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  You're not helping my decision making process at all. Was the image retention distracting, or was it som... : mafu5150
  • You can't see it during the movie, it was just because of the letter boxing and was noticeable after you ... : orgcaptainnemo
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    You can't see it when the set is off. The easiest time to see it is when the set is on but is on a black... : DinK
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      I would call it a flaw in the technology as opposed to a flaw with your particular set, also, that last p... : one random winner
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        Yeah, "defect" would be a better word than flaw. That last part definitely is most important. Basical... : DinK
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          There's being afraid, then there's being annoyed. I know that it's not a permanent thing, but I too can ... : mafu5150
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            That's not a very big thing to hold you back IMO. Chances are unless you play the HUD-equipped game game... : DinK
            • that should be "same HUD-Equipped game." Also the brightness difference (I call it afterglow) on a bla... : DinK
          • I actually went from a 37" Panasonic LCD to a 50" G10, and speaking from that... holy christ, it's like n... : Vimn
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      How long does the IR last? You keep saying temporarily. I need numbers, dammit! : treefingers1
      • There's no exact ratio or anything. In my personal experience, you'll see IR after about 10 minutes of sh... : silent prophet
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        Depends on the set! Certain manufacturers are notorious for it being bad. Look at this: http://stoldark.c... : ieGod
        • Holy shit. : treefingers1
        • LG sucks. : orgcaptainnemo
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          Don't buy LG. Stick to panasonic, Samsung, or Pioneer (if you can find one!). : Prozium
          • Yeah, if you want a plasma get a Panasonic or Pioneer. Samsung for LCD. : DinK
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          You can get this exact same kind of "afterglow on black screen" thing even with a good Panasonic. I just... : DinK
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            You can see that IR in a standard show, believe me, especially when the scenes are darker. I had the set ... : ieGod
            • Yeah I wasn't trying to suggest that it's OK on some shitty LG, but that on a decent set it's not an issu... : DinK
      • There's no number. It's a very analog effect. It depends on how you caused it in the first place, and w... : DinK
      • I have never had IR yet on my V10, even after hours of xbox, tv logos, etc etc. Thinking it could be th... : xylothan
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    I would hate to be in your position right now. I would rather wait for the 2010 models to come out. : ant_hillbilly
    • Word from CES is that the 2010 panasonic models are nearing the black levels of the Kuro line. : Prozium
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  I have almost the same set, a 50" S1. Really awesome. I especially like the great viewing angles since ... : DinK
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    I actually got the S1, so we're same set buddies. Good to hear re: the IR. I'm just going to break it i... : orgcaptainnemo
    • On the IR, I've posted about this a couple times but I played about 100 hours of Borderlands starting whe... : DinK
  • "Break in" does absolutely nothing to combat IR. It only helps phosphor aging more gracefully for better ... : ieGod
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  did you adjust the brightness and contrast or is it still on default torch mode? you shouldn't get retent... : malloc
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    I set it to cinema mode (low brightness) and turned down the brightness and contrast to 50%. : orgcaptainnemo
    • AND I still got a little IR after a blur-ray on the black bars. : orgcaptainnemo
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  Image burn-in is a deal-killer for me. I'm willing to consider all makes/models that don't suffer from t... : Ride-My-Rocket
  • Retention is different from burn-in : skinlab133
  • A small amount of temporary image rentention is just part of the technology. Actual burn-in is virtually... : DinK
  • Retention and burn-in are totally different. You are going to see ghost images from static images on any ... : silent prophet
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  I dunno what is going on, but whenever I have seen a supposedly good LCD (LED too I guess) TV in a store ... : humbleone
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    No, you're looking at sets that have frame interpolation turned on. It makes them look like they're comin... : Conan
    • Ah ok thanks. : humbleone
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  what are your settings at? a normal contrast/brightness (between 40 and say, 70) setting shouldn't show a... : EvilDolemite
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    Cinema mode, 50% on both brightness and contrast. : orgcaptainnemo
    • That said the IR was very very minor, like I had to walk to the set to notice it. It was at the boarder ... : orgcaptainnemo
    • I have contrast 80%, brightness 30% I think. How to set brightness: Darken the room as much as you can... : jcupitt
  • It's not like there's some cutoff where IR activates/deactivates. It's just a question of how much there... : DinK
• I ordered that TV a couple days ago. Still waiting on Newegg to ship the fucker! : skinlab133
• IR is going to happen no matter what. Thankfully it comes and goes easily with no permanent effects. : silent prophet
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  she's totally invested in him now, lol fail. :( : Downforce
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    they've been dating for like a year, this is so beyond my control. come over for a movie! : orgcaptainnemo
    • it could have been an epic shackstory. BUT ALAS. :[ : Downforce
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      You invite him but not me, we're over OCN : FrayLo
      • fraylo you know i love you. you can come over anytime. : orgcaptainnemo
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  Samsung LED 9k series. EOT : krym3
  • Blacks still look gray to me on the LEDs after being exposed to plasma at home. The color clarity on the... : cetra00
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    The blacks still don't compare to plasmas :( : ieGod
    • Nor do the prices. : DinK
  • a plasma has a better picture at 1/3 the price : jcupitt
  • LCDs look like crap in comparison, EOT : Serpico74
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  brand new tv and already image retention? uh-oh : vassili_zaitsev
  • useful post by vassili : orgcaptainnemo
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  I love my Pioneer Elite plasma. However a couple of points.... plasmas do eat up a FUCKTON of power. W... : johnny rotten
  • My dad just got one, now I need to figure out how to turn off MEMC or whatever it is. : one random winner
  • The current Panasonics have a large reduction in power consumption. : DinK
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  Plasma is great, but IR is still an issue if you play video games on the TV or watch sports. Video games ... : daVinci1980
  • Videogames are the reason I went with a plasma. Lower input lag than LCDs. : Prozium
  • i never, ever notice IR with games : EvilDolemite
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    IR is not permanent at all, and it's only noticeable if there is nothing being displayed on the screen ex... : aggressor
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      This is me pre-googling, but I have an LCD (Bravia Z4600) that, using the Rock Band 2 calibrator, gets ab... : lolpatrol
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        I have a Samsung plasma from two years ago and my Rock Band autocalibrates at 5ms. : qsylvr
        • Yeek. : lolpatrol
      • typicallly <10ms I think : jcupitt
      • basically nothing : EvilDolemite
  • IR is basically a solved problem at this point, you have to be incredibly abusive to your TV to cause per... : qsylvr
  • I play games all the time on my 60" Kuro and have never had IR problems, even after 6 hours or whatever. : Serpico74
  • If you play the same game with a static HUD for several hours straight and then you go looking for IR in ... : DinK
  • To be clear, I'm not talking about permanent IR. I'm talking about temporary IR like other subthreads are... : daVinci1980
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    No it's not, stop spreading this bullshit myth. : jingletard
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      Yes, image retention is still an issue. I didn't say burnin. I said image retention. Did you even read the rest of this thread?
      
      http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/plasmatv/plasmatv-burnin.html
      http://dvice.com/archives/2008/05/shift_image_ret.php
      http://www.tv-forums.com/forum/TV_Equipment_C4/Plasma_TV_Forum_F26/Philips_plasma_image_retention,_sparkles_P42317/
      http://samsungplasmatvfaq.com/index.php/Break-in,_burn-in,_and_image_retention#What_is_image_retention.3F
      http://hdguru.com/plasma-tv-burn-in-fact-or-myth/826/
      
      

      Jan 13, 2010 8:11pm PST
      Yes, image retention is still an issue. I didn't say burnin. I said image retention. Did you even read th... : daVinci1980
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  I just purchased a Panasonic 50 inch G10, and absolutely love it. I haven't watched any blu-ray on it yet... : Sole.exe
  • If you leave it on the 360 dashboard for an hour or two and then switch it to a blank source you'll proba... : Mansmells
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    wow, i didn't realize brand new plasmas are still having retention problems bad enough to warrant a scre... : vassili_zaitsev
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      wow another helpful and useful vassili post! : orgcaptainnemo
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        Did vassili buy an lcd or something? : aggressor
        • he has freedom plasmas. : orgcaptainnemo
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          People do this thing where they adopt a piece of technology, then mercilessly shit on everything else aro... : MercFox1
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            stop shitting in my shitting thread yo! i'm honestly surprised that plasmas still have this issue. i th... : vassili_zaitsev
            • I wouldn't really say it's an "issue." It's just something that's "possible." For those of us with rece... : DinK
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      I think he may be referring to the screensaver feature where it kicks in if the the screen detects a stat... : Prozium
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        no, there's an anti-IR thing you can do that sweeps a white bar across a black screen. It's buried in a ... : DinK
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          I can't seem to find that on my Panasonic Plasma. Not that I really care as I don't need it. : Mansmells
          • On my S1 it's: Menu Setup Anti Image Retention Scrolling bar Also fuck Panasonic in the ass for ... : DinK
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  Nice tv, now I have tv size envy. At least I will have trek on bluray tomorrow via netflix to keep me war... : FrayLo
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    suck it up and buy it. I got it for $14 CAN : vassili_zaitsev
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      I don't buy movies anymore, I rarely rewatch them. : FrayLo
      • Yeah, when I've got hundreds of discs in my Netflix queue with more movies coming out every week, why wat... : DinK
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  Don't bother "breaking in" a plasma. It really isn't necessary. All you can really do that will help its ... : Endymion_
  • You say not to bother breaking it in, but what you're describing IS a break-in period, even if you aren't... : DinK
• That image retention stuff will never go away. What I mean is, the image isn't burned in at all, you dont... : bozer
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  Maybe I'm retarded, but I've always liked the picture on an LCD screen over a plasma. : wykd
  • You're retarded. : orgcaptainnemo
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    LCDs tend to look sexier in B&Ms because they have "store mode" which cranks up contrast and a few other ... : Head Rush
    • Yeah, and on top of having more glare-prone glass screens, I think the panels are more of a gray color. ... : DinK