Evening Reading: FPS Fever!

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  Oh, and I forgot the humor. Bethesda = no sense of humor. : Ocelot
  • You, sir, are drunk. : AxeMan808
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    Did you not find the Jabawocky or child eating cult in Oblivion? There are heaps of funny side quests, ch... : SigENeaT
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      Child eating, always hilarious. : Earl Greigh
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        Signed Albert Fish http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Fish : K0LM
        • wow, monkey and peewee's huh? who says that anymore? : technotica
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      Or the tree guy that wants you to burn him ,or the chick collecting Nuka-cola, or the robot that thinks i... : xenophobe
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        The skeleton in FO3 who is "well equipped" - for everything but a nuclear blast, that is. The Shrine To L... : AxeMan808
        • The guy who built a motorcycle and ramp underground only to have it decapitate him and leave his body han... : Rooster Cockburn
    • What about when you do the quest for the god in Oblivion who makes it rain dogs? I lol'd. : daVinci1980
    • I liked the conversation with the cross-dressing necrophiliac dark elf. : Arcanum
    • The necrophiliac in Oblivion was pretty awesome too : kill9
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    An excerpt from Crassius Curio's play, The Lusty Argonian Maid: Act IV, Scene III, continued Lifts-He... : Matt Burris
    • Oh, shit yes! The Elder Scrolls' Readable Books!! : AxeMan808
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  That's why we're all excited that Obsidian is doing a Fallout games. And those of us who aren't excited, ... : SpaecKow
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    based on how they handled kotor 2 and nwn 2 they cant go wrong! : spiderfill
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      can't tell me shit spiderfill, this is the Obsidian game that's going to rule :D : SpaecKow
      • i hope so! though im rooting for alpha protocol too because it is a cool idea : spiderfill
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      The parts of Kotor 2 that were finished far exceeded kotor 1. It is a shame that they pushed it out so f... : Crimsonbeak
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        On the other hand its hard to defend any part of NWN2 except Mask of the Betrayer :( : SpaecKow
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          I didn't mind NWN2 but I couldn't get in to MotB and I never tried that other expansion. :-( I'm also ... : Aldebrand
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            Alpha Protocol looks like a genuine spytech thriller successor to Deus Ex, lets hope it gets a good PC ve... : SpaecKow
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              I really want that game to be awesome and not just awesome but buggy/unpolished :( : derelict515
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                Well I think Obsidian's thing is trying to find a scope and scale of a project that they can work on with... : SpaecKow
                • I haven't looked at much about it lately (no point in spoiling it if it ends up great) but the last gamep... : derelict515
            • I think that's why I like it. I want more spytech games. I was also excited for "The Agency" MMO that S... : Aldebrand
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            MoTB rocked :( : Mondo
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              I feel terrible because I heard so many good things about it but I couldn't ever find a character/class t... : Aldebrand
              • I just brought over my fighter/neverwinter 9 from the NWN2 campaign : Mondo
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      KotOR 2 was awesome. NWN2 wasn't as good, though. : Rice-Rocketeer
      • MotB made up for it! : Arceihn
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  The world is hosed. It's not supposed to a metropolis full of people. : jonin
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    What does that have to do with telling a good story. : rehsuig
    • story was fine. next : jonin
• See I had the same problem with FO3, on the other hand I adored Oblivion. Not really sure why, maybe t... : Jenings
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  I have to ask: Did you spend much time doing things other than the main quest? : Arcanum
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    I stuck to the main quest mostly. Did a few side quests here and there and did a little bit of exploring... : Ocelot
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      The best stuff is what you discover by exploring and following side quests. Doing nothing but the main q... : Arcanum
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        pretty much : derelict515
        • Agreed. Get the side quest from Reilly in Ranger HQ for caps for every location you discover, then pick u... : Rooster Cockburn
    • since when does a bethesda game push anyone anywhere? not exploring means you missed like 80% of the gam... : Sapiens
• I really don't find a wasteland a very interesting environment to explore. it had it's moments but it's ... : Boxelder
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  The main story in Fallout 3 was pretty meh. What I loved about Fallout 3 was all the little untold storie... : Modulus
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    ^^^ This. : Arcanum
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      No, not this, people have been telling stories using environment props just like that since Half Life. Be... : SpaecKow
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        I can't think of any game that has done it as well. : Arcanum
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          Done what well? Putting a skeleton down next to a gun and some items? Putting two skeletons in a bed next... : SpaecKow
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            And which is also generally just a way better written game than any Bethesda title. : SpaecKow
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              Having tried to replay Bloodlines recently, it doesn't hold up well. At all. What makes the stuff in ... : Arcanum
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                I think Vampire is not a very attractive game but I don't think it doesn't hold up or something, if you g... : SpaecKow
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                  I disagree completely. My complaint of it not holding up has nothing to do with the graphics. And wha... : Arcanum
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                    Well what is your complaint? And in regard to dialogue being done well, let me give you one example. ... : SpaecKow
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                      Why do I have to justify the idea that BlackIsle/Troika are better writers than Bethesda to a guy whose f... : SpaecKow
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                        Because this was my name before it was the game's name. : Arcanum
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                          And all this time I thought you were cool :( : SpaecKow
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                            Taking the name of a video game as an online handle is the definition of uncool. Unless you actually wor : Arcanum
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                              Take it easy gramps. :P : SpaecKow
                              • Damn kids better get off my lawn! : Arcanum
                      • becuz ur a fanboi : TShandy
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                      Have you played Bloodlines recently? I had no trouble getting characters to talk about themselves, unles : Arcanum
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                        Well not in the sense that the game dialogue is difficult, but that you actually have to traverse the tre : SpaecKow
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                          That's a character reason, not a plot reason. A plot reason is, for instance, the dual nature of the "si... : Arcanum
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                            Well I would think developing a character properly, either for plot or character reasons is a sign of good writing, and not doing that a sign of bad writing.
                            
                            I haven't played Vampire in a long time, but I'm going to go through FO3 and Bloodlines again soon, and then I'll write a very definitive post on this.

                            Apr 14, 2010 7:33pm PDT
                            Well I would think developing a character properly, either for plot or character reasons is a sign of goo... : SpaecKow
            • I love that game. :( :( :( RIP Troika. Fuck you, SpaecKow. Every time you mention this shit, I cry ... : Rice-Rocketeer
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          off the top of my head: system shock 2 bioshock half life and half life 2 : DeBurgo
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            Maybe System Shock 2 and Bioshock. Not Half-Life or Half-Life 2. : Arcanum
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              Most of Half Life 2's backstory was told environmentally, and there was a good bit of it. Of course peopl... : SpaecKow
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                I'm aware that Half-Life 2 put it's back story in the environment, but I think most people accidentally m... : Arcanum
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                  Valve also didn't spend tons of time telling people in the press about how they did that as if they parte... : SpaecKow
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                    I'd say it's a simple matter of how noticeable the elements in the environment are, and whether you expec... : Arcanum
                    • This is now a subjective argument. Subtlety for me is a virtue. By finding those little details in the g... : SpaecKow
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                  That's a bit like saying the puns and parodies in Ulysses aren't well done because most people reading th... : midgetherder
                  • If those people had the appropriate background to recognize the content, that is a perfectly reasonable s... : Arcanum
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                All the games listed above are more of less linear. So anything you "discover" is more or less thrust upo... : Modulus
                • I was responding directly to the idea that no games were better at this specific story telling technique ... : DeBurgo
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        Man you are wrong about EVERY game, I don't get it : kill9
        • i'm convinced it has something to do with the water in australia : RikiTiki2
  • Agreed. So many great rooms just full of objects that tell stories. : Earl Greigh
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    I agree. I absolutely LOVED Fallout 3, but I found the main quest underwhelming. Exploring the wastelan : Poor Yurik
    • Broken Steel : Rooster Cockburn
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  Thanks. : lplasmatron
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    : ( How does it feel to be told your post apocalyptic desert wasteland is "dry and lifeless?" : locater16
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      Used to it. People say lots of things on the Internet but I still love the game myself and we won over 65... : lplasmatron
      • could have been 66 : CoRDS
      • were any of those awards made of chocolate? : RikiTiki2
      • If it makes you feel any better, I loved the game myself. The only complaint I ever had was Tranquilit... : IndigoAK
      • I love the game, but I definitely see plenty of room for improvement (and a new engine) : Vincent Grayson
      • If your story was better, it could have been 66, lplasmatron! : lightly inclined
  • Don't take it personally. :) This is definitely a classic game and I have no doubts it will be regarded... : Ocelot
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    When are they gonna offer all the DLC in one expansion pack? WHEEEEENNNNN!?! (whine) I know you (you, pe... : AxeMan808
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      It's only $20 now, which more than a fair price for all the DLC combined. : IndigoAK
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        $20 for GOTY (PC)? I see $45 and $49. $27 if i wanted D2D; I do not. (I do see a $20 PS3 offer used on eB... : AxeMan808
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          Weird. It's $20 at Fred Meyer and Walmart here in Fairbanks. : IndigoAK
          • I'll check around more. You got me kinda excited for a minute. I'd rebuy it for the DLC at $20-25. : AxeMan808
        • Why not D2D? Great service, don't even have to run a background client. : Pettytheft
  • I think he's wrong (and you guys have my $100 to prove it). yes I paid full price for the game and a : deject
  • It always sucks to hear people talking trash about your game - I just played through Fallout3 recently th... : jbury
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  their main problem is being located in Rockville MD and not Bethesda MD. That being said, Fallout 3 is a... : gmd
  • haha : Mad Brahmin Disease
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  I should add that I beat the game and thoroughly enjoyed it. I have the game sitting on my shelf - it's ... : Ocelot
  • I think the humor and atmosphere depend on whether you are comparing to Fallout 1 or Fallout 2. Fallout ... : Arcanum
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    I thought they nailed the overall Fallout vibe really well. But ultimately the characters were still flat... : derelict515
    • I can tolerate graphics well enough, but you really gotta get the dialogue right. And they didn't. Three ... : SpaecKow
• I disagree. The atmosphere in FO3 is great : lord_omega
• What does it feel like to be so wrong so often? : VegasX
• How would you suggest they improve the main story line? : silent prophet
• We, Sir, will have to disagree. : baron calamity
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  I think this is a problem with just about every sandbox game, not just Bethesda's. : thebigbeefsandwich
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    I think GTAIV was actually rather nicely written in lots of parts. : SpaecKow
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      It was nicely written, but the world outside of the main missions was incredibly dead. There was really ... : Arcanum
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        GTAIV is the quintessential example of how gameplay mechanics that don't match the world fiction can ruin... : SpaecKow
        • niko: "hey im just trying to get by, i dont like killing people " 5 sec later you are running people ove... : papaskot
• I completely agree, but it was fun. I just wish it could have been more. : ETPC1
• The story in Oblivion was great. Fallout 3 was kind of meh, I agree, but they can certainly do a story we... : DerHuhnTeufel
• I disagree completely. It's hard to tell a story that feels cohesive while at the same time giving the p... : jimmy_legs
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  Game was not bad. Games that make me repair my weapons piss me off though. I'd like to play the game, I d... : steelsamurai
  • There are tons of mods available that remove that feature or if you're savvy, it's incredibly easy for yo... : IndigoAK
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  Fallout 3 is one of my favorite game experiences of all time. From being a Fallout virgin and preordering... : MercFox1
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    I'll always remember the first view you see after you leave the vault. That sense of "Freedom! *long... : Boring Writer
    • I enjoyed the sign outside when you exit the Vault. "Scenic Overlook" : Arcanum
• What is this garbage? Did you just stick to the main quest? Go read Modulus' comment and subthread. : Dr_Cube
• kill yourself in every possible way : eeeealmo
• Fallout 3 is one of my favorite all time games, like the original Quake, Doom and C&C. : matthaeus
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  You can't say the people behind Bioshock would do better. They make linear games. You don't know what B... : kingdepork
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    Morrowind :( :( : Lord Skellington
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      Atmosphere was pretty lacking in morrowind. You can't add character to every place in an open world game... : kingdepork
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        Welp I dunno about atmosphere and character but I would say that Morrowind is a very interesting place, a... : SpaecKow
        • It did have a more interesting art style, I'll give you that. : kingdepork