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  I've seen all of 2 of the top 10 so I guess I'm culturally irreverent as fuck : Horn
  • Looking through the rest, I'm probably a solid 22-23 out of 30. Some great picks I never thought they'd p : Deathlove
• Pretty good list but i wouldn't put the Sopranos as number 2. Also Freaks and Geeks is really good so i r... : Dschinghis Khan
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  I'm going to be that guy but Veronica Mars should have been much higher as S2 was very questionable and S... : ghost in my shell
  • Weird, my browser timed out when I hit post, and my comment didn't show up for a while so I retyped my co... : ghost in my shell
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  I'm surprised Veronica Mars is on the list at all. Yes S1 was amazing, but S2 and S3 really drag down the... : ghost in my shell
  • S1 was amazing, S2 was slightly less so, S3 was decent enough for getting fucked with by the network, but... : Deathlove
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    S2 was also amazing. S3 was just "good". : retarded talking dinosaur
    • If you don't agree, rewatch the series starting with S1. It's very rewatchable, and I once thought as you... : retarded talking dinosaur
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  THE WIRE IS SO FREAKIN GOOD I JUST WANT TO EAT IT UP AND BREATHE IT AND SWEAT IT OUT AND DRINK THAT SWEAT... : kgargs
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    Oh wow, can't believe #14 futurama. I loved the show and watched the heck of it but didn't know it was s : kgargs
    • Generally accepted by the Onion AV Club. : Duffman8369
  • And I was wondering where dexter was.. that show's first two seasons were amazingly good #24 : kgargs
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    i thought so too, but after watching through the entire thing a second time. i'm gonna have to say 1>2>3>... : Dschinghis Khan
    • hehehe : RogerDandy
  • Nobody likes season 2 at first but it's better in retrospect once the pieces all fall together and it doe : Zek
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  Nice! I was looking for some more shows to check out! : cookblaze
  • Also I LOVE Friday Night Lights : cookblaze
• Why is Australia's Next Top Model not on there? : thekidd
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  Freaks and Geeks is way over-rated. : ra1n
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    You're way over-rated! : Albemuth
    • I highly doubt that's the case around here :D : ra1n
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    ra1n, impressively enough, this is your worst post. : TShandy
    • I'm not even near done. : ra1n
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    A lot of the shows on that terrible excuse for a list are way over rated. : thetangent
    • Especially given that it's 30 shows in one decade, it's a pretty solid list- if anything, it's over inclu... : TShandy
  • It's a list from this decade, I'm not surprised that's on there. : brickmatt
• Best decade of television ever. Some amazing shows in that list. : edgewise
• Didn't know anything about Freaks and Geeks. I need to see that now. : Bull
• Seen pieces of 3 (arrested development),11(The Office, US) and the movie from #17 (Firefly) : sukabljat
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  no sons of anarchy in the top 30? i think they missed something. : Enraged Pineapple
  • Oh man, especially after this latest episode. : hatelull
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  We're missing It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia : kgargs
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    Also, Hung is pretty freakin good imo. : kgargs
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      And no True Blood ? This list is shit now : kgargs
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        True Blood is terrible. : Modica Sol Solis
        • ^^^^^ : bolneze
        • It really does have it's horrible moments, and with each one I remember it's source is like a fantasy wom... : pharom
      • I would rather see Entourage on such a list over True Blood, but I do watch and enjoy both : pharom
    • Hung, top 30 of the decade, no way... it never did anything and i prob laughed 3x the whole season : dignan
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    I know, and no Rome, and The Sopranos is #2. : Dschinghis Khan
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      Rome is a miniseries like Band of Brothers, thus it doesn't count, right? : Yanks
      • rome was a regular series, it had two seasons : dirge23
    • Rome is in my top 5. : givemesnacks
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  Hahaha Tim and Eric. This list is validated. : mechanicalgrape
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    Funny; to me that does exactly the opposite. : Conan
    • Though I have to say including venture brothers goes a long way towards redeeming it. : Conan
  • I am so torn on Tim and Eric, I see the humor, I get the artistry and whit, but I just don't personally e... : pharom
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  No fucking Jack Bauer? : fsck
  • Huge gaping hole from that list imo : rosewood
  • this is a list of "best," not "corniest" or "most hamhanded" or "predictable" : rgoer
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    This is like complaining that CSI isn't on the list. : DapperDan
    • this list is a failure, it doesn't even mention Murder, She Wrote : rgoer
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    yeah 24 does not deserve to be there. : Mad Brahmin Disease
    • and I loved that series (Jack Bauer is dead btw). : Mad Brahmin Disease
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  I can't agree with that at all. I watched most of the first season and nothing about it grabbed me. A lot... : Dynotaku
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    The first season is awesome. It's the first four episodes you have to get through, since they throw so ma... : Modica Sol Solis
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      For once, this guy is right. The show overloads you with information at the beginning. : kgargs
      • haha, The Wire will bring Shacknews together : Deathlove
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    Yeah I tried to watch the first couple and it was terrible. : bolneze
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      Omg you have to watch at least the first season before you say that. : Hiro
      • Nah, you have to just watch the first four episodes. As soon as you meet Omar, that's when things really ... : Modica Sol Solis
• Makes me feel like I have a lot of catching up to do. Buuuut you can't stream the first season of almo... : Johnny Law
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  Deathlove, from what you have recommended on the Shack I have a strong sense that you would love Freaks a... : tashtego
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    Yeah, I know! Just one of those shows that's always like "Well I'll get to it" and I never do. : Deathlove
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      Oh and I'm 50 of 55 minutes through Sons of Anarchy from this week and holllllllllllllllllllllllllllly sh... : Deathlove
      • jesus christ best those last five minutes Best show on TV, going away. : Deathlove
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  #3 should be #1 : pandastrong
  • exactly : naabster
  • ^^^^^^^^ : ieGod
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  I haven't seen most of the top 10. The Wire The Sopranos Mad Men Breaking Bad Deadwood The Shie... : ThomW
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    You never saw deadwood? cocksucker ! : gmd
    • here just watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpsKKPuTYCI : gmd
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      I'm too cheap to get HBO. : ThomW
      • Netflix. : Deathlove
  • Those are the ones you haven't seen? Good god, man, you have a lot of catching up to do. Start with Deadw... : Modica Sol Solis
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  i guess i was the only one that watched carnivale and rome? they should both be on there. and how is big ... : brainchild420
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    I think Carnivale would've made it if it had gotten the third season, but as it was, it was just a giant ... : Deathlove
    • i guess. sometimes i wake up finding myself in tears. i know that a lack of closure in this show is why. ... : brainchild420
• TWW @ #30 is complete bullshit. : rosewood
• I bet BSG would have ranked higher if it ended better =( : pharom
• That list is bullshit - Curb Your Enthusiasm should be way higher. And no 24 or Its Always Sunny?! : bolneze
• fuck lists that start at #1 : peat
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  Buffy? Really? I don't understand why anyone ever liked that show. : deject
  • my sister liked it a lot. I only remember every day it aired there were huge discussions because nobody e... : naabster
  • i guess thats how cult following shows go normally? : pharom
  • The character interactions more than anything else are what I loved about that show. : thetangent
  • it was a great show at least until the 5th season or so. angel was great too : peat
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  Not having Six Feet Under in #1 or 2 pretty much makes this list bullshit. : Vincent Grayson
  • Just for the last 10 minutes of the final episode that show should be in the top 5. The best finale I've ... : pieman
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  no trailer park boys or dog bites man!!?? : wetard
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    hey check it out it's the only other dude that watched dog bites man : Deathlove
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      lol : wetard
      • AD Miles! Zach Galifinakis! Matt Walsh! COME ON! : Deathlove
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  I have not seen 1\4\5\7 :( : aggressor
  • Oh, there are 2 other pages. Fuck. : aggressor
• <3 The Wire. : atom519
• Thats a great list. : mankeroo
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  Boy Dexter is awfully low on that list, don't agree with that at all given it's one of the best shows I'v... : avatar_58
  • As is Curb Your Enthusiasm. : Mad Brahmin Disease
• Good list, I think Dexter should be higher though. Glad to see Venture Brothers on there too. I do have... : Begawkiness
• Oh great there goes my freaking wallet. : ieGod
• Holy cow #20. YES. hahaha : dmason
• i think the top 10 is damn near perfect save for maybe freaks and geeks and the shield. : dromo5
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  You have to rent Freaks and Geeks. I think it lasted one or 2 seasons, so it's not too long. It's reall... : FormerHPB
  • just one season, 18 episodes I think : peat
  • What sucks is the DVD set is fucking expensive for one season. : dmason
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  Where's House??? Other than that, this list is pretty good. BSG would be my #1 followed by Breaking Bad... : Edges
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    House is the only show not on the list that should be. : Modica Sol Solis
    • Yea pretty much. : mrseldowski
• Pretty good list. Happy to see Friday Night Lights getting to love it deserves. : slax0r
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  Dexter needs to be higher. House belongs on that list somewhere. If fucking BSG can be on that list despi... : retarded talking dinosaur
  • Also: It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia belongs. : retarded talking dinosaur
  • this list sucks if house is not on there. some of the best tv i've ever seen (and i've seen 9 out of 10 o... : gokart.
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  I'm a little surprised to not see CSI: Las Vegas anywhere on there. It's old hat now, but when it first c... : mysled
  • this isnt about popularity as much as quality. Veronica Mars, for instance, was NEVER popular. : retarded talking dinosaur
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  Top Gear isn't on the list so its obviously bullshit : retardhumper
  • the humper of retards has a valid point : DapperDan
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  Where is "It's Always Sunny in Philidelphia". That should easily be on the list. : mrwolf710
  • that would be true if it were genuinely funny, and not slapstick 12-year-old funny. : brainchild420
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  Why are there so many fucking cop dramas in this list? FUCK I hate cop dramas. >:( : thetangent
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    Futurama, BSG, and Firefly should all be in the top ten - and how is South Park not on this list!? : thetangent
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      The same reason Buffy shouldn't, it is a 90s show. : steauengeglase
      • 1997-2003, granted the later seasons were nowhere near as good as the first 4 : peat
      • A 90's show....that's been running for this entire decade! : thetangent
  • Same. : dmason
  • The Wire is not a cop drama. : Mad Brahmin Disease
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  Lost should not be top 10... : dignan
  • swap it with venture bros. : pyide
  • Of course it should. Lost has ben one of the most epic and well written (if not well acted) shows on tele... : Modica Sol Solis
  • Yes. Yes it should be top 10. Lost is fantastic. : retarded talking dinosaur
  • None of those shows listed as top 10 should be... : thetangent
• WTF where is The Girls Next Door?? : atom519
• Most of those are fucking fantastic and bravo for no Simpsons but where the fuck is Southpark? : abrasion
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  Six Feet Under should be way higher. : jvox
  • it would be #1 for me : kevp
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  I've seen 3 out of all 30. They left out Roswell and Skins, and put some dumb puppet show in there. : GoodBoy
  • Roswell?! bwahahaha : Mad Brahmin Disease
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  no farscape, bsg and dexter is too low :( : jayares
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    BGS turned into crap, given the resolution they're lucky it's on there at all. No Farscape sucks. : brickmatt
    • did someone reply to my original post? sounds like a gust of data. : jayares

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  alexander keiths : n0v4
  • This post and the Moosehead sign really threw me for a second. : Bob_Loblaw
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  need more pictures to decide : c0bra
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    I've been to that beer store. If you name it, there is reasonable odds they have it. : Arcanum
    • In that case: get Avery Dugana and let me know how it is, and get every Deschutes Abyss in the store and ... : c0bra
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    So far: http://www.shackpics.com/files/iPhoneUpload_dx23ho55t37ub8axl5zp.jpg http://www.shackpics.com/fil... : askedrelic
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      Toss the Chimay, get Westvleteren if it's there. If not, Rochefort 8 or 10. : c0bra
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        Have you ever seen Westvleteren in a store before? That would be an incredible find down here. For ab... : zohar79
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          No but we get precisely jack shit as far as good beers go in this area so I just assume people in far off... : c0bra
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            Pretty sure they dont sell it in stores at all in the US. Gotta buy it overseas. : ant_hillbilly
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              well crap! : c0bra
              • They don't even have a distributor, to the best of my knowledge. They only sell to people who drive up to... : zohar79
    • dirty things is supposed to make good stuff. I've only had a single beer though : hamachi
    • Good call on the Sam Smiths. If they have any of their Russian Imperial Stout you should grab that too : fishbone
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  Go get you some doppelbocks. Either Sam Adams double bock, or one of the German ones. There's one Ameri... : Arcanum
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    My favorite is Ettaler Curator. : zohar79
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      Is that a doppelbock? : c0bra
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        http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/2432/27792 : zohar79
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          a simple "yes" would have sufficed : c0bra
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            I'm not trying to be an ass. Figured you'd go look it up anyway. I'm a librarian, and used to providing i... : zohar79
            • ha, I know. I'm just very very lazy. : c0bra
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      Nice, I'll have to try that one. The first I had was Sam Adams, which was surprisingly decent I thought.... : Arcanum
      • The Sam Adams: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/35/47785 : Arcanum
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        The Ettaler is like liquid bread, and hides its alcohol almost too well. Aventinus is good stuff, but I t... : zohar79
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          I'll definitely have to look for it. Contrary to popular trend these days, I've found I prefer low hop b... : Arcanum
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            That being the case, I think you would like true Kolsch beers, if you haven't had any already. Also a goo... : zohar79
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              Nice, thanks. I have not had any of those (aside from a stout here and there), but will check them out. ... : Arcanum
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                I'm with you, though I do like hoppy beers with spicy dishes. Crisp carbonation and hops seems to cut thr... : zohar79
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                  I had Storm King Imperial Stout a while back. Too bitter. Even with food, by the time I get through hal... : Arcanum
                  • Ten Fidy + chocolate ice cream Thank me later ;) : zohar79
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                    Oh, and you should probably check out Saison Dupont. Balanced well between malt and hops, and some added ... : zohar79
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                      You're the man. Now I just have to get over to Beers of the World some time soon.... : Arcanum
                      • As soon as you can, purchase this book: http://www.amazon.com/Brewmasters-Table-Discovering-Pleasures-Rea... : zohar79
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    If you want something much lighter (and let's face it, almost anything is lighter than a doppelbock), and... : Arcanum
    • Looks good. I'll have to put this on the list. I particularly enjoyed Hopfen-Weisse, and Sierra Nevada Ke... : zohar79
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  Coors Light is only $18.99 : TreMetal
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    I'll sell my piss for 16.99. Better deal imo : rastafar1an
    • Don't tease me like that. : TreMetal
    • Depends on what you've been drinking. : zohar79
• Something from the refrigerator. : corey
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  Something by Southern Tier : Horn
  • I completely back this decision : phokz
  • the gemini is really good from them, also had one of their barleywines......mmmmmmmmm : ozfactor
• Smithwick's : Duffman8369
• Shiner Bock : WhatIsThisFor
• Whatever's on sale. : Haxim
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  The darkest one. : swampangel
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M670NkWKDk0 1:00 in : c0bra
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    http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/147/43491 : cpt_gloval
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      ogod now i want a bottle : cpt_gloval
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        cpt_gloval I am currently packing up some beer for a swap with some of the Homebrewtalk.com guys who hang... : c0bra
        • i dont have any homebrew handy :( : cpt_gloval
    • http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1141/10325 This is the best stuff you can get regularly around h... : swampangel
• What are you eating with it? : zohar79
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  Whats with all the crazy ass obscure beer? Start with tetleys, finish with asahi. : Klebold
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    Asahi? Really? What's the point of drinking a boring shitty Canadian lager? : DJ Clipdat
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      Sorry, just noticed you are in the UK - North America gets Asahi that's brewed in Canada. : DJ Clipdat
      • Really? thats a bum deal. : Klebold
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    Because he went to a fancy beer store full of obscure beers, probably for the purpose of trying something... : J4NUS
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      They actually carry the entire spectrum, from rich, obscure, almost wine-like beers to the common Budweis... : Arcanum
      • the bevmo around here has the budweiser crammed in the corner by the storage room. I was there once and ... : mikecyb
• Stone Double Bastard and Session Black : DJ Clipdat
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  North Coast Old Rasputin : fishbone
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    Oh fuck yeah. This is even more amazing on nitro tap. (and i didn't think that was possible, but it's tru... : DJ Clipdat
    • I have yet to have a nitro beer on tap that I enjoy, but I can see where Old Rasputin has potential. : Head Rush
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  BEERS OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOVE THAT PLACE! : trebarg
  • you are correct good sir : askedrelic
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  Great Lakes: Nosferatu, Ommegang: Abbey Ale, Brooklyn: Post Road Pumpkin, DogfishHead 60 or 90 IPA : trebarg
  • If you're able to buy Great Lakes, then you have to buy Christmas Ale. : givemesnacks
• Franziskaner Dunkel Weissbier! Ninkasi IPA : radicus
• Double Fist Old Man Faggot : filthysock
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  Lately I've been drinking Stone's Sublimely Self-righteous, Ayinger Oktoberfest-marzen (and several other... : zohar79
  • Oh, and the Schneider-Brooklyn Hopfen-Weisse is outstanding, as is Brooklyn Local 2. : zohar79
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    A lot of the Oktoberfests are starting to disappear around here :( Luckily there's a new liquor store ... : c0bra
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      I'm beginning to believe that Oktoberfests are the perfect session beer. Perfect balance of malt and cris... : zohar79
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        You can if you brew them yourself! : c0bra
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          I really should. My neighbor does, and I help him out quite a bit, but he only brews ales. : zohar79
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            Use White Labs California Lager yeast, or Wyeast California Lager yeast, they both can ferment up to high... : c0bra
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              err it's white labs Sanfranciso Lager : c0bra
              • I'll talk with him and check it out. Thanks a bunch. : zohar79
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        I drank a lot of the Boulevard Oktoberfest this year http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/423/3321 : cpt_gloval
        • I've never seen it in my area, but I'll add it to the list. Thanks! : zohar79
        • I'm drinking that right now! : c0bra
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  Russian River Pliny the Elder, green label, red circle, can't miss it. http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profi... : cpt_gloval
  • Man I'd love to find that somewhere. Had it on tap once. : delataur
• Get something local. It will be the freshest. : filtersweep
• See if they have Great Lakes Christmas Ale yet... : cokefiend
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  CHANG : Dave-A
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    Fuck chang. Beer Laos! And if you can't get that, Singha. : aeg1x
    • CHANG : Dave-A
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  BEERS OF THE WORLDDDDDDD FUCKKKK : Yanks
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    This brings up so much rage that I haven't found a replacement for that place : Yanks
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      See? Rochester isn't a complete and total shithole! It has at least two redeeming qualities! :) Als... : Arcanum
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        Blows my goddamn mind. The best I've found is Whole Foods Beer on Bowery, which is pretty close to my hou... : Yanks
        • there are a couple in Brooklyn that are supposed to be pretty good but fuck if I ever went there. Manhat... : mikecyb
        • New Beer Distributors is right around the corner from the Bowery Whole Foods and it's pretty awesome. : J4NUS
• Shiner Cheer if they have it : RikiTiki2
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  I have my own beer emergency. Shackers left a bunch of beer in my fridge and I can't drink it alone. Ple... : ThomW
  • What did they leave? : c0bra
  • omw : Degenerate
  • I WANT!!!... i want..... :'( : senor135
• Beers of the World was my favorite store in Rochester. I miss that place :( : elosorojo
• I got some Sierra Nevada Anniversary for tonight. Yummy :D : ateam311
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  Beer and cigs purchased http://asktherelic.com/shack/beer.jpg http://asktherelic.com/shack/cigs.jpg : askedrelic
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    I can't speak for the other beers but if you haven't had Rochefort before prepare to change your religion... : c0bra
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      Hey, how is that Coney Island stuff? I've seen it around but honestly the labels are so strange that I've... : c0bra
      • It was on sale for like $3, I'll have to find out. I'm going to be drinking this stuff over the next week... : askedrelic
      • The Human Blockhead is a fun, big beer. : Merconium
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      Okay! I have not had it before, I really love the Chimay, but I'm always ready to change my favorites! : askedrelic
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        Rochefort is outstanding. World class. Try St. Bernardus sometime as well. : zohar79
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          I just tried Achel the other night. Good stuff, and I understand that they use Westmalle yeast I think. : c0bra
          • Achel and Westvleteren are the only Trappist beers I have never had. . : zohar79
    • I couldn't have put it better. :) : delataur
  • you should drink the lambic first. it's the best thing you got. : Degenerate
  • that oatmeal stout is badass, love that stuff. : atom519
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    You should save those rochefort for Thanksgiving. : ant_hillbilly
    • He can just buy more! : c0bra
  • fucking hell do I want a smoke and a beer right now. : skinlab133
  • Please do not refer to cigars as "cigs" : DJ Clipdat
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  GPS location of this store please. so i can turn to it and pray in the morning. : CoRDS
  • Is a Google Maps link good enough? http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Beers+of+... : Arcanum
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  Orval Duvel (the one with red characters on the label, not the "green" one) Tripel Karmeliet (one of my... : LordHellMaX
  • I would agree about Rochefort 8 though they're both great. : c0bra
  • Orval is so good. I had one a couple weeks ago at the Flying Saucer in Columbia, SC. I probably looked li... : zohar79
• Chang>? I might have to make a trip to Thailand now. : MacemanInTW
• beers of the world? : papaskot

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• this is a console game. duh : burningpantsman
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  I'm really iffy about buying this since i live in Australia. I don't want to be shunted in to American ga... : aeg1x
  • Ya. I wouldn't advise it. I get enough latency issues connecting to friends in the us from Canada. : Sgt_Boomstick
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    I believe you guys have to pay $90usd too, it's not worth it for that price : peat
    • on steam.. can pick it up at retail for about 70 USD which is in line with what we normally pay for PC ga... : aeg1x
    • Yup, $90 on Steam, $80-$100 at retail. 5 hours of single player and potentially unplayable multiplayer... : MeestaNob
  • That guide shows you how to configure your matchmaking to change the latency threshold at which you join ... : MercFox1
  • I'm in the same boat to be honest. Australia is much too far from the rest of the world not to have a sys... : MeestaNob
• Hahah, that's god-damned funny. : LoioshDwaggie
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  Yes, they should just skip the PC version that sold over half a million copies in a day - solid advice : veras
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    no, they should give us fucking dedicated servers : peat
    • they've moved past you, sorry for your loss :( : veras
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      or at least a box of kleenex with each purchase : dantastic
      • you see nothing wrong with 10 of the 12 players having one red bar? 3 or less bars means the person has o... : peat
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  100ms is considered very bad? I don't want to go over that, but I'd consider that playable. Also did the ... : crummynz
  • it's PLAYABLE, I used to play COD4 with 20ms on a dedicated server : peat
  • Considering I had no problem finding many, many servers with 30-40 pings in COD4, I think removing any ab... : azshack
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    I used to play Quake on a 200-400ping and I can't imagine that network code has gotten significantly more... : BlackCat9
    • The reason console players don't complain about it is because it's really not a big issue. Not to star... : TheVietSpecial
  • My threshold for ping is 150 average, 200 if it's a spike. 100 or less is optimal. : Sailor of Fortune
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    You forget, this is The Internet, where aliens have replaced all the old-school PC gamers with an army of... : ColoradoCNC
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      This is the worst argument ever. Why would you ever progress backwards?! : alias
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        we want to travel back in time 15 years when everyone had 56k modems obivously : peat
        • i remember 125 pings to servers that were only a few hops on 56k......this sounds worse : ozfactor
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        We're now having to beg for features that were taken for granted 10 years ago. : Marrbe
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          10 years ago I'd spend 10-15+ minutes server hopping to find a good one. Now I click a button and 10 sec... : walker270
          • Right, make it 7. Decent DSL, 40ms CS server. : Marrbe
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            you don't know how to look at a server's ping before you join? : peat
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              There was more to finding a decent server than just the ping. Finding one with a decent ping, number of ... : walker270
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                Not to mention one that didn't have a stupid setup with WoW sound effects and funky weapon restrictions t... : nudel
                • God I hated that shit... : walker270
                • There is truth in these posts. : rudds
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      Yeah, so things have progressed since the stone age of online gaming. Great. So why are we sandy vaginas ... : azshack
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        Because most of the time, there will be little to no difference to the end user in a game with 100 ping a... : ColoradoCNC
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          Diff strokes for diff folks, I guess. Given the option, I can't imagine anyone would rather have the 100m... : azshack
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            They may not prefer it, but if there's no reasonable difference or effect on the gameplay at 100ms vs. 30... : ColoradoCNC
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              DotA and Counter-Strike has turned the PC gaming community into giant faggots. : walker270
              • ^ INF : MrBig0
              • One could argue stupidity and apathy has turned the console into the platform of choice, making PC's a "n... : MeestaNob
        • Not true at all. I used to play games at 200-300 ping backinthaday (28.8baud - my 33.6 NEVER went to 33.6... : AxeMan808
        • Oh shit, you just started it. Incoming thread about how you need a CRT to perform well in FPS' and 10 ms... : the city
        • Yeah I completely disagree, but you're on a roll in this thread so continue on. : MercFox1
    • I don't agree with you but your description made me LoL. : mrwolf710
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    100ms is the upper limit for a good experience, 150-200 is playable, but frustrating. Anything above 200... : deject
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      You should check out Game Developer's article this month about OnLive and similar services. When there is... : ColoradoCNC
      • get your 'facts' and 'research' out of here : derelict515
      • here's the thing, 150ms ping is an average not a high, which means there will probably be frequent spikes... : alexthegreat2
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    I get 5ms on L4D dallas ;( : packav
    • I get 100-120ms to CSS Dallas, and it's hugely noticeable over 30-60ms. The big problem is packet "choke"... : MercFox1
• lol keep posting I'm sure they're drying their tears with dollar bills : boomstickah
• Man. That's really awful. : azshack
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  Have they ever given a justification for discontinuing support of dedicated servers? Same with id and Rag... : aeg1x
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    Yeah the official line is "we want to ensure players have the experience that we intended" : SpaecKow
    • Namely. You play it our way, or not at all. : tboomer2
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  Im confused. So MW2 PC uses Peer to peer. So does console. Why are console pings so much better? (at leas... : pun][sher
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    this change to the config makes it more apparent the difference in ping times. Everyone looks closer when... : malloc
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      But even so looks like people get better ping times when playing over Live, no? : Nitrium
      • Not necessarily, but a few factors to consider: 1) There's a LOT more people on live, increasing your ... : icking fudiot
    • ^^this i changed my config earlier, and boy you can see the difference. Everyone is orange 1bar, except t... : Iwannaacura
  • he changes the ping rating system : Turd Ferguson
  • I'm curious about that too. : Nitrium
  • The ping rating system is a lot more nuanced in this situation. It'd be the equivalent of your gas tank h... : MercFox1
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    It's the same on the console. The bars conceal just how bad the ping is. By default full bars can mean as... : OverloadUT
    • I'm thinking there might be a reason they don't just use numbers. : Marrbe
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    Well, to start with all indications are MW2 uses client/server with one of the players acting as the serv... : walker270
    • Actually, that's the first one I've seen of a game in progress. Usually it's not. Probably just a shi... : walker270
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  I remember CoD4 being a pray-n-spray fest when my ping was above 200 ms. I get mad when the action I'm t... : the archvile
  • In my experience there's no satisfying solution to pings that high. You could go Quake and delay the firi... : Marrbe
• That's horrible. : Nitrium
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  i keep reading in the german forums that the mouseinput seems to be awkward as well. cod4 input was ok if... : Hoax
  • CoD4 input was okay cause it ran fast, but it really only behaved properly on 720p. : SpaecKow
  • it is a little floaty... i wish i had a config input to change it. stuff will appear. its only 2-3 days o... : chilln
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  That settles it then. I've yet to play MW2 online with a ping less than 200 it seems. Also, how do I f... : Cliffzorz
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    move out of new zealand : AlexXdude
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      he would be fine if someone in new zealand could host a server instead of having to rely upon a peer : peat
      • I think it's cos I can't see any NZ hosts because my NAT is all strict, and I can't fix it because not ev... : Cliffzorz
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        If there are no peers in NZ then surely there would be nobody on the NZ servers either? : nudel
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          there are no NZ servers, or any servers : crummynz
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            I know, but if there were they'd presumably be empty as there aren't enough NZ players to get you matched... : nudel
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              you don't think if there was a dedicated server in NZ no one would be on it? no one is playing in NZ beca... : peat
              • Their pings suck because noone is playing. :) : nudel
• lol wow : Godhatesfatpeople
• is it the case that hardwired computers have a tough time while wireless consoles don't? : Downforce
• I'd hate to say EVERYONE warned you, but damn did EVERYONE warn you. : locater16
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  heh, as if I needed any more reasons not to buy it... This is why dedicated servers are good. Sure th... : deject
  • dosent L4D use dedicated servers yet still no server browser, unless you specifically pull down the conso... : ozfactor
• lol these posts are hilarous : dael
• You could literally play with better pings in 1999 on 56k. IW is fucking coked to the gills if they think... : thebigbeefsandwich
• i really wish games would just give me a number instead of bars like I'm some idiot. : gibolas1234
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  People claiming they are getting great pings on the console version reminds me of an Unreal mod released ... : socksta
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    The stuff you describe was done first in PC games that used dedicated servers. It's got jack shit to do w... : nudel
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      Client-side prediction, right? It primarily started with Half-Life, Quake 3 and UT99, and was refined in... : the archvile
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        quakeworld? : jonin
        • I didn't play enough QuakeWorld back in the day; I'm so deprived. :-( : the archvile
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          Yeah I think Quakeworld was the first. : irrerno
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            I think it was later patches of HL1 that really did it. In quakeworld your rocket would still delay aft... : kingdepork
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              I seem to recall it being a big deal in CS at one point. : derelict515
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                Yepper, that was the real start of client-side. : kingdepork
                • no way...pushlatency : .frame
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  It just sucks because the game looks fun, but I'm not going to buy it when they disallow something as bas : Trips
  • That's what I'd love to see: an update that adds on the ability to host a dedicated server, and connect t... : the archvile
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  Its usually playable. im still making the best of it and staying positive. there are alot of lag spike... : chilln
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    I really hate the argument it's "playable" it should be fucking awesome, game 10 years old have shown we ... : peat
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      I hate the misuse and misunderstanding of "ping" in these discussions, but what are you going to do? : walker270
      • continue to bitch obviously until IW gives a reason other then "trust us, it's better" : peat
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  I've play 11 hours since I got the game Tuesday and out of the countless of matches I've played only a ha... : freakynipples69
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    unpossible : derelict515
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      possible : freakynipples69
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        UNPOSSIBLE!!!! : derelict515
        • POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!! : freakynipples69
        • Enchantment? : watcherxp
  • i agree. been playing all night with 3 bars and it's been great. On the positive side, they've done a goo... : festivalman
  • I played about 5 hours and probably 2 of those hours were spent lagging. Was never picked as host once. ... : Edges
  • Same. I think twice I had some issues, but one of them was after the host left and the game assigned a n... : Tripps
• i'm still not sold on this idea that the developer/publisher knowingly released a game that would result ... : FrayLo

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• No! Over the atlantic! Don't you see... IT WAS FRANCE ALL ALONG. : SpaecKow
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  Looked like they came in to the West Coast, Alaska and the East Coast. Someone took Red Storm Rising a bi : Fyunch Click
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    I assumed the "secret shadow force" bit was just there to avoid having you explicitly kill US Marines. : walker270
    • I didn't even think about the Shadow force. I just assumed they were marines. Woops. : tboomer2
    • Pretty much : ghost in my shell
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    yeah, after playing that level again thats how it happened. how did the fighter jets make it though? : stgdz
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      EMP's aren't persistent. I'm guessing the orders to level DC were sent out after the EMP was launched, a : walker270
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        nope before the EMP gets launched teh grunts on the ground say there are fighter jets over i96 : stgdz
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          Do we know if they're the same fighter jets? : walker270
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            and where at over I95? : walker270
            • Last one - I swear! Do you mean I95 or I96? I96 is up around Detroit. : walker270
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  Your questions are all gray and rectangular! This cannot go on! : Rehevkor
  • * R E D A C T E D ' D * : RomSteady
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  The US part of the campaign started in the northern part of Virginia, around where (I think) a lot of the : walker270
  • The US part was Arlington, VA into Washington DC itself Also: I believe that the ACS module was some k : umcpwintermute
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    Nice to hear Lance Henricksen (aka Bishop) and Keith David's voices in the game \m/ : Wolfanoz
    • Were they both in Mass Effect? The General's voice sounded familiar. : Mmmmmoo
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  For an unspoilered conversation; Who watched the credits, big fan of the museum walk through of all the s... : tboomer2
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    Zimmerman only did a few of the tracks, afaik. : mittense
    • That being said. The soundtrack was fantastic. : tboomer2
  • I wish they tied in the arrest of a bunch of officials associated with Sheppard's plot, that woulda been ... : sreyes22
  • You can revisit the museum from Mission Select. : UselessHack
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  What the fuck was with Gaz/Ghost anyway? I thought he lived after Modern Warfare 1? : mittense
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    And having beaten the game, three things stand out: 1. The airport scene was still really distasteful, o : mittense
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      I thought the spaceman part was kinda cool...i mean, it's way different take on what you'd expect to obse : sreyes22
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        Yeah it was Price who wanted to launch the nuke to turn public opinion against the Russians, that's why t : r_picmip 5
        • By the narrative rules established in Modern Warfare 2, Shepard basically has to be omnipotent to be able : mittense
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          Huh? I thought he wanted the EMP to bring down the invasion forces. : Mad Brahmin Disease
          • ^^ That's what I thought. Price wanted to EMP Washington to cripple the invasion force. Shepard was a : walker270
          • Wow, ok that totally wooshed over my head. I guess I got confused when Price talked about making a bigge : r_picmip 5
        • So how does that fit in with the last level? There was a map that basically cut up the entire world th : stgdz
    • 1. Waaaaaaah 2. Waaaaaaah 3. Waaaaaaah : Mad Brahmin Disease
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      The whole game was absurd, it doesn't really stop there. In fact it's really pretty obviously deliberate, : DeBurgo
      • The only thing I thought was absurd was the existence of something like the ACS. Allowing that, the plot... : walker270
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  The ending of the game confused me. The cutscenes seemed to indicate that Price and Soap were the bad guy : Entity
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    Shepard was the bad guy, but since he couldn't kill Price and Soap, he framed them and made them public e : mittense
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      Maybe I'm stupid, but I didn't click as to what Shepards goal was, or why he had to betray and kill every... : -JLN-
      • Sheperd blamed Russia (and Makarov) for the 30,000 soldiers he lost to the nuke in CoD4. He wanted reven : walker270
      • Shit, should have been spoilered : -JLN-
      • http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GJHAezShK6I/SpNfZiq-DUI/AAAAAAAAAjc/SxrK9wipheE/s320/big_boss_mgs4.jpg : ghost in my shell
  • Those plot points come through on the radio chatter. It can be annoying when you're not paying attention : r_picmip 5
  • Did you miss the whole MGS-style philosophical monologue on history and information propagation? The l : walker270
• IT WAS A FUCKING SHOOTING GAME ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO MAKE SENSE! Although i did think that even as far as : SigENeaT
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  One thing's for sure, I don't recall seeing a game infuriate so many forumgoers for all the wrong reasons... : Orange Pylon
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    Just think... they could have sold 50, maybe 60 more copies had they not pissed off all of the hardcore P... : walker270
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      costs saved from not developing dedicated server support money made from mandatory dlc outweigh pc... : sreyes22
      • costs saved from not developing dedicated server support I love how everyone thinks they saved a ton ... : Evil Benius
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  The premise of this game is utterly ridiculous. Serious spoilers follow. The ACS thing... how in the h : Code RedBeard
  • Just part of the game. Just assume something happened that allowed them to crack the device quickly. : walker270
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    How would Russia plan, mobilize, and execute a full scale invasion of the US in 2 days? : Crimsonbeak
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      Well, they likely didn't. What standing military wouldn't have these plans already drawn up? : walker270
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        Little more.. Any country with any form of modern military will have plans drawn for every remotely pr : walker270
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          The Middle East situation as it currently stands is evidence to the contrary. Completely unplanned until : Code RedBeard
          • No the actual invasion of Iraq went perfectly. The US took control of the country incredibly quickly, ho... : Crimsonbeak
  • Yeah i don't get the airport thing. I'm assuming the US placed an agent next to Makarov to prevent s : smax
• I have flown to Russia before, straight flight over the Arctic Circle from Seattle, WA to Moscow, RU. Mos : two50six
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_Common_Sensor Might be the ACS they were refering to, which would : MarkovChain
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  personally, beside all the ridiculousness about the russians invanding, I don't understand why they thoug... : alexthegreat2
  • oh and I laughed at the part where one of the main characters said something like "The difference between... : alexthegreat2

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  That's the first thing I change. Second is unhiding hidden folders. : crummynz
  • Same here. I also change the view settings so that it displays files in detail view sorted by type and gr... : Mmmmmoo
  • yep, one of the first things I do on a new install. : DapperDan
  • show me your secrets : Delaric
  • Yeah, first two changes here. I'm not sure which order I change them in since they're both in the same... : Agrona
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  The idea is that the icons should show you what's what. I turn on file extensions 'cause shit just looks ... : Entity
  • also, you can't change the file extension unless you turn on the display of them : Herman Toothrot
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  song.mp3.exe : drucifer
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    yeah, that and annakournikova.jpg.vbs : the archvile
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      link plz : dirge23
      • link.scr : drucifer
• Yeah I always end up changing it eventually : bolneze
• I disable that asap. : abrasion
• I'm the only person I know who enables viewing file extensions; it really shocks me that no one else seem... : zach`
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  File extensions are pointless for regular users. But yes of course I turn it off. : OverloadUT
  • Most regular users don't even know what "files" are or a desktop or a drive letter or the power button or... : mrwolf710
• It is one of the things that I always turn on when I use any computer for more than 2 minutes. Every s... : Ebu
• Screw hiding them, and screw Microsoft for sorting by descriptions. I want to know the specific file ty... : cerealSAM2
• I wish the windows setup had a "ich bin ein power user" checkbox that would set all the defaults the oppo... : Dave-A
• unhiding it leaves clueless users susceptible to unknowingly changing the extension, then wondering why t... : MamiyaOtaru
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  Never. Likewise on OS X. I like to see what I am opening. Extensions should be left on by default with ... : Goblin au
  • IAWTP : sanchez
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    It always floors me how completely oblivious tech savvy people are to how little normal people know about... : OverloadUT
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      how so? : Goblin au
      • People would rename the extensions without realizing what they were doing. People would rename the file e... : OverloadUT
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  I hate trying to help a user over the phone - "the file we are looking for is notes.ini" "I see two calle... : ruckboos
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    I don't like to hide any files. So one thing that I hate about Vista/Win7 is that if I unhide protected ... : giant boy detective
    • yeah, vista finally broke me of this habit too. Too much random shit lying around if you unhide everythi... : GloriousCow
    • Oops meant to be a reply to the OP : giant boy detective
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      There is no reason to unhide protected operating system files. Those are files you never modify by hand. : OverloadUT
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        It's just something that I've done since Win98 started hiding file extensions. The desktop files in Vist... : giant boy detective
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          Right, but "hidden files" are different from Protected OS files. You really pretty much almost never ever... : OverloadUT
          • ^^ yea, I used to hate it as well, but then I realized that I don't need to see them, ever. : aggressor
      • Yeah. I leave those hidden. : crummynz
    • Actually I like this in Vista/Win7 because it forces me to stop throwing random crap on the desktop : ruckboos
  • Wayyy too many times I talk to people with files named folder.jpg.jpg :( : crummynz
• They probably think people will rename files, bulldoze the extension, click Yes when the warning pops up ... : Marrbe
• There's a guy at work who routinely names everything Blah.xlsx.xls... : DOOManiac

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  squirrels : drucifer
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    I was cooking a few days ago and I turn around and there's a squirrel in my apartment, about 5 fet from m... : sparkly
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      How is it that no matter what single word someone says, there's always a hilarious story that someone tel... : Clasifyd
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        that's why you have to be careful what you say... : drucifer
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          I feel an experiment coming on... : Clasifyd
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            Lets try it: Asparagus : Ormsbee
            • We're buried to deep here... Gotta try it towards the front of a thread... : Clasifyd
            • I read the Asparagus thread and then this thread; unfortunately, they were out of order, but now I know w... : MercFox1
    • that was a scout. start looking for a new place soon...real soon. : drucifer
    • pretty sure he spiked your sauce. with his poop : atom519
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      At my parents squirrels just come right up to the door looking for food. We'll put it in our hands and th... : ieGod
      • You realize they are rats with big furry tails right? OK maybe not quite as bad, since they don't live ... : GoodBoy
• I've always wondered why the search by informative/nws thing doesn't work. : Mmmmmoo
• Didn't that <<Dispatcher>> guy do something to the database? : CrustaR
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  where will we go when it finally burns out? : ass-street
  • we must form a backup plan! : jonin
  • I say the steam community : fadetofunk
• It just feels like ever since it was sold, the uptime of this site has been pathetic. Must just be a coin... : Entity
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  Its been down a lot lately and often unresponsive. I've never seen it this bad in all my years here. : ashkie
  • Speak of the devil. : ashkie
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  Pretty soon you will be able to set up a queue of your favorite threads. When one becomes available it w... : Omaha
  • *slow clap* : transmetal
  • Awesome : Ebu
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    The first few threads that get sent will be the ones at the bottom of the queue. : jackrabbit
    • And if you want a newly created thread, you have to clear the rest of your queue out to get it. : Ormsbee
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  it's been up and down for the last 20 mins for me : cptstern
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    I'm sorry Stone Donkey. I've been muttering bad things about you but it's the host and your server. : tboomer2
    • and *not* your server. : tboomer2
    • That's ok, I was mumbling the same thing about squeegy's api screwing up my debugging efforts, there's pl... : stonedonkey
  • Yeah, been having Shack problems quite frequently in the last few weeks. >_< : code-e255
  • try viagra : m0rfus
• it seems that without maarsten or steve standing by with the duct tape, things are on a slow spiral down.... : smacknca
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  What I learned about Google Wave in the five minutes I worked with it while the Shack was down: It is ... : Deathlove
  • In other news, apples don't taste anything like oranges : Arctic Fox
  • It probably wouldn't be so bad if there were new Waves made for each "chat". : tboomer2
• G A M E F L Y 'D : cjcharv
• I wonder what Steve told Gamefly the avg uptime for this place was. : Omning
• Step forward if you like generating constant ad revenue. Whoa, not so fast there, shacknews. : silent prophet
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  tr0mblyj admitted to it already. : ieGod
  • O not 0. : ieGod
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  There has been a pretty big increase on the DB server load in the last month or so. The solutions that... : themelon
  • Cool, thanks Mr. Melon. : Nitrium
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    so basically it's electroly's fault somehow right : Downforce
    • I can go with this. : themelon
    • it always is : electroly
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      I'm still throwing darts at printouts of his face so yes : tomservo
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        where can I get one of these printouts? : mwasher
        • http://www.shackpics.com/viewer.x?file=ihateajaxsomuch_jgxbisup1h182eg979is.jpg Just change the name f... : tomservo
    • Should have just said this in the first place! : silent prophet
  • Just drop the server once or twice. : Jimbo Ro
  • let me be brutally honest here: thanks : Deathlove
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    wait the same guy that is attending to the servers now has been attending to the servers all along? This ... : geedeck
    • cat abuse : silent prophet
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      So what youre saying it, it might be better if Gamefly DID take over the servers because they would be be... : ashkie
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        Also, vodka flavored ham slabs : geedeck
        • that sounds delicious. : ashkie
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        It's often harder than you think to scale up server infrastructure. : ysbreker
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          just slap some more ram in it, dude. : silent prophet
          • My dev server only has 512 :( And can only hold 1GB max :( It's been running out of memory all week... : c0bra
          • upgrade the server to Windows 7 IMO : Entity
    • Your cat's breath is definitely Gamefly's fault. : Arcanum
    • methinks the lady doth protest too much : Clay
    • no one even brought this up until you did! : mwasher
    • check out the blown-glass balls on this guy : Deathlove
    • Sleep! That's where I'm a Viking! : brickmatt
    • i love this post :D : Dave-A
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      I never should have let you into my house for QuakeCon '07. I should have seen this coming. : themelon
      • You're not the first to regret allowing me into your home :( I'm sorry : geedeck
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    rm -rf /var/lib/mysql should speed things up rather nicely : c0bra
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      I want one of these but I dont think they will go for it: http://www.ramsan.com/products/ramsan-440.ht... : themelon
      • I will pitch in :o : tomservo
      • They should totally go for it. And give me root. Just saying. : c0bra
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        Just needs one of these for disk: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/en/WF05a/12169-304616-304628-30462... : devnullgt
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          Aren't all of the shack comments less than 5GB? : c0bra
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            the jazz DB when you count indexes and everything are about 8GB. : themelon
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              Ah yea I wasn't thinking about indexes. Still, that's not terribly large. : c0bra
              • No. it's not. The odd part is though that it has not really increased in size at all in 2-3 years despit... : themelon
        • I am actually working on disk backed ram disks. But it will likely be un-needed as soon as we can get th... : themelon
• ya it is getting worse. I keep wondering if it's finally been shut down. : .frame
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  We need to develop a secret shack handshake, so that when we're inevitably thrown out into the cold, dark... : Clasifyd
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    Noob, we've had that for years. LSL. : malevolence
    • I can't even remember what lamp, sand, lime was about... It's been a while since anyone's used it. : Clasifyd
    • what does leisure suit larry have to do with anything? : j0nchan
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    Just scream mace's catchphrase at any one you remotely suspect might be a shacker. : silent prophet
    • ask them what they think about circumcision, if you get a 20 minute rant, they're a shacker. : Xanthos
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    this has been discussed. it should be in the wiki. Shacker 1: Lamp? Shacker 2: Sand. Both together : biskits
    • Like so: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=10785211#itemanchor_10785211 : crummynz
• Nick is hax0ring Laryn.x or Garret dont know how to use it ;) : Frush81

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• if you read the intro, it's obvious that they're reviewing the PC version because the press has already g... : Herman Toothrot
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  There's no "right" version to review. You play it, you think about it, you say how it is. : Alice O'Connor
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    exactly. this is the only "real" PC review in my eyes anyways, since almost all other sites simply copy/... : atom519
    • Ditto. : Sgt_Boomstick
  • agreed. It's like saying reviewing Masseffect on pc is wrong because originally it came out and sold mor... : hirosushima
  • I don't think they put enough time into the N64 version! It doesn't even use the expansion pack!! : sludge vohaul
• I don't even know how to respond to this. You're very wrong. : Tchest
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  I'm not sure where you get that he 'didn't like it.' He specifically called the single player impressive,... : theangrywaffles
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    From one of his comments: "I don't really care about the buying public. Based on e-mails, comments, an... : theangrywaffles
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      I love how they're so upfront about this stuff. : Ride-My-Rocket
      • That's why Ars rocks IMO : Hiro
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  The right version to review? That's retarded. : Conan
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    If there are two versions of a game and the review would be tilted heavily towards "skip" with one and "b... : umcpwintermute
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      It's a PC review. If it sucks PC gamers need to know. Christ how can you be so short sighted? : Tchest
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        But would it be so hard for them to review both editions and compare the two? : umcpwintermute
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          That's not what they are trying to do. : Alice O'Connor
          • Yea, and I get that now - I just hadn't figured that was the way they were going to review it. : umcpwintermute
        • if you want a console review, gametrailers did a fantastic job with theirs : Demius
        • Why bother, though? Most of the downsides mentioned stem from expectations of the player base (as long-ti... : Conan
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          Yes it would be because they are a PC site and don't give a shit about any other edition. : Tchest
          • They do console reviews too. http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/ : OmegaRed59
    • It says very clearly at the top (in the title, no less) that they reviewed the PC version; the console ve... : omnova
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      That's just silly. There are plenty of PC-owners who might be interested in the game who don't have a 360... : Conan
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        I just hadn't associated Ars with a "PC-centric" site - I thought it was fairly neutral in terms of PC, M... : umcpwintermute
        • Ars tends to not be particularly console'y : Toraz Chryx
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          Any gripe with the PC version exists on the 360 version. Are you suggesting that the 360 has lower expec... : Jimbo Ro
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            Most of them don't know better, so issues for us are non-issues for them. : LoioshDwaggie
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              WHAT DO YOU MEAN "THEM" : FrayLo
              • He's talking about FrayLos. : yacoub35
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  What's up with this? In the bullet points: •$60 for a PC release? No thanks, guys •Both t... : PointlesS76
  • To be honest this game could be $30 and built exclusively for the PC, and it still would get massively pi... : silent prophet
• Ideally, it'd be nice for reviewers to play a game across all platforms it's available on and point out t... : jingletard
• Uh it explicitly says right up there at the top that this is a review of the PC version. : Zek
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  I'd love to get a review of MW2 PC from a guy who is a long time gamer but knows absolutely nothing about... : OverloadUT
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    If he's a long time PC gamer he will miss dedicated servers. It's not peer pressure that makes people pis... : Tchest
    • My point is I want to know how someone's experience is if they don't know in advance about them being gon... : OverloadUT
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      I can see a fair number of people being glad they don't have to deal with server browsers. : Alice O'Connor
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        I'm sorry, but this is pure poppycock. Is pressing refresh and then clicking on ping to find a server wit... : roodytwotone
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          You are incorrect. I personally fucking hate server browsers and I am glad to see them going away. : OverloadUT
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            Eh, I prefer server browsers to anything else I've seen. : Conan
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              There are going to be people on both sides of course. But roody was saying that there is no one on my sid... : OverloadUT
              • If you don't like server browsers, that's still not a very strong argument against dedicated servers. It ... : Tchest
  • Probably not *exactly* what you're looking for, but I'm someone who has played on the PC for a while and ... : beanman101283
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  So you'd base your decision on whether to get Dragon Age for 360 on the PC version review? Of course ... : te[R]ror
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    I don't tend to read IGN or other game sites - Ars and the Shack are the only two places, so if I don't s... : umcpwintermute
    • That explains A LOT. Thanks. : Sgt_Boomstick
• He seems to be indicating that LAN play can't be done with a Private Match. That's not true at all. The... : r_picmip 5
• And if I "prefer" to play on the PC, I'd like to know what I'm getting. : Home Nugget
• All of his gripes and complains are 100% valid from my experience with it. (MP-wise at least). IWNet is s... : Sgt_Boomstick
• Did we read the same review? He seems to mostly enjoy the game and just has specific complaints that see... : smacknca
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  Uhh, its a PC site, and clearly says reviewing the PC version. What's so hard to understand? It's their ... : sreyes22
  • Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah : OverloadUT
  • Ummmmmmmm : CrustaR
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    Their gaming coverage is explicitly multi-platform. : Carnivac
    • well the article is EXPLICITLY PC. : sreyes22
  • Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm : Mr.Finkster
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    this guy is fucking correct. goto the internet archive and pull up an Ars page from years ago: http://w... : ]pm[chem
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      No, all you have proven is that they used to be a PC site but now they are an all-inclusive site. : OverloadUT
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        it's still almost all PC, and nobody should be surprised if they review the PC version of a game : ]pm[chem
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          I agree with that. The OP's post here was pretty dumb as everyone seems to agree on. But citing an archiv... : OverloadUT
          • well yeah that's why sreyes and I never said it was "PC only". it's PC centric. : ]pm[chem
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  the review is pretty much spot on for the game based on my first playthrough : stgdz
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    Do you think he's correct in recommending people skip the game? : midgetherder
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      Absolutely not. I spent an hour in the single player - and it's fun. It's fun. It's fun. I spen... : dedgecko
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        SP isn't much of an improvement over CoD4. It's nice, but it is nothing new. The MP isn't much of an impr... : LoioshDwaggie
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          How about Special Ops? I'm finding that I spend more time in that than I do SP or traditional MP. : umcpwintermute
          • Haven't tried that out yet (which is why I haven't offered a review). It's something I'd like to do with ... : LoioshDwaggie
        • I disagree. The maps are much better in MW2 in terms of gameplay and sheer polish. I particularly enjoy... : dedgecko
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      he's wrong, the game is pricey but it's a blast : peat
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        Is it worth 60 BUHKS, pet? : CrustaR
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          fo sho CrustaR : peat
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            NO DEAL. I will wait for it to drop down to $30. : CrustaR
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              lol call of duty 4:modern warfare isn't even 30 bucks yet : peat
              • at least a new version I mean : peat
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      I don't quite know yet but here is what I can state. For the people that are on the fence with this ga... : stgdz
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        They are two completely different games... Also, in terms of MP, MW2's MP is going to outlast the high... : dedgecko
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          Some Crysis Wars shackbattles would be fun, though... : walker270
          • It's the Steam weekend deal! I bought Crysis + Warhead + WARS just now for $30. : deject
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          Think of all of your problems with Crysis Wars' netcode...and then think of how terrible it would be if i... : MercFox1
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            Did IW ever say Modern Warfare 2 was P2P? Or is this just how people interpret the "no dedicated servers... : walker270
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              I think it ended up being client/server style in the end I think. : crummynz
              • Everything I've read about it's capabilities, requirements, and abilities suggest it's client/server, but... : walker270
            • From the interpretations so far, it seems like a client-server thing, but when you're chosen as the host,... : MercFox1
          • That's irrelevant, as CW's netcode should be compared to BF's netcode (which is better IMO). Additiona... : dedgecko
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  He doesn't like it? Reading the review, it sounds like he does, and aside from the valid mp complaints, i... : yacoub35
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    Yes, but he recommends that people skip the game (for PC). Does anyone here who owns it for PC support t... : umcpwintermute
    • I think the review would be complete without adding the Recommendation. The Good/Bad/Ugly are pretty much... : yacoub35
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      My sister bought it for me for my (belated) birthday. It's terribly rude to turn something like that down... : LoioshDwaggie
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        do you think a developer would intentionally release a multiplayer game that they knew would be "unplayab... : FrayLo
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          I said publisher (Activision) not developer (Infinity Ward). I'm well aware of IWard's quality. After all... : LoioshDwaggie
          • I honestly think you are giving IW too much credit. Stuff like lean, FOV, it's all stuff Activision would... : Tchest
          • But IW have stated in the past it was consoles where they wanted to go. It was Activision that wanted the... : crummynz
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  HOW DARE HE. HOW DARE HE?!?! He's right. : d fluke
  • And the whole "right version" thing? Why publish a "wrong version"? Is the reviewer to blame? Maybe the r... : d fluke
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  Only thing I HATE about this game is the lack of a respawn invulnerability timer. Really sucks spawning ... : Edges
  • Edges, that's war. : CrustaR
• I think it's a pre-biased review based on a few things: 1. His take on Spec-Ops is different from what... : wytefang
• there's no "right version to review". They released it on the PC platform, therefore it can be reviewed o... : filthysock
• just played 30 minutes of MP on the pc. It's really great. No lag at all even on a 18 player game and the... : festivalman
• The guy is pretty positive through most of his review, and he's critical of some well known items, but in... : dedgecko
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  The 360 version sells more copies not because it's better, but because most people don't know any better ... : DogDharma
  • People have an equally good time in all versions, nit picking aside. 360 is usually how most people meet... : kingdepork
• MW2's actual gameplay is boring as fuck. I feel like the scripting and quicktime events are the only savi... : retarded talking dinosaur
• I'm not a fan of ARS in general. That review was fairly thorough. What exactly don't you like about it? T : Godhatesfatpeople
• Very few people at the company seem to care that yes, there is a PC port of the game. : the archvile
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  I read that article, and it was a great review. I don't know how his final opinion would change if the pr... : MercFox1
  • Has there been an official statement on whether additional content can or will be usable in the PC releas... : the archvile

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  finally : veras
  • My thoughts exactly. : nandu666
• nice deal... already own them though. :) : Shadowdane
• Yeah, what's the skinny -- is Warhead worth it, or Crysis alone? : Languid_Heap
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  NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 I just bought the package last week :( : Milleh
  • When you buy something right before a weekend sale, do they give you a price match? Milleh, you should ch... : StolenNosferatu
  • 0wned!!! : CrustaR
  • ME TOO, and I missed the COD4 sale by 2 days. : DogDharma
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  So pretty graphics aside, how good are these games actually? : Zek
  • I've only played Crysis, but it is a lot of fun. : tomservo
  • if you like FPS games, you might like them. i sure do. : cpt_gloval
  • I just got a new machine and I'm digging Crysis, there are some amazing moments graphically and a bit of ... : dael
  • Pretty awesome. : Arcanum
  • excellent, but only if you like FPS gameplay. which is odd, because everyone who dislikes it seems to th... : EvilDolemite
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    Really really really badass. : CrustaR
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      but they don't 0wn? : MuteMode
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        Of course they do, but the original 0wns more than the expansion. : CrustaR
        • Crysis Wars 0wns pretty hard, CrustaR. I thoroughly enjoyed playing Mesa on DX10 servers (Night/Day cycle... : MercFox1
  • Good gameplay, amazing graphics. What's not to like? And plus it's been all optimized now so it runs gr... : mrwolf710
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    Crysis is great, Warhead was not so fun, but I think I may have just been burnt out when I tried Warhead.... : devi| dog
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      Nah, Warhead isn't as good. Worth playing, but not as good. : Arcanum
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        I didn't even finish it. : SockMonkeh
        • same :( might go back since I went from 8800GT to GTX275 : mrseldowski
  • I quite like the original; I haven't played Warhead yet (but I will now). : Conan
  • Demo did nothing for me. : Ebu
  • Crysis was a pretty fun game. : StolenNosferatu
  • I thought they were so-so, although I enjoyed them more after a video card upgrade allowed me to turn up ... : UtilityMaximizer
  • incredible : eeeealmo
  • I own Crysis but can't run it. :( : ieGod
  • Crysis is half-awesome, the other is mediocre and buggy. Warhead is all bad. : shirif
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    Pretty 'meh'. : Mr. Goodwrench
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      Did you play on Delta? Were you feeling well when you were playing the game?? : CrustaR
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        I felt Delta made the game much worse :( : OverloadUT
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          what the : CrustaR
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            Well, on the hardest difficulty its too heard to 'Rambo' through the levels - even with a super suit shit : MeestaNob
            • Christ: heard = hard. My kingdom for an edit button. : MeestaNob
            • I guess I like stealthing it up and planning out my attacks. :| : CrustaR
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            I agree, it meant using the same tactics all day long. : guigr
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              This is exactly my problem with it. Delta made it so my suit was pointless; I might as well just have had... : OverloadUT
              • It was still sometimes possible to do so, but it was much more likely that you'd be flanked and taken out... : AlexW1203
      • I played on Delta from the start...after beasting through Far Cry on Realistic I figured Delta would be r... : Mr. Goodwrench
    • but not skelomeh, amirite? : StolenNosferatu
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    Crysis is good but would've been better without all the alien enemies that fly around. : azshack
    • I thought that part was pretty cool, and they were pretty cool-looking. : mrseldowski
  • They're fantastic, incredible games. You owe it to yourself to play. Even with the graphics settings on l... : retarded talking dinosaur
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    its better than half life : stgdz
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      whoa whoa whoa, rewind : EvilDolemite
      • EvilD, it's true. : CrustaR
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        I agree with stgdz. : Jimbo Ro
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          each game in its own time period? HL2 in 1998 vs Crysis in 2007. HL wins! : EvilDolemite
          • Huh? : Jimbo Ro
          • 1998? : CrustaR
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    I found Crysis to be boring as hell. I've tried playing it several times and I never get more than two ho... : jason bergman
    • It took me three or four tries until I finally forced myself to beat it. Same with Far Cry 1. I just real... : The Grolar Bear
  • Crysis 1 is great, Warhead is really good. : abrasion
  • Crysis is really great, especially on Delta. Lot of people just say it's Far Cry with prettier graphics, ... : Dontdrop
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    Crysis is really really good for the first 2/3 of the game, I have probably re-played those first 2/3 10 ... : Begawkiness
    • Crysis was awesome in every regard other than the alien mountain, also wasnt a huge fan of the flying par : Saman
  • I actually enjoyed Crysis. A little ways into Warhead and haven't felt very compelled to continue playin... : boarder2
  • As long as you play on the hardest difficulty they are pretty awesome! : marmite
  • pretty rad once you get into them and start using your suit to rip shit up. although i'm sticking to ... : gokart.
  • Very good. Crysis is excellent, one of the best FPS around for mine. Warhead is a little more action-o... : MeestaNob
  • Crysis is fantastic, Warhead less so but still good. : Tchest
  • Awesome if you play on Delta : glio1337
• Damn you and your deals all the freaking time. : PhoenixArisen
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  Which is better? : pieman
  • They're really two different experiences. Crysis (up until the last third) is a slower, more deliberat... : IndigoAK
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  To bad my PC is older than Betty White. : voodooraze
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    at least its living. : bashildy@speakeasy.net
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      She's still alive. She was actually on a 30 Rock episode not to long ago. : thejay247
      • Yep, didn't mean for that to come across the other way. Meant more of your PC and Betty are still putter... : bashildy@speakeasy.net
• It's funny I couldn't run Crysis decently when it came out, but I've been able to run every game since th... : Geoffrois
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  Too expensive for a week-end deal IMO. : melt_core
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    50% off?? : crummynz
    • It's not 50% off really. I bought the combo last week for 40 : DogDharma
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    Agreed. I'm banking that Crysis by itself will be on sale for $5 on Dec 25th. Steam's year end sales have... : denixen
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      LOL. I've been waiting for the Christmas sale, hoping to pick up a bunch of games. : crummynz
      • Same. : dmason
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    when was it mandated that weekend steam deals were only to be X dollars? $15 for a game like crysis is a ... : EvilDolemite
    • they should at Least match previous retail sales, digital distribution is cheaper than retail : dignan
    • I don't think all weed-end steam deals should be a set amount of dollars, but this isn't enough of a reba... : melt_core
  • agreed, Best Buy did them for $10 each : dignan
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  Crysis Warhead's multiplayer is awesome. For $15 you're doing yourself a favor. It's like Battlefield but... : OverloadUT
  • do people even play it anymore? : Iwannaacura
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    They took leaning out in Wars for some weird reason. :( : SockMonkeh
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      Not balanced for lean : retarded talking dinosaur
      • innovators! : xsoulbrothax
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      I wonder how long this is going to be "funny" : SlingBlaze
      • i'm leaning towards a week tops : Zek
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        I wasn't making a joke, actually. : SockMonkeh
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          nobody actually uses lean in FPSes : wendigo
          • I used it in Thief once : mikecyb
          • I never use it in multiplayer games. : OverloadUT
          • You're wrong. : Wisp!
          • I use it A LOT. : SockMonkeh
      • I still laugh every time. : retarded talking dinosaur
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    Doesn't matter how cool it is, how many people play it? : Fred Garvin
    • That is a good question and one I do not know the answer to :( : OverloadUT
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    I tried it out once. I remember it seeming cool but also being somewhat complex. So I closed it out and... : Horn
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      It is complex, which is a good thing because it makes for a more interesting and strategic game, but a ba... : OverloadUT
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        I should organize a Shackbattle. : OverloadUT
        • In fact if I do one this weekend, people will be able to buy it for $15 to join in... : OverloadUT
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          Yeah you fucking should OMG! I love getting the SCAR+Silencer+Sniper Scope and doing some silent sniper a... : MercFox1
          • What I love about it is that you really have to earn the ability to do that. The leveling up over the cou... : OverloadUT
        • I would support a Crysis: Wars Shackbattle. : WaterSign
      • Complex is a good thing if I'm willing to learn the ruleset. Maybe if my mood was different I would have... : Horn
  • The suit in Crysis makes it hard to play an FPS game without it, it's that cool. : abrasion
• yay, been waiting for this. : bashildy@speakeasy.net
• Great, even more games to play. My backlog is getting redonkulous. : hbalce1
• oo, might pick up warhead. i loved crysis. : Korban
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  Every time i refresh it either says "crysis 50%" off or "overlord, overlord 2 and overlord raising hell 7... : Lakipo
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    Overlord is on sale? I'm all over that! : Pacalon
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      Now THAT is a deal, the whole pack for $8.75. : crummynz
      • Agreed, bought. : The Grolar Bear
    • my steam habit is fucking terrible :( : Toraz Chryx
  • Now that's a deal. : dmason
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  Crysis on Delta > any other single player action FPS I've ever played. There I said it. : Jimbo Ro
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    why? better than HL2? I don't own either crysis but for $15 I might, if someone can convince me why I s... : ]pm[chem
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      Well if you're going to skip a critically acclaimed game for $15 no one can help you. Be aware: you will ... : retarded talking dinosaur
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        He's just wondering how it could literally be the best single player FPS ever. (It's really good, and ... : crummynz
        • yeah that too... I still need to finish HL2:Ep1 and Ep2 :/ : ]pm[chem
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          Ep2 wasnt that great imo. i hated the caves and the last section. did not enjoy at all. : retarded talking dinosaur
          • :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( : MercFox1
        • It's awesome. : Jimbo Ro
      • the price is right, it's more a matter of free time. DA:O is next on my buy/play list. : ]pm[chem
    • I'm going to agree with Jimbo here. Crysis is really awesome. : Arcanum
    • The actual combat is much, much better. : Pneum0
• YES! Fucking finally. Time for me to get my Crysis on. : Dschinghis Khan
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  Im gonna get this again just to have it steampowered. : Saman
  • Doing the same thing for Steam integration. : MercFox1
• Bought'd : YerMothah
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  How much prettier is warhead? I hear crysis is beautiful.. can i get away with just playing the first? ... : mlev
  • Almost no difference at all, except Crysis is the better game. : abrasion
  • less so actually : shirif
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    It's not prettier, but it does run a little better : nutop
    • It actually ran worse for me. : SockMonkeh
• OK, Crysis bought. I'm gonna wait until the mega christmas steam sale to get Warhead. : Dschinghis Khan
• Steam, why must you make my wallet cry? : Prozium
• i so missed the 10 dollar mass effect deal :( : oHnOES
• The sale is even better in Australia: Crysis $15 Crysis Warhead $15 or together for the low low pr... : nunami

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• pc motherfucker : moe6
• Dragon Age is an easy choice. PC interface is built for the PC from the ground up (way to go, Bioware). : crummynz
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  pc, if it has the stones to run it : oHnOES
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    Well let me ask that then... My PC: Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 3.2GHz 4 GB RAM GF8800 GTS 320MB Will t... : Saman
    • yea. : Vegtro
    • I'm running it flawlessly on an E8400, 4 gigs of ram and a 4870 with everything cranked to max. : Pacalon
    • I'm running it just fine at 1920x1200 on a C2D E6600 with 2GB RAM and a GF7950. You'll be fine. : ChibiJosh
    • you should definitely buy the PC version then : porp
    • I'm running on a x2 4600, 2 gigs for ram and a GF 8800 GT 512 at 16x10 2x AA. I do see slow down every no... : boomdeath
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  PC. Built for it and is cheaper! I haven't played long enough to give an opinion about the XP/leveling ne... : StolenNosferatu
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    Okay, last question regarding the quests, is there a lot of reading involved (ala Stalker)? I just wanna... : Saman
    • Yes, there is a lot of reading/listening, but it isn't a full fledged novel per se. : Vegtro
    • the heavy reading is pretty much optional. its all contained in the Codex so you can read at your leisure : porp
    • For quests, you don't *NEED* to read, although it makes it more fun, IMO. There's a handy icon which will... : Vincent Grayson
    • The game is much, much more enjoyable if you enjoy story-driven, cutscene-heavy games. There is LOTS of ... : bipolar
    • maybe you're in the wrong genre... : derelict515
• PC. I bought it for PS3 first and then had to buy it on PC to play it properly. Save yourself some time ... : asylumn
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  PC - always PC. : thetangent
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    Except Borderlands and Modern Warfare 2 am i rite? : Nighteyes
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      Borderlands is great on PC. as you can fix it up with a few quick edits. MW2, yeah down with that shit. : abjectblitz
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        Why would PS3 be any better for MW2 than the PC? All of the complaints about the PC version are that it's... : OverloadUT
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          yea the complaints about MW2 is pretty much that it is the exact same game as the console versions and us... : DogDharma
          • Except for the mouse and keyboard which is why most people who would consider the PC play on the PC anywa... : OverloadUT
      • It took about 30 min to an hour before everyone in my 4 pack could properly play together with working cu... : Nighteyes
• I bought it for the PS3 since I have roommies and enjoy these types of games together. However, I shou : ghost in my shell
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  PS3 - The graphics will be better due to the PS3's hardware and the game controls much better from the co... : SockMonkeh
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    that is total bullshit!!! : boring gegtik
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      Well, I considered buying it on the PC but it's not like the PC version has an editor or anything that wo... : SockMonkeh
      • just the fact that you can select subsets of your party to do things, and also click on an arbitrary part... : boring gegtik
      • Pretty sure it has an editor : rt702
      • hehe, n1 : bipolar
  • ^ lol? : shadebane
  • The PS3 does 1080P at 60Hz? : capt tripps
  • I hope you are being sarcastic. : DogDharma
  • lol : kill9
  • You're lucky this chatty is at the end of it's life otherwise many more people would see this. : Sailor of Fortune
  • lol, I bought the 360 version but I think I'm gonna stop playing and pick it up for the PC at some point.... : MagicWishMonkey
  • it's a PC game, the whole thing was designed for PC first from controls and UI to the actual encounters. ... : derelict515
  • The graphics will be better due to the PS3's hardware The PS3's circa 2005 graphics hardware make it l... : Toraz Chryx
• PC PC PC : boring gegtik
• PC definitely. On console you cannot use tactical/retro view. The load times will also probably be bett... : WhatIsThisFor
• PC, all the reviews i have seen/read said its way to go, and yours will run it. : shadebane
• PC, keyboard mapping, mouse and camera mode. not to mention mods. also i might be wrong but the ps3 ve... : Hoax
• Macintosh : mnsnota
• Why is this up for debate? : Sailor of Fortune
• I find the combat in the PC version much more enjoyable due to all the controls just being more accessibl... : BlackCat9
• PEE SEE : phate81
• PC version : irrerno
• It's bought'd...calm down PC gamers! Geeze! : Saman

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• I had no idea what natal was till I googled it : AllYourBase
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  ahaahaha my prediction : failure (fwiw, same for the PS3 one, even though I think it looks a bit cooler) : abrasion
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    It won't fail. Head tracking alone will take games to a whole new level. It'll be awesome, and will end... : scud
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      You're assuming it works properly. : abrasion
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        It will, I don't think they'd have even announced it unless they were fairly confident with the results t... : scud
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          You don't know Microsoft very well, do you? : Maddog_Delphi97
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            I don't think many major publishers would have already signed on unless they saw the potential in what wa... : scud
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              Remember when the Wiimote was going to redefine gaming and every developer had more ideas than they could... : cetra00
              • And yet the technology is being adopted, albeit in more mature and effective forms by all of the console ... : scud
      • you know journalists have gotten hands on time with it right? : derelict515
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      I asked this in another thread, how is head tracking even useful? You have to keep looking at the scr... : cetra00
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        I don't know.. for lean? : walker270
        • it's not balanced for that : Herman Toothrot
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        I think you'd be surprised at how well some of the tech out there can track eye movement without "shootin... : sKetchflow
        • Yeah but you have to sit very close to the tracker and the screen so you are forced to move your eyes aro... : cetra00
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        I wouldn't have anything to do with your eye direction. It would appear to the person whos head was b... : johnlocks
        • Are we going to have to sit right on top of our TVs? If you are 10 feet away from a window the perspecti... : cetra00
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          ^^^This!! Check out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw That guy is on the Natal... : scud
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            Yeah I've seen this and it only works because the view perspective is right on top of the screen. : cetra00
            • He was not right on top of the screen, he was a few feet back. I'm pretty sure that Natal can calculate... : scud
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        you can get a faux 3d effect like that fat asian guy demonstrated by hacking a wii controller : aeg1x
        • unfortunately that only works for one player, anyone watching is going to get sick : Herman Toothrot
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        Head tracking is already useful in games, it's nothing natal invented. It's used in flight sims and su... : Fayk
        • Oh, I guess natal is using it more for perspective, but still. : Fayk
        • Except this won't need a hat : Sailor of Fortune
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        On the PC, head tracking is an amazing feature. Look up TrackIR, brings a whole new feeling in flight si... : tfsbrian
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          "The TrackIR can be about 1 foot above or below the level of the Vector Clip, and still work fine. The id... : cetra00
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            As long as Natal can track distance and adjust accordingly, it will work fine. : scud
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              Not true for head tracking. Think about it. If you are sitting 3 feet away from a 50 foot screen you wi... : cetra00
              • I'm sure there is ratio betweeen screen size and distance from screen, but as far as I know, most people ... : scud
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                No one even sits 15 feet from their tv... Think about leaning in game. What if you did it by actually p... : derelict515
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                  These are arbitrary examples. Most people sit far enough from their TV screens that no head movement and... : cetra00
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                    Granted, the technology is in it's infancy, but it is the future. Eventually it will be a standard. : scud
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                      I can't disagree there, but I can't agree that that Natal is going to be able to overcome infinitesimal n... : cetra00
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                        Time will tell. Every new technology has it's hurdles, but I'll bet you that natal will work much better... : scud
                        • If Microsoft wasn't in the habit of releasing alpha/beta level technology to the consumer as often as the... : cetra00
  • It won't fail in the sense that it will bring attention to the 360, and it will cost incredibly cheap so ... : jingletard
  • I don't think it will be a failure, but I'm not expecting a resounding success either. I do think, howeve... : ColoradoCNC
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  I had my fingers crossed for project aids : boring gegtik
  • dudes, natal :{ : mrblarg
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  After #1, they're not in order. : jason bergman
  • Where does it say that? : skunk_ape
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  I thought the AIDS vaccine turned out to be overblown. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/... : trove
  • aids + overblown lmao : boring gegtik
  • And this, "The difference is small but critical because the new success rate of 26% falls below the th... : trove
  • No, overblowing is how you get AIDS : rosewood
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  there's an aids vaccine? : Mansmells
  • Not really. : trove
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  The aids vaccine isn't proven to actually work yet and a robotic eye is only good if it gets out to the p... : locater16
  • The aids vaccine has the potential to be an aids vaccine, while the robotic eye has the potential to some... : walker270
  • The Natal isn't proven to actually work yet either. : filthysock
  • LOL : chuck577
  • Does it really need to be posted again? I think so. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOpnaAZjKG4 : goatjc
• If the robotic eye can be detached and transmit wirelessly to my brain it would get the upper hand. Th : Sailor of Fortune
• the aids vaccine has been around since the 70s because the government created AIDS : burningpantsman
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  http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1934027_1934003_1933950,00.html Teleportati... : Maddog_Delphi97
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    You have any idea how hard it is to move that one atom? : Sailor of Fortune
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      When people are "meh" about teleportation I think it's a sign we've become just a wee bit jaded about tec... : ColoradoCNC
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        Well they didn't exactly "move" anything. : trove
        • Teleportation in some circles means you destroy the original and rebuild it elsewhere. To some it counts,... : Sailor of Fortune
• I missed out on the robotic eye! WTF? SOMEONE LINK ME PLEASE! : SockMonkeh
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  AIDS vaccine? Try stopping fucking like rabbits in countries where, I don't know, AIDS and famine are ram... : Marrbe
  • great post : derelict515
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    Didn't you know? Having sex with 20 Virgins cures AIDS. : Sailor of Fortune
    • also microwaving your balls : royalally
  • Or maybe tell the Vatican to get rid of their ban on contraception in these same countries, which are oft... : ColoradoCNC
  • This post is clearly informed. : ieGod
  • we'll get right on that : Perturbation
• But what about the walking eye? : obiquatro
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  Isn't this just an IR camera? There's nothing really new about that. : free2game365
  • no, it's far more than that : derelict515
• Sucks to be the guys testing the AIDS vaccine... "ok now screw this chick and let us know if you catch it... : Edges