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  Not quite the best analogy. It's more like a farmhouse with a gate (you need a password to install anythi... : ryuuseki
  • Assuming that they're going for root. Lots of malware nowadays doesn't even bother going for root, with ... : umcpwintermute
  • You realize analogies aren't used as 1:1 comparisons of a system right? : pyros
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  As somebody who mostly uses Macs these days I'm rather afraid that they are some kind of monoculture that... : tcs
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    There really isn't much you can do on a Mac - security market hasn't expanded to the point where there ar... : umcpwintermute
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      IIRC Apple rolled out a mini anti-virus a little while ago through software updates that was for a specif... : ryuuseki
      • There are some rootkits in heavy use for cracked servers, but a lot of the Linux/BSD malware is aimed at ... : umcpwintermute
      • I heard that too, that there was some minimal AV-type thing in Snow Leopard. I think it would be a very s... : tcs
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    there needs to be spyware first before you can have a spyware remover : electroly
    • bingo : two50six
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      Well, once that happens I'll be back here all like MAC MENZ HELP ME I DONT KNOW HOW TO REMOVE SPYWAREZ FR... : tcs
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        the worst that would happen is you'd have to nuke your user account and create a new one. the rigorous s... : electroly
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          So malware can only spy out & destroy all my data, but the OS is safe! Thank god! Wheew, what a relief! ;... : tcs
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            if they can overwrite your OS, they can overwrite your Time Machine backups :) unless you unplug that ha... : electroly
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              Yes, I'd agree that most risk is to stuff like banking information and installing spam mass mailers and a... : tcs
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                OSX has a Unix-like user system. There isn't really any concept of an "admin" user; there's only limited... : electroly
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                  UAC isn't an artificial barrier, it's very much like sudo. It's that by turning off UAC, you essential s... : umcpwintermute
                  • UAC isn't a security barrier in default mode, you can easily side-step it : jcupitt
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                  Ok, thanks! I'm quite familiar with Linux/UNIX, just wasn't sure if OS X was doing anything different her... : tcs
                  • Having an "Administrator" account means that you're allowed to do administrator things with prompting, no... : umcpwintermute
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                    note that "sudo su" does work, if you find yourself needing to do a lot of admin tasks at one time : electroly
                    • or "sudo -s" :) : jcupitt
              • Yea, an account compromise on one account won't spread to the others (assuming FileVault or non-world-wri... : umcpwintermute
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    there are anti-virus and anti-malware apps for Mac out there, yet, I've been running my Mac for about 3 y... : g0nk
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      Yea, but those aren't the "real" malware things you need to watch out for. The real ones are malicious Flash applications that just start running stuff in the background.
      
      When you see Metasploit get Intel-Mac shellcode, then you should probably start to keep an eye out:
      http://www.metasploit.com/shellcode/mac_os_x/

      Mar 19, 2010 7:16am PDT
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      Yea, but those aren't the "real" malware things you need to watch out for. The real ones are malicious F... : umcpwintermute
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        There are a handful of exploits of OS X out there: http://www.metasploit.com/modules/exploit/osx/ : umcpwintermute
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          Newest one is 2007 looks like. : ryuuseki
          • Yea, Metasploit is kind of slacking in putting out exploits and shellcode for OS X. Plus I'm sure the go... : umcpwintermute
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    it's not that bad. OS X is half BSD+GNU, there are tons of non-Apple people that work on their software : ]pm[chem
    • Sure, I'm a software developer and enjoy both BSD and the GNU tools daily on my system ;-) With monocultu... : tcs
  • http://security.comcast.net/ gives free norton Is for Mac to it's customers hey, free norton 360 to wi... : sludge vohaul
• It's also living in a farmhouse in the country because the town you live in only has like 30 people. : JohnnyRey
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  So Mac OSX is basically going to be that figure in the news story where they start out the piece by sayin... : Schnapple
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    Pretty much. As Macs pick up market share (and I'm a Mac user at home myself), I certainly expect them t... : umcpwintermute
    • that's fortunate because now I can resume those activities without risking the censure of my peers : boring gegtik
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  same argument / viewpoint for the past 10 years, I don't see OSX suddenly becoming more popular so I don'... : fatman
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    You don't see OSX suddenly becoming more popular? : boring gegtik
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      I don't. Not percentage-wise anyway. Sure there may be more users than there were a year ago, but I'd s... : SgtPepper78
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        Doesn't look very accurate in comparison to this: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp : ryuuseki
        • But I posted my graph from some random proprietary source first so mine's right! : SgtPepper78
        • that's just percentages of people who visit a single particular site. A site whose visitors aren't repre... : MamiyaOtaru
      • so 5.15% in 2010, 3.5% in 2007, according to that site (pulldown top left to change the date) : jcupitt
    • For developers, yes. The app store alone forces many wanna get rich developers to purchase at least a Ma... : freakynipples69
    • OS X is too close to sounding like Malcolm X. It's an OS for black people. Also, Apples are red and tha... : TwiLyght
• I don't use OS X because its perceived as more safe, and security never really bothered me while I grew u... : not work safe
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  Analogies should be banned on the internet. : walker270
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    The internet should be banned in analogies. : SgtPepper78
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      One could say the internet is an analogy. : Godhatesfatpeople
      • The analogy is the internet. : freakynipples69
  • I know, it's like, there's these tubes and someone is trying to fuck them with their genitalia. : scottythejock
  • Saying that is like me trying to be funny. Futile. : Klebold
• I'm not sure why this is news to anyone. Apple patches security holes in free updates just like microsof... : SqueegyTBS
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  Whilst on the subject, i lol'd today when a mate told me he had to "book an appointment" at the mac store... : Klebold
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    if its broken and he wants a free one, then it is like any other cell phone store in existence and you ne... : papaskot
    • Because you need an appointment to get a fucking cable? The kind of crap you are pulling i find equally a... : Klebold