Evening Reading: Faylure Averted

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  They should start charging people for ammo. : MagicWishMonkey
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    lol : cack
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      Ten cents per clip, I bet they would make a ton of money and no one would complain. : MagicWishMonkey
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        Maybe as a discount, they can let us run around trying to find reusable bullets. : cack
        • It would be like free money!!! : MagicWishMonkey
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          Also.. scavenge them from the opposing enemy and on harder difficulties if you're really desperate you ca... : K1Bond007
          • Haha, that would fuck up shit so badly. : enyakk
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        Maybe a discount if you buy in 1000 clip packs. : JediDwag
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          or pay a monthly fee for unlimited ammo : barichnikov
          • lol Yeah, we'll turn this into combat arms yet... : JediDwag
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    There was a game during the 90's called PBTerm that did charge for ammo/grenades. It was more to support... : bashildy@speakeasy.net
    • Damn its stats page is still up. 842 games played, 505 splatted players, 330 times splatted. It'd be sc... : bashildy@speakeasy.net
  • Wait for steam weekend deals. 50% off on all ammo purchases and if you preorder the ammo now, you get a ... : mobab
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  I don't mind a company trying to make money off a good product. : Scotty22
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    I mind them including stuff in the disc and then charging to unlock it. lol. It's the same problem I h... : mlev
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      Yeah, I agree. Day 1 DLC is not right. If you can include it on the disk, it should be included. : JediDwag
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        So you would have been happier if they deleted it off the disk and made you download a few gigs because..... : factor27
        • A new game mode most certainly is a few gigs. A few being like .4 gigs, if even that much. If they're... : JediDwag
        • Your missing the point : ShadowRam
  • But can you justify what they're doing to PC gamers? They lock them into their platform and don't allow ... : JediDwag
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    Why do people always defend this kind of thing as if it is in any way sweet? Devil's advocate? I don't ge... : SockMonkeh
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      I don't know the business model has shifted slightly. It's not like it used to be because of easy access ... : Scotty22
      • You don't understand, this is not downloadable content. It's a downloadable unlock for something they alr... : Zek
  • You don't care in which way they try to make their money? : TrptJim
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  do you know that these modes were for dlc or are you just guessing? : pandastrong
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    Just guessing. But finished multi-player modes on the disk that simply aren't included? Ones that can b... : JediDwag
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      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=21432967#itemanchor_21432967 : pandastrong
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        What's your point? Are you saying they're going to unlock these modes as a free gift later? Meethinks n... : JediDwag
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          My point is you don't know what their plans are. So jumping to conclusions is stupid. : pandastrong
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            I'm allowed to make my own opinion based on the facts, thank you very much. You on the other hand, can have your dissenting opinion.
            
            I present the article and my opinion on what this means. If you disagree, feel free to state that.
            
            I never claimed this was the official word, and I even stated that I was simply guessing.

            Nov 18, 2009 6:48pm PST
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            I'm allowed to make my own opinion based on the facts, thank you very much. You on the other hand, can h... : JediDwag
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              I did disagree, and stated it, and you came back with "What's your point?" : pandastrong
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                I'm sorry, my mistake completely. I didn't see your comment down the page, I just saw the OP and tho... : JediDwag
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                  You wish they hadn't put them in a build that could only be accessed if the console was hacked? I'm not ... : r_picmip 5
                  • HOT COFFEE'D : YerMothah
                  • What are the two main things the consumers wanted? A console and dedicated servers. Is anyone surprised... : JediDwag
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    there on disc : stgdz
    • Yeah, right there : zebosausamite
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      so was hot coffee. : Klebold
      • I looked up the article. I was right, the developer needs to disclose all hidden or unfinished content t... : JediDwag
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  So what? This probably means it'll be unlocked a lot sooner then if they had to go back and actually deve... : freakynipples69
  • so what is it obviously could have been included in the launch release : peat
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    But making you pay for content you already have physically in your possession? That's a dick move. : JediDwag
    • its a dick move if it happens, but no one knows yet. : pandastrong
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      Says who? Who determines where the game ends and the extras begin? I'm guessing the people developing th... : KxRook
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        I'm self entitled because I purchase a disc with stuff on it and then i access that stuff? : mlev
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          No, that content wasn't part of the purchase price, your license at POS doesn't allow you access to it. ... : KxRook
          • I think it's more of an issue because it is included, and it is accessible, but you have to hack your gam... : JediDwag
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        Yes, it's their decision as to what goes on the disk. Once it's on the disk, and it's in the consumers h... : JediDwag
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          Yes, it's their decision as to what goes on the disk. Once it's on the disk, and it's in the consumers ha... : KxRook
          • I didn't buy this game, and I have no intention of doing so. I'm just arguing that the PC version of thi... : JediDwag
          • To be really fair, you don't agree to the terms of the license until after you've made the purchase. : ieGod
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            It blows my mind your actually trying to justify this. : technotica
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              It blows my mind that you have a problem understanding this simple concept. You're paying for the game... : uncleanmonkey
              • The whole "I should be able to use what's on the disc I bought how I want" thing can only go so far. Doe... : DinK
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                wtf is wrong with you ppl. This is pure speculation that it's DLC however, if IW finished DLC content and... : echoinggreen
                • You don't have to take it up the ass, you can just not buy it. This is their delivery model, and it's the... : ieGod
              • Kinda like the L4D DLC that allowed you to play split-screen on PC. What, that's right. People found a ... : JediDwag
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          I bet you've never dealt with professional software licensing. You only get access to the data on the ... : dedgecko
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            I understand how a software licence works. I have read a complete EULA at some point in my life, and I r... : JediDwag
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              "If you can access it via the console, is it really considered not included in the game just because they... : r_picmip 5
              • Only because IW assumed people were too dumb to find it. I'm sure the "hackers" didn't create a console,... : JediDwag
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      Welcome to the world of IT where this has been common practice for many years. Licensing things as optio... : spazzium
      • True, that has been done with large mass licensed corporate software, but I think that is apples to orang... : JediDwag
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  all this teeth gnashing means nothing. Unless people don't buy it, their complaints are irrelevant. : edgewise
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    PC gamers can play it now, and don't need to pay for it. I certainly hope none of them buy it. Console ... : JediDwag
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      soon to be N U K E D : imcompa
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        whoops, thought you were talking about pirating the game, not unlocking the DLC through console. my bad. : imcompa
        • Yeah... :-) Are they going to find a way to stop people that stole the game? That's good. As long a... : JediDwag
  • I won't buy edgewise, I'll stand the moral ground. Seriously, I hated the first one, not going to buy th : skitzo
  • Yes, but you get rich off of teeth gnashing don't you? : mechanicalgrape
• ONLINE MONETIZATION MODEL'D : mnsnota
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  You know, at some point the game publisher's will just not even bother making a PC version of their games... : u sir name
  • It is funny. I have been hearing PC gaming is dead for 10 years. I still have about 10 triple AAA titles... : erebus
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    Top tier game. Yes. I'm sure the xbox and playstation versions of the game are fantastic and deserve al... : JediDwag
    • HAha, thats the best comic ever! : bundy
    • that picture really does sum it all up : yacoub35
  • I don't think so. It's just some of the game industry has found the popcorn movie model, and those studio... : thebigbeefsandwich
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    The wii is still outselling the xbox 360 and the PS3, and it's nearly outselling the two combined. But I... : JediDwag
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      I think the 360 and the PS3 outsell the Wii in games, even though the Wii outsells in hardware : OrkO
      • I agree. Publishers shouldn't make decisions about which platform to program for based on certain sales ... : JediDwag
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    If they would just add mouse + keyboard support for the console, I probably wouldn't play pc games anymor... : Sole.exe
    • That'd be cool, but there are other reasons I prefer PC. I like that when I bought Borderlands I was a... : JediDwag
  • Thats why SC2 is PC only im sure... : technotica
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  I don't see why you think these are finished or balanced game play modes instead of game play modes that ... : MrBig0
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    Thank God for Hot Coffee. Mmmm..... Didn't the ESRB pass rules about all content on disk after that f... : JediDwag
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      What if that would have cost IW additional development time, which is incredibly valuable given their pro... : dedgecko
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        I think especially when a dev studio is rushing is when things like that are likely to be cut for the fin... : MrBig0
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          Did they later charge you for that content? Could you access it in a playable state via a couple simple ... : JediDwag
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            No, they did not release the content later and you could not play the content in a cohesive narrative. T... : MrBig0
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              Nobody is flipping a shit, I'm just trying to make a distinction between what this is, and what unfinishe... : JediDwag
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                No, I'd really rather they didn't charge for content if it's completed and on the disc. I think they're p... : MrBig0
                • And that's all I'm trying to say. Apparently disc is for a CD or DVD type disc that you burn content t... : JediDwag
      • My argument is against them putting finished content on the disk then charging for it later down the road... : JediDwag
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    Thats true, but if it is as some say. An actual finished product, I think its a really bad move charging ... : technotica
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      its just dirty, plain and simple. It serves no purpose but to fill the money hats. In long term it could ... : technotica
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        You obviously don't see the value in the time and effort to make content. On the face of it an argum... : r_picmip 5
        • It's the removal of the free content on PC that really irks me. By removing dedicated servers, they lock... : JediDwag
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  capcom did it with Resident Evil 5 on ps3 too : silversurfer
  • And Street Fighter 4. There's no way that those extra costumes are 30kb/each or whatever size the downlo... : CyCo_PL
  • Ugh, yeah. That was dumb too. : JediDwag
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  I can't wait until physical distribution goes away so people can stop crying about DLC like this. If you ... : veras
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    ...and be excluded from the online multiplayer population playing those modes. It's just like not buying... : the archvile
    • wrong - you just can't play the playlists that are for the new maps. Eventually the map packs get releas... : dedgecko
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      I was referring to the base game then realized after I posted it could be interpreted as the DLC. What I ... : veras
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        Not talking console version. PC version. You can play this content now if you hack your legitimate copy... : JediDwag
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          YOU ARE COMPLETELY SPECULATING! And to cry about it the way you are is fucking stupid. If anything, t... : dedgecko
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            Yes, I am completely speculating. Thank you for understanding me. I am not crying about anything. I ... : JediDwag
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              If the game were out and they removed those things (ded servers, mods), that would be wrong. The fact is ... : MrBig0
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                But hackers were able to enable these supposedly not included features with what I'm assuming was minor t... : JediDwag
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                  Well I guess they thought that those things would hurt the smooth workings of their 'seamless online expe... : MrBig0
                  • Yeah. I guess we'll have to gauge their intentions are going forward, because we don't know for sure wha... : JediDwag
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              They have every right to sell their maps, but removing the competition of free user created maps by remov : dedgecko
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                "But, if everyone had just played to play like everyone on the consoles, aside from the modded controller... : JediDwag
                • *in the FUTURE publishers will perhaps learn from IWs mistakes. Sorry about that. : JediDwag
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                  Have you played the games at all? If not, you should rent them. They're pretty good! : MrBig0
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                    I do own COD2, and I have a friends copy of COD4 when he wasn't using it. I have seen videos of MW2, and... : JediDwag
                    • Have PLAYED a friends copy of COD4... : JediDwag
                    • No, you're flame-baiting. MW2 PC is everything on the console + kb/mouse, which makes it just perfect ... : dedgecko
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        Yeah but you have to admit... it's a dick move. The fact that the content is already on the disc shows t... : CyCo_PL
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          It is not a dick move if they never promised it in the game and the budget for it was not part of the ori... : Evil Benius
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            Yeah, but developers generally don't list everything that's going to be in the game before it's released,... : CyCo_PL
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              The thing is they do not even need to make an excuse. If the game does not have enough value to someone t... : Evil Benius
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                Well, you need to chill out. And not everybody who voices complaints or concerns about video games or th... : CyCo_PL
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                  Exactly, and people need to start calling them on their shady practices before it gets worse. http://w... : JediDwag
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                    Yea, that's an issue that DOES fucking suck. I just payed $79.09 after taxes for Assassin's Creed 2 in Ca... : MrBig0
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                      And as long as they get away with it, it's only going to get worse. I'm not tying to offend anyone, or... : JediDwag
                      • Thing is, I think most of the primary console gamers don't have the same perspective as oldschool PC game... : CyCo_PL
              • Why let them piss you off? Just as they can choose not to buy what pisses them off, you can easily choos... : AndyGoin
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          where does it say the content is finished? playable =/= finished : MrBig0
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            Hence the last sentence of what I posted. : CyCo_PL
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              What I said isn't at all what you implied in the last sentence of your post. : MrBig0
              • When I said "accidentally left in the game", I meant unfinished. Generally because I don't think devs ac... : CyCo_PL
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      you know there are always Halo 3 multiplayer playlists that require 0 DLC right? : derelict515
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        The problem with that is they removed those playlists that were playable before from people who had them ... : phobium
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          Seriously, I had all the access when the game first came out, I go back to play it about a year later and... : phobium
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            Yeah it's pretty lame. I went back to play it with some guest accounts. Was only able to play FFA or Te... : excitebike111
            • on the other hand the first DLC packs were eventually made free so it's not all bad : derelict515
  • OR just be that much more thankful that a company like Valve exists. : deathofrats
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  Yeah I just started playing CoD:WaW (got it with my Xbox and never really touched it) and it's awesome, b... : CyCo_PL
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    Really? you get kicked? that sounds like a whole lotta bullshit to me. : gibolas1234
    • Well it's because the server is rotating to a map I don't have. And since there are so many map packs, t... : CyCo_PL
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    i got WaW from gamefly and found this to be the case too. it sucks, but that's what's happening to games... : FrayLo
    • This is the way it was in CoD4, but without the map pack it became increasingly hard to find a decent gam... : gibolas1234
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  They have already unlocked two modes (for free). It was one of the first things they did after release. : LoioshDwaggie
  • Really? Cool. I was not aware. : JediDwag
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  hey look more troll bait, and this was already posted yesterday. www.moderwarfail2.com all the goo... : dedgecko
  • If this was already posted I apologize. I didn't see it. I just found this article recently and thought... : JediDwag
• I called all of these modes on SA a few months back, when I was thinking that the game had more potential... : Amnesty_intl2
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  I see you and Destructoid have your jump to conclusions mats out. : Fred Garvin
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    Speculation is meant for discussion. Feel free to not participate. : JediDwag
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      Your root post was pretty sensationalistic and inflammatory... : MrBig0
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        I've never had a big thread on the shack before. So yeah it probably was a little... I won't deny it. ... : JediDwag
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          You took one fact (some game modes were found) and then imagined a reason for it being there that would o... : deveus1
          • He's outraged, isn't he? : AndyGoin
          • I'm not outraged. Outraged is were you write your senator, or punch someone in the face. I'm merely mak... : JediDwag
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    You mean Destructoid commenters? As far as I can see, the article only raises possibilities with regard t... : Felraiser
    • I'm actually one of those commenters (-PL-), what's awesome is that my comment is surprisingly similar to... : CyCo_PL
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  What the hell is it about this game that inspires these ridiculously enormous threads? : datoo
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    haters gotta hate. : Prozium
    • ^^^^ : Juno
  • Well, it is one of the highest selling games out right now so yeah, I'd expect some people talking about ... : AndyGoin
  • IW and Activision designed the game's feature list very aggressively, with major trade-offs involved. The... : Felraiser
  • war is hell : spiderfill
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    sheep gotta be sheep : Mr. Goodwrench
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      Seriously. Why do people have to mindlessly defend their purchases? : CyCo_PL
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        IW IS RIGHT NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO RABBLE RABBLE : retarded talking dinosaur
        • lol Some people seem to think so. It's alright to be a fanboy, it's fun to genuinely get excited for ... : JediDwag
      • Yeah, how dare people voice their opinions. : Sapiens
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        So disagreeing with you equals mindless. Got it. : DinK
        • Well at least someone here knows what's up. : CyCo_PL
      • I did not even purchase this on PC but the licensing model has been around for decades. Everyone buys int... : ieGod
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    It's better than a political thread. : dmason
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      Ehh... on the one hand political threads might actually interest me because I don't care about the CoD ga... : datoo
      • Fair assessment. : dmason
  • It's the same thing as the Quake threads of yore. : ventro
  • Popularity? : Mad Brahmin Disease
  • collapse button is your friend : X-GOUKI
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  How do you know they were actual finished modes and not simply there to alleviate the amount of downloadi... : synapse19
  • The article said they were playable, so I'm assuming there completed to a state where they are playable. ... : JediDwag
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  vote with your wallets guys : FrayLo
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    I did. And I'm enjoying every second I play it. : Tripps
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      same here. loving the game on 360. tired of the 'discussion' threads. okay, be outraged. but just be ... : FrayLo
      • Feel free not to read it, or not to post if you don't want to. I'm primarily discussing the PC version... : JediDwag
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    I will most likely buy every single piece of content that comes out for this game. : d3tached
    • Exactly. This is why they can get away with this. As long as people keep proving how much they will spe... : JediDwag
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    i did. AC2 was much more worth the money : retarded talking dinosaur
    • asheron's call 2 : deject
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  stupid microsoft put an office trial on my new netbook. Fuck them for putting content on the disk that is... : razorblade79
  • actually I hate that alot, just more pre-installed junk on peoples computers : johnlocks
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    Aren't you clever. Making a comparison that isn't relevant at all. "I just downloaded a demo for this... : JediDwag
    • you got the "dlc" for free on the disc, you need to pay to play. sounds like any other similar business m... : razorblade79
• modernwarfail2.com fucking lol. : chazums
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  sounds to me like they're just new PLAYLISTS rather than new maps. They've been able to just turn this on... : freakord
  • I've never seen console style "playlists" before because I am a PC gamer, so I wouldn't know what they ar... : JediDwag
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  Yeah HL1 had enemies on the disk that didn't make the full game. I still think they're waiting to fuck u... : kingdepork
  • Are the hidden enemies anything interesting? I remember a dragon (or a dragon-like creature) being a h... : Maddog_Delphi97
  • Because an un-used enemy in a game is very similar to 4+ finished to a playable state game modes. I thin... : JediDwag