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• woot job security maybe kinda India scares me : PixelPie
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  That comes across as pretty damn cocky. Attitudes like that lead to underestimating your competition. : timmie
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    China is competing in that arena? Where? How? : WhatIsThisFor
    • Basically China is being used in the article as a placeholder for "Asia". This article sorta has racist u... : Amnesty_intl2
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      If they're not competing already, they will be very soon. : fishbone
      • Exactly. : Dr_Cube
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        Competing for what? I can see them coming in at the bottom, not innovating but instead offering low cost... : WhatIsThisFor
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          That's pretty limited thinking. In a short while, with the labor pool they have available, they'll be shi... : bombay
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            Then why aren't they doing this in other markets already, older markets that they have had more time to e : WhatIsThisFor
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              They are entering the US and European car markets with domestically designed and built models. It is happ... : bombay
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                Chinese designed and developed cars that don't infringe on IP? Are these cars bottom of the line as I st... : WhatIsThisFor
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                  Yes, there are electric makers even. Hyundai is a classic example of how a country entered the US market ... : bombay
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                    South Korea has a much different government than China though. : WhatIsThisFor
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                      That is meaningless, it is a classic example of 'They'll never compete, but oh wait, they do" : bombay
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                        I've never meant to imply that they will never compete, I hope I've made it clear through other posts tha... : WhatIsThisFor
                        • China makes some pretty decent cars apparently, and without big tariffs they might enter at the low end c... : Sludgehead
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                          Also, as far as not being able to make "the new hotness", they did make a pretty nice laser to shoot sate... : Sludgehead
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                            What percentage of that tech was stolen though? : WhatIsThisFor
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                              Well cars have been around a while, so I don't know if there's any big secrets left in them. : Sludgehead
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                                oops you were talking about the laser weapon. I don't know. What makes you think someone didn't sell it... : Sludgehead
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                                  I'm just skeptical because of their flagrant disregard for IP.

                                  Jun 10, 2010 4:38am PDT
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                                  I'm just skeptical because of their flagrant disregard for IP. : WhatIsThisFor
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                                    they aren't stupid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science_and_technology_in_China So we stol... : Sludgehead
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                                      Ehhh... Those things go back to far to be relevant to this discussion. : WhatIsThisFor
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                                        lol yeah the suspension bridge or cast iron had virtually no impact on the globe compared to an iphone. : Sludgehead
                                        • I never made that claim. lol or something : WhatIsThisFor
                              • Lots and lots. Both manufacturing practices and physical engineering and software. : WhatIsThisFor
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                          One last thing, they make crappy iphone knockoffs but they probably make the authentic iphones. they defi... : Sludgehead
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                            His point will be that someone else, apple in this case, designed them. What's missing is the realization... : bombay
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                              The people in the plants aren't learning how to design iPods just by assembling them. Maybe elsewhere in... : WhatIsThisFor
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                                You don't know how manufacturing works do you? Ever heard of an ME? : bombay
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                                  Nope. http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=23172816#itemanchor_23172816 : WhatIsThisFor
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                                    Yeah, that's actually a weak point. Have you ever stepped foot in a production facility? You made a claim... : bombay
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                                      What's an ME? I don't have to personally step foot in a production facility, I've read quite a bit about... : WhatIsThisFor
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                                        Cute. You obviously haven't read enough yet. Regardless, an ME is a Manufacturing Engineer. They take D... : bombay
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                                          i think we all know those iPads aren't cloned out of thin air. : Pantene Pro-V
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                                            Neat point, not relevant, but neat. My points regrading manufacture still stand. Refute them if you like,... : bombay
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                                              oh i'm certain that they have become quite innovative when it comes to ripping off the IP of competing co... : Pantene Pro-V
                                              • You're not actually refuting anything I've said, or even understand it to boot. : bombay
                          • what? modern devices are more than hardware. There's a major IP investment in software that's also requir... : Pantene Pro-V
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            With their I.P. laws? I doubt it. They have iphone clones, ipad clones, ripped copies of Windows 7. W... : handofthrawn
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              Again limited thinking, one of China's stated long term goals is to move to less export and more balance ... : bombay
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                I guess I'll believe it when I see Chinese websites that rival Google or Bing and Chinese cars that rival... : WhatIsThisFor
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                  There is this little website called Baidu that you might want to check out before saying that the Chinese... : spiffymc
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                    Baidu doesn't exist in the west. Yahoo and Google and Bing are everywhere. : WhatIsThisFor
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                      So you're equating "marketing" with "they clearly can't be as good as Google...". Google spends money on : spiffymc
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                        Google might not but Yahoo is big in China just as is MSN Messenger and Windows (and clones of every west... : WhatIsThisFor
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                          You realize this same argument was made of Japan in the 70 / 80s. Things change, knock offs lead to learn... : bombay
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                            Maybe in the 70s but not the 80s. : WhatIsThisFor
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                              Yes in the 80s, everyone was complaining about cheap rip offs. It wasn't until the mid and late 80s that ... : bombay
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                                I don't think China and Japan are similar enough that China will follow in Japan's path. Their governmen... : WhatIsThisFor
                                • Your funeral. : Dr_Cube
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                  China already has websites to rival google and bing. I find it interesting that you use Toyota and BM... : bombay
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                    I'm not claiming they cannot innovate, I've said multiple times that I believe they can and will exist an... : WhatIsThisFor
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                      Hmmm, I thought you said this "Competing for what? I can see them coming in at the bottom, not innovating... : bombay
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                        Let me ratify and say very little or limited innovation (instead of saying none innovation). Still, I do... : WhatIsThisFor
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                          Check out the rate of higher education growth, things like Phds, etc. It is geometric, they will be innov... : bombay
                          • Their education system is still backwards as CoRDS points out below, isn't not geard towards innovation f : WhatIsThisFor
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                          Bail the water out of your argument faster : Dr_Cube
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                            Post something smart instead of trolling. There's nothing wrong with clarification, it's 6:10 am here so... : WhatIsThisFor
                            • I mean, obviously they are going to innovate (however so slightly) no matter what they do, whether that m... : WhatIsThisFor
              • I don't think its limited, its my opinion they won't make the transition or it won't happen in ten years.... : handofthrawn
            • Yea, their government has too many problems holding the rest of the country back. If they want to get th... : WhatIsThisFor
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          Clearly you don't know where most of the innovation at IBM and Oracle comes from these days : spiffymc
          • Shhh, it is India, ok. : bombay
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            Not China : WhatIsThisFor
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              Guess again : spiffymc
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                Okay, what innovation for IBM and Oracle originates in China? : WhatIsThisFor
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                  I'm not going to comment beyond this but these guys are producing some amazing stuff right now http://www... : spiffymc
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                    Okay so they have an R&D lab in China, a lot of companies probably do. : WhatIsThisFor
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                      A lot of companies have R&D labs in the USA too. Look the point is that from firsthand experience I can t... : spiffymc
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                        India, no doubt, China, I haven't really seen it yet. Not enough to convince me that the Silicon Valley ... : WhatIsThisFor
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                          China has surpassed india in the rate of Doctorates etc, this investment they are making will pay off. : bombay
                          • Maybe so but it remains to be seen what those doctorates are worth. I don't take them at face value just... : WhatIsThisFor
              • lol : the city
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            is it Croydon? : Klebold
            • lololol : Mr. Goodwrench
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            I don't think anyone is arguing that smart people in China or whatever country can't do research and advi... : handofthrawn
            • I'll just say this is a weak argument. Innovation and advance will occur in China. It is Naive to think o... : bombay
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  This is a load of horseshit. Do not think for a second that the Chinese are less knowledgeable about tech... : Dr_Cube
  • i dunno. seems like they're always cuttings corners. It's rare to see quality software but i've never see... : Pantene Pro-V
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    it is the way they are trained, same deal of those in india, if it isnt written down they dont know how t... : CoRDS
    • I've seen and heard similar things about grad students who have come over from that region. Certain thin... : Arcanum