Evening Reading: Dragon Fade

I started Dragon Age a couple weeks back and immediately got really into it (PC for those wondering and I highly recommend this route). This past weekend I got to a section named the fade and boy did they hit the nail on the head calling it that. My obsessive night-in and night-out roll playing the game came to a halt and while I'll get past this section it will be by force of will.

It so happened that over the weekend I also saw The Men Who Stare at Goats. Now this show's worst problem was that it wandered off aimlessly into the desert but the way the final cut wound up didn't do it any favors either. Wondering about what was left on the cutting room floor and whether it could have come together any better led to me thinking about how the whole movie post-production process could be examined to improve video games.

Okay, so clearly film is a whole other sort of media. It's one thing to shoot a number of different angles and takes for a scene but quite another to do something similar in a game. That doesn't mean the concept doesn't work; it just needs to be adjusted to the game production cycle. In the case of Dragon Age: Origins somewhere before the time got invested in creating all the Fade area someone needed to storyboard it or play it in a prototype or something and say, wait, this really disrupts the flow. Then they could have come back at and figured out how to get across the cool mystical parallel world element of the Fade as it relates to the game world without breaking the pacing of the overall experience.

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From The Chatty
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    December 9, 2009 5:14 PM

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      December 9, 2009 5:15 PM

      i'm waiting till he devolves into talking about stuff that sucks

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      December 9, 2009 5:15 PM

      This early chatty stuff is awesome.

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      December 9, 2009 5:16 PM

      I like the fact that his posts are lengthy. I mean you really only have to read it once then you're going straight to the chatty

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      December 9, 2009 5:16 PM

      commas are for pussies

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      December 9, 2009 5:16 PM

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      December 9, 2009 5:16 PM

      Garnettin'

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        December 9, 2009 5:19 PM

        Mansmells likes this.

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          December 9, 2009 5:28 PM

          hey I think I played against you in MW2 recently, Mosh Pit playlist? I was [EMU]Dudeman (with a bunch of other equally colorful friends) and I felt bad because I was using my retarded One Man Army Noob Tube kit and blasted someone with your name, and felt a pang of remorse for potentially killing a fellow shacker in such a disgraceful way :(

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            December 9, 2009 5:40 PM

            Don't feel bad, I use the thumper all the time. I deserve all the toobing I get.

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              December 9, 2009 5:42 PM

              Also yes it probably was me. I play mosh pit most of the time.

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        December 9, 2009 5:36 PM

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      December 9, 2009 5:17 PM

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      December 9, 2009 5:20 PM

      Makes me grateful for twitters character limit.

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      December 9, 2009 5:22 PM

      What exactly would you like him to talk about?

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      December 9, 2009 5:29 PM

      like sponge doesn't !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      December 9, 2009 5:31 PM

      as opposed to the comments however, which are always topical, interesting, and relevant to current times

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        December 9, 2009 5:34 PM

        That's why they're Comments, and not Front Page News. I don't mind Garnett Lee's posts -- just sayin'.

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          December 9, 2009 5:35 PM

          Garnett's posts are not front page news either.

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      December 9, 2009 5:34 PM

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      December 9, 2009 5:41 PM

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      December 9, 2009 5:42 PM

      It's amazing that people are so hostile to him. Is it because he often writes about games' (perceived) faults? Because he puts opinions in a personal and vivid context? He's definitely the most expressive writer to do these posts in a long time, but I guess people want squids and funny links instead.

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        December 9, 2009 6:00 PM

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          December 9, 2009 6:03 PM

          Not at all. There are an endless number of them queued up at the station. :)

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            December 9, 2009 6:11 PM

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            December 9, 2009 6:23 PM

            I just wish the station was Swiss so it would be punctual :(

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              December 9, 2009 6:25 PM

              It was this time! It's fantastic.

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                December 9, 2009 6:27 PM

                7:13 is not punctual, it's too early. I was stuck in the last chatty for 45 minutes >:( Last night was 8:45. This rape train ain't got no brakes.

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                  December 9, 2009 6:30 PM

                  I've taken to clicking the chat thread button instead of mashing refresh long ago to avoid such embarrassment.

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              December 9, 2009 6:34 PM

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                December 9, 2009 6:41 PM

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                December 9, 2009 6:42 PM

                How do you feel about regularly participating in such a parasitic and poorly designed system?

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                  December 9, 2009 6:47 PM

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                    December 9, 2009 6:55 PM

                    I was just curious, I liked the post :(

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                      December 9, 2009 7:02 PM

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                        December 9, 2009 7:07 PM

                        I think he meant as a commenter/user, rather than progenitor - which is an interesting question. You obviously don't hate it enough to not post here and read the comments.

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                          December 9, 2009 7:11 PM

                          There was a bit of this, but I think the answer to that is more obvious, since Shacknews is a pretty solid group of folks as far as internet communities go.

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                        December 9, 2009 7:09 PM

                        I've never had to contend with site design, so the width changes and such never even occurred to me. Interesting nonetheless, now that you've pointed it out. Still, considering how deeply rooted the problems of running a community with this comments system appear to be, I'm interested to see what your solution is.

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                        December 9, 2009 10:27 PM

                        There is yakety sax going on all over the site

                        i couldn't help but laugh at this

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                    December 9, 2009 7:19 PM

                    ahaha

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                December 9, 2009 6:45 PM

                I've been reading Shack comments for longer than I care to admit, and this was fascinating.

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                December 9, 2009 6:57 PM

                ... and what would the differences be?

                It's a pretty clear problem, with a bunch of possible solutions, none of which seems particularly great.

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                December 9, 2009 6:59 PM

                even if it is a stupid system with a stupid reason for existing, i kinda like it, each chatty is a little different from the last and it's interesting to see how they go, but i also don't have to support any of it

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                December 9, 2009 7:02 PM

                Love to hear your thoughts if you're up for sharing.

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                  December 9, 2009 7:18 PM

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                    December 9, 2009 7:21 PM

                    pay haiku to do this right now please

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                    December 9, 2009 7:24 PM

                    I like this idea. I really only check out news stories when I haven't banned anyone in awhile. They get out of hand after they sit for awhile and we forget about them.

                    What about people who are just popping in all "HAY! I like Mario Brothers! Let me mention that to people! OH GOD WHY IS THIS GUY POSTING PICTURES OF HIS BALLS????" Do you think this would draw more lurkers/casual posters in or run them off? I think it would definitely bring the heavy posters to the news stories.

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                      December 9, 2009 7:29 PM

                      The comments already run people off like that; I can't see how his solution would be any worse.

                      Also, imagine that the "article comments" are links to a specific thread, just like clicking the "Permalink" icon on the left side of any thread. That way the casual commenters wouldn't see the rest of the threads unless they specifically wanted to.

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                      December 10, 2009 12:14 AM

                      no no no! just make the front page article an OP in latestchatty.x and all the comments to that article a subthread.

                      So latestchatty sees all the frontpage article bumps in latestchatty, but if some dummy brings political/nws/stupid into that thread they are automatically filtered from the frontpage article and/or nuked

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                        December 10, 2009 12:16 AM

                        and when we reply to an article OP, it should show up in the front page comments.

                        it would probably task the mods for a minute while they proved they won't take latestchatty random comment in a front page OP, but it could be pretty damn cool.

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                    December 9, 2009 7:29 PM

                    This sounds pretty slick. For clarity's sake, you mean clicking on the "comment" button for a news story would link you to only that news story's thread? I know I'm not alone in thinking that the current format of latest chatty shields us from some of the more frighteningly stupid internet denizens (see: latestchatty app and hoverboards), though isolated linking of story chatties from the front page would protect against most of that.

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                      December 9, 2009 7:30 PM

                      Stupid internet denizens would also be more actively moderated by virtue of their presence in the "main forum".

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                      December 9, 2009 7:30 PM

                      Though I guess J4NUS makes a good point in respect to this.

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                    December 9, 2009 7:36 PM

                    I am behind this idea.

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                    December 9, 2009 7:38 PM

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                    December 9, 2009 7:39 PM

                    In case it wasn't clear, I think this is a great improvement.

                    It's certainly not guaranteed to solve either of the "unsustainability" problems you identified downthread, but it's a move in the right direction. It certainly prevents Gamefly from deciding to "just stop posting those chatty threads" in the future.

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                      December 9, 2009 7:42 PM

                      certainly, certainly

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                      December 9, 2009 7:44 PM

                      Which is much more concerning now that our benefactors are beginning to encroach good ol' Shacknews. I too hope this gets implemented.

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                    December 9, 2009 7:39 PM

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                    December 9, 2009 7:41 PM

                    make it so.

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                    December 9, 2009 7:44 PM

                    Awesome idea.

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                    December 9, 2009 7:44 PM

                    Agree with this.

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                    December 9, 2009 7:44 PM

                    This is a really good idea

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                    December 9, 2009 7:56 PM

                    I like this. Is there an internet petition I can sign to further your cause?

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                    December 9, 2009 8:11 PM

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                      December 9, 2009 8:16 PM

                      I think most of us understand the danger of opening the floodgates, but this solution deals nicely with the possibility that Gamefly'll shut the chatties down. To them we are just excessive bandwidth, after all.

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                        December 9, 2009 8:21 PM

                        More than excess bandwidth: porn, gross-out websites, fukung, every kind of imaginable obscenity.

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                          December 9, 2009 8:23 PM

                          All that is good in life :D

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                            December 9, 2009 9:08 PM

                            To crush your enemies, see them driven before you... and to hear the lamentation of their women!

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                        December 9, 2009 8:28 PM

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                      December 9, 2009 8:19 PM

                      For me, this has nothing to do with Garnett's writing. I like his writing. He's experimenting, trying to find a style that works for him and the audience, and it's noticeably different every week.

                      Haiku's idea is good for all the reasons he articulated, none of which are "getting rid of chatty posts". That's part of the solution, but not the reason for it.

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                      December 9, 2009 8:41 PM

                      I would prefer it because I think it would lead to more discussion of games. The Steam week of sales thing was great because there were so many gaming conversations

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                      December 10, 2009 10:21 AM

                      you didn't understand what haiku meant when he said that the comments link for a story would only go to that story's thread

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                    December 9, 2009 8:34 PM

                    another vote for do this please

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                    December 9, 2009 8:53 PM

                    Yes, do this, it would be very beneficial to the site and community as a whole.

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                    December 9, 2009 8:57 PM

                    this is an excellent idea, and everyone would hate it.

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                      December 9, 2009 9:00 PM

                      I suspect that the "ECO GameFly has destroyed the chatty!" posts would be inevitable.

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                        December 9, 2009 9:03 PM

                        it's useless these days. any minute change is anathema to the hardcore chatty addicts. people went from barely paying attention to the ER and MD posts to first criticizing alice for her esoteric existential ramblings to bashing garnett for his "weird style". you can't win. so, good ideas need to just be implemented without regard to the community. they will adjust after many sessions of whinging.

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                          December 10, 2009 10:23 AM

                          whinging? are you british or something?

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                    December 10, 2009 12:06 AM

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                    December 10, 2009 12:10 AM

                    To interlace the news thread with the chatty thread is fucking brilliant. So, in between us showing shaven balls and asking for tits - we are forced to see,. in latestchatty, the bumps of the actual news articles in chatty. FUCK - this is brilliant.

                    We comment from chatty, front page posters comment from front page - and all are collated / interlaced into the visible chatty thread and into the front page post.

                    Good lord this is actually genius, haiku. For once I have to agree - BEST AT SHACKNEWS.

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                    December 10, 2009 12:29 AM

                    Wow, fantastic idea.

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                    December 10, 2009 1:06 AM

                    Paging ECO!

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                    December 10, 2009 1:11 AM

                    +INF make this happen!

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                    December 10, 2009 1:52 AM

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                    December 10, 2009 2:15 AM

                    Where can I donate my Mercury subscription to to make this happen?

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                    December 10, 2009 2:44 AM

                    haiku you brilliant bastard.

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                    December 10, 2009 5:45 AM

                    Sounds pretty good to me. But what happens to comment threads related to a news item if the news item is posted like 15 minutes before midnight? Do they automatically carry over to a new chatty until they have been there for x hours or something?

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                      December 10, 2009 6:57 AM

                      there'd be no need to - they will still have a home, the link will still work, there's nothing wrong with it being in a day old chatty

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                    December 10, 2009 10:20 AM

                    I'm RikiTiki2 and I endorse this message

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                    February 15, 2011 6:55 PM

                    And so it was.

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                December 9, 2009 7:10 PM

                I don't disagree with anything here. It's almost like we should have a separate "latest chatty" dedicated page with only a single visible page. Once a thread slips off that front page, it's gone, but the comments search would still bring it up if you really had to dig it up.

                The only problem is how to deal with megathreads that won't die and the thresshold for number of posts on that first page.

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                December 9, 2009 7:12 PM

                Start it up Clay Haiku.

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                December 9, 2009 7:13 PM

                I agree. I would have no issue with the chat thread just sticking around as one big thread so that people could bump old topics instead of reposting.

                That said, what little I know about the system we have here from years of posting makes me think that even if not for the community's sake, that the chatties would load very slowly and be a huge problem, especially for conversations that start to get into the hundreds of replies.

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                  December 9, 2009 7:14 PM

                  This comment system wouldn't work without archiving threads in some way; I don't think that's what haiku was suggesting.

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                  December 9, 2009 7:16 PM

                  You can't have a continuous chatty for that very reason. A page with an allotted number of threads would alleviate this. Bumping back onto the page once it's been bumped off (through a comment search) might be problematic as everyone who does a parent author search continues (or tries to continue) to converse in that thread, making it more or less "sticky", which goes against the very nature of what the current shack chatties are all about. Bumping lost threads should be avoided in such a system. Bumping active threads would be a-ok though.

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                  December 9, 2009 8:10 PM

                  don't you see the obvious angst it would create when half the people bitch that "we've already had that thread in this month's chat zomg go find it and reply to it stop starting a new one" as if it was reasonable for someone to have to dig beyond 3-5 of the current pages to find a thread topic.

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                December 9, 2009 7:19 PM

                unsustainable? How could you imagine it is unsustainable? I think you were looking for a different word there.

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                December 9, 2009 7:35 PM

                Why isn't there a single chatty post per day? If a single chatty can take this community through the entire weekend, why do we need two per weekday?

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                  December 9, 2009 7:41 PM

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                    December 9, 2009 7:42 PM

                    But then we wouldn't have a "shit on Garnett" thread every night. Woe.

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                  December 9, 2009 7:46 PM

                  Because we tried that and it was awful. The Chatty must be flushed twice daily to avoid it turning into the monkey cage at the zoo. The weekends are slow enough to not need it so much, but when Maarten tried it, the Chatties sucked hard.

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                December 9, 2009 8:08 PM

                TLDR:: We/they can't monetize the chatties effectively due to how they are designed, but they eat up a significant amount of resources and time and workforce, so they're incredibly draining to Shacknews.

                Just in case you wanted a one-sentence summary.

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                December 10, 2009 12:04 AM

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            December 9, 2009 11:05 PM

            you are a dickassholeshitmotherfucker !!!

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          December 9, 2009 6:16 PM

          haiku, is this the first time you've felt bad about hitting someone with the hate train?

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          December 9, 2009 6:44 PM

          All you can do is hate, haiku. You haven't been programmed for anything else.

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        December 9, 2009 6:41 PM

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        December 9, 2009 7:16 PM

        I think that his posts read very dry when this has always been a very wet, squishy kind of joint. We will see who break first, the Shack's unrelenting badgering or his writing style.

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      December 9, 2009 6:09 PM

      I like it

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      December 9, 2009 6:11 PM

      He has the opposite problem Maarten did when starting here...lol

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      December 9, 2009 6:11 PM

      Garnett's comments work better in podcast form.

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      December 9, 2009 6:17 PM

      Don't care about his posts really, evening reading started sucking balls when they stopped posting links to entertaining random news stories. When was that? Years ago?

      Uhm. Garnett, you didn't make it through the fade? How far is that into the game? 10 hours?

      You just missed 40 more hours of excellent story and play. Good job!

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        December 9, 2009 6:36 PM

        Garnett is posting random links again; I like that

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        December 9, 2009 7:00 PM

        good job at totally failing to comprehend what he was saying. He hasn't given up on the game, he's just saying the Fade is a hard slog and has destroyed the pace of the game for him, which is a valid complaint, since it is quite an abrubt change. Yeah it gets (much) better, but he'll find that out himself and maybe we'll get a followup post. :)

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          December 9, 2009 7:03 PM

          Oh definitely. I can't wait to get out of the Fade and back (as I see it) on track with the game.

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            December 9, 2009 7:07 PM

            The Fade disrupted my first playthrough a little bit, and it totally derailed my second one. It took me a couple weeks to get through (the second time) because it was frightfully boring.

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              December 9, 2009 9:02 PM

              I haven't played the game, what is this "Fade" area and what does it entail that is so controversial?

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              December 10, 2009 12:20 AM

              I loved the Fade. I think I'm the only one.

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            December 9, 2009 7:22 PM

            The Fade really was awful. I had to plow through it one sitting out of sheer willpower, because I knew if I stopped while inside that god forsaken abortion I would most likely have zero desire to load the game back up.

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            December 9, 2009 7:36 PM

            I don't get why everyone hated the fade so much. It wasn't awesome, but I don't think it deserves the hate.

            I enjoyed being able to transform into a giant rock dude and hurl boulders at whatever. The only part I really could have done without were the rat bits. Those were just annoying. Plus it was kind of fun to run around solo for a little while. It gave me a chance to break out of the routine I had fallen into when fighting enemies (pause, send my character out to collect enemies, let party auto attack, use morrigan to kill, rinse, repeat).

            It wasn't my favorite part of the game by a long shot, but it certainly wasn't my least favorite.

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            December 9, 2009 8:00 PM

            The Fade killed my mother and raped my family.

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      December 9, 2009 6:27 PM

      the ER youtube link to perverted frosty is private

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      December 9, 2009 6:43 PM

      If I was compensated as much as Garnett Lee I'd probably be talking about whatever.

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      December 9, 2009 7:05 PM

      chris remo was the last one who was compelling to me. he was like five feet tall and had a full beard and his sexuality was constantly in question and i heard all these rumors from people who met him in shackmeets and he was a really good writer who seriously loved video games. the guy was interesting.

      since then i couldn't really name a single person here who writes the latest chatty stuff. the one who does the posts about octopuses or whatever is kind of funny. i think it's an english chick. i do enjoy those.

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      December 9, 2009 7:15 PM

      Mr Garnett makes awesome posts.

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      December 9, 2009 7:19 PM

      I like how he sort of meanders around with what he's saying. Not really how someone would say something, but more of how they would think it.

      Of course, since I have less than 400 posts, my opinion doesn't really carry much weight around these parts.

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      December 9, 2009 8:02 PM

      I don't get his hate for the Fade part of the game. While I agree it was a bit slow, certainly not my favorite part of the game, it only took a few hours to get through, and it was reasonably interesting at least. I liked having to "wake up" my party members. So it's a relatively slow portion of an otherwise A+ game, so what?

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      December 9, 2009 8:04 PM

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      December 9, 2009 8:04 PM

      See this giant thread of angst about Garnett? And we've had them before. Yet a couple weeks ago, i made a small comment about how his "Weekend Sighted" (or whatever his Friday night ER posts were being called) was getting confused with the actual Weekend chatty, with people thinking it was just posted a few hours early, as demonstrated by all the people who were posting their threads there thinking would be in latest chatty all weekend, only to find out that wasn't the case a few hours later when the actual Weekend chatty got posted.

      It was a brief observation that maybe he should think of a better title for his post. But the response was a bunch of people jumping all over me saying ZOMG WTF YOU JUST DUNNO, BUT BUT THAT WEEKEND SIGHTED IS A REALLY IMPORTANT CATCHPHRASE OF GARNETTS THAT HE'S USED AT SOME OTHER WEBSITE THAT WE ALL KNOW ABOUT AND STUFF SO SO SO UR WRONG AND GARNETT IS SO AWESOME AND FYAD AND GTFO AND HURRRR.

      The Shack is so fickle and hypocritical. =|

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      December 9, 2009 8:16 PM

      The style Garnett is going for is tough to do, I think, but that he misspelled 'role' I think is telling. It is supposed to be role, right, and now roll, alluding to some RPG board game? Whatever, the "this made me think of this which made me think of this" can work and no doubt it could work well for this site and the chatty, but it does need to be looked over, read aloud, revised a bit.

      Ah, I don't have time to explain the changes -- 5-10 minute revision trying to keep the style -- I made but I hope they're self-explanatory. I don't dare assert it's flawless but I think it's a bit better--and, if anything, shows where I think his attempts to write in this style stumble a bit.

      I started Dragon Age a couple weeks back and immediately got really into it (PC for those wondering, and I'm happy with my choice). But boy did they hit the nail on the head calling the Fade the Fade. My obsessive night-in and night-out role playing came to a halt and I actually went to bed at a decent hour. If I bother finishing this section it will be because I know the game can't become this uninteresting and stay this uninteresting.

      The free time from Dragon Age I used to see The Men Who Stare at Goats. Now, the movie's worst problem is that the narrative wandered and the final cut of the film only made it more noticeable. But that made think about what the editors left on the cutting room floor and whether they could have cut the film better. You know, to somehow keep my interest from...fading.

      Despite the increasing similiarities -- games becoming more cinematic, movies becoming more game-like with CG -- film is a still a very different medium.. It's one thing to film many angles and takes for just one scene, leaving some on the cutting room floor, but it's quite another thing to do that when developing a game. That doesn't mean the Fade doesn't work; it just needs to be adapted to how people create games. With Dragon Age, perhaps they forgot to storyboard The Fade or, even, to play it and didn't realize how disruptive it is to the flow of the game. They could have come back and figured out what parts of this cool mystical parallel-world element of the Fade to keep and what parts might be better left on the floor.


      I hope I didn't make it more verbose :D That said, I love the game:movies parallel but I'm pretty sure games have storyboards and playtesters, so the comparison of editing doesn't work when you juts say ...someone needed to storyboard it.

      Just trying to be constructive.

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        December 9, 2009 8:16 PM

        *and not

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        December 9, 2009 8:55 PM

        I read that "roll" as in "being on a roll"

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          December 9, 2009 8:59 PM

          right or just read it as 'routine'

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          December 9, 2009 9:02 PM

          Which wouldn't make much more sense in a strict, proper grammar situation, but it does fit with Garnett's style of writing.

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        December 10, 2009 12:36 PM

        Well, role/role=ignore everything I say.

        Later.

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      December 9, 2009 8:24 PM

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      December 9, 2009 9:53 PM

      was he in the civil war?

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      December 9, 2009 10:49 PM

      Everyone's an English major now!

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        December 9, 2009 11:29 PM

        Just remember, english majors don't make any money!

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          December 9, 2009 11:49 PM

          One of my best friends got his BA in English and has been jobless for a year now.

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          December 10, 2009 12:50 AM

          so 10% of the American population are english majors?

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      December 9, 2009 11:04 PM

      haiku.

      just asking for it.

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      December 9, 2009 11:52 PM

      moshman. not giving a fuck

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      December 9, 2009 11:58 PM

      I'm a fan of his writing so far. It's a bit unorthodox compared to what we're used to around here, but it's lively and entertaining. I approve!

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      December 10, 2009 12:00 AM

      haiku, don't worry. I understood and I am important

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      December 10, 2009 1:26 AM

      I feel bad for the shit Garnett gets here, I was a fan of a lot of the 1up podcasts and I always liked that he just said what came to mind and how he never really held anything back.

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        December 10, 2009 4:26 AM

        I'm with you, I enjoyed his podcast at 1up and honestly I guess I don't pay attention to the front page enough to be horribly offended by his entries.

        The grammar police stuff is typical internet, so that's expected but I think certain shackers have a mancrush on Chris Remo and pretty much can't tolerate any deviation from that.

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      December 10, 2009 1:55 AM

      FUCK YEAH, GARNETT LEE FANCLUB RIGHT HERE BABY. I WANT TO HAVE YOUR BABIES! WILL YOU SIGN MY CHEST?!?!?!

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      December 10, 2009 1:57 AM

      god damn who cares hes doing fine

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      December 10, 2009 4:44 AM

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      December 10, 2009 4:49 AM

      I dare you to do better, enlist in Starf Leet

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      December 10, 2009 6:35 AM

      personally think he's doing great, putting way more effort in to ER than anyone else around here has in a long time.

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      December 10, 2009 8:20 AM

      I wonder if the same scrutiny will be extended to all shack staff

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