Evening Reading: Faylure Averted

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  They should start charging people for ammo. : MagicWishMonkey
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    lol : cack
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      Ten cents per clip, I bet they would make a ton of money and no one would complain. : MagicWishMonkey
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        Maybe as a discount, they can let us run around trying to find reusable bullets. : cack
        • It would be like free money!!! : MagicWishMonkey
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          Also.. scavenge them from the opposing enemy and on harder difficulties if you're really desperate you ca... : K1Bond007
          • Haha, that would fuck up shit so badly. : enyakk
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        Maybe a discount if you buy in 1000 clip packs. : JediDwag
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          or pay a monthly fee for unlimited ammo : barichnikov
          • lol Yeah, we'll turn this into combat arms yet... : JediDwag
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    There was a game during the 90's called PBTerm that did charge for ammo/grenades. It was more to support... : bashildy@speakeasy.net
    • Damn its stats page is still up. 842 games played, 505 splatted players, 330 times splatted. It'd be sc... : bashildy@speakeasy.net
  • Wait for steam weekend deals. 50% off on all ammo purchases and if you preorder the ammo now, you get a ... : mobab
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  I don't mind a company trying to make money off a good product. : Scotty22
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    I mind them including stuff in the disc and then charging to unlock it. lol. It's the same problem I h... : mlev
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      Yeah, I agree. Day 1 DLC is not right. If you can include it on the disk, it should be included. : JediDwag
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        So you would have been happier if they deleted it off the disk and made you download a few gigs because..... : factor27
        • A new game mode most certainly is a few gigs. A few being like .4 gigs, if even that much. If they're... : JediDwag
        • Your missing the point : ShadowRam
  • But can you justify what they're doing to PC gamers? They lock them into their platform and don't allow ... : JediDwag
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    Why do people always defend this kind of thing as if it is in any way sweet? Devil's advocate? I don't ge... : SockMonkeh
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      I don't know the business model has shifted slightly. It's not like it used to be because of easy access ... : Scotty22
      • You don't understand, this is not downloadable content. It's a downloadable unlock for something they alr... : Zek
  • You don't care in which way they try to make their money? : TrptJim
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  do you know that these modes were for dlc or are you just guessing? : pandastrong
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    Just guessing. But finished multi-player modes on the disk that simply aren't included? Ones that can b... : JediDwag
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      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=21432967#itemanchor_21432967 : pandastrong
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        What's your point? Are you saying they're going to unlock these modes as a free gift later? Meethinks n... : JediDwag
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          My point is you don't know what their plans are. So jumping to conclusions is stupid. : pandastrong
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            I'm allowed to make my own opinion based on the facts, thank you very much. You on the other hand, can h... : JediDwag
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              I did disagree, and stated it, and you came back with "What's your point?" : pandastrong
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                I'm sorry, my mistake completely. I didn't see your comment down the page, I just saw the OP and tho... : JediDwag
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                  You wish they hadn't put them in a build that could only be accessed if the console was hacked? I'm not ... : r_picmip 5
                  • HOT COFFEE'D : YerMothah
                  • What are the two main things the consumers wanted? A console and dedicated servers. Is anyone surprised... : JediDwag
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    there on disc : stgdz
    • Yeah, right there : zebosausamite
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      so was hot coffee. : Klebold
      • I looked up the article. I was right, the developer needs to disclose all hidden or unfinished content t... : JediDwag
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  So what? This probably means it'll be unlocked a lot sooner then if they had to go back and actually deve... : freakynipples69
  • so what is it obviously could have been included in the launch release : peat
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    But making you pay for content you already have physically in your possession? That's a dick move. : JediDwag
    • its a dick move if it happens, but no one knows yet. : pandastrong
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      Says who? Who determines where the game ends and the extras begin? I'm guessing the people developing th... : KxRook
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        I'm self entitled because I purchase a disc with stuff on it and then i access that stuff? : mlev
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          No, that content wasn't part of the purchase price, your license at POS doesn't allow you access to it. ... : KxRook
          • I think it's more of an issue because it is included, and it is accessible, but you have to hack your gam... : JediDwag
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        Yes, it's their decision as to what goes on the disk. Once it's on the disk, and it's in the consumers h... : JediDwag
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          Yes, it's their decision as to what goes on the disk. Once it's on the disk, and it's in the consumers ha... : KxRook
          • I didn't buy this game, and I have no intention of doing so. I'm just arguing that the PC version of thi... : JediDwag
          • To be really fair, you don't agree to the terms of the license until after you've made the purchase. : ieGod
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            It blows my mind your actually trying to justify this. : technotica
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              It blows my mind that you have a problem understanding this simple concept. You're paying for the game... : uncleanmonkey
              • The whole "I should be able to use what's on the disc I bought how I want" thing can only go so far. Doe... : DinK
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                wtf is wrong with you ppl. This is pure speculation that it's DLC however, if IW finished DLC content and... : echoinggreen
                • You don't have to take it up the ass, you can just not buy it. This is their delivery model, and it's the... : ieGod
              • Kinda like the L4D DLC that allowed you to play split-screen on PC. What, that's right. People found a ... : JediDwag
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          I bet you've never dealt with professional software licensing. You only get access to the data on the ... : dedgecko
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            I understand how a software licence works. I have read a complete EULA at some point in my life, and I r... : JediDwag
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              "If you can access it via the console, is it really considered not included in the game just because they... : r_picmip 5
              • Only because IW assumed people were too dumb to find it. I'm sure the "hackers" didn't create a console,... : JediDwag
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      Welcome to the world of IT where this has been common practice for many years. Licensing things as optio... : spazzium
      • True, that has been done with large mass licensed corporate software, but I think that is apples to orang... : JediDwag
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  all this teeth gnashing means nothing. Unless people don't buy it, their complaints are irrelevant. : edgewise
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    PC gamers can play it now, and don't need to pay for it. I certainly hope none of them buy it. Console ... : JediDwag
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      soon to be N U K E D : imcompa
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        whoops, thought you were talking about pirating the game, not unlocking the DLC through console. my bad. : imcompa
        • Yeah... :-) Are they going to find a way to stop people that stole the game? That's good. As long a... : JediDwag
  • I won't buy edgewise, I'll stand the moral ground. Seriously, I hated the first one, not going to buy th : skitzo
  • Yes, but you get rich off of teeth gnashing don't you? : mechanicalgrape
• ONLINE MONETIZATION MODEL'D : mnsnota
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  You know, at some point the game publisher's will just not even bother making a PC version of their games... : u sir name
  • It is funny. I have been hearing PC gaming is dead for 10 years. I still have about 10 triple AAA titles... : erebus
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    Top tier game. Yes. I'm sure the xbox and playstation versions of the game are fantastic and deserve al... : JediDwag
    • HAha, thats the best comic ever! : bundy
    • that picture really does sum it all up : yacoub35
  • I don't think so. It's just some of the game industry has found the popcorn movie model, and those studio... : thebigbeefsandwich
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    The wii is still outselling the xbox 360 and the PS3, and it's nearly outselling the two combined. But I... : JediDwag
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      I think the 360 and the PS3 outsell the Wii in games, even though the Wii outsells in hardware : OrkO
      • I agree. Publishers shouldn't make decisions about which platform to program for based on certain sales ... : JediDwag
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    If they would just add mouse + keyboard support for the console, I probably wouldn't play pc games anymor... : Sole.exe
    • That'd be cool, but there are other reasons I prefer PC. I like that when I bought Borderlands I was a... : JediDwag
  • Thats why SC2 is PC only im sure... : technotica
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  I don't see why you think these are finished or balanced game play modes instead of game play modes that ... : MrBig0
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    Thank God for Hot Coffee. Mmmm..... Didn't the ESRB pass rules about all content on disk after that f... : JediDwag
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      What if that would have cost IW additional development time, which is incredibly valuable given their pro... : dedgecko
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        I think especially when a dev studio is rushing is when things like that are likely to be cut for the fin... : MrBig0
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          Did they later charge you for that content? Could you access it in a playable state via a couple simple ... : JediDwag
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            No, they did not release the content later and you could not play the content in a cohesive narrative. T... : MrBig0
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              Nobody is flipping a shit, I'm just trying to make a distinction between what this is, and what unfinishe... : JediDwag
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                No, I'd really rather they didn't charge for content if it's completed and on the disc. I think they're p... : MrBig0
                • And that's all I'm trying to say. Apparently disc is for a CD or DVD type disc that you burn content t... : JediDwag
      • My argument is against them putting finished content on the disk then charging for it later down the road... : JediDwag
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    Thats true, but if it is as some say. An actual finished product, I think its a really bad move charging ... : technotica
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      its just dirty, plain and simple. It serves no purpose but to fill the money hats. In long term it could ... : technotica
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        You obviously don't see the value in the time and effort to make content. On the face of it an argum... : r_picmip 5
        • It's the removal of the free content on PC that really irks me. By removing dedicated servers, they lock... : JediDwag
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  capcom did it with Resident Evil 5 on ps3 too : silversurfer
  • And Street Fighter 4. There's no way that those extra costumes are 30kb/each or whatever size the downlo... : CyCo_PL
  • Ugh, yeah. That was dumb too. : JediDwag
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  I can't wait until physical distribution goes away so people can stop crying about DLC like this. If you ... : veras
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    ...and be excluded from the online multiplayer population playing those modes. It's just like not buying... : the archvile
    • wrong - you just can't play the playlists that are for the new maps. Eventually the map packs get releas... : dedgecko
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      I was referring to the base game then realized after I posted it could be interpreted as the DLC. What I ... : veras
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        Not talking console version. PC version. You can play this content now if you hack your legitimate copy... : JediDwag
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          YOU ARE COMPLETELY SPECULATING! And to cry about it the way you are is fucking stupid. If anything, t... : dedgecko
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            Yes, I am completely speculating. Thank you for understanding me. I am not crying about anything. I ... : JediDwag
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              If the game were out and they removed those things (ded servers, mods), that would be wrong. The fact is ... : MrBig0
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                But hackers were able to enable these supposedly not included features with what I'm assuming was minor t... : JediDwag
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                  Well I guess they thought that those things would hurt the smooth workings of their 'seamless online expe... : MrBig0
                  • Yeah. I guess we'll have to gauge their intentions are going forward, because we don't know for sure wha... : JediDwag
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              They have every right to sell their maps, but removing the competition of free user created maps by remov : dedgecko
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                "But, if everyone had just played to play like everyone on the consoles, aside from the modded controller... : JediDwag
                • *in the FUTURE publishers will perhaps learn from IWs mistakes. Sorry about that. : JediDwag
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                  Have you played the games at all? If not, you should rent them. They're pretty good! : MrBig0
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                    I do own COD2, and I have a friends copy of COD4 when he wasn't using it. I have seen videos of MW2, and... : JediDwag
                    • Have PLAYED a friends copy of COD4... : JediDwag
                    • No, you're flame-baiting. MW2 PC is everything on the console + kb/mouse, which makes it just perfect ... : dedgecko
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        Yeah but you have to admit... it's a dick move. The fact that the content is already on the disc shows t... : CyCo_PL
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          It is not a dick move if they never promised it in the game and the budget for it was not part of the ori... : Evil Benius
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            Yeah, but developers generally don't list everything that's going to be in the game before it's released,... : CyCo_PL
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              The thing is they do not even need to make an excuse. If the game does not have enough value to someone t... : Evil Benius
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                Well, you need to chill out. And not everybody who voices complaints or concerns about video games or th... : CyCo_PL
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                  Exactly, and people need to start calling them on their shady practices before it gets worse. http://w... : JediDwag
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                    Yea, that's an issue that DOES fucking suck. I just payed $79.09 after taxes for Assassin's Creed 2 in Ca... : MrBig0
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                      And as long as they get away with it, it's only going to get worse. I'm not tying to offend anyone, or... : JediDwag
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                        Thing is, I think most of the primary console gamers don't have the same perspective as oldschool PC gamers. To someone who has only played video games on console, things like patches and additional content is a semi-new thing, and charging for content is perfectly acceptable because it's all they've ever known.
                        
                        PC gamers, on the other hand, had access to these things before they were controlled by a monetized system. Addons were free--not just user made addons but developer made addons as well. Many devs even included free content along with their official patches (Unreal Tournament comes to mind). Sometimes really big updates were sold as expansion packs, but even those were reasonably priced and rarely cost the price of a full game. Nowadays, addons that would have been free now cost $10. Expansion packs that would have cost $30-40, are being released as standalone games at full price.
                        
                        I guess we can blame it on piracy, or the successful console market that is more willing to shell out the extra cash, but it still sucks. Unfortunately I don't see it changing for the better any time soon. I did my part, I didn't buy MW2 because I'm waiting until I can pick it up used for ~$40 because that's what it's worth to me. But my part doesn't mean shit, especially looking at the sales numbers of MW2 at launch.

                        Nov 18, 2009 8:43pm PST
                        Thing is, I think most of the primary console gamers don't have the same perspective as oldschool PC game... : CyCo_PL
              • Why let them piss you off? Just as they can choose not to buy what pisses them off, you can easily choos... : AndyGoin
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          where does it say the content is finished? playable =/= finished : MrBig0
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            Hence the last sentence of what I posted. : CyCo_PL
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              What I said isn't at all what you implied in the last sentence of your post. : MrBig0
              • When I said "accidentally left in the game", I meant unfinished. Generally because I don't think devs ac... : CyCo_PL
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      you know there are always Halo 3 multiplayer playlists that require 0 DLC right? : derelict515
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        The problem with that is they removed those playlists that were playable before from people who had them ... : phobium
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          Seriously, I had all the access when the game first came out, I go back to play it about a year later and... : phobium
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            Yeah it's pretty lame. I went back to play it with some guest accounts. Was only able to play FFA or Te... : excitebike111
            • on the other hand the first DLC packs were eventually made free so it's not all bad : derelict515
  • OR just be that much more thankful that a company like Valve exists. : deathofrats
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  Yeah I just started playing CoD:WaW (got it with my Xbox and never really touched it) and it's awesome, b... : CyCo_PL
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    Really? you get kicked? that sounds like a whole lotta bullshit to me. : gibolas1234
    • Well it's because the server is rotating to a map I don't have. And since there are so many map packs, t... : CyCo_PL
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    i got WaW from gamefly and found this to be the case too. it sucks, but that's what's happening to games... : FrayLo
    • This is the way it was in CoD4, but without the map pack it became increasingly hard to find a decent gam... : gibolas1234
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  They have already unlocked two modes (for free). It was one of the first things they did after release. : LoioshDwaggie
  • Really? Cool. I was not aware. : JediDwag
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  hey look more troll bait, and this was already posted yesterday. www.moderwarfail2.com all the goo... : dedgecko
  • If this was already posted I apologize. I didn't see it. I just found this article recently and thought... : JediDwag
• I called all of these modes on SA a few months back, when I was thinking that the game had more potential... : Amnesty_intl2
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  I see you and Destructoid have your jump to conclusions mats out. : Fred Garvin
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    Speculation is meant for discussion. Feel free to not participate. : JediDwag
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      Your root post was pretty sensationalistic and inflammatory... : MrBig0
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        I've never had a big thread on the shack before. So yeah it probably was a little... I won't deny it. ... : JediDwag
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          You took one fact (some game modes were found) and then imagined a reason for it being there that would o... : deveus1
          • He's outraged, isn't he? : AndyGoin
          • I'm not outraged. Outraged is were you write your senator, or punch someone in the face. I'm merely mak... : JediDwag
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    You mean Destructoid commenters? As far as I can see, the article only raises possibilities with regard t... : Felraiser
    • I'm actually one of those commenters (-PL-), what's awesome is that my comment is surprisingly similar to... : CyCo_PL
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  What the hell is it about this game that inspires these ridiculously enormous threads? : datoo
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    haters gotta hate. : Prozium
    • ^^^^ : Juno
  • Well, it is one of the highest selling games out right now so yeah, I'd expect some people talking about ... : AndyGoin
  • IW and Activision designed the game's feature list very aggressively, with major trade-offs involved. The... : Felraiser
  • war is hell : spiderfill
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    sheep gotta be sheep : Mr. Goodwrench
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      Seriously. Why do people have to mindlessly defend their purchases? : CyCo_PL
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        IW IS RIGHT NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO RABBLE RABBLE : retarded talking dinosaur
        • lol Some people seem to think so. It's alright to be a fanboy, it's fun to genuinely get excited for ... : JediDwag
      • Yeah, how dare people voice their opinions. : Sapiens
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        So disagreeing with you equals mindless. Got it. : DinK
        • Well at least someone here knows what's up. : CyCo_PL
      • I did not even purchase this on PC but the licensing model has been around for decades. Everyone buys int... : ieGod
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    It's better than a political thread. : dmason
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      Ehh... on the one hand political threads might actually interest me because I don't care about the CoD ga... : datoo
      • Fair assessment. : dmason
  • It's the same thing as the Quake threads of yore. : ventro
  • Popularity? : Mad Brahmin Disease
  • collapse button is your friend : X-GOUKI
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  How do you know they were actual finished modes and not simply there to alleviate the amount of downloadi... : synapse19
  • The article said they were playable, so I'm assuming there completed to a state where they are playable. ... : JediDwag
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  vote with your wallets guys : FrayLo
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    I did. And I'm enjoying every second I play it. : Tripps
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      same here. loving the game on 360. tired of the 'discussion' threads. okay, be outraged. but just be ... : FrayLo
      • Feel free not to read it, or not to post if you don't want to. I'm primarily discussing the PC version... : JediDwag
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    I will most likely buy every single piece of content that comes out for this game. : d3tached
    • Exactly. This is why they can get away with this. As long as people keep proving how much they will spe... : JediDwag
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    i did. AC2 was much more worth the money : retarded talking dinosaur
    • asheron's call 2 : deject
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  stupid microsoft put an office trial on my new netbook. Fuck them for putting content on the disk that is... : razorblade79
  • actually I hate that alot, just more pre-installed junk on peoples computers : johnlocks
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    Aren't you clever. Making a comparison that isn't relevant at all. "I just downloaded a demo for this... : JediDwag
    • you got the "dlc" for free on the disc, you need to pay to play. sounds like any other similar business m... : razorblade79
• modernwarfail2.com fucking lol. : chazums
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  sounds to me like they're just new PLAYLISTS rather than new maps. They've been able to just turn this on... : freakord
  • I've never seen console style "playlists" before because I am a PC gamer, so I wouldn't know what they ar... : JediDwag
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  Yeah HL1 had enemies on the disk that didn't make the full game. I still think they're waiting to fuck u... : kingdepork
  • Are the hidden enemies anything interesting? I remember a dragon (or a dragon-like creature) being a h... : Maddog_Delphi97
  • Because an un-used enemy in a game is very similar to 4+ finished to a playable state game modes. I thin... : JediDwag