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  It almost feels like there's too much to do besides the main quests. : -sk-
  • So don't do them. : snot3353
  • That's the great part, IMO. It's not a race, so enjoy the ride. : Pneum0
• my copy has shipped, hopefully here tomorrow or sat! : niceguynick
• My copy hasn't shipped from amazon yet - but should today (it says its being packaged now) I paid over... : jbury
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  Xbox 360 players, are your multiplayer games full? I can barely find a game with over 3-4 people on the ... : chuck577
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    Always full for mr, maybe you weren't playing at peak times? Most people that bought RDR for PS3 weren't... : zuff
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      I played the whole day yesterday. Man, now I am worried. You are on PS3? : chuck577
      • Nope, 360 : zuff
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    Considering all the bugs and disconnects happening with the multiplayer, and the general consensus that i... : silent prophet
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      That's not what I've been hearing. Once Rockstar irons out the bugs it's going to be fucking fantastic. I... : zuff
      • I hope you are right. I would love for an open world multiplayer game to have enough entertainment value ... : silent prophet
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        ...Once Rockstar irons out the bugs it's going to be fucking fantastic... for 2 weeks there I fixed it : dedgecko
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          Does Rockstar have a bad rep for pushing patches? : zuff
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            I'm not sure, but I seem to remember GTA4 issues being resolved pretty fast. : azenmaster
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              yeah dedgecko's just threadshitting as usual. :( : zuff
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                actually not. There are few if any titles that have a large community of players still looking for MP ma... : dedgecko
                • That's my thought too... but I will try to be open minded about it. :) : silent prophet
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                  do you have any proof of this? it's not Halo or Gears or COD sized, but I'm pretty sure there is a dec... : DeBurgo
                  • I think I fired up GTA IV randomly two months ago on my 360 looking to goof around after seeing some rand... : dedgecko
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                  Keep in mind this is not the same Rockstar that did GTAIV and also they are using the "Sweatshop" techniq... : zuff
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                    So it should be even worse? I'm not sure that I'm following your train of thought. : dedgecko
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                      I think they will push the update faster than Rockstar North did with GTAIV. I hope so, at least. : zuff
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                        You can't push an update quickly though through the consoles certification process though. : dedgecko
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                          They managed to push one on the day after launch (no clue what they did, but they did get one out fairly ... : zuff
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                            As stated below - a day one patch is worked on weeks / months in advance of the release date. : dedgecko
                            • Oh I missed that. Well one can only hope. : zuff
                        • This assumes they just started working on it. They day 1 patch that zuff mentions was obviously done pri... : jake
    • It's not like gta4 multi : WhatIsThisFor
  • almost always full. : azenmaster
  • Always : WhatIsThisFor
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  I think I'm screwed on my latest treasure map. It just shows a rock formation and an X. I gave up after a... : darcspeed
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    I got a map like that. It's just a couple rocks and a tree. The only distinctive feature is a noose so I'... : NastyJack
    • take a closer look at your world map for that one :) : darcspeed
    • Look at the map for more clues. Maybe something drawn on it? Maybe symbolism? : zuff
    • spoilered solution: this is Hanging Rock, north of Armadillo. Once you get there, if you still have troub : Majuju
    • There are several side missions that should take you near the area, and once it's name is displayed, you' : jake
  • I found the first by accident, second one I haven't a clue and haven't looked to hard. : breadsticks
  • Where the fuck is the first treasure by Hanging Rock? ARGH?! : Skoal^Fyfan
• Multiplayer is more fun than I thought. Once the auto aim is off I suspect it will get even better. : exit button
• I started a free roam MP session last night, was in it 5 minutes before it said network connection was lo... : silent77
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  codes: does anybody want to trade a golden guns code for either the gamestop or best buy code? : xxiv
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    does that make sense? i have an extra guns code. i'd like the horse or outfit code. : xxiv
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      There's going to be a flood of extra Amazon codes since everyone that preordered from there ended up with... : ThomW
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        I only got one. Definitely not everyone, but I'm guessing anyone that actually got it in the package also... : Ctrl-Phreak
        • I still cant even enter my goddamn code. : YerMothah
        • I also have an extra Golden Guns code from Amazon. If anyone wants a trade, PM me. : hussdelrio
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    I got the game but with no codes :( : ArtilleryMarker
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      amazon never emailed you with one? : xxiv
      • Didn't get it from Amazon, had a good rebate at another store but it didn't give out codes. : ArtilleryMarker
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    SPARE GOLDEN GUNS CODE Anyone wanna trade? : YerMothah
    • Sure, I have a spare golden guns code that I'll trade for your spare golden guns code! : hussdelrio
• Love it so far, it did crash twice on me last night once when Riding back to armadillo with a $240 bounty... : raspu2n
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  i think i did things out of turn at the beginning. i rode off to armadillo and then eventually ended up b : xxiv
  • It seems to sometimes assume the order that you do missions or visit areas. I did some mission for the Ma : snot3353
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    Winning and losing made no difference. You'd only get to race her once. The only way to fail was to kil... : SgtPepper78
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      ..or get eaten my mtn. lions after getting bucked off like I did! : Pneum0
      • OK...that's seems like a fail option too! : SgtPepper78
• I have only played 20 minutes of singleplayer...... and about 5-6 hours of Free Roam. I'm just playing it... : saunders45
• Also, Has anyone found an unlock list for multiplayer? All I've found was this: http://www.youtube.com/w... : saunders45
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  The more I play multiplayer the more I hate it. Everytime I die I can't stop thinking about how much bet... : R@zzle
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    We played for a couple of hours last night. I like multiplayer but I'm more of a free roam co-op type th... : kgargs
    • Agreed. I wish I had been there, but I was at D&D : R@zzle
• Only played for a couple of hours yesterday. I'm having trouble seeing the sighting dot. : Totenjaeger
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  I'm not sure what's up with this game. I've played the SP the last two nights and enjoyed it. I'm havin... : slickdoody
  • I think you're probably still in the tutorial portion if you're doing Bonnie quests. The first few npcs j... : chrisschutz
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  Well both evenings I played multiplayer I loved it despite the bugs. highlight of the night last night... : azenmaster
  • I RULE AT VIDEOGAMES : ThomW
• It was fun playing with you guys last night. So much fun holding down that town from lawmen. : zuff
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  It comes out tommorow. I'm getting it after I finish work. : MacemanInTW
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    i'm goin out during my lunch to get it so i don't waste time getting it after work and i can go straight ... : purekillforce
    • Me too, just thinking how I can avoid Friday night after work drinks. : MaddeningLoop
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  I was in a posse last night with Thomw, Pandastrong, Majuju, and I think it was Azenmaster. We had good t... : Rauol Duke
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    was it you that spent like 15 minutes drowning horses? : azenmaster
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      I only drowned one! >:( As I was fleeing Blackwater some dandy in a suit rode into town on a nice looking... : Rauol Duke
      • Texting and driving, were we? : stratedge
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    That was pretty fun last night. I wish there was more to do as a posse beyond just taking out gangs. Wh... : ThomW
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      I think once the public roam is more stable the PVP aspect will fill in all the holes. : Rauol Duke
      • It'll definitely make the fucking-around-between-hideouts more interesting. I loved running into you whe... : ThomW
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      I hereby proclaim that any cowboy I spot picking flowers will be shot. This is to enhance the realism ... : azenmaster
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        I hereby proclaim that any cowboy I spot picking flowers will be shot. : Rauol Duke
        • Some jackass kept trying to kill me last night while I was hunting wabbits. I must have killed him at lea... : saunders45
    • Supposedly there are hunting grounds. You go there and have to defend yourself versus waves of animals. : thejay247
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    do you see that private multiplayer mode lasting for some time or will it die next week? : Nitrium
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      With 50 levels I see it lasting a very very long time. : zuff
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        Plus you can "prestige" and unlock legendary mounts and characters. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6-... : saunders45
        • Omg this game is going to own my life : zuff
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          ah not watching not watching! : supermonkeyballz
          • I doesn't show any of the mounts or characters, just the "procedure" for doing so. : saunders45
          • It doesn't ruin much it just ask after the guy hits 50 if he wants to prestige or not. Also, we playing t... : zuff
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        that will turn into a terrible grind after you complete all of the gang hideouts. there really needs to b... : maulla
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          I had to dig through some Gamespot forums to find this, it may be one or the other (or hell, maybe both) ... : zuff
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            I just found the same post. I remember seeing a camp like that near the mountain lion icon on the map. I ... : maulla
            • Awesome. i'll give this a try myself. : saunders45
            • I'm game to try to. Let's start small like deer and work our way up to cougars. : zuff
    • I'd guess we have maybe a month where there will be lots playing online, after that it will be shackbattl... : azenmaster
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    i'm going to punch your horse in its stupid face next time we play : pandastrong
    • I'm going to shoot you in your stupid hair bun. : Rauol Duke
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      weren't you the guy punching me until you got a knife to the face? oh man : azenmaster
      • That shit was lols. : Rauol Duke
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      I shot his horse's asshole. : ThomW
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        No that was my horse. You'll get yours too buster. : Rauol Duke
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          You were the "his" in my post. : ThomW
          • You were the up in my shut. >:( : Rauol Duke
  • yeah it was a hoot and a holler ridin' around with you guys last night. I just wish there was way more t... : Majuju
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  I haven't had much time to play it yet, but just riding around on a horse is amazing. It looks great. I... : FormerHPB
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    That's pretty much exactly what it is. Every time someone asks me if they should buy it I just ask "Did y... : snot3353
    • I really didn't like GTA 4, but I like this. So, that's a bad question. : unjustend
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  I am completely sold on it. R* really did make the first great western game. Have found a couple of bugs ... : Fredrik S
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    Outlaws was great long before RDR. :\ : pimpium
    • Hell yeah. I LOVED Outlaws. : saunders45
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  Overall I like it so far, not without complaints that you've probably heard many times. I don't like t... : boarder2
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    You must not have played too much. Money isn't much of a problem later on. I also hunt and skin everythin... : zuff
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      Nope, I haven't played much, just saved the snake oil guy. Probably only 2 hours in. : boarder2
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        Hunting things is key. Killing an armadillo or a deer will net you $9 or $10 at the general store when y... : riptyde
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          i read somewhere that a great way to earn money is to capture and sell wild horses. : riptyde
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            Where do you sell horses? : zuff
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              That's a damn good question. I've read posts saying you can, but in looking just now a lot of people can... : riptyde
              • I captured and tamed my own horse in the wild, and he became my personal horse. I'd love to know how to ... : Lucien Irenicus
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    I don't see the need for medicine unless you get in a real heavy fire fight. You seem to restore after a... : silent77
    • I used some in a quest. Only time I've needed it. : NastyJack
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    There is also blackjack + you can loot dudes. Bringing in bountys alive also gets a decent payout. Make s... : pyide
    • So that's how I get a freaking LASSO! I've been farming up money riding around, checking all the stores ... : unjustend
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    My complaint is the difficulty of playing a good person. I spent 40 minutes trying to do some bounty and... : KxRook
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      I shot a whore who flagged me down for help / a ride and then stole my horse and I lost honer because of : pyide
      • *honor : pyide
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        It happened to me yesterday too but I shot her as soon as she was trying to get away and I didn't lose an... : LordHellMaX
        • Ditto. She stole my horse, and I shot her within 4 feet. Looted her body without walking, and got on my... : unjustend
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      [r] PRO Tip [r] You can use [o] campfires to fast travel to way points you set [o] : raspu2n
      • WOW FAIL : raspu2n
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        The problem with that is that I dont know what waypoint it will take me to. It just says "Waypoint." : KxRook
        • if you say waypoint and don't have one set it lets you flip though a list of places you have found and ca... : sigpro
        • You create way points on the map. If you open the map move the analog stick to a location on the map, pr... : raspu2n
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        You can't make a campfire while returning on a bounty mission. Says you don't have time for that or somet... : darcspeed
        • Right, but if you fail and you are brought back to your last save location to try again you can set a way... : raspu2n
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      Anytime you're returning a bounty to jail (dead or alive) his posse will attack you on the way back. Usua... : darcspeed
      • Yeah I'm fine once I get on the horse but lassoing the fucker up while the waves kept coming was getting ... : KxRook
  • I LOVE the five finger fillet game. It keeps giving you a smaller and smaller window of time to do the si... : at0micgarden
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  I didn't get to play last night because the wife wanted to catch up on some shows we had DVR'd :( : Omning
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    worst part is that tonight is super finale night of like a billion awesome shows :( : dantastic
    • Fringe for sure. : pimpium
    • dan will be watching Grey's Anatomy : Scotty22
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  Anyone have their money just disappear? I was up to nearly $1000 and I shot some lawmen on accident and ... : G0aTCheeZ
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    did you got to jail? if so they take all your money. : Silent Wolf
    • I killed the lawmen, I didn't get arrested. Weird, must've been a bug. Thanks. : G0aTCheeZ
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  I'm in love with the dead eye now. The max pain style effects are awesome. : [fry]
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    I keep forgetting to use it! That random mission where you have to shoot the rope of the guy being hanged... : zuff
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      I'm going to restart tonight simply because I fucking never learned to use Dead Eye. That's like four bo... : Lucien Irenicus
      • I never get involved in a gunfight unless either party ask for help. Best way to make sure you're taking ... : zuff
      • yeeash - you're the fourth or fifth comment that I've read on that. GG playtest group. : dedgecko
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        Last night I saw a guy stabbing a hooker to death so I shot him, and it gave me dark side points for it. ... : riptyde
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          That's if you are using the lame lock on targeting system. Expert mode with full free aim is the only way... : sigpro
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            Is using dead eye really that different from using the lock-on system? : riptyde
            • yes because you still have to manually aim at the target. If I go into dead eye it just slows down time a... : sigpro
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      how do you do execution moves?!? : rudius
      • Get up close : Entity
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      I spent far too long thinking the dead-eye meter was the health bar. :( : Entity
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        Maybe I missed the tutorial mission where dead eye is explained? I've never once used it. I couldn't te... : Lucien Irenicus
        • Yes you missed it. You click the right stick while hold down the left trigger. DO NOT click the right sti... : sigpro
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      What's the execution move? : Sgt_Boomstick
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        I dont know if there are different ones but my guy puts the gun under their chin and Bang : supermonkeyballz
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          How do you do it? : Sgt_Boomstick
          • shoot out someone's leg, then get really close to them and just shoot. : Majuju
          • It's done it for me automatically when I am right next to someone, hold left trigger and shoot. This is u... : sigpro
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      How do you do execution moves? : Skoal^Fyfan
      • Get close and pull the trigger. Not sure how close but I was right in his face. : zuff
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  I wish there was an easier way to practice the mini-games. Horseshoes is a shitload of trial and error (... : Majuju
  • I still don't know what to do. The only time I've dueled someone, dead Eye came in, I marked him from c... : unjustend
• I'm going to be so angry at gamefly if it isn't here when i get back from finals tonight. : RetroRedEyeJr
• I love the little touches, like how if a bird flies by any dogs in town will look up like "aroo?". : riptyde
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  If you become a public enemy, does that mean another player can kill you for the bounty? I got my bounty ... : Rauol Duke
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    Also does that money transfer to SP ? answers damnit! : Ulfie
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      Bounty does nothng, and MP and SP are completely separate. : saunders45
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        So then whats the sense? why have a bounty that ultimately does nothing? what a waste jeez! : Ulfie
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          Pretty much. Money doesn't "do" anything in MP. The only place where I've seen a bounty matter, is for ch... : saunders45
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            Money is crucial to MP. Money is your XP. : sigpro
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              the bounty number is an insignificant thing. it does nothing, and resets to zero once you die. its the sa... : maulla
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                But say you have a 3k bounty on your head and some random person kills you in a free roam, do they get 3k... : sigpro
                • Hmm... now thats a good question. : Ulfie
              • in SP I'm pretty sure you can go to a telegram station and pay off your bounty. Also I think you can l... : DeBurgo
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              Ohhhhhh....... I guess I never made that connection. However, "Bounty Money" is useless, correct? : saunders45
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                It depends on if my question above is true or not. If it is, then your bounty total is kind of useless, h... : sigpro
                • The end part is true. I guess we try the bounty issue tonight and see what happens!!! : saunders45
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  it's fun. I mostly just run around and pick flowers. have not tried multiplayer yet : wtf242
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    Last night in a frenzied shootout I shot and killed my own horse. :( : riptyde
    • aka "pulling a thomw" : azenmaster
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    also i really dislike the controls in this game. It makes my hand hurt. It might be that I never played m... : wtf242
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      I keep reading complaints about the controls, but I haven't had any real problems with them so far. Mayb... : atom519
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        They are pretty atrociously bad. They also did a really bad job with the menu(s) in my opinion. Having to... : snot3353
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          I've played the game for about 10 hours and camped twice. : sigpro
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            So you manually ride your horse to every single spot on the map? That's fine if you want to do that but m... : snot3353
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              yes I've just ridden my horse everywhere. It doesn't really take that long and gives me a chance to do sh... : sigpro
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                My hand starts to hurt after riding for longer than a few minutes minutes I am not allowed to take my fin... : snot3353
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                  I meant "SINCE" I am not allowed to take my finger off of the A button. : snot3353
                  • If you push analog stick forward the horse moves : pancake humper
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                    you can take it off the A button. I just keep tapping it slowly and wear out the stamina, then hold it fo... : sigpro
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                      This is true. There are a lot of spots where you have to ride with someone leading the way though in whic... : snot3353
                      • I don't mind that at all. I like being able to hold A then to keep pace. I can see if you have bad joints... : sigpro
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                It's terrible for us players who get so easily distracted and thrown off course :( : pancake humper
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                  It happens to me pretty badly. I have OCD where I have to stop and pick every flower and save every guy b... : snot3353
                  • lol, jesus dude it's the wild west not sherman's march : DeBurgo
              • You're not alone; I do the majority of my travel by horse as well, so that I can do the pop-up missions a... : Entity
            • i love riding from place to place. lots of little side quests, animals to kill, flowers to pick, birds to... : wtf242
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          My two biggest complaints are the map, as you say, and having to hold A to run. Why not just let me clic... : riptyde
          • better than having to tap A to run. : dedgecko
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  is it difficult to play an evil character? my roommate is going through being all goody-goody and i just ... : gokart.
  • I think you'll just have to fend off posse's more often, since you will have a high bounty on your head. ... : atom519
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  PROTIP: In the outfits menu you can track what outfit you are working on by hitting X. Completed Deadly A... : supermonkeyballz
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    I couldn't figure out though what it means when it says Search X. I went to the big purple dot in Thieve... : trove
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      I also need to "search thieves landing" to complete that outfit and dont know wtf. : KxRook
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        I'm not certain but I think you'll see a purple ? mark of your "target" somewhere within the purple circ... : pyide
        • Now that I think about it, that's probably the only case for some stranger missions though because you ge... : pyide
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        the piece is inside a warehouse near the general store. if you go in the back entrance, it's upstairs in : Majuju
        • Thank you Majuju. : KxRook
    • http://news.filefront.com/red-dead-redemption-cheats/ : pancake humper
  • Good to know. I've been using the Duster Outfit, which I'm not even sure how I unlocked it, but I defini... : AltZero
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  is there a full list of multiplayer titles available? I mean I already unlocked the most awesome one of a : Degenerate
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    I think mine is Mail-order cowboy. : azenmaster
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      haha that was the first one I picked too! :D : Degenerate
      • great fools think alike : azenmaster
    • Mine's "Stew Brewer" : zuff
  • There is probably around 200 or so. Currently, I'm using "Pilgrim" in honor of The Duke. : saunders45
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    Cow Lover? Why did you let me shoot that cow in the face then? : BanjoBoy
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      maybe I got it for shooting YOU after you shot the cow : Degenerate
      • You were lucky I shot that Marshal who was coming after you! I took all the heat! : BanjoBoy
      • I almost forgot about shooting your donkey, too! : BanjoBoy
• i hope there are more missions involving riding a mine cart down a hill while shooting stuff : mwasher
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  I don't know how many of you have done it yet, but every once in a while set down the controller (make su... : pyide
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    THERE'S NO TIME! I have animals to shoot and people to rob. : zuff
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      Go have a piss, grab a drink and come back. Just don't pause the game when you do so! : pyide
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        I also heard if you don't break to take in the scenery every once in a while, your horse & Marston can di... : pyide
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          I will die with a gun in my hands pointed at a armadillo then, because I cannot stop! : zuff
          • Armadillo carpaces are worth big money. : trove
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  Wild Animal Stories I grabbed a new Bounty in town and headed out to find him near Rio Bravo. Just as... : AltZero
  • haha, now THAT'S cool : dedgecko
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    I did the same, but it was by this bunch of rocks that was hard to maneuver around, so I lost the bounty ... : vov1n
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      Bounty Hijack: I was doing the bounty you described here (Repentance Rocks?) and the same sort of thing h... : Majuju
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        Hahah awesome! I got lucky because the lions attacked me before the Bounty and his men saw me, so they w... : AltZero
        • Oh and yes I think it was Repentance Rocks. : AltZero
      • yeah that's it, i haven't attempted it again, i just went and did other things because that pissed me off... : vov1n
      • I had a good one. I strolled into the camp slowly on horseback. It didn't trigger an attack, but one gu... : jake
      • Mine still hasn't arrived. :( : Rice-Rocketeer
    • also because my horse was stupid i shot him in the head, that's probably why 6 mountain lions attacked me... : vov1n
  • "Clever girl..." - Jurassic Park Hunter : dengar65
  • Damn mountain lions >:( Last night one ran up and mauled my horse, killing it. Then it ran off into the ... : nodge69
• That's what she said. : lotus2133
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  So I have an extra Golden Guns code for 360. Does anyone want to trade for any other code? : Pacalon
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    If no one trades I'd love a gimme : lohke
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      I've got lots of friends who would love a gimme too, haha. : Pacalon
      • Post 23,000,000! : GrimmyD
  • I would gladly trade my golden guns code for that outfit code. Anyone wanna help us out? : deadhorse
  • Noone has an extra code of anything else? =( : Pacalon
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  still cant connect to the rockstar servers. Anyone else unable to do so still? : Vanitas
  • I still haven't been able to. I've tried at least a dozen times. I want my damn Warhorse! : AltZero
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    I still couldnt when I got home yesterday but tried again late before going to bed and it finally worked ... : Degenerate
    • Hmm good to know. I'll try late at night or early in the morning before work. : AltZero
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    I still can't connect to the Rockstar validation servers as well. : ErichTopp
    • yeah same here, i've given up for now : vov1n
    • Don't keep retrying it after a failed attempt. Exit back out to the main menu and go back into DLC. Once ... : pancake humper
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    for people with problems validating your code, set your alarm for like 3am and activate it then. it was... : oHnOES
    • Could you just come over to my house and wake me up around 3? : zuff
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  We need to start a Pro-Tip thread or a thread about cool stuff you can do or find. : Sgt_Boomstick
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    Pro-Tip: avoid mountain lions : Degenerate
    • Pro-Tip: also avoid bears : smackpiece
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    Pro-Tip: Avoid Fighting at Night : zuff
    • No kidding, I don't know what it is, but I find myself doing 80% of the missions at night. Can't get out ... : Sgt_Boomstick
  • Pro-Tip: never go near TNT crates in multiplayer. : azenmaster
  • If you are on your horse you can lasso people and drag them around if you keep the left trigger down. : riptyde
  • Pro-tip: Don't get shot by guns. : snot3353
  • PRO-TIP: In horseshoes, you can aim by pulling LT. Just center the post in the open space of the horsesh... : Clasifyd
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    Pro-tip: Someone just explained to me that you unlock horses for purchase by breaking them in the wild. S... : silent prophet
    • How can you tell what kind of horse is that you just broke? : zuff
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  I've been wandering the wilderness as much as everyone else, but I've also been doing the story missions, : beanman101283
  • that's what happens when your strollin in the wild wild west : mwasher
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    God damn it, I usually avoid spoilers but I clicked this one! : at0micgarden
    • considering the name is "The Hanging of Bonnie" when it starts it's not that big of a spoiler. Also it's... : mwasher
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      I tried to give enough context at the beginning so that people would know if they had done that mission o... : beanman101283
      • my fault entirely. I'm sure I'll get there tonight anyway! : at0micgarden
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    Yea I feel like a lot of the missions have that "OH WELL, NO BIG DEAL" feel after they're complete. It's : snot3353
    • just another day for John Marston, no big thang : mwasher
    • I really don't like the GTA style of writing games. I mean I think they're serviceable on their own, but ... : DeBurgo
  • yea it comes across as really weird.. especially when everyone just leaves you stranded wherever you comp... : happynoodle
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  Has anyone gotten the Gentleman's Attire? It's listed on the back of the manual, says when you sign i... : pyide
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    i have, but i didnt need to create a rockstar account : oHnOES
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      Are you confusing it with the Elegant Suit that lets you cheat at poker? I already had an account, bu... : pyide
      • no, its a white suit with no hat : oHnOES
  • Yeah, I got that. I just went into the social club screen. Didn't sign up or anything, but I'm not sure... : deadhorse
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  Lasso , hogtie, crouch , cut throat . Ive only done it a couple of times .it really bothers me for some ... : Cashh
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    I've tried to knife people when they are on the ground, but he never does. Do they have to be hogtied? : atom519
    • I could never do it even if they were hogtied : pancake humper
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    Explain how you do this, please! : zuff
    • Crouch/duck with your knife out left trigger+right trigger. They need to be hogtied. : Cashh
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  So the advanced campsite doesn't give you any ammo if you already have some. How much does it give you i... : riptyde
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    says it fills it. i have never come anywhere close to running out of ammo on repeaters or revolvers th... : mwasher
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      I feel like i wasted $175 on this thing if it won't refill me unless i am totally empty. : riptyde
      • it would only cost me around $75 or so with the price reductions i have and i still don't think it is wor... : mwasher
• I'm having an absolute blast with it so far, havent done much but free roam MP so far, need to change tha... : DonarUDL
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  Holy crap, look at these PS3 and Xbox comparison shots. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21... : Reeves
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    unless you're playing it side-by-side who cares? : dedgecko
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      Yeah, it's not a big deal except for the foliage. That's bad. : Rice-Rocketeer
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        it's some grass... not the end of the world. : dedgecko
        • It makes a pretty good difference when you have a cougar hiding in the grass a few feet away from you. Se... : ArtilleryMarker
  • Reeves, how many chars did you get up to lv61 in borderlands? : Old8Leg
  • That's pretty damn noticeable if true. : atom519
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    I chose POORLY! I guess the PC version will redeem the image quality for me... : etherboy
    • I wait silently :D : Godhatesfatpeople
    • Why is everyone assuming there will be a PC version? The developers already said there are no plans for i... : VegasX
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    I thought they said the games were identical except for the resolution? The PS3 version obviously has les... : sanchez
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      Seems like it's missing AF as well. The textures on objects in the distance seem more blurry when compar... : atom519
      • Well this is an updated version of the engine used in GTAIV. : Godhatesfatpeople
  • It does look "worse" but the difference is so small and the game still looks so fucking good anyways that... : NastyJack
  • Holy god people are obsessive. : Sexpansion Pack
  • People at ASS said the same thing http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/05/read-dead-redemption-360-vs... : Godhatesfatpeople
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    yeah but i have a PS3 and not a 360 so what do i do now? HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO PLAY THIS GAME WITH NO GRA... : dopeman
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      Get drunk - it'll blur everything together and you'll be just fine! : dedgecko
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        honestly though, i play this on a 32" HDTV sitting ~60-70" away, and the game looks fine to me. a little... : dopeman
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          What if you gotta take a crap and can't find any leaves to wipe with? : sanchez
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            i'd just use one of the stray cats around my building. : dopeman
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              ass2ass? : sanchez
              • cat2ass : dopeman
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  So I saw some dude threatening a whore in an alley.. he ended up stabbing and killing her before I could... : dante2010
  • That happened to me yesterday.. I was like Ooo should I run up and click Y?? By that time she was dead. ... : Lucien Irenicus
  • i killed him and saved her and she said thanks and that's it : wtf242
  • The random encounters seems a little loose. Pretty sure you have to kill the dude before the whore is de... : loppsided
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  Has anyone found a horse in the wild that once broken is superior to the WarHorse (pre-order DLC). So far... : Sgt_Boomstick
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    how do you even tell which horse is better than another? just the speed? : wtf242
    • Size of it's dick. : Godhatesfatpeople
    • They say in the descriptions on the deeds. They usually mention speed. But the warhorse says it is faster... : Sgt_Boomstick
    • Stamina too. From the comments, it sounds like you can bring a horse to a stable to get stats on them. : deadhorse
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      they have stats just like the guns. Just go to the horse dealer : sKetchflow
      • by horse dealer do you mean the general merchant who sells deeds? i didn't notice any stats other than s... : mwasher
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        wtf horse dealer? Where? : ArtilleryMarker
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          Early in the game, it's the general store. I've yet to buy one (or activate my warhorse; thanks Social cl... : Entity
          • See my post below. I can't see the stats for my current horse though. : ArtilleryMarker
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    how do you access the war horse though? is it just the first horse given to you in the game? also, can ... : dopeman
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      I don't have any preorder bonus but you should have a deed in your inventory that you can click to activa... : ArtilleryMarker
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        gracias, i'll try this when i get home! : dopeman
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          also, i wish i knew this so i could have beaten that bitch in a race : dopeman
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            she was really really easy even with the stupid default horse???? : wtf242
            • the first time i rode my horse off a cliff so i'm pretty sure it's the horses fault and not mine. : dopeman
          • You can beat her with the normal horse. : Sgt_Boomstick
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    I'm annoyed that you can't sell horses. : pyros
    • Bonnie should totally buy them for the ranch. : massdev
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    I really don't get the horse thing. I bought a horse for $150 and it was total crap. Then, when I tamed a... : cdrd
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      Hitch the horse, run away from the horse, call your horse with the UP on Dpad and it should have a saddle... : massdev
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        my golden pearl just got killed on a mission :( : wtf242
        • so wrong, so so wrong. : massdev
        • wait 60 seconds, whistle, back from the dead! : mwasher
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        How the hell do you figure out what model of horse you are riding? And where's the horse radio controls? : DrZettl
        • Go to the general store; scroll down in the first window to see a description of the horses. I don't have... : massdev
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  Btw if anyone has an extra warhorse DLC for the PS3 I will trade them for golden guns DLC (+fame) : massdev
  • are the golden guns any good? i have a code but have not used it : wtf242
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  The codes for the Deadly Assassin outfit is going for $30 bucks on Ebay. I didn't really care for it so I... : K0LM
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    lol really? wtf : Degenerate
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      I usually don't use the codes if they screw up the balance of the game. So for shit n giggles I looked it... : K0LM
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        i just read an article that golden guns has gone for $60 on ebay.. combined golden guns + deadly assassin... : wtf242
        • I guess I could have hold out but I am still really happy to get the game for 30 bucks than. : K0LM
        • SEE SHACKERS I'M OFFER 60 DOLLARS WORTH OF VALUE ACT NOW! : massdev
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          no shit? totally putting mine on ebay : mwasher
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            I sell every code i've ever gotten on eBay, helps offset the cost of the game : Tattoo Trav
            • well if it sells for $20 then between that and the $20 back from amazon makes it an awesome purchase! : mwasher
      • I would have done the same thing : Degenerate
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        Fuck I should've sold that warhorse. I regret using it because, like you said, it screws up the balance. : Edges
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          I head the deadly assassin one is way unbalanced....but who knows. The horse ones are going for about 25-... : K0LM
          • I take that back the horse codes are 40 and up : K0LM
      • The code can also be used to download the soundtrack from http://www.rockstargames.com/reddeadredemption/... : pyide
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    Heh, thanks for mentioning this. I just posted my extra golden guns code on there. : deadhorse
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      It looks they golden guns are at about 10-15 now. But some of the auctions are going way lower. : K0LM
      • Yeah, I just threw it on there as a 1-day auction with a starting price of $5. Hope I can get at least $... : deadhorse
  • which is funny since you can make your own in game : grendel
• GRRRR Still not here from gamefly. I almost want to go buy it at gamestop now and return it when my copy... : RetroRedEyeJr
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  ya fuck me i bought it .. i know this will end in my backlog but .. im weak : Frush81
  • It may not.. =) Some other games could just as easy. : Pneum0
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  The bitch stole my horse, I shot her in the back : Tattoo Trav
  • I had that happen just a little bit ago, except after I shot her.. I walked over to look at her.. and she... : tarsius
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  Any reason why my aim assistance would suddenly stop working on animals but not humans? : Lunatic Angelic
  • I think it's a bug, it happened to me once but came back after some time. : ArtilleryMarker
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  I just bought my American Standardbred (Black horse, super fast!) after looking for it for 2 hours up nor... : ArtilleryMarker
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    I wonder if its faster than a War Horse? : Sgt_Boomstick
    • Don't know since there doesn't seem to any horse stats other than slow, medium and fast. : ArtilleryMarker
  • So it is true that you have to find a particular horse in the wild in order to make it available for purc... : AltZero
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  Amazon Codes Question I did the amazon pre-order, where can I get that golden gun code? : MagicWishMonkey
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    I got an email with the code yesterday. : hirosushima
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      Goddamnit, I've deleted all of my recent amazon emails. Fuck. Is there any way to get them to re-send... : MagicWishMonkey
      • Ahhh, nevermind, just checked in the box and there was a card with the code. NM : MagicWishMonkey
  • mine was emailed to me : mwasher
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    some people got an email, some got it in the game box, some got both. : sigpro
    • I got both : YerMothah
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  They just patched the invisibility bug in mutiplayer.. woohoo! http://kotaku.com/5544100/rockstar-patc... : mukumuku
  • glad they are on top of this, : oHnOES
  • Rockstar released a patch that fast? : hirosushima
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  I love the game. My dog HATES it. The dog has always been skittish around thunder, fireworks, etc but... : re-verse
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    Headphones? : ArtilleryMarker
    • Not at the distance I sit from my tv. Plus, I've sent so much on nice speakers, I'd hate not to use th... : re-verse

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• Alien : retardhumper
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  Haute Tension http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338095/ : shakybonez31
  • That's a very gory movie. : NastyJack
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    That's a very gory movie. : NastyJack
    • and a poor scenario unfortunately : caveatemptor
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  The Thing : Marauder IIC
  • I second this scary emotion. : cerealSAM2
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    Oh the thing could be a good one. we haven't watched john carpenter movies... i guess he does what I desc... : barichnikov
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      The thing has quite a few really gruesome parts though. : flagg209
      • The effects have aged enough that they're not too bad anymore - they still hold up, they're just dated. ... : genom
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    I love this movie but it might be too gory for OP. : Wikus Van De Merwe
    • Probably. Though I only really remember one scene that I would consider gory. The CPR scene. There was bl... : Marauder IIC
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  Identity : theghostofsmdever
  • I really enjoyed this movie. : phate81
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    ^^^^ Also Memento. : Rehevkor
    • Since when is Memento horror/suspense? It's good movie though : Gylis
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  The Orphanage : phate81
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    haha we saw this one a couple of weeks back, and we laughed cause it was so ridiculous. is that the one w : barichnikov
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      No, thats the Orphan. The Orphanage is a spanish flick and its fantastically creepy. One of my favorites. : uglysad
      • http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0464141/ : uglysad
      • cool, noted. : barichnikov
      • The Orphanage is excellent. The Orphan is silly. : beanman101283
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  let the right one in, drag me to hell, and if you're really bored, the 4th kind. : darcspeed
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    Let the Right One In - awesome, watch this. : ezanga
    • I agree with Let the Right One In. : geedeck
    • Yessss. : beanman101283
    • Good movie, but I didn't think it was scary at all. : Wikus Van De Merwe
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    Watched this with my wife after the shack recommendation and I did not find it very suspenseful at all, n... : quazar
    • It's not scary, bÅ«t it's an interesting take on vampires nonetheless. I found it to be really atmosph... : Gylis
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  Drag Me To Hell : beanman101283
  • ^^ Amazing movie. : HL3dsx
  • ^^^^^^^^ : bolneze
  • I was pleasantly surprised by this. Sam Raimi still has it :) : skitfish
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    What did you guys like about it? I thought it was rather gimmicky. Body fluid horror. Vomit this, spit th... : Marauder IIC
    • I tend to agree. I was a little bored with it. It has some decent moments, though. : genom
• Dead Again, with Emma Thompson and Kenneth Branagh. : cerealSAM2
• What Lies Beneath : uglysad
• My wife is a suspense light weight. She liked Knowing with Nic Cage. It wasn't a great film from any ob... : kek
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  I can't recommend the movie Spurloos enough. It's a dutch movie and it translates to The Vanishing. It is... : NastyJack
  • nice suggestion!! thanks! : barichnikov
  • Correct Dutch name is: Spoorloos In case you can't find it : Drankje
  • I've tried to find it but haven't been able to :( : c0bra
  • Also, don't watch the American version. And don't read any spoilers. Such a good movie. : Gary the Llama
• I'm going to recommend this movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091223/ It's a horror comedy sort... : flagg209
• Quarantine : Mansmells
• REC : niceguynick
• The Host http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaxwv1rndPI&feature=related Fantastic movie, very sad :-( : ezanga
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  The Strangers or Funny Games. : akirabob
  • I really liked The Strangers, gave me the chills : tfsbrian
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  It's an older movie but The Game with Michael Douglas is pretty awesome. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt01... : silent77
  • Another great great movie. : HL3dsx
  • This movie is fucking fantastic. Wholeheartedly recommended. : thetangent
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  Keep them coming I'm writing them down :D Hey what was it, there was a remake that came out 1-2 years ... : barichnikov
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    The Mist. : NastyJack
    • The Mist , while one of my favorite movies, is different than The Fog. The Mist > The Fog : jcrockerman
  • Avoid the remake of The Fog. See The Mist instead. : Stoned Gargoyle
• Swordfish : MaverickOrig
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  The Usual Suspects : MaverickOrig
  • we're talking scarier that that :D : barichnikov
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  The Mist lol : YerMothah
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    I thought The Mist was pretty good. : darcspeed
    • that was the one i described in my second post. Thanks ! : barichnikov
  • I personally rank The Mist higher than The Descent. They're both awesome revivals of the style of horror ... : Syixxs
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  Antichrist : redfive
  • +1 lol : CRaY SV1
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    that movie loooks traumatic as fuck. i saw the trailer, and I'm pretty sure I never wanna see that. O_o : barichnikov
    • i couldn't make it through the first hour. the movie is just made me feel so insanely uncomfortable. : ass-street
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      your wife will be so horny by the end of it after you cum you'll be sending me a SM thanking me : redfive
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        haha that's a trap! doesnt he excise her or somethign ? or she does it herself. bunch of crazy fuckers. : barichnikov
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          with rusty scissors, and she crushes his balls. yeah good times. Also deer running with stillborn stuck ... : barichnikov
          • doesn't that get you all hot and bothered? : redfive
  • That's one insane movie. Jesus.. : Drankje
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    Is it worth the watch in reality? And would my g/f get all hot and bothered by it? : YerMothah
    • No and no : Drankje
    • http://www.theonion.com/video/denmark-introduces-harrowing-new-tourism-ads-direc,14403/ : Marauder IIC
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  gigli : xxiv
  • dreadful indeed : caveatemptor
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  The House of the Devil - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1172994/ : thinkp0l
  • do not for any reason watch this movie. if you like 3rd rate knockoffs of bad movies it's almost passable... : akirabob
  • Seconding this. I looooved this movie. The first 3/4 are just full of building, unrelenting dread. I didn... : Gary the Llama
  • Just got done watching this, what an amazing film.. but I'm a sucker for 80's films.. so this having the ... : tarsius
• Dear Zachary : semaphore
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  The Descent is the best horror movie of the last 10 years. : wretchedradio
  • yes! this man is right! : TheMadTaiter
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    the sequel was meh.. : e v i l
    • From what I've heard, "meh" is kind. It's supposed to be absolutely terrible but I went ahead and rented ... : wretchedradio
  • Word : peanut-
  • You mispelled [REC]. : c0bra
  • fuck that movie right in the fuck. i dont like scary movies and my wife made me watch it. fuuuuuck : riptyde
• The Last Winter is amazing and hardly anyone has seen it. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0454864/ : HL3dsx
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  For suspense: Silence of the Lambs, classic Mr. Brooks was surprisingly good Seven just to name a f... : kelzmelzer
  • mister brooks is a great choice here. love that movie. : akirabob
• The Stepfather with John Locke, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094035/ : aethyr
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  Does Jacob's Ladder fit my description ? : barichnikov
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    Sort of. It's more depressing and scary. : c0bra
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      check yo SMs bro : ass-street
      • I forgot to reply :( One sec. : c0bra
  • definitely! that's an awesome movie. : ass-street
• Some older films: Rope, Gaslight, Spellbound. : Fyunch Click
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  The Human Centipede? : hrdwregk
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    Good god no! : Ulfie
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      You saw it? My friend loaned me a copy I am curious and a little frightened. : hrdwregk
      • Its not that bad. : pimpium
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  The Mothman Prophecies though it's very polarizing. One of my favorites. : Gary the Llama
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    Also, Audition. : Gary the Llama
    • Fuck that movie. For reals. : Rauol Duke
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    The soundtrack to this moving is one of my favorites of all time. : thinkp0l
    • moving movie : thinkp0l
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      Yes! The sound design is also great. I feel that's what makes it such a creepy movie for me. : Gary the Llama
      • tomandandy score composers also worked on The Strangers : thinkp0l
  • I thought the movie in general was kind of meh, but the way things came together in the end was done very... : riptyde
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  [REC] & [REC]2! : Haku-Jin
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    there's a REC 2? is it out and what's it like? : niceguynick
    • I am not sure what to make of the sequel... I can't call it bad or anything, but it's definitely a step d... : Gylis
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  Daybreakers : biofrog
  • No : Drankje
• Inland Empire : jvox
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  I've got something you and your wife can watch that has suspense and horror! : mace
  • it's time for a new MACE MSPAINT! brb : Phil
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  If you don't mind subtitles try The Devil's Backbone, Directed by Guillermo del Toro who also did Pan's L : inchwide
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    i watched pan"s labyrinth, and adding DEvil's backbone to the list :D Thanks ! : barichnikov
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      If you like Guillermo del Toro's work, you'll like El Orfanato ( The Orphanage ). Guillermo del Toro has... : jcrockerman
      • i love his work. it's on the list :D : barichnikov
  • Good call. The Devil's Backbone is great. : Gary the Llama
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  I was thinking about creating a similar thread, but I had seen all the movies that have been recommended ... : Gylis
  • Yup, there's still one: A Serbian Film No, I haven't seen it. : Gary the Llama
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    If you want batshit crazy, that's another thing altogether. www.imdb.com/title/tt0094057/ www.imdb.c... : aethyr
    • But are these actually scary? I suppose my wording was wrong, I do not want to wander into the realm of r... : Gylis
• oldboy It will blow your mind. : tometome
• May is a great, funny little horror movie. Also, The Woods is a nice slow burn. (Both by the same dir... : Gary the Llama
• Also, if you're into the whole Asian horror thing, here's a list. (Ignore any American remakes, except ma... : Gary the Llama
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  In the Mouth of Madness. Watched this on the shack's recommendation and fucking loved it. One of the best... : fuell
  • Good call. Great movie. The effects will look pretty bad today, though (particularly the end bit). : genom
• Eden Lake is about as tense and nail biting as it got for me. : nodebug
• A few older films to add to your list if you haven't seen them: The Haunting (1963) Carnival of Souls... : Gary the Llama
• In The Mouth Of Madness : at0micgarden
• Event Horizon and The Devils Advocate. : thetangent
• [REC] : MrLobo
• The original Wicker Man is creepy in an odd way, also i have not seen it but i hear Blood Simple is prett... : stophelping37
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  I haven't pimped this in a long time so here goes: Ginger Snaps http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0210070/ ... : dognose
  • Yup I saw that in my canadian film course years ago. I should put it on the list for my wife's benefit. : barichnikov
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  Bubba Hotep? (lol) I dvr'ed this the other night and have yet to re-watch it. : hoopfam4
  • It's awesome, but not really scary : caveatemptor
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  Session 9 and Beneath The Surface. : ErichTopp
  • Session 9 was creepy as fuck : spiffymc
• Candyman (some gore), Dead Ringers, The Ninth Gate (more creepy and foreboding), Phantasm : heartsauce
• Martyrs : CrustaR
• Seriously reply, El Orfanato. This move is probably one of the best scary movies I have seen without the ... : shortbuscaptain

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• it's at least one of the few gaming soundtracks I regulary listen to. Also MW2 Mercenaries - I vividly re... : razorblade79
• The MW2 intro is badass as well. : CrustaR
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  I agree, it introduced me to the Ninja Tune label : Aerioch
  • What does it have to do with Ninja Tune? Not exactly any Herbaliser or Amon Tobin... : Lone Swordsman
• This post is full of truth. The Outlaws soundtrack is second best. : trOmblyj
• I dunno. It's been overdone now, but i still really like the FF6 soundtrack. It will always be top in my ... : mindmann
• Oh hey are any of you playing MW2 MekTek? Didnt they release that not too long ago? : zuff
• I still have the CD in my car. It was so awesome how the game and soundtrack was on the same disc : Edges
• Fallout 1's soundtrack is the bomb : ass-street
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  Carmageddon : Crabs Jarrard
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    didn't Carmageddon 3 have some horrible band do the entire thing? : c0bra
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      that's why he said "carmageddon" and not "carmageddon 3" : barichnikov
      • I was asking a tangential question. : c0bra
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    And Carmageddon 2. Falling down was perfect for that game. : Beady
    • Why can't somebody make another Carmageddon game? (like 2) : ShadowRam
• MW2 was good, but MW3 had a better intro! : YerMothah
• Little Big Adventure. MW2 was pretty BADASS though! : pyros
• Best game ever... with the best soundtrack ever... still have my disk and i play it from time to time. : ssj4megaman
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  I'd say the Chrono Cross soundtrack is my absolute favorite (Mitsuda's work is really good all around; th... : ZTac
  • Both Chrono games really stand out. : Conan
  • You mean Chrono Trigger, right? : snot3353
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  Total annihilation I just think any other answer is wrong.. : bigend1an
  • ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : YerMothah
  • Agreed. : MarkovChain
  • Yeppers. Still listen to it. : stump
  • TA is/was gold. : Old8Leg
  • I listened to the soundtrack more than I played the game. And I played the game a lot. : ecclesio
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  Quake 2 : cryptical
  • for sure : gokart.
  • quake 1 was pretty awesome : dantastic
• System Shock 2 : sanchez
• Deus Ex Castlevania: Symphony of the Night Quake 2 : The Grolar Bear
• obligatory interstate 76 reply that ends the threat : JohnnyDanger
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  Homeworld : Sailor of Fortune
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    The Yes song at the end just made it 100X better (and it was already great to begin with). :) : thetangent
    • I bought that album! : Sailor of Fortune
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      Which Yes song? Astral Traveller? :P : Orange Pylon
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        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBP6lFU-J2M : thetangent
        • Whoa, cool. : Orange Pylon
      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2AhjhYWDUM : midgetherder
  • This. Eot. : Wheatloaf
• Command and Conquer: RED ALERT had the best soundtrack ever created specifically for a game. I'd argue th... : thetangent
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  Jet Set Radio : Cheeziologist
  • Kind of cheating, I know : Cheeziologist
• agreed x1000. Here ya go: http://www.gamemusicjukebox.com/?id=5 Track 8...gives me chills. : uebersoldat
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  Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory for me. : nomaad
  • Presumably you know that was all by Amon Tobin. : Lone Swordsman
• Speaking of which, does anyone want to buy Mechwarrior 2 complete with the original big box and all of th... : deadhorse
• It's pretty goddamn close, yeah. I recently re-ripped my old disc's CD tracks in higher quality. : rudds
• I still listen to it regularly. : ADSliv
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  Heroes of Might and Magic 2 or 3 had epic opera music. : Pantene Pro-V
  • These are good choices. : The Grolar Bear
• Finish the Fight from Halo 3 is pretty awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFOJ13sw8o4 : homeboyJim
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  HOMEWORLD : stygian_whisper
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    I liked homeworld, and I liked the music, but I don't think two songs a soundtrack makes. : daVinci1980
    • I had much more than two going on in it? : Toraz Chryx
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      huh? The game had 13 tracks total. This is my favorite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzo4ONrI8n8 : sanchez
      • I feel gipped, I swear I only ever heard two tracks. : daVinci1980
• Metal Gear Solid 2. I'd say 3 but only for I'M STILLLL IN A DREAAAAM, SNAKE EATERRRRRR. : Bamtan
• C&C had one of the most solid and varied soundtracks. Huge range of styles but they all worked well with ... : Beady
• The Witcher would like to have a word with you. : coyoterys
• Full Throttle. It was perfect in every way. : exigence7
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  Brutal. Fucking. Legend. : Deathlove
  • Agreed. Kabbage Boy is pretty rad. : Haxim
  • \m/ : Degenerate
• Final Fantasy 2/4 : Dynotaku
• shadow of the colossus does music best, the way it seamlessly changes as you start climbing up any given ... : silentbobuk
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  I cant believe nobody has mentioned Interstate 76 : Degenerate
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    http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=22999137#itemanchor_22999137 ;) : thetangent
    • damnit. I should have skimmed the thread twice! : Degenerate
  • Best pimping out music ever. : mad-d00d
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  The "Uncharted Worlds" track from Mass Effect always wins. Always. : Godhatesfatpeople
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpu5cTk_qvI : Godhatesfatpeople
• The entire soundtrack to Ikaruga is in my playlist : shyguy74
• Interstate '76 you fucking heathens : riptyde
• Burnout 3 by a long shot. : atom519
• Warcraft 2 was the only game that ever blew me away. : chungathebunga

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  Gamertag Sub-thread Mine: FreakyNiples69 not a typo, only one P : freakynipples69
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    this sounds like a lot of fun but i wont have the game till tomorrow (UK release dates, pffft) feel fr : purekillforce
    • added. : freakynipples69
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    hellospanky : Unleashed
    • added : freakynipples69
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    elbelcho - I haven't played rdr online yet, so this should be fun! : slickdoody
    • Neither have I! And you're already on my friends list. : freakynipples69
  • Add me too: DarkSaunders I'll be playing with friends at first, but I'll join up later. : saunders45
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    Eye O Wah (notice the spaces) I will be a bit late too but I'll be on sometime. : EyeOWah
    • added. : freakynipples69
  • Bear D Luffy : cigam
  • vov1n : vov1n
  • Gamertag: soggybagel : soggybagel
  • SeanJuan04 : SeanJuan04
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    DrTy pygmy or is this for long-time shackers? : tarsius
    • I don't discriminate! Added. : freakynipples69
  • SailorofFortune : Sailor of Fortune
  • sushi4life : hirosushima
• :( I want to play but I think I'll be at work till late 30 tonight. : kikilupo
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  Bob Aryan Can we start at 9pm EST for us West Coast Shackers? Or do West Coasters want to do our own gam... : hussdelrio
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    Added. Just join in at 9, I'm sure we'll be playing long into the night. : freakynipples69
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      Awesome, thanks. Does anybody know if DLC (such as Golden Guns or War Horse) transfers to multiplayer? : hussdelrio
      • They don't. : saunders45
      • No they don't. : deadhorse
  • West Coast here but I tend to get on around 8 PST - Gamertag: SeanJuan04 : SeanJuan04
• aaah but there is so much good tv finales on tonight! : dantastic
• Matchu : matchu
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  Shadowdane - My copy is out for delievery today! :D Do you have to play any SP before jumping in MP g... : Shadowdane
  • I don't believe so. : freakynipples69
• ill be online after i get home from work tonight. : -=kodiak=-
• Markemp My specialty is minesweeping (n/a here) and cannonfodder. : Markemp
• Gamertag: Amneziak Can't wait for some! : Amneziakk
• DJJazzyJeffmby hopefully I'll be able to get on tonight. : mcmmw
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  I can feel your 360 oppression and I am not happy! : moe6
  • maybe it's time to join the good guys and buy a 360? : skelom
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  I'm at work but delivery has been confirmed! : SockMonkeh
  • SockMonkeh btw : SockMonkeh
• If I get it tonight and see you playing, I will definitely join up :) : silent prophet
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  skelom ooooh... this might be first ever SHACKBATTLE : skelom
  • I'll be on for about an hour around 6:30pm PT (9:30pm ET) and then again later in the evening.... hopeful... : skelom
• at0micgarden : at0micgarden
• I will buy a headset just for this game. Hope to see you guys tonight! : deadhorse
• How does free roam work? If everyone is on my friends list, can you simply just join in on the free roam ... : freakynipples69
• I think I figured out my pesky strict NAT issue so I'll be there tonight laidbackballa : laidback
• I'm pretty sure I've sent out a friend invite to everyone who's posted their gamertag above this post thu... : freakynipples69
• zuffdaddy Let's do this shit! : zuff
• Name on Xbox is: inc I'll be on probably playing single... or i might be playing with some friends... : inc77
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  Official West Coast (Is the Best Coast) X360 Subthread: 11 PM EST / 8PM PST : Free Roam Signup - Gamert : bashildy@speakeasy.net
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh_9QhRzJEs#t=0m8s : oO SilentK Oo
• add me to the list. Sayter would be the gamertag. : sayter
• Blood Wraith : ColoradoCNC
• Ltx64 is my gamertag : deepburnt
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  Shackbattle begins in eta 20 mins! : freakynipples69
  • I'M READY TO ROCK!!! : soggybagel
• Can I get an invite? : Shadowdane
• smax626 Add me! i haven't had my 360 long, i need to fill up on contacts : smax
• Wish I knew bout this earlier, add me for future events, TheRealMegatron. : bob3578

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  the rooney part as fucking awesome : riptyde
  • hahaha yeah : g3dHorse
• load faster 1080p. : ant_hillbilly
• HAhaha, that was awesome. : Alco23
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  Fucking amazing. Nike's media team is unparalleled. Except that shacker who redid their site. That guy's : Deathlove
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    I didn't think they could do a good followup to the FPS Euro 2008 video, but this one is just as charming... : Bamtan
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      Link to which video you're talking about? I tried to find it but couldn't come up with anything. : Ecks
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        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsizQdNKhGg : Bamtan
        • Oh ya, that's one of my favorites by far. Gets me pumped to play every time I see it. : Ecks
• will let this buffer overnight and watch tomorrow : jvox
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  Awesome. This is directed by Alejandro Inarritu btw. : midgetherder
  • He's amazing. The GGB cameo reminds me that I've been meaning to watch Rudo Y Cursi. : treefingers1
  • And with Emmanuel Lubezki as the DP! : sgtsanity
• Haha goddamn that was awesome. : sammyl
• Fantastic. : Snuffles-
• awesome. the Rooney part was my favorite :D : nomaad
• that was awesome : gokart.
• Good stuff : Begawkiness
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  Excellent... this is till my fav nike commercial though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n51XmB5_rh4 : but why
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    I see you and raise you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwlpTgbQTE&feature=fvw : riptyde
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      I'm sorry but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egNMC6YfpeE has that beat. : moe6
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        http://adweek.blogs.com/adfreak/epicads12.html this still wins. : ibrokn
        • Sorry this wins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5gUn-aOyh4 : H@rvester
      • if one of these isn't the Tomlinson/Polamalu I'm banning you all. : Deathlove
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    This is my favorite non-soccer one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdF2lGSJWJ4 Makes me want to go bik... : Ecks
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      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woOu_4l3lio is my personal favorite : DonarUDL
      • If we're going for basketball, I pick this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBxcunGc_nA : Ecks
• That was really good. : spiffymc
• Amazing, really liked how they showed you the players' country and followers as they were playing- was ho... : kabex
• wait wat, Drogba didn't dive! :D : moe6
• Love it. Nike GETS advertising. : pyros
• more excitement in 3 minutes then you will get out of the entire world cup. good work nike : maulla
• Holy crap that is good. Though half of those players spent more time on their feet in that advert than... : Beady
• haha that was great : DonarUDL
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  I must be dead inside because it does nothing for me : shred.
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    I think it's because we don't follow soccer : lukej1337
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      That is probably why I don't care for it. I am well aware that soccer is HUGE in the rest of the world, a... : shred.
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        that's how the rest of us feel about the Super Bowl and etc. Except there's no chatter either hahaha. : moe6
        • Soccer is much greater than Football. : Derringer
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        That's probably the case. I watch the commercial and all I can thin is "True. True. They nailed it." beca... : zehh
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          except all of the above players are known for the results of their entire careers instead of the single s... : steelsamurai
          • No, not really. There are memorable games that really stay - guys who become villains for an entire natio... : zehh
          • i get what you're saying, but still, roberto baggio's PK miss is how i remember him. frank ribary was mad... : jipey
  • there was a split second of two brazilian girls dancing in the stands in green and yellow bikinis. That w... : steelsamurai
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  that looks epic as hell. why is soccer so boring in real life then : spiderfill
  • it's like movies about football, same effect. : gokart.
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    Pass - Pass - Pass - Out of bounds - Pause - Throw in - Pass - Pass - Pass - Penalty - Mild Argument - Pa... : trove
    • then there's italian football: dive-dive-dive-cry-bocadipeppo-dive-dive-mammamia-dive : proclone1
  • because you think it's boring : Bamtan
  • Because it's not? : Ebu
  • It's not. I watch this and it makes me count the days for the matches to start. Can't wait. : zehh
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    It's no more boring than baseball! : sammyl
    • oh god baseball is almost as boring as golf : spiderfill
    • Quite the ringing endorsement I can only assume you are in PR : bipolar
• It's Focus with Hocus Pocus, favorite song ever ! : imperator
• Love the USMNT cameo, the smugness was just perfect : Lionhart32935
• wow that was fucking really well done. : RogerDandy
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  of course ronaldo gets fouled : bluewagon
  • But he didn't cry immediately. : Derringer
• the unofficial trailer is fucking great too World Cup 2010 - Wavin Flag http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... : filthysock
• ronaldo taking a dive and getting a call; sounds about right : devpaul
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  That is amazing. So very good. Can we start replacing baseball with soccer now? : mattavius
  • sure, we'll get right on that after we replace actual hockey with olympic hockey : Deathlove
• Pretty damn cool : jonin
• That is damn good. : ShekkyBoy
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  Rooney's pretty good at ping pong. : bluey25
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    haha, that was Federer : kevp
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      Seriously? What other stars made cameos in this video? : treefingers1
      • Kobe : sm00v3d
      • Bernal http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0305558/ : Bamtan
• nobody buy a caravan from rooney : jimmy-buffett
• awesome indeed : fuzzydamnit
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  Anyone know the name of the marketing firm behind those soccer ads? They're fantastic. : Ellissd
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    W+K does all their stuff. : ibrokn
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      Wieden+Kennedy http://www.wk.com/ : humbleone
      • Yea, they had a pretty good write up on the video posted above! Wieden+Kennedy is proud to present Nik : Ellissd
• awesome : synapse19
• HAHAHAH ROONEY. : soggybagel
• For some reason my droid says this video is unavailable :( both via youtube app and inbrowser : proclone1
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  Soccer sucks, but this ad rocks. : themaestro2657
  • Agree, they made soccer entertaining. :} : DM7

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  New vs. Used Videogames, and the war on First-Sale Doctrine Let me get this out of the way by stating ... : mancide
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    TL;DR Games industry, follow Valve. : one random winner
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      I think there is a place for getting something from used-market sales. I don't think that "online passes"... : mancide
      • Most of what you said, at least from the developer side of things, falls into the Steam model. Of course... : one random winner
    • How is his argument pro-valve? Valve doesn't have a resell market. : CRasterImage
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    manicide, while you make a number of good points, many of which I agree with, you have to let the LEGO Ro... : Haxim
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      I still have to pay them for the transfer token. It shouldn't matter how I purchased or obtained the disc... : mancide
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        If there was a way to distinguish between purchasing a used copy and a rental then I would agree. But rea... : Haxim
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          You said it yourself, they could offer a non-pack-in code purchase, which could be more expensive. I migh... : mancide
          • I also still have some pent up anger at them from Guitar Hero II when I scratched the disc, and emailed t... : mancide
  • TL;DR - mancide likes hyphens. While I somewhat agree with you, the fact that the games talked about s : SiW.
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    There is a basic flaw in this post. Several times you say "give me a reason to give you \[more]\ of my... : cornchak
    • Please pretend like I didn't fuck up those italics. : cornchak
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      Anytime something is physical, people are going to expect it to be able to be bought and sold in a second... : mancide
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        Games aren't physical, though -- it's an experience. The disc itself is just a transfer medium. Physi... : walker270
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          Yeah, the digital distribution age changes the game and I see what a huge shift it would be for the "expe... : loppsided
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            Right now you have companies like Gamestop who sell a new version of the game for full price, buy it back... : walker270
            • No argument there -- personally I don't buy anything from Gamestop (their prices suck), but I do from Gam... : loppsided
            • But that doesn't really happen anywhere. If that was true, I'd be making way more money. Most people ... : mobab
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            q [[...] I can't recall any one of these companies lowering their baseline prices once they're raised. ]q... : mobab
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              Then you both need to go and read up on inflation. Prices have dropped pretty dramatically in the last... : uncleanmonkey
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                If some baseline prices had dropped, then I'm not aware of it. These things might be outside my window o... : mobab
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                  Did you just completely ignore my post but reply to it anyway? Maybe if I spell out the syllables: IN-... : uncleanmonkey
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                    And I'm asking you what prices because everything I've been buying has increased in price due to inflatio... : mobab
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                      PC games were 50 bucks 15-20 years ago, and they're still 50 bucks. Console games were ridiculously expen... : uncleanmonkey
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                        As an actual data point. Playstation games, which had the chepar media (not cartridges) sold games for 50... : uncleanmonkey
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                          hahah, I was just thinking about wolframalpha to help show some functions to some people. Anyways.. C... : mobab
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                            But if the price has "stayed the same" then it HAS lowered because of inflation. Do you not understand ho... : uncleanmonkey
                            • Dude, I do understand, except I'm splitting what I see as the price that I literally pay for and the valu... : mobab
        • walker, on this we agree 100%. : Fred Garvin
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        you argument here loses merit when you consider something that is truly physical, like a car. The first p... : Slowtreme
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          DVDs have a limited lifespan. That car may work like new for 25 years. The DVD may get scratched and sto... : pyros
          • Games, movies, music are content. But they have to be delivered on some medium be it CD's, DVD's, Blu-ray... : Sailor of Fortune
          • You're over simplifying things. Realistically, most video games are consumed in a short timespan. The DVD... : noxiousgg
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        Anytime you go to war with your customers over second-hand sales, you take the risk of losing potential f : rudds
        • So because it does not have a direct and substantial impact on me personally, I am not allowed to have an... : Ebu
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    For reference, some of the titles with this policy have a precedent for adding new free content. EA sport : derelict515
    • And by buying that used copy, Devs get less money to cover increasing costs. So what do they do? Next gen... : saunders45
  • I'm not going to agree. Your main argument seems to be you want to right to choose how much a game is wor... : Slowtreme
  • I would love to see a CD Key system on console like we have on PC, just to watch the hilarious rationaliz... : deveus1
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    Sorry, your argument breaks down in paragraph two. You do not have any well-established rights to resell ... : master_disaster_17
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      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine The first-sale doctrine as it relates to computer sof : mancide
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        Oh, console games sure as shit come with EULAs : rosewood
        • It's pretty much all that's left of the instruction manual. : one random winner
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          Even then it doesn't mean that it's legally enforceable in the way they intend it to be. I remember readi... : ninjase
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            It was probably this, and they are generally enforceable if they aren't crazy. http://en.wikipedia.org... : ra1n
            • May have been; iirc the part that was found to not be enforceable was the "this is only a license and you... : ninjase
      • Alright. even then, as long as the box clearly states that some elements of the purchase are only availab... : master_disaster_17
  • And this is why Steam sales rule! Old game? Yup! Cheap ass price? Yup! Full content? Hell ya! : anhero
  • PC gamers haven't been able to get online with a second-hand copy for many years; they're called CD keys.... : noxiousgg
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  I have zero issues with it. Used game sales and Gamestop are the reason for the price hike in game prices... : saunders45
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    I thought the price increase was because of the licensing fees Sony and MS instantly get from each copy s... : loppsided
    • I thought it was because games cost more to make now. : cetra00
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      I'm pretty sure most video game hardware has been sold at a loss. Also, not every person may buy a game n... : saunders45
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        Pulishers should charge gamestop and all used-game vendors a licensing fee for re-sale, and stop milking ... : loppsided
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          Or sell direct to consumer and cut Gamestop out. : mancide
          • They'd have to cut every other distributor out too though and they can't afford to do that. It's bad eno... : one random winner
• I see limiting online to the first buyer similar to product manufacturers limiting the warranty of it's p... : Clay
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  I'd like to address one point I keep seeing pop up in response: When you buy a new game, your money is... : mancide
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    one part of that is really not quite true. yes, the retailer buys the game from the company and then res... : dahanese
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      The developer gets their cut when the publisher sells the game to the wholesaling company. I doubt Amazon... : mancide
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        you are advocating game publishers stop using retailers? yeah, that will work well for the mass public... : dahanese
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          That's not what I'm advocating at all. The point I was trying to make, the publisher got their cut bef... : mancide
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            You're fixated on the transfer medium. What was the last PC game you were able to buy or sell used? Nothi... : derelict515
            • I don't remember. But I can remember when PC games were built on sharing and copying to get that initial ... : mancide
            • At least 5 years. : saunders45
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            But what happens when those new copies are all sold? The chain begins again, with the retailer ordering f... : Entity
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              Then maybe the Publishers should start a direct to consumer channel. : mancide
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                a lot of publishers do have that - the fact that even you don't know about it speaks volumes to how well ... : dahanese
                • also i cannot believe i just likened making a video game to farming. i'm going to kill myself right now f... : dahanese
          • i think that's the core argument against used games - that second person would have bought it new, thus b... : dahanese
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    Gamestop reduces that risk by only stocking preorders. Also, your understanding of the Publisher/Retai... : deveus1
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      I don't know specifics, but I'm speaking in general terms from retail experience I have. Like the liq... : mancide
      • which is a pretty silly assumption considering you're comparing it to a physical good with no resale mark... : derelict515
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        Well, the way alcohol is sold in the United States should not be compared to other industries as a genera... : deveus1
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          I realize alcohol retail is a special beast and HAS to be done in three-tier. But lots of other things ar... : mancide
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            As I said, your understanding of the Publisher/Retailer relationship is simply not true in many cases. : deveus1
            • I never said I was the expert. But the more this comes out, this doesn't seem like a good deal for th... : mancide
      • Videogames are not consumables. They are a product. : pyros
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    You have two identical products, one for $55 and one for $60. Which do you buy? That's gamestop's bus... : walker270
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      I haven't been to a Gamestop for a launch day title ever, but I assume they have $55 copies that day too?... : mancide
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        the thing is, even when you do buy it new Gamestop does everything they can to get trade ins. When Mario ... : derelict515
        • Gotta give Gamestop credit. They excel at having their cake and eating it too. : Clay
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          So gamestop found an efficient way to increase their profits. That's no different from any company. : mobab
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            Absolutely, but don't be surprised and bitch when your supplier takes measures to stop it. Their business... : derelict515
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              With all of this coming out it makes me scratch my head even further about why publishers don't simply st... : mancide
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                I'd really like to see # of sales Gamestop has vs. Best Buy / Target / Walmart. Does Gamestop make up ... : Clay
                • Question: Are there that many people who are not willing to buy their games at any other store besides g... : mobab
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                That, mancide, is the million dollar question. : saunders45
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                  I mean really, if Gamestop is essentially a video game pawn shop, would they even go out of business for ... : mancide
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                    I think new games are a big part of their cycle since people trade in old games for new ones. I think the... : Evil Benius
                    • These people are subsidizing old games to afford new games which means, some of these new sales wouldn't ... : mobab
      • I've never seen one. Gamestop RARELY stocks more than their pre-order copies of a game on launch day. Tha... : saunders45
      • Maybe not launch day, but certainly launch "window". i.e. first week. They'll sell out quickly at first, ... : uncleanmonkey
      • They usually show up within a week and people buy new games from other retailers too. Plenty of people... : Sailor of Fortune
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      If it's the exact same product then naturally I'm going to get it for $55 dollars. How is that bad? Tha... : mobab
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        It's bad for the developer - they don't get any of your money it's good for you - you get a cheaper copy... : Clay
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          The developer got money when it was first put into the retail market. Someone decided they didn't want... : mancide
          • The trade in value of games goes down over time like a rock. There's an incentive to trade it back in ... : Sailor of Fortune
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            The whole problem is that there's currently no incentive to get people to buy new, unless they simply can... : Clay
            • Yeah, GS has been doing this for a long time now and it makes up a huge chunk of their net revenues. I do... : Sailor of Fortune
          • That risk is pretty tiny. They know exactly what the sales figures are, remember, so it's not like they j... : uncleanmonkey
          • The way they price things, selling one used game will cover the cost of buying two used copies from peopl... : walker270
        • Like I said before, it's a fight between retailers and publishers. Leave the consumers out of this. H... : mobab
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      It's not exactly the same. It's been used. The DVD has wear. The bookletis creased, and there's some pric... : pyros
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        but the so-far-more-important-that-it-makes-your-point-worthless point is that the media on the disc is i... : Clay
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          It's not like you can tell the glasses in my example were used. What's your point? : pyros
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            My point is that the fact that it is used has a very negligible effect on it's value - so negligible that... : Clay
            • Not at all. If the glasses are scratched, people will be able to tell and will be less inclined to pu... : Ebu
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            Of course you can, they'll have physical wear and tear because the act of using them will cause wear and ... : uncleanmonkey
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              A DVD given good care will depreciate to an unusable state way faster than a glass given good care, which... : pyros
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                But the point is that if you buy a scratchy fucked up glass it won't be worth anything because it looks l... : uncleanmonkey
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                  If your scratched to shit CD still plays, are you going going to pay full price for it? If it only skips... : pyros
                  • They only have a different model of degradation, with different tolerances, but they are still physical p... : pyros
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                    I think considering someone's opinion on how much an item is worth int this context is losing argument on... : mobab
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                      My greater point is that video games, movies, music while needing of copyright protection, do not garner ... : pyros
                      • This is my point and issue. I, along with I think most people, prefer shiny new items. : Ebu
                • If a DVD is scratched JUST ONCE, it can render it unusable hours into the game, with no notice ahead of t... : Ebu
          • Can you back up your glasses like say your Lady Gaga CD album? The latter obviously has other implicat... : Sailor of Fortune
    • But they're not identical. One is opened, the other is not. In this model I pick the $60. Where used game... : ieGod
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    You don't know how this works. Stores don't *buy* the games flat out, they have the option of selling the... : uncleanmonkey
    • "not" not "net" : uncleanmonkey
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      I wouldn't have thought that. I always figured games that didn't sell went to the BARGAIN BIN. : mancide
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        I don't think I've even seen a bargain bin with new games in them.. Even so there's probably some cutoff ... : uncleanmonkey
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          I didn't say I have either, but the more pieces that are coming out in this thread, this is totally a Pub... : mancide
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            Who the hell is treating consumers as thieves? They're just giving you incentives to not sell/buy used ga... : uncleanmonkey
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              Some people in this thread? I mean, all the comments about "buying used doesn't pay the developer"... : mancide
              • if anybody is the thief, it's gamestop. : Clay
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        retail products are sold in all different ways. A lot of software is sold on consignment, in that the sup... : GloriousCow
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          See, I wouldn't have ever imagined video games or software being sold in this manner. That seems to take ... : mancide
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            This was kinda my point. You started off stating how things worked when you didn't actually know how they... : deveus1
            • Well, look on the bright side. What it did do was enlighten us on the actual process to some of us that ... : mobab
            • I didn't think you or dahanese were being a dick. I honestly wanted to know how it works if my assumption... : mancide
  • The developer doesn't get a cut until the publisher, duplicator, distributor, advances, marketing costs, ... : Fred Garvin
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    You are wrong. Best Buy, Walmart, Gamestop, etc. buy the games from the publishers. There is no wholesa... : xcalibur19
    • For Walmart and Best Buy yes. For smaller chains and mom and pop shops they buy from distributors. : Fred Garvin
• I buy games at the price I think they are worth. If I am really excited about a game I'll buy it new. If ... : Blackdawgg
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  I think it's more than a war on first-sale doctrine. I think it's a war on physical property. I think the... : The Key
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    If they want to kill any concept of ownership, they should simply make the industry lean towards a subscr... : pigvomit
    • This has a lot of truth to it. Perception to consumers plays a huge role. : ieGod
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    who's unchecked greed? the publisher or the middleman? : Clay
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      I'm viewing it as a captive market in the sense that it wouldn't take a lot of publishers to agree to hol... : The Key
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        Cartels only work for essential goods though. People would just play fewer games if they were to expensiv... : uncleanmonkey
        • ex DJ Hero, Tony Hawk Ride : derelict515
• This whole problem seems to be about how ownership rights regarding intangible services should differ fro... : phipple
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  gamers dont think most games are worth $60. but costs to make games is rising sharply with no end in sigh... : spiderfill
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    Rockstar spent another 100 million on RDR. : phil_mckraken
    • Correction: Rockstar spent $100m to build a new franchise, including upgrading the underlying technology,... : hussdelrio
• The whole thing is even more annoying when you have to pay MS for online gameplay, and now have to pay th... : Beady
• I'm always amazed that some people actually think video games should be given a pass on this, unlike ever... : Visceral Monkey
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  http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/63906 Gamestop is already embracing EA's online pass. Looks lik... : mobab
  • I am sure the arrangement for selling the Online Pass via retailers means the retailer gets a % of that $... : xcalibur19
• WAR ON VIDEO GAMES At least that's how I imagine a news story. : Chod
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  Imagine if Ford made it so that you had to pay them $5000 for "engine access" whenever you bought one of ... : ninjase
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    Yay, another comparison of two completely different products, markets, and industries! : xcalibur19
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      Yet they both fall under the Doctrine of First Sale exactly the same. : ninjase
      • Yes exactly the same. No difference at all. You truly are a scholar. : uncleanmonkey
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    Imagine if your post was relevant! : Clay
    • Imagine if your "arguments" weren't douchy! : ninjase
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    I feel like cars are unfair because unlike games you typically buy them rarely, and they deteriorate over... : Dave-A
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      I disagree with your last statement, other games have come out which would greatly diminish the relative ... : alexthegreat2
      • right, but 3 year old games, even new, wouldn't be at the "as new" price point. : Clay
      • But still, it would be the equivalent of buying a car from years ago that's been kept in stasis : Dave-A
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      But the main argument from developers is, "we don't see any money from the transactions that occur in the... : ninjase
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        It's true that they don't get any direct revenue from second hand sales, but no one blows through a new c... : Dave-A
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          And if people did do that with cars? : jim bone
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            They'd be stupid because they would loose thousands of dollars just by driving it off the lot. The pro... : uncleanmonkey
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              Sure, they'd be a bit crazy to do it, but I don't see any moral obligation to stop them from doing so. : jim bone
              • No, nor do I. I'm not sure what you're getting it. Cars aren't games. There would be no problem with peop... : uncleanmonkey
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          How does that change anything though? People rent DVDs all the time when they're brand new and turn them ... : ninjase
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            I believe for dvds at least the studios get a cut of the rental price. : Dave-A
            • And they have a run at the theatres where they don't have to deal with the problem so it's less of an iss... : uncleanmonkey
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              Even still, pretty much all goods that are sold second hand do not have this problem : ninjase
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                Furthermore, what about used DVD sales? That would actually be a much better comparison : ninjase
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                  I wonder if they matter as much, because a DVD is typically cheaper than a game? There would be less ince... : Dave-A
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                    See, I think the issue with games and movies is that you're paying for a physical thing, but the actual t... : Dave-A
                    • Well that's where copyright law comes in. : ninjase
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                  most places that sell DVDs aren't cannibalizing new sales with lower priced used sales. : Clay
                  • And? That still is not an argument against used games : ninjase
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                Second hand theatre tickets? Even if you could guarantee that there was no way the theatre would run out ... : uncleanmonkey
                • You can sell theater tickets second hand, there's an entire industry of ticket brokers that do this. You ... : ninjase
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      The consoles used to play those games will deteriorate over time. As much as I take care of my old hardw... : ghost in my shell
      • Oh and the online multiplayer portion of a game probably won't work in 10 years. : ghost in my shell
      • But people don't continually re-sell consoles over and over, like they do with games. : Dave-A
      • Comparing consoles to cars is perfectly valid and fine. Nobody has an issue with that. Those two ARE comp... : uncleanmonkey
    • Couches. TVs. CDs, DVDs. Computers. Stereos. Phones. Houses. Why not have a license to own a house... : Freon
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  Thanks guys for all the input on some misconceptions I had. I think some great points have been exposed i... : mancide
  • I think those are all very valid points to bring up =D : deveus1
  • The account thing is probably like the 360 where it's tied to the account that purchased it along with th... : Sailor of Fortune
• It really is a brilliant move by the developers/publishers whomever is pushing for this as it means for e... : Goto10
• You should talk about PC games as well, they're hardly ever resold due to the cd-key authentication. : jingletard
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  There seems to be a common sentiment that first-sale doctrine ought not to apply since software doesn't d... : jim bone
  • Software totally degrades over time its just not as perishable as banana's. : massdev
  • That's part of it, the bigger point for me is that your not buying something that you can use over-and-ov... : uncleanmonkey
  • Ironically, software degrades faster over time. I have books (the original subject of first-sale doctrine... : dfay
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  Just drop the price on all new games to $30. Everyone will buy every game new and won't bother to trade i... : jayacheess
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    I am pretty sure people would still trade a game in for $10 and people would buy a used game for $25. As ... : Evil Benius
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      ebgames here in Halifax is only giving $5 or less on games they are selling for $35+. I suppose that isn'... : jayacheess
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        Have you spotted RDR anywhere? Couldn't find a copy yesterday :( : Dave-A
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          I spotted it at my buddy's house! Seems like the game was everywhere on Tuesday. I didn't realize it was ... : jayacheess
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            Steal it, and I'll meet you somewhere! : Dave-A
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              I'll be stealing it for myself if everything goes according to plan. : jayacheess
              • You'll be doing what? Getting banned? That's what I heard! : Dave-A
            • Steal a new copy from a store though, not used - support the developer you monster. : 60days
    • So I think the answer is more expensive games! They can build all the lost sales into the initial cost. : Dave-A
• does gamestop release sales #s for used games? : Clay