ATI Radeon Announced

Considering ATI's track record is ANYONE considering waiting for this chip instead of a V5 or a Geforce?

ATI may have the most powerful card on the market, but I still won't buy it. They couldn't write drivers to save their lives. Same thing happened with the Rage Fury about 6-8 months ago. Awesome card, sucky drivers. The card STILL has sucky drivers.

I'm buying a GeForce after the GeForce2 or whatever it's called comes out, because hopefully the prices will drop and I can actually afford something more than my meager voodoo2. This thing is like an old man trying to run a marathon... Funny how Quake3 runs great but Battlezone 2, Allegiance, and USAF run like snot. 'Course, they didn't have Carmack programming for 'em... ;)

That's so true about the Voodoo5 by the way

My moron mate has allready pre-ordered he's v5, without (again) asking me about which is best - and wonders why I yell at him for being a silly fucker - he claims "nvidia suck" (having never owned a card) and then goes on to tell me how cool the v5 will be (having never read any previews except the original ones 3 months ago on product announcement)

these sort of people get 3dfx sales.


oh did i tell you about his idea of upgrading, so on a bh6 he bought a p3-600eb! - locked so it REQUIRES 133mhz fsb, specifically on a board that isnt designed for it - took me 2 days to convince him he wants the 550 or 600e, and 112mhz fsb, or a new board fricking moron

Excuse me everybody, but 3dfx was #1 at retail last year, and posted a $31 million dollar loss in Q4. Retail doesn't mean shit, except for press releases.

I'd just like to say that the days of aliased porn are almost behind us brothers :)

This card does vertex skinning for christs sake! I don't know what it is, but it's gotta make cum look translucent as it's flying onto a chick's face.

dammit i'm pissed!!
i'm not on the stats no more!!!!

Looks nice... If they can deliver it at a decent price I might be interested.

BTW, Q3 can use 3 or 4 passes. Base texture, light map, shader, and bullet/explosion marks. That's four passes! Plus I wouldn't be surprised if some shader effects take more than one pass each.

Matrox just announced a new .18 micron chip too!

VE had this link: http://www.matroxusers.com/

I always wanted dual-head... :)

Specifications of X-Box and PlayStation 2
X-Box PlayStation 2
Polygon Performance 300M/sec (untextured) 66M/sec
Sustained Polygon Performance
(full features) 100+ M/sec (textured and lit) 20M/sec
Micropolygons/Particles
per sec 300M / sec Not supported
Particle Performance 300M/sec 150M/sec
Simultaneous Textures 4 1
Pixel Fill Rate
- No Texture 4.8G/s (anti aliased) 2.4G/s
Pixel Fill Rate
- 1 Texture 4.8G/s (anti aliased) 1.2G/s
Pixel Fill Rate
- 2 Textures 4.8G/s (anti aliased) 0.6G/s

feh, chart didn't come out very well: http://www.firingsquad.com/features/gdc2000/xbox/page3.asp

FuckinA! Finally an alternative to NVIDIA + they have Linux support!!! Awesome. I'll dump this GeForce as soon as I get my hands on this one. Unless NVIDIA starts being more open on Linux front, I ain't gonna buy another of their cards.

I'd hope you'd know your own age... and that you already own yourself.

Boogieman

Okay, so the ATI card's specs look impressive, as do the NV15s, but what I really want to know is...how pretty is the box going to be???

Bah, fucked up sig means its bedtime...

*hawkeye*

Free Market Economy is a freaking beautiful thing!

Watch those prices drop...wee...

*hawkeye*]g]b
(time to purge this TNT1 from my system.)

Tommorow (Wed) we are going to see some NV15 benchies....
Then some real flame warage is gonna bust loose on 'da shack. :)
"It's fucking beautifull man!" from the movie 'Platoon'

so how much will this bastard cost?
128mb DDR?
more than a v6?

Hehe, I love competition! :)

ATI is nice, but ... there's this thing called the GeForce2 GTS (NV15). ;)

Be sure to hang out at 3DGPU.com on Wednesday 9 a.m. EST time for the Good Stuff™ *cough* preview.

Matt Burris
http://www.3dgpu.com

Man this board looks sweet on paper. Sure hope later on they can compare it to the NV15/NV20 to see which one gets my hard-earned money.

mofo.

Once again, from FS: "The Playstation 2's polygon performance, at 66M/second is already very impressive. But Microsoft is now saying we should expect to see the X-Box do as many as 300 M polys per second, with a sustained rate of over 100 million a second. *Cough* Pardon us for being skeptical, but this is many times over and above what NVIDIA's current hardware is capable of.

Will this look as good as a Dreamcast in a comparable game, IE Q3A or HL? PS2?

Does the DC or PS2 support AA, since it's limited to 640x480?

ATI claims 30 million polygons per second with Radeon 256. How many can the DC or the PS2 pull?

I just wanna know how much ass the computer could be whoopin' (or not).

Boogieman

This, my fellow Shackers, is good news.

Thanks (ATi)

Boogieman

HDTV, DVD, HyperZ ... yadda yadda. The only feature that really caught my eye was onboard keyframe interpolation. Why hasn't anyone else done this before? (Or have they?)

nVidia is shitting their pants about this card, I can guarantee it. Why Veggie? you ask. Okay, here's why. Where is the money in today's graphics market? Is it in retail or OEMs? "OEMs" you all say, and you are correct. Now, which company is the leading supplier of OEM parts? "ATI" you all say, and you are correct again. Look at those numbers for this card! Those aren't some half-ass, "we'll be almost as good" numbers, those are "fuck nVidia, go for the throat numbers," and with MAXX technology, they can throw another chip on that bad mofo and kick the shit out of any of the cards coming out in the next few months. Yes, ATI has had problems with drivers in the past, but that doesn't change the fact that they're number one in OEMs because of their ability to deliver high quantity, reasonably good parts on time. OEMs like that, and if they can achieve the same situation with this card, every OEM from Dell to Compaq is gonna put them in their boxes. We'll see what nVidia has up their sleeve tomorrow, but it's gonna be a hell of a fight. Also, I think that after seeing these specs we can count 3dfx out of this fight, and maybe for good.

.... methinks the VD5 is DOA unless they can drop the price in a hurry......

Problem for 3dfx is they CANNOT afford to have another $ losing card (i.e. VD3) without having severe impacts on its ability to compete in the future.

When computing power doubles every 2 years or so, and 3d technology is moving even faster, NO company can afford to miss its product cycle against its compeditors and stay on top.

btw- There is no Kaiser Sozza and there is no VD4. Think about it ;)

yep, 3dfx is fuxored or however the kids these days say it.

It's too bad that these drivers are probably about as good as they are going to get.

Sure, they may squeeze out a few more FPS, but anyone who has owned an ATI card can tell you that they have some of the buggiest drivers out there. I've owned two ATI cards, and each one had MAJOR driver problems. Most games (like anything running OGL or Direct 3d) had major texture corruption at best or would crash at worst. ATI would deny there was a problem, then eventually admit that they had shitty drivers and would release a new beta driver which would fix one game while breaking another.

And as for ATI keeping promises, go do some research on what happenned with the Rage Fury and the Fury Pro. The Fury was several months late, and downclocked IIRC. The people who were promised driver support for video/tv in had to wait several months before they could use that feature, and the only reason they had to wait only several months was because a couple of guys hacked together their own driver set for the card. ATI's response was to basically try and shut down their website.

IMO, I wouldn't get too excited about this card until it's actually out (I would be really surprised if they make it out on time). Even then, I would really do ALOT of research on this card before I considered buying it. I would definetely check out sites like rageunderground.com to see if ATI has finally gotten their driver act together.

I'm not holding my breath though.

You know, even if the performace does end up lacking in the end, this could be the BEST thing to happen in the industry. ATI owns the OEM market. Most of the computers out there have ATI chips in them. Now they have this new chip that supports all kinds of cool shit like T&L. With a butload of new computers being sold with Radeon chips, that gives game developers even more incentive to support these features, and that will benifit people who own faster cards that support them.

Shit, this thing supports FSAA too!

BAKE ME AN ALL-IN-WONDER RADEON MAXX!!!

A Radeon 256 Maxx might be an awesome card...

the more i see, the more i think ATI will overtake 3dfx.

but can they overtake nVidia? THIS SUMMER IS GOING TO ROCK!!!!!

I HAVE A GOOD JOB AND MONEY TO SPEND ON MY COMPUTER! BUST IT UP IN nVIDIA'S HIZOUSE, ATI!!

Good work you biased whore Steve.... Im assuming that 56 fps was in 32 bit color?

V5 is pulling ~40 fps at that res/color depth.
Geforce DDR is pulling ~33 fps at that res/color depth.

Just gotta wait and see what the NV15 has in store.

Oh and if they can get this card out in June (vs August-ish) then they just might have a contendah! Assuming their drivers dont lick a dogs nuts...