its not that bad...

Seriously though, idsoftware, in its current state, is more of a barebones game engine company than ever.

Perhaps the company is in "simmer" mode as The Carmack molds his nextgen game engine. Anyway, I'm hoping that at some point id announces massive hirings of new creative talent, because I don't want to ever hear Todd HolesInMyHead say, "We've decided to focus on our core competancies."

I have intercepted the following message between John Cash of idsoftware and some unknown person at Blizzard.
The message reads:

smellslikeflowers@blizzard.com: "Hi hun... I miss you. *kiss*"
johncash@idsoftware.com: "I miss you too snookums... *hugs* It smells like ass around here."
smellslikeflowers@blizzard.com: "Ah... my poor baby. What can I do to make you feel all better?"
johncash@idsoftware.com: "Will you be my KillCreek?"
smellslikeflowers@blizzard.com: ".........I Do."
johncash@idsoftware.com: "See ya soon babe!"

It *was* a woman afterall. :)

BZZZZT!!!
that was a cool show

nuts to him. he was like a big toilet they were flushing their money down.. kinda like a 'john cash'. BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You guys have no clue.




These are all signs pointing to the inevitable.




Carmack...




and The Romero...




Together once more. It will be a beautiful thing.

-Blitz

84, UT was NOT planned as a "free multiplayer expansion pack for Unreal". To say it was is stupid. Unreal has multiplayer already built in. Unreal's code may not have been the best but it was still there and lots of people managed to play Unreal online and have fun with it. The games were supposed to have interchangable maps but Epic decided against that for obvious reasons.

id should be ashamed at the lack of content of Q3. It's a great online game but the "single player" with those retarded bots is a fucking joke and the multiplayer is fairly plain and lacking with the exception of the player models.

It was painfully obvious to anyone who follows gaming developments that id released the game early and unfinished because Epic had finished UT and they wanted to have a new product on the shelf for Christmas.

I am one of the rare people who likes UT AND Q3. It just pisses me off to see people post nonsense and misinformation about either game.

Re: The people who think that id/Carmack is washed up or that there is nothing left to do.

It's true that hardcore ASM freaks are no longer very useful in the 3d programming market, however, Quake's genius was not the inline assembly, but it was, in fact, the incredibly elegant Visibility determination. That's what Carmack is changing in the new engine. the PVS visibility determination system was a bit of a hack, but it came of extremely well. It's true, the challenge is no longer rendering pretty graphics fast, the challenge has become not rendering polygons you can't see. Something Carmack has done amazingly well, it's easy to tell because a Quake level has so many polys, not onscreen at once, but in the entire level. That's what gives id games the trademark "complex" architecture look. Unreal's visibility determination was decent, but I think it was done better in Quake.

Curved surfaces were also no joke. Don't forget that Carmack also added all the features Unreal Tournament had. I think Carmack's got an engine or two left in him, but I do believe that the hardcore programmer's arena is less and less 3d graphics, physics, sound, and other arenas will become more compelling as video cards do more and more.

Ah well, That's just my .02.

BTW: Cash was the shit.

The Man in Black is gone, that sucks. Now there's no one at id to sing those great songs like I Walk the Line and Ring of Fire.

And.... huh? What's that? Oh, damn....

(so I guess there's no Folsom Prison mod either, is there?)

Veggie:

While you may not agree with the Mission pack being sold & not a "free" add-on. The mere fact that id has been working on a TEAMPLAY based product shows you are wrong when saying id isn't following the market.

Thanks!

-Lex

hmm..why did cash leave id? cuz he felt that blizzard had something cooler to work on? was he not interested in id's next project? Hmm....suck a sulcheech and call me an inbreeder, i think id is starting to break up!
YEEAAH RIGHTT

~Tymetodie

morexԍ¤ 2 cents...

Wow! Where did that stuff come from? It was supposed to read, "my 2 cents..."

-Quag

You guys kill me. Busting on id because they are trying to make a buck. How quickly everyone forgets all the stuff id has given away to make our gaming lives a bit better. QuakeWorld, & the Wolf, Doom & Quake source code. Not to mention the countless hours of enjoyment we have all derived from playing the games we bought from them. I know I've gottem my money's worth!

I admit, it is nice that Valve & Epic are giving away mods like TFC or the UT Bonus pack. Valve _had_ to give away TFC... The user backlash that resulted when everyone found out TF was not going to be included with HL saw to that. Epic is, IMHO, trying to buy our hearts & minds by giving away the Bonus pack. It is the only way they can compete with id. There is no great altruism involved there, just economics & market share...

I know that for whatever reason (I do not understand this myself) that it is currently fashionable to bash on id, but I just wish people would think a bit before they start spouting off that "id sucks", or that Valve & Epic care morexԍ¤ 2 cents...

-Quag

the Shack is such a wierd place to be.

Whenever the topic is 3Dfx, nVidia, or UT, the Quake supporters come out.
But whenever it's id Software related, all these people come and bash id software for Quake 3.
I thought the game was perfectly fine and ran great out of the box. Then, there are always people complaining that the game isn't finished. Then there are people who are so proud of warezing a game, like any of us really give a shit. Of course, we can't forget those who think that if they bought the game, they have a right to complain. While this may very well be true, they just refuse to admit that maybe they've made a bad purchase, and are blaming id. Read reviews or something, for heaven's sake.

I mean, if I bought Myst or Deer Hunter, I can't really blame anyone for the bad purchase except myself, right?

John cash did nothing but slack over there at id. he couldn't do his job on quake3 (bot programming). Best this fag is gone...don't ya think?

Hey, it's my first post! Well obviously not the famed "First Post", just the first post on the Shack. Ever!

Why do I get the feeling that I'm soon to be flamed for being a newbie or something? Ah well.

#56, I gotta agree with you. I deleted Blue's News from my list a long time ago...


-Torak-

Just another case of rat's jumping off of a sinking ship. Quake 3 is not the tour de force everyone thought it would be, and that's due to id's unwillingness to recognize market forces, a la teamplay games and a "newbie friendly" interface. They're just stuck in their ways, which I assume all come down from Carmack. Besides, most of those guys have been there since day one, so it seems natural for them to want to try something else at this stage in their careers. Carmack himself said their next title won't have a rocket launcher, alluding to the fact that their last three titles have been extremely similar despite graphical advancements.

Good luck Mr. Cash.

Steve, server seems faster now. Getting data at 5k a sec instead of 500bytes.