Weekend Discussion: iPad Easter Candy Time
Whatever your preference, do have yourself a nice weekend. We'll see you Monday.
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I want an iPad :(
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"I’m glad the Apple ][+ came with schematics for the circuit boards. I’m glad it encouraged a generation of kids to tinker and explore. I’m also glad that I don’t live in the fucking ’70s and have to type in programs from a magazine anymore."
http://m.gizmodo.com/site?sid=gizmodoip&pid=JuicerHub&targetUrl=http://gizmodo.com/5508286/cory-doctorow-you-are-a-consumer-too%3Fop%3Dpost%26refId%3D5508286 -
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I liked that article, and I know that this is the internet but I'd like to encourage people to point out what they don't like about the article instead of just saying "that's awful!"
The ipod is a sweet piece of hardware (his article isnt about hardware),
and the control apple has over software on its' system allows for a uniformly good quality experience. I mean customizing and adding programs to windows is lots of fun, but eventually you have to format and restart because too many things don't play well together.
But apple is definitely on the bad guy side of DRM issues, openness and allowing users to do what they want with what they buy, not to mention they are the model for nickle and diming.
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counter-argument: http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/kids_are_all_right
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That post makes a good point. Apple's pioneering and nurturing of the app store has flattened hierarchies of software development. 13-year-old kids like the one mentioned in the link have the tools and, most crucially, a distribution channel to compete with big developers. What they've lost in tinkering, they've gained in being able to compete.
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They're just forced into channels that will make apple money :P Even if the apps are free, quality apps will encourage purchases.
The article seems to impose that the iPad couldn't have open specs AND allow people to write apps for it.
Granted, with the microscopic size of fabrication now days, hardware tinkering would be pretty minimal compared to an old Apple ][, but if people want to alter their device (like put in a higher capacity battery), just make sure they know it voids warranties.
I see both sides of the argument, but I dunno which side I'm on.
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That sure sounds like a straw man. People were saying it would immediately bomb at release? Who? I don't think I heard that at all. There are plenty of people who think it's a dumb limited device, (I'm partially in that camp) but I can't think of one time I read a person literally saying there wouldn't be long lines on release day of an Apple product.
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I looked up what I assume is the relevant thread, and he said nothing anywhere close to people not getting hyped up and lining up for a shiny new Apple product.
He definitely called it as a long-term flop though. Seems to me that will be hard to measure though, and if anything the appearance at least will be against him for three reasons. First, a LOT of people are going to buy them right away, and we all know this. Even if he thinks it's just hype, I'm sure abrasion knows the first several shipments will sell out instantly. Second, once people buy them they WILL keep using them. Some might gather dust, maybe like so many Wiis gather dust, but once a bunch get out there, there will inevitably be an active user base. Then third and most important: the iPhone exists. Even if the iPad sales slow down a lot, there will always be a huge and growing level of app support because the iPhone is tied to the same store.
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same. My wife hardly uses her desktop any more, I would love to ditch it and have more room for my PC in the office.
Get an iPad to basically sit on our coffee table for browsing and such, and she can use my desktop for when she rarely does some word processing. I think she has visited a grand total of 10 websites in the past year that werent google or facebook
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ah I just emailed it to myself. No sleep in 30 hours :(
http://www.easyscreens.info/?v=5268
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Maybe if you must buy your music and store it locally. Ever since I got my first smartphone, and along with that the unlimited 3G internet, I've never copied audio files to the thing except for ringtones. It's free to stream stuff, and I hear new stuff every day.
With the iPad it might not be quite the same, but there are supposed to be the 3G versions and stuff.
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See, I'm still getting a 16GB. I'm not going to be using it as a music player much ( I have my iPhone for that anyway) and for video I plan on using apps like Air Video to stream them. This leaves apps, comics and books. I'm not much of a comics guy so that's not gonna be an issue. Books, I don't expect will take much place either. So that leaves almost the full 16GB for apps and I'm betting it will be enough. I mean, on my iPhone I have less than 2GB of apps and I do have a lot of apps.
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It is interesting how the word "troll" is so frequently transformed to mean pretty much whatever the user wants it to mean. It is almost as if one can be called a troll just for "posting about stuff I don't want to hear about". Especially here.
From wikipedia:
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional respons1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2]
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I don't get why people point to laptops as what people should be using. They may be what we're used to, but laptops are pretty shitty in the role the iPad is meant to fill. They were never intended to be an all-purpose device that follows you round the house, and the form factor is really poor for that purpose.
Yes there is pretty much nothing you can do on an iPad that you can't do on a laptop, but that doesn't mean the iPad can't be better at it. Reading recipes in the kitchen, loading up guitar tabs, reading comic books, reading newspapers with my breakfast - these are the kind of things I think an iPad will be awesome for.
You can do all of them on a laptop but they're not what laptops were ever designed for and not what the form factor is suited to at all.
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Seems you could do it in the same form factor, but have a more full-featured experience (flash, any browser, keyboard to type your emails and posts, etc), if you had a tablet-folding swivel-screen netbook. I don't know if those things are out yet or not though, I'm not really shopping for any of that.
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iPad != laptop, also, not everyone is so affected by eyestrain I for one read way too much stuff on LCDs and previously on CRTs for many hours.
There is not anything similar like the iPad for the same price, the Joo Joo Pad is a 500 dollars web browser, the iPad does many things more and will continue to do so eventually because a lot of people are developing for it. -
The ipad was never meant to replace a fully functioning laptop/computer.
Its a mobile device that is convenient for surfing the web, and taking advantage of the app store. I want one to leave in my living room to surf the web while I'm watching tv. Or take with me on a trip to watch movies, and easy web/email access from a wifi hotspot.
Are there plenty of other devices that can do the same stuff for the same or less money? Yup. are they as sleek and convenient with comparable battery life? No. -
http://gizmodo.com/5508345/the-six-types-of-ipad-fans-and-critics
I am most definitely the reluctant pragmatist. -
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For AT&T it's $15 for 250mb of data, and $30 for unlimited.. when you hit the cap on the 250mb plan, it asks you if you want to upgrade it to unlimited (since the bill comes at the end of the month, you only pay $30, not $15+$30). I don't know if there is an option to say, "ignore the fact that I ran out of data" and get charged per megabyte.
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I'll be getting one for (* = primary use):
1. *web browsing. No Flash = less advertising crap. The sites I usually browse will have support for the iPad/tablets sooner than later, so as far as I'm concerned the iPad will be the best browser. I love Apple's mobile OSX for web. Works snappy and very well. Laying in bed, still in my pajamas, this honestly sounds like the ultimate Lazy Man web browser.
2. *games. This will replace my Touch as my "lazy in bed" gaming nights. I think it's going to be awesome for games. I also love backgammon. This would be a great multi-board game machine. Great for travel.
3. cooking. An easel/dock in my kitchen, some cookbook apps and tablet-optimized food sites and I'll be trying out new recipes easier than ever.
4. *music. Depends on Logic Studio support, but I am already seeing apps for using the iPad as a second screen. That would be cool for plug-ins and Logic's mixer. If I could use it as an X/Y controller it would be a great addition to my virtual synths. We'll see what sort of notation software there is but if I can set an iPad on a stand and use it to make notes and write cheat sheets for my band, that would be lovely. I play bass/guitar. I'd definitely get a piano lesson app and start messing around with that when I'm on the go.
5. movies. I don't have a huge tv so I'll probably watch my favorite tv shows on it. when I want to watch videos I'll just use the YouTube app.
6. car. I'll be curious to see what sort of dyno apps are availabe for it. I'd get a mount for my WRX and use it for music and 0-60 times and other stuff.
7. showing off photos/art/videos.
8. *messing around. Back to being lazy in bed. I love browsing around the App Store and checking out new demos. I usually do that now and then before I fall asleep. Lots of random dorky apps to mess with.
9. landscaping. Working on layouts with my boss could be very easy with the right app.
9b. gardening. A cool gardening app would be handy.
10. eReader? Maybe. I'll probably stick to buying real books. Maybe I'd get an eBook here or there just for fun.
Comparing it to Kindle is a tough one. Most modern textbooks have color illustrations, I'd lean towards the iPad as being more useful. Especially as eTexts start offering more web links to articles/references, I'd prefer the sites I'm being linked to being displayed in color. As a textbook replacement in schools, I think color would be very important. (Check out Gizmodo's "iPad as eReader" review. Seemed like he preferred the iPad. Color and brightness = good)
11. general crap. Checking email in bed/on the crapper. Notepad.
*expensive? I'd get the cheapest one ~ wireless is fine for me, and I'll wait until rev. 2.
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I have an iPhone and 3 laptops, I have a stupid amount of information access. And yeah, I agree there are times when the ipad is more ideal, but it's not a huge range given what I already have. Actually, I would love to make it a 2nd screen for my MacBook so there is that... But i literally bought that MacBook like a month or two ago and even I have to be mature about how many toys is enough... Hence the wait for the 2nd gen :) pacing!
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Here is a screenshot from Doom classic to show what the pixel doubling effect looks like:
http://www.shackpics.com/files/Doomonipad_v3xuahefbrt7wk61jtud.jpg-
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that is the case. I posted before on this, if you coded your app correctly, querying the screen object for all of your placement, and if you were not using any custom bitmaps for drawing, then they could have just scaled everything up and provided more resolution.
I wrote all my own gradient objects that can do a lot of interesting things... I can draw all the apple style buttons, and do a lot of shading, all using vector stuff where 99% of everyone else is using bitmaps. So my code in this regard would just adapt to a higher resolution by looking nicer.
However, in my own apps, sometimes I just went fuck it and #define width 320.0 or something when I had to juggle a lot of math. Sometimes it is a real pain in the ass, because you're dealing with co-ordinate systems flipping X and Y when the phone rotates, and if you are working in some other animations, the axes can also invert their directions, so you get negative going where the positive used to go, X and Y in inverted positions, and you're drawing diagrams on a piece of paper, on top of all this you're supposed to query for your dimensions and it's not always going to be clear what you're going to get when you think you're querying for X.
Probably the majority of apps resorted to that at some point and Apple tested out resolution changing to see what percentage of apps were failing to properly adapt to the system supplying them with a new resolution and it came out way too high to be acceptable. And so they just doubled pixels instead. I haven't checked but I also would not be surprised if now, soon or in the future they put some kind of flag that you can set in your app to allow you to publish that your app responds to resolution changes without breaking.
With the implementation, sometimes it was just a lot of headache, you're under time constraints, you're probably going to see little or no return on it anyway and it was not clear that if you went through all of the recommended procedures that it would ever pan out as a benefit.
What we see in this is that the guy who invested all the time to do it right got shafted by the guys who hard coded the results and got it done faster.
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http://www.apple.com/ipad/ NYT article.
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DropBox app lets you save things locally. The bigger problem is there's no bookmarking support in PDFs. So every time you open the app you have to manually scroll back through the pages and remember where you were. It makes reading something while also using an IM app or something basically impossible. There are other apps like DataCase that might be better, I haven't tried it in awhile but I used it for PDFs before DropBox.
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The first person I know personally to express interest in it, I discussed it with him yesterday and we were talking about the intracacies of using a laptop in bed or on the couch.
When you're standing or on the couch, an ipad wins to hold but when you're in bed or on the couch and lazy - the laptop basically has a stand so you don't have to hold the fucking thing the whole time to face you.
I understand, sometimes the keyboard does get in the way, on a laptop but not enough for me to even consider an ipad. -
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So it will do all the things my Touch does but on a bigger screen?
And all my apps I already own will work with it?
Piano software will be able to offer real-sized keys?
I'll be able to show my photo slide shows to more than one person at a time?
I'll be able to game without squinting?
I'll be able to use it in the kitchen to replace my cookbooks?
It's larger? And quicker?
That is why I'm buying one.
That is why my AAPL share shall continue to go up.
1) Built in user base.
2) iPhone/Touch = worldwide advertising for Apple's wonderful mobile OS.
Watch the iPad demos. It isn't an oversized iPod Touch. Do some actual research...
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This is where I twirl my finger in the air oh so enthusiastically. I'm so thrilled at your first two bullets there. That apps you already paid for on one device will work on the $500 "big brother" version of the device you already own.
And piano keys? Uh... yay? Try getting an actual piano perhaps?
The rest of the points are just total fluff. It's not a gaming device but if you use it as such, so be it. The iPod/iPhone does a good enough job for a portable/hand held device as it is. If I wanted that device for a gaming platform, I'd probably have to kick my ass. It's a glorified iPod Touch. It plays the same games as an iPod Touch. Big whoop.
I saw all of those demo videos. I stand by my statement. The fact that people are rushing out to get this is just because it's the next Apple device and it's always apparently the second coming of Christ when Apple releases something "new." Even when something "new" is just a larger version of something they already released that will be lapped up by all the sheep. -
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screen was acting like there was touch being detected that wasn't happening, for example with the on-screen keyboard it would toggle itself back and forth between the alpha keys and the numerical keys.. with it sitting flat on the desk it would repeatedly switch back and forth.. while that was going on it wouldn't detect when I'd touch an icon or control
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It's good, but I don't really like the landscape mode. Portrait seems more usable. On the browser and stuff the buttons on the toolbar at the top are kind of a pain... You can reach them on a phone, but not even close on the iPad. If you're reading something like a fukung thread, you end up moving your hands around a lot to go between the thread and the browser.
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Open Source, bitch!
http://github.com/Squeegy/latest-chatty-2
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I would like to be able to hide it when I'm focused on a single thread, the popup from portrait mode would probably do it. Also I would move the popup button to the bottom... thumbs are usually at the bottom ready to press things. Feels like top bar buttons should be reserved for really rare actions.
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You know what's awesome about UISplitViewController? it's hard coded to work by orientation changes and there is no way to force it. You cannot display the left pane of a UISplitViewController in portrait, and you cannot hide it in landscape.
So unless I rewrite the same controller form the ground up, this isn't happening.
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Foxtrot creator posted a sweet iPad wallpaper via Twitter. You can get it here. http://www.foxtrot.com/
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geometry wars bad video but cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcy1A5m3Sps
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It's not out of line to say that the 2nd revision will be much better than the initial model. This pretty much applies to a new anything. The early adopters pay the early adopter tax to be essentially beta testers and then apple will roll out all these new updates and improvements into the next model.
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True, but buying into a 1.0 product from Apple generally isn't 100% wise either. I want to play with one quite badly (and probably will stop by the Apple store on the way home from work sometime this week to do just that), but I will actually make the decision whether or not to purchase one in ~6 months. By then the major bugs should have been worked out, and we'll see what third parties are able to do with it. If I do decide to get one, it'll be next year's model.
That having been said, I'd probably end up giving it to my mother in law, who is in desperate need of a dead-simple communications device. She's deathly afraid of computers, but *loved* my wife's iPhone. Something like this seems like it'd be perfect for her.-
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And all of these features will be in the revision. In all likeliness, these features are already ready as far as software and hardware is concerned - it's just a holdout to ensure monumental future sales.
People will eat up 1.0, and then run right back out and buy 2.0 when they finally put the full feature set in.
Just be patient. Christ people don't know how to wait when they should. BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY
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Well, Voice Control on the 3GS works because of a dedicated chip that handles just that, I believe. It's not just a software solution. I know this because I've installed some Voice Control look alike app on my jailbroken 3G iPhone and it sucks compared to my wife's 3GS. So, adding hardware is more expensive than not adding hardware and if Apple wanted to keep prices low/keep margins high it was an easy thing to cut. Ditto with the camera. It's hardware. The no calls thing on the 3g version is kind of wierd though.
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I don't regret my iPhone 1.0 purchase at all. I upgraded to a 3gs 2 years later and skipped the 3G. Now I've got video and more space :).
If the iPad had come out in one configuration I'd see your point more, but a 3G version is coming out in a few weeks. Sure, iPad v2 will probably come out in 12 months and have some new features. That's just how technology works. -
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3.0 will likely be more marginal improvements. 1.0 is the version that every mac follower will buy, hardon in hand. They don't need to include much to sell that one.
2.0 will include the features they cut to ensure you'd have a reason to buy it. 3.0 will probably include marginal improvements to processor speed/ram, perhaps a new feature here or there. Certainly 2.0 - 1.0 > 3.0 - 2.0.
I see you're trying to justify your purchase though so I will humor you and say yes of course it is worth it you won't be missing out on much when 2.0 comes out in less than a year.
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I spent my money wisely, I don't need video conferencing, and even if I absolutely needed the next model I can just sell my old one. I would rather be able to use it now because I need it, waiting a year wouldn't work for me. I don't have a laptop, only a desktop, and after using it for a day I can say that I am not interested in a laptop, this replaces the need for that for me.
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What are these colored things hanging out on Wozniak's keychain? http://www.engadget.com/photos/steve-wozniak-a-segway-and-an-ipad/#2861750
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god, me and re-verse went into bestbuy for something else and checked out the ipad's. i was totally against the ipad, mainly because i thought it was an unnecessary accessory. the iphone is small and convenient, plus it is a phone and a laptop could do a lot more on. just because it's new and shiny and other people want it, then we were supposed to want it too? well, i do. we picked it up and i was like... "yeah i could have one of these things." sucker. i should have stayed strong like the wife behind the one dude checking out the ipods "yeah like you really need this, but i guess everything is about you, isn't it??". lols.
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Cop uniform http://dognose.shackspace.com/applestore.jpg
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Yeah, the problem is that I already pay extra for 3G on my iPhone. Do I need to do it with two devices? Do I want to pay $130 extra and then agonize if this is going to be the month I spend $15 or $30 extra instead of hunting down a wifi hotspot?
I will live with this for the next month, and if I really need 3G I will sell this one and get that instead. I think I'll be fine with wifi as I am with my laptop, we'll see. -
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If you have Kids..... the wallpaper backgrounds look way too good as a show off piece.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2175873/lockscreen1.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2175873/homescreen.jpg
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Thread Hijack
I "pre-ordered" my iPad from Apple last week. Have any of you fellow procrastinators heard when "before the 12th" they will ship? The charge was pending all of last week, but is no longer showing in my account. I'm half-way tempted to cancel my order and pick one up at Best Buy tomorrow. -
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Printing is one of the big things keeping it from being really useful around here. The lack of printing is a big thing that keeps it from replacing a laptop here. AskedRelic was laughing at me because of the amount of printing we do around here, but MY WIFE and I don't have smart phones with our email and internet access 24/7 like he does, so when we travel I print boarding passes / hotel reservations to take it on the road with us. He just wanders around with his iPhone and pulls it up when he needs it but I don't have the luxury of doing that.
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http://pgregg.com/blog/images/compare.jpg
plus the whole environmental angle
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The thing that bugs me about the iPad is that you obviously need to own another computer around the house to get it going -- mulitsync posted about his being a paperweight because he had to hook it up to iTunes first -- but it doesn't really seem to want to have anything else to do with the computer. If you can't share photos, music or video over the network or print, it sounds like an expensive toy more than anything.
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I was originally responding to ThomW's point that he's disappointed that he can't stream from a share on his network easily. In my opinion, Apple is looking at this device as an avenue to sell more of their content. This differs from say, a Macbook.
Both the 360 and the PS3 have online stores you can buy content from, however, they also give you the ability the stream content from somewhere on your network where the iPad doesn't. In my opinion, Apple is hoping their users will see the iTunes store as "the only game in town" and I was drawing a contrast to other companies who also have online stores but aren't as closed as Apple is here with this new device.
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Dunno about Windows, but...
http://www.myappleguide.com/blogs/iphone-world/3242/ipad-reveals-file-sharing-feature-iphone-32
Apparently there is a way to use a shared files directory.-
Skip to 5:36 in this video: http://vimeo.com/9037933
Seems to be a Filesharing option that is off by default, try messing with that in your System Preferences and see what happens?
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Not an "Apple" guy, myself. But I do love my iPhone. That said, I'd like the iPad if it did hulu or...streamed movies off my network's big storage drive. But apparently it does neither.
All I really use my laptop for is FullTilt and email and watching movies on deployment. So when this laptop shits the bed in a few years I may look at an iPad, but for now it just seems like a big iTouch. I don't see how useful that could be. -
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because it won't include an unstable, CPU-sucking plugin whose metaphor generally breaks down when you implement touch? (you can't do a mouseover with your fingers, remember)
Apple's probably being harsher than it needs to, but I don't doubt them when they say HTML5 is more efficient and truly cross-platform. -
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the Zune HD doesn't allow third-party apps; they're all carefully chosen by Microsoft, and unless it gets WP7, Microsoft has abandoned it as a platform.
also, Windows Phone 7 apps will need approval and won't have multitasking, so by that token you should stop using Windows on all your computers and handhelds, and start using Linux.-
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1) I didn't buy an iPad with the intention of using Flash, so I really don't care! I knew knew going in that Apple has to approve apps before you can download them. But it's a tablet computer that works and doesn't slow down, get buggy, or stop working, which is what I want. I don't want a sluggish, impossible to use web browser because Flash is running.
2) The iTunes software lets you share music between computers just fine, it's a feature called Home Sharing, which lets you simply drag and drop content between computer shares in iTunes, or even keep the two computers synced. The iPad supports enough syncing options to make me happy, two way syncing just confuses most people.
3) Android phones don't have restrictions, but all it takes is one person to write an app that passes as a legit app to people not paying attention, and then you suddenly are running malware and your phone becomes a location aware botnet (this is already happening)
4) Not sure what your point is anyway, it isn't a matter of accepting a stupid web plugin just because it's got a wide adoption rate, it's about having standards that don't cripple a device or make the experience extremely distasteful. I would rather a people like you complain about than Apple add Flash and suddenly have a huge burden of support that no company can sufficiently handle. Even Adobe can't support Flash well enough! -
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I think going towards an HTML5 video player is a good choice for your company in the long run, for these devices or not.
But for everyone working in advertising where 90% of what they do are interactive websites made on Flash, well, those really have a problem. But they also can choose to keep churning Flash sites and see what happens in the long run. I don't really see Flash dying anytime soon in any case.-
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I know what you mean, I'm a web developer (not flash) and I always worked for advertising agencies or graphic design studios where most of the work is Flash because that's what the client needs.
Flash Player 10.1 is a good promise, but it's something they should have done before. Apple has 2 issues with Flash, first one is that on the Mac it's simply subpar compared to Windows, it's buggy and slow. Second issue is the app store. I don't really know what's going to happen with that, my only guess would be that if the alternatives to the iPhone and iPad start to gain success and also exploiting the advantage of having Flash support, perhaps Apple will allow Flash support. But controlling how people acquires apps is one thing that I don't see Apple letting go, and we know that with Flash you can make comparable applications to the native ones, providing the Flash Player is good enough and optimized.
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I remember thinking it was a dumb idea, but I also remember thinking it was a smart move because it was obvious that the industry was moving towards optical disks. The biggest problem was the people who still used the old fashioned "sneakernet" way of doing things where they would copy files to a floppy disk, then bring it to a computer they wanted to copy it to. Around this time though it was also obvious that people would be using the internet to copy files, and even still people were already using BBS, modems, and LANS to copy files when they got rid of it.
Apple is really smart at making predictions and taking risks. They have had products that are failures, but it's usually the ones that are their "pet projects" that fail, it's hardly ever the ones they invest the most in.
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