Quake3 & Character Classes

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classes out?
YEE HAAA !!!
man am i glad id has realized that classes kill gameplay...
don\'t you think llamas would chose a heavy guy all the time cuz they can\'t move anyway, but may live longer?
balancing these would be a pain in the ass.
no classes, that\'s more pure dm, man with gun vs man with gun.
if id says classes are bad for gameplay, you should believe that.
as for ut, it simplay doesn\'t have the fascination of id\'s games, looks boring like a pile of crap.

I like to keep this article in mind whenever I think of why quake 3 sucks gameplay wise. (doesn't suck but deathmatch is so 1992)

I feel like making a possssttt..

Yeah, let the community make mods. Just like with their engine, it always takes someone else to show id what can really be done with their tech.

Foozeymelon:

For years id focused on many things: Tech advances, single player sections, etc. (mouselook is now the default for games like this, but hey, they should have stuck to just the way control was in Doom, right?). They made some of the best kick ass games around. WTF is \"Pure DM\"???

And how can you judge a game (Unreal Tournament) when you haven\'t even played a \"test\" (read: actual demo but with wussy name so we can say it\'s not indicative of the final game if you don\'t like it)?

Here\'s what you do: Open up QERadiant; make a big cube, put a super shotgun in the middle; add some lights and spawn points and turn mouselook off. Viola! \"Pure\" DM!

BTW, Tribes is a KICK@ss DM game!

The problem with making server operators able to make their own settings is nobody knows what kind of server they are joining. Many people find it annoying to join a server without knowing something as simple as falling damage or weapon stay - nevermind player classes. id like mods, we know that, but at the same time there has to be *standard* game that people can join, where people know exactly what\'s going on when they join a game.

Dynotoku (whatever the spelling)
It\'s not the amount of playing modes that people want, hell you could have 30 different play modes. People want SOLID DM. Unreal never had that (doesn\'t look like UT will either, judging from the amount of time they are spending on the other modes). People will make mods for Q3, Epic needs to focus on one thing, not ten. \"Pure focus\" for DM is the way to go.

Funny how you have to say that \"Anonymous\".
What are you talking about? Some sense would be helpful here.

Hey Foozemelonhead, what do you think Tribes is anyway, single player??? LOL!!!

Oops, that was supposed to be a nice neat chart down there. I gues the message board doesn\'t allow for extra spaces. :P

I\'m suprised most people here are down on player classes. I would think that people would want more variety, but I guess not. The way I see it, it\'s like playing street fighter and only being able to select Ryu. \"This match is Ryu vs. Ryu, and the next match will be Ryu vs. Ryu, and the one after that, you guessed it, Ryu vs. Ryu!\" I assume most of the people posting here didn\'t like Shogo cause it had 4 (ooh, scary) player classes. At least when playing on mecha maps.

(This here isn\'t related to the player class thing...)
In response to Anonymous #14, curved surfaces add exactly what to deathmatch gameplay? :) I wasn\'t trying to compare the engines, I just meant that UT will have more gameplay modes out of the box than Q3, making it the better buy if you\'re looking for multiplayer action:

Q3 UT
Deathmatch Y Y
Team DM Y Y
CTF Y* Y * I think it will be in,
Last Man Standing N Y I haven\'t heard for sure
Domination** N Y **Capture and hold for you
Assault N Y Tribes players ;)

UT will also have voice communication via pre-recorded sound files for communication with your team mates, a la Tribes.

Even though neither game is out, the developers have promised certian features, and UT is in it\'s final testing phases, so the play modes I mentioned above are pretty much guaranteed to be in, that\'s how I can say that. :)

One sentence: we don\'t want tribes, we want DM!

One word: Tribes.

Good move, good job iD.

This has held true for most if not all FPS games:
AIM trumps SPEED trumps STRATEGY trumps LUCK

If your aim is hot enough that whenver the trigger is pulled, the enemy feels pain you dont
have to be hotshit pilot to get around the level and you won\'t need strategy to deny resources
because it will take just a another shot to do the job. If you have great speed (strafe running, wall running
strafe jumping, trick jumps, etc) and can just get around the level fast that means you can run away fast
and beat people to the resources even if they had a head start. If you aim isnt great, thats ok, your speed
gets you a second or third chance to do the job.

This all pointed towards the class that could move fast was going to be the only
real class to compete becuase the light class could use any weapon the heavy class
could...plus move faster.

iD just saved us players from having to \"try\" the other combinations which would
have just ended back to the light class anyway.

-wiseguy
teamabuse.com

Uh, well, yeah, but who plays Unreal deathmatch, anyway?

(Oh, boy, I bet I just offended a whole bunch of people).

I think that pretty soon people would pretty much agree on the best character class in deathmatch - probably the light, fast class because it would always be able to escape a heavier class - but it could have added a nice bit of variety to single player. Didn\'t unreal have character classes in DM with slight differences? Male/Female/Startrooper (or something?) Did most people use the same class in that?
What I would like to see is the ability to simulate a high ping against the bots in single player. That would make it good practise for net play.

Player-class will just come in a user-made add-on would have been nice not to D/L a larger file,and in another note Brittany Spears breast kick ass even if they are fake

Classes ?????
Wow... Java based Quake3...

K.I.S.S Keep it simple stupid, I said it in the beginning, I\'ll say it now. good job id.

This is a Good Thing, since it would just create more complexity in a game that id wants to keep simple.

You know nothing about how good or bad classes would have been... because you all couldn\'t test it.

if id say: classes are great - classes are great
if id say: classes don\'t work - classes don\'t work

:]

Q4 - is that \"Quake 4\" ? :)

mediaone! Wow lucky you. All the people I know that use mediaone say it rocks!

I think classes WOULD be a good idea, especially for CTF. Since I don\'t have a fast connection, I was looking forward to playing the heavy/slow class.

Due to Southern Bell\'s pitiful policies, I\'m limited to 26.4 Kbaud. This is because they\'ve recently added additional A/D and D/A units to share the copper pairs. I used to get much better baud rates. When I complained to them (several times), I got the \"We\'re only required to provide 9.6 Kbaud; be happy you get more than that\" line!

I can\'t wait until fast connections are available in my area. MediaOne should wire my neighborhood for broadband in the Q4 timeframe. That\'s when I say goodbye to Ma Bell!

mmm.. player classes would have added too much chaos, im glad they were removed. makes finding tournament settings easier etc

En krixhjelte var här!

Get back to basics-
when you have to bind fifteen keys to take advantage of every single new feature the games loses something.
Keep it-
fast
furious
as simple as possible

torpedo

\"uNREAL tOURNAMENT fUCKIN\' bLOWZ!!@#*^%!@^#%!@^#*&!@#&!@ \"
Wow, Spasms on the shift-button!

Hmm. First of all, you cant bash a game you havent played yet. UT has alot of potention, so get off your soap box and shut your trap. Secondly, I am almost glad to see classes not making it into the game. It would broden the gamplay exponentially, yet it would hinder a good teamplay/ffa game. I like 1 class, same weapons, blow each other up.

//rez

1st of all: \"uNREAL tOURNAMENT fUCKIN\' bLOWZ!!@#*^%!@^#%!@^#*&!@#&!@ \"

Let\'s please avoid this nonsense. It\'s almost as silly as my 3d card is bigger than yours mentality.

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I\'m glad the classes won\'t be in there. I would like to see the player\'s speed increase.. but that\'s another topic =)

In response to #5:
Some one has created CTF with classes; it\'s called Team Fortress :P

There are enough classes as it is, hpbs, lpbs, people with good computers, people with shitty computers...

uNREAL tOURNAMENT fUCKIN\' bLOWZ!!@#*^%!@^#%!@^#*&!@#&!@

In response to Dynotaku, the point of Quake3 is deathmatch. Whatever hinders or unecessarily complicates deathmatch, therefore, has no place in the game. And, to what features are you referring that UT \'has\' that Quake3 doesn\'t? Curved surfaces? (laugh) Considering neither game is finished and neither game is out for the public to play (in final form, that is), I don\'t see how you can say that.

I\'m personally dissapointed that classes won\'t make it in. Once again id is sticking to the \"If it ain\'t broke, don\'t fix it\" addage. If it were up to me, I\'d put tons of different options in the game itself, then program different game modes, such as a tournament mode, where there\'s no quad, no BFG, and only the medium player class or something. Feature for feature, Q3 is waaaaay behind UT, (and yes, I\'m aware that UT doesn\'t have player classes) I guess if you want player classes, go play Daikatana, if it ever comes out. I personally thing DK is really fun. One question tho, since there won\'t be player classes, are we going to see fewer player models in the game? I had read that they were making different player models for the different weight classes....

ShouldnÂ’t we let the decision of whether deathmatch would be better with one single class or not up to the server admins? In my OPINION, deathmatch should have only one class that everyone uses, but that is my opinion and not everyone else. I mean look, if they already have the bases for a class system they should at least ship it along with the final product of the game and let us, the gaming community, decide what is best. Also I would love the see classes in CTF

-Xenocid3

I think that if they are going to have a class system in the game. ONe of those classes should be a pimp just like me and the god father.

Amazing. Nearly every comment on the board so far agrees with the decision to abandon player classes. Thank god. I like to see agreement in the community once in a while. I think id has made a decision almost everyone agrees on for once. I agree as well, character classes would truly suck. Deathmatch doesn\'t need useless complications. Real players will make up all the complications they need.

I think that classes in Quake 3 deathmatch just wouldn\'t work and there is allways gonna be somebody that will make a model that has the best of all the classes.
i think that character classes would be good for a ctf or other teamplay part of the game. Deathmatch should only have one class.

-The Massacre