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  Just called my local BestBuy - they're not selling it today. On eternal hold with Walmart : foo
  • Confirmed at Walmart, selling today. Going to get it right now : foo
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    GOT IT Data plan isn't working for some reason. On the phone with V right now : foo
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      What was the cost did they do instant rebate or was it the full 299? : hashd
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        Instant rebate, $201.01 was my total out the door. : foo
        • Hrmm wonder if they will honor my NE2. Guess I will find out in a few hours. : hashd
        • No dice mine didnt have any...... : hashd
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      Let us know how the physical keyboard is foo.. Is it hard to press the buttons? : wurt
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        http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=21334698#itemanchor_21334698 : hashd
        • yes, but blows in what way? i want details >.< : wurt
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        It's not hard to press the buttons - it's just not comfortable. They're small and offset to the left. I... : foo
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          you can probably easily install the htc keyboard, but i dont wan to point you in that direction yet. let... : smacknca
          • just installed it. doesnt deal well with the higher resolution : foo
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      Do you have to use the physical keyboard for any screen? I know it offers a soft keyboard but i don't kno... : armybob
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        the only time ive seen it force me use the hardware keyboard was during the initial setup : foo
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          that's awesome, if you see another instance of needing it please let me know. : armybob
          • I've run pretty much every app on the thing and I have yet to see it again. And it may not have even req... : foo
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  BB wouldnt give me my NE2 discount...... : hashd
  • Thats because their name is best buy, not verizon. : Jinxplayer
  • which is why I'm waiting for the verizon store. I assumed the street monkeys they have probably don't kn... : JuffoWup
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    BB is YMMV on NE2 : ateam311
    • Yeah some give it and some dont. I wonder if foo got his at Wallyworld I am gonna go try mine after work ... : hashd
• that phone looks REALLY fragile : Juno
• I want this so much and then I look at the plan prices. : DarkWolf5
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  In real photos the hardware looks like a hunk of garbage. : emcea
  • somewhere between "hyper glossy photoshopped victoria's secret model phone" pictures and "shitty camera p... : waxthirteen
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    It looks gorgeous, actually. It's quite solid. Not heavy, but solid. : foo
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      It just looked busted in that first photo. How's the sliding action? Is there any wobble to it? How about... : emcea
      • Yea, the keyboard looks kinda iffy to me (reminds me of the HTC Touch Pro/Fuze) : famine101
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        No wobble what so ever. Solid as can be. I think Engadget had a shitty version or something, my camer... : foo
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          you say no wobble, does the top display give in at all when you press down on it? : wurt
          • Doesn't seem like it, it seems solid as hell to me : foo
  • yeah, it looks really dated already. : adev
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  I feel like they should have put that large button on the left side. : ant_hillbilly
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    It's a directional pad, so having it on the right makes sense for right handed people. That's where you ... : FormerHPB
    • Gamepads have been around for decades, and the D-pad is always on the left. Further, the droid has hardw... : ^rec
  • I guess they think people are going to use it like a mouse? What am I going to put my left hand on wsad? : emcea
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  So would anyone like to do a real quick summary of DROID vs iPhone for me? Mostly what I want to know is... : Begawkiness
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    I think the iPhone is going to kill anything else if your looking for an mp3 player plus phone. : dravalen
    • Coming from someone who owns an iphone, I completely disagree. : ^rec
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    http://www.billshrink.com/blog/total-cost-of-ownership-motorola-droid-versus-iphone-3gs-versus-palm-pre/ : stonedonkey
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      I think those plan prices are a bit off : homeboyJim
      • Yea I was looking more at the feature chart. : stonedonkey
    • Thanks for this : Begawkiness
  • The ipod app is definitely better than the default android music player, but the droid will probably have... : ^rec
• I really want to get this phone, but I'm nowhere near my 2 year upgrade. I really want to get rid of this... : m0nkz
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  Where is Shackdroid, how can I get it? : foo
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    http://www.stonedonkey.com/ShackDroid/latest/ : smacknca
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      got it - seems to work just fine : foo
      • Then go buy his pokerzee game as a thank you from the marketplace : theargent
  • I am looking forward to using this! : SockMonkeh
  • Ahh, thats what I was missing! I had to wipe my phone and hadn't gotten all my apps back yet. : MacemanInTW
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  On a similar note (in this cell phone thread) Telus launched their Canadian iPhones today. 7 hours after ... : Entity
  • I really do like everything else about it though; once they get their shit sorted out, I'm gonna fall in ... : Entity
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  :-( ... tried bestbuy, and two walmarts. nothing.. now I'm gearing up for my 4am descent to the verizon ... : dextius
  • We should set up a Google Latitude group so we can all spy on each other : foo
• I just got a text earlier from verizon teling me that I'm eligible for a hardware upgrade and that I coul... : JuffoWup
• Well 2 Best Buys and 2 Wallmarts still no Droid guess I will order it at midnight and get it cheaper than... : hashd
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  So, impressions of the phone? I don't really like the physical keyboard and it looks kind of clunky, b... : MacemanInTW
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    Okay, impressions: The phone is fucking slick, there's no other way to describe it. It's got a fantas... : foo
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      Oh yeah - I haven't used the GNav app yet, other than sitting still testing. I haven't driven with the p... : foo
      • Also, battery life seems really good. It had about a half a charge when I got it, and I charged it for a... : foo
    • I agree with everything you said for the most part, but think it's better. The onscreen kb is pure bliss... : ^rec
• I think if they had used LG manufacturing it would have been an unstoppable force, but Motorola is just s... : Rigg5

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  I don't really give a shit if you play this game or not, I will be playing it on my xbox 360 and will p... : OrkO
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    OrkO, what if I told you I am planning on bouying this game used? : CrustaR
    • fine by me : OrkO
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    OrkO, have you seen the prices on MW2? It is like they want us not to buy it. : nomaad
    • oh I know : OrkO
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      it's 59.99 here which i'm surprised of since games are usually 69.99 here : dantastic
      • over $100 here thanks to our awesome currency : OrkO
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    And I don't really give a shit that you don't give a shit. Don't be a dick. : unholydonuts
    • No shit. He's venting like a lot of PC gamers want/need to and you threadshit first post? Nice. : MercFox1
  • What a useless post. What the OP posted are completely valid points, why be a bitch about it? : mystifier
  • Nobody really gives a shit what anyone plays, except themselves. That's not the point the OP was trying ... : dante2010
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  I design a game and I want you to play it the way I intended. And now I'm the asshole? : FrayLo
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    Well, yes. Do you see anyone enforcing the rules of monopoly or whatever? : Tchest
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      What a horrible analogy : FrayLo
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        except it's perfect, it's a game and if one doesn't like the way the rules work one shouldn't be arbitrar... : one random winner
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          No it's not because one is a board game and one is a closed source computer game built on a computer Com... : FrayLo
          • I don't see how the platform should dictate mod-ability, especially if, as it sounds in the OP, the creat... : one random winner
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          It's not even close to the same at all. : OverloadUT
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            I agree one is much more common and simplified, but the principle remains identical. : one random winner
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              No, it doesn't. It's not even the close to the same in any way, shape or form. The creators of Monopoly d... : OverloadUT
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                PC games have had modding at the core of a very large number of high-profile releases. The only reason t : one random winner
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                  You're incorrect in thinking that most games are moddable. Most games are not. Several are, yes, but the : OverloadUT
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                    It might break the TOS to mod the game, but it will happen regardless, the big issue, as mentioned above ... : one random winner
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                      It's not like they had them working in their game and then took them out. This is a different game. To in : OverloadUT
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                        so then, this would be the first CoD game built from the ground up? : brainchild420
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                          That question is not relevant at all. If you think a game magically gets features from the previous game ... : OverloadUT
                          • yeah but they aren't rebuilding the engine from scratch every time. CoD has to be the most rehashed game/... : brainchild420
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                        As mentioned here http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=21331010#itemanchor_21331010 There are a lot of ... : one random winner
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                          And the reason they chose to do this new system was because they feel it will maximize profits. They beli... : OverloadUT
                          • Then why didn't you host the server? That makes much more sense to me in that situation. : one random winner
                          • there was no way to search for pure games? or see the modded settings before you joined? most server bro... : brainchild420
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                  it's not like they are replacing a broken feature with something that works better. they are removing fe... : brainchild420
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                    This is such stupid thinking. When you bought CoD4, were you doing it with the expectation that your mone... : OverloadUT
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                      I take it you've never bought a game that was almost nothing like it's predecessors and been dissapointed... : one random winner
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                        Of course I have. But I never felt like the company had "abandoned" me and felt righteous indignation bec... : OverloadUT
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                          I wouldn't call it abandonment, I'd call it ignoring their fan base on the platform. The company owes it... : one random winner
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                            But see that seems just selfish to me. I perfer the game the way they are making it, so why shouldn't I g... : OverloadUT
                            • That was a big draw in COD4 for me see, I've always loved making maps, although I'm still not very good a... : one random winner
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                              a version of the game with the feature set you are looking for already exists, on the consoles. changing ... : brainchild420
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                                No, the feature set I am looking for does not exist on the consoles, because I like all of the benefits t... : OverloadUT
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                                  PS3? (I kid, but seriously) : one random winner
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                                    Wait can you actually use a mouse and keyboard on the PS3? I just got my PS3 so I don't know much about i... : OverloadUT
                                    • they rate limit the turn speed iirc so it's no faster than the gamepad. it would still be way more accura... : brainchild420
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                                  i'll definitely give you that. so what of the 2 systems co-existing? is that too outlandish to work? : brainchild420
                                  • I've said somewhere in this thread that I would personally as a gamer be fine with both coexisting. Part ... : OverloadUT
                    • when you bought CoD4, you bought it with the expectation that it would be similar to the last version, ye... : brainchild420
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                You talk about compairing video games to board games being unfair, and then go on draw an analogy to movi... : noxiousgg
                • Oh wait, my reading fails. Please excuse me while I stab myself in the head repeatedly with a ballpoint p... : noxiousgg
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                  No shit. Read my post again. I said that comparing board games to movies is stupid, and I made an analogy... : OverloadUT
                  • Although even the correct interpretation of my post isn't great. I admit it's not a great analogy. : OverloadUT
        • Did you think that maybe adding all of those options, and making sure they are of high quality, is expens... : jake
    • God this is stupid : OverloadUT
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      I totally agree! I hate running out of money in Monopoly, so I change the rules so I have infinite money... : Derringer
      • God this is stupid : Tchest
    • yes, you can't mod or make dedicated servers for the pc version of monopoly. : sharpie
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    Yes. These are artificial constraints put in place primarily aimed at non-gameplay related things. If t... : ezanga
    • I agree that it sucks that they took out some stuff, but if I made the game, then it's my decision. I'm n... : FrayLo
  • Nope, just means less people will play your game. : ShadowRam
  • Gamers want to create their own experience, it's called interactive. What IW are doing is forcing a movi... : Matt Burris
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    Well you're only an A-hole for not understanding the fundamental basis of sales (in general) - that's the... : wytefang
    • To clarify to Fraylo, I'm not saying that YOU are the A-hole here - I was taking your phrasing as it rela... : wytefang
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  holy shit, this never ends : EvilDolemite
  • Maybe you need to consider MY NEEDS as a video game player. : FrayLo
  • I am not sure if I want the game more because it looks awesome or so people finally stfu. : Evil Benius
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    I cant wait till I can spend my time playing the shit out of the game so I can ignore all the dolts who p... : maulla
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      You know, I think today was the first day that I've posted in a COD/MW2 thread since all of this bullshit... : ateam311
      • Although I don't know if that theory applies for something THAT YOU DON'T EVEN OWN YET. : ateam311
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        Welcome to what has been my hell for the past month! : maulla
        • You know what makes me smile? Knowing that the people who cancelled it for PC will eventually get it anyw... : ateam311
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      yeah, unfortunately we all know you won't ignore them, and will continue posting : brainchild420
      • I wont have to, because they are all going to buy it anyway : maulla
    • Yep, all 6 hours of the SP campaign (confirmed in another thread here by someone with an early release co... : wytefang
• k I'll buy an extra PC copy to make up for it : veras
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  I understand why they are doing what they are doing (development costs, more control over PC gamers) and ... : ramshot
  • Replace last sentence with English. : ramshot
• ok...I think the bitching to the average gamer has ceased generating any more converts. Either you are pi... : byorn
• NO DEDICATED SERVERS!!!!! LOL : Clasifyd
• AWESOME NEWS! A game produced as it was intended!!!!! Picking this up for sure!!!!!!! : mace
• Just put another pre-order in for PS3. Cannot wait! : sukabljat
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  No kicking players? Really wtf is that? : .frame
  • Only from ranked matches. It would be retarded if you could. : OverloadUT
• Microsoft did another round of Xbox Live bans between yesterday and today. I had a lot of people on my... : ErneX
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  The FOV lock is where they lost me. Makes me sick, literally. : NexusOne
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    ya, when sitting close to a computer screen a FOV of 75 or whatever is just wrong. I can't stand Borderla... : vynn
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      If you host the matches, the fov doesn't switch as often. Could also try mapping the FOV to a strafe key... : breadsticks
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        How can a key be bound to perform 2 functions? If so, I'd bind it W so every time I move forward the FOV ... : vynn
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          Instructions are here: http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=79043 I have my modified ... : swampangel
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            Oh, and the problem with binding it to W is that, when you're driving a vehicle, the FOV is locked, and p... : swampangel
            • ok, that makes sense. Thanks! : vynn
            • yeah, except that makes the same "popping" when you are sprinting. it's better on the W/S keys. : brainchild420
  • This is the one thing that I'm worried about too. COD4 caused massive headaches until I was able to bump ... : PointlesS76
  • going to have to agree here. backend gameplay changes are one thing, consoling the FOV so my eyes melt is... : Downforce
  • Canceled my pre-order thanks to this bullshit. With 75 FOV I won't even be able to enjoy the single-playe... : code-e255
• I can't wait to play MW2. So excited, especially after the first one : roushimsx
• holy massive fail, glad I didn't pre-order : vynn
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  When did this place turn into gamefaqs. : ieGod
  • About 2-3 weeks ago? Fucking thing sucks. : FrayLo
  • bring back the good old days when it was gamefags : dantastic
  • I hope it stops when the game comes out : veras
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    Can the admins do something about the non-stop posting of 'I WILL BOYCOTT DHIS GAME BECAWZE..' and 'THAT... : scener
    • don't talk about games on this site! : thebigbeefsandwich
    • How about, you reread my post, and not jump to conclusions. I'm not boycotting or protesting. I hope ... : unholydonuts
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      "- Stop pretending to be personally offended by futile things. Grow up and stop cluttering the board " : AndyGoin
      • ^THIS. Thank you. Someone beat scener over the head with this post until he realizes what he just said. : Rooster Cockburn
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      How dare these gamers talk about games on a gaming site. I agree that there are probably too many th... : atom519
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        my post was about about those non stop 'THATS IT I CANCEL MY PREORDERRRR' posts. Not actual discussion of... : scener
        • So what you're really mad about is people aren't talking about games they way YOU want them to talk about... : AhmNee
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    I want the game to come out just so people will shut the fuck up. It's so terrible. At least we've ha... : geedeck
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      And Dragon Age! : mittense
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        dragon boobs : dantastic
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          careful, you're turning him on : ateam311
          • i did notice morrigan was slightly less well-endowed than the melonfest the game normally is : xsoulbrothax
          • i didnt say cat boobs, we're fine... oh fuck : dantastic
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      fucking BL and torchlight sucks : Chandler55
      • wha?! : dantastic
      • What the fuck is this? : Head Rush
  • Seriously. : mittense
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    No kidding, the chatties have been ruined by these posts : Serpico74
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      really? ruined? you know there are things you can do to avoid them. starting with... not reading them. wh : brainchild420
      • similarly, you could start with not buying MW2 : JINKY
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        I scroll past them all the time, this is the first time I've even commented on it. That said, I still don... : Serpico74
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          I have commented on the retarded PC vs console posts though, those have sprung up fierce over the last fe... : Serpico74
          • i'm beginning to wonder if it's the PC guys, or the console guys that are being "elitist". : brainchild420
    • Gimme a break. THIS is not what is ruining the chatties. : Stoned Gargoyle
    • I though ILTC posts ruined the chatties and even then there is always a collapse button : X-GOUKI
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  :,( , ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you guys are the biggest cry babies : dantastic
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    I'm not crying about it, I'm just not going to buy it at launch. Most of the changes they're making a do... : deject
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      what aren't you doing again : dantastic
      • YOUR MOM, OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHH wait. shit. : deject
  • Nice troll, have a cookies : locater16
• Most of us would prefer you didn't pick it up so we don't have to listen to the bitching. : silent prophet
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  Really frustrating to see the hate on the shack for the "elitist PC crowd". God forbid someone have an o... : malloc
  • what's frustrating is several monster threads each day where people who are upset argue with people who d... : veras
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    It never ends though. If it wasn't the server functionality, it would be the user interface. If it isn't ... : silent prophet
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      Wow that is way too much heartache over people having opinions about new releases. How do you go from som... : Toth21
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        I think you missed the point completely. : silent prophet
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          No I think you did. You're whining louder than the people complaining about missing features. : Toth21
          • the OP doesnt even mention the server browser... who's missing what point? : brainchild420
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      And here you are complaining about the complaining. By the same token of you saying to get over it a... : atom519
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        What I've found is while the complainers and whiners are annoying, those complaining and whining about sa... : AndyGoin
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          Its not the content of the posts that irk me, its just the tone and attitude. You don't like something ab... : silent prophet
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            Personally, I think this place needs more titty pics but HEY! THAT'S JUST ME! Srsly, post some NWS for ... : AndyGoin
            • I would, but I'm at work. :( : silent prophet
          • Sorry, did you say without the melodrama? If there were a melodrama filter, this chatty would be barren. ... : Stoned Gargoyle
  • you didn't subscribe to shackthink, what did you expect was going to happen. : anthonybean
• it's sad, but I will be passing on this as well. : atom519
• Nothing players do at this point is going to change how the game will be released. So I guess we just hav... : Nitrium
• I heard they're not gonna let you have your character dress up in Hello Kitty pajamas, i went to EB and c... : boredguy
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  God, I'm not even gonna bother reading most of these replies. I'm fucking disgusted with my own thread. ... : unholydonuts
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    you're bitching and moaning yourself in the OP. you started this whole thing. your first sentence says ... : dantastic
    • so stop posting in them : brainchild420
    • I'd like to make 2 points: 1. Collapse Thread. 2. Thom's shackfilter. : AhmNee
    • newsflash you're probably the biggest whiner on shacknews : Chandler55
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    Starting off your post with "fuck you, IW" wasn't really a good way to start : FrayLo
    • IAWTP : silent prophet
    • I was just about to post this exact answer : OrkO
    • Respect. It's what the shack's all about. o.o : AhmNee
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      Why? Please answer this, I would love to hear and answer. : Stoned Gargoyle
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        Because attacking a company others love makes them come to their defense and attack the original poster. : Matt Burris
        • Huh, that is not the answer I expected. It is instead, a rather reasonable explanation. Thank You. : Stoned Gargoyle
  • Most of the time I don't agree with you uhd. This time I do. : one random winner
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    Again, it's not your post content, it's the tone. : silent prophet
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      Yes. Please think before you type, Unholy. You're upsetting the shack's sense of decorum. : AhmNee
      • Someone didn't read their shack-provided copy of Robert's Rules of Order. : silent prophet
    • Fuck, you sound like my wife. Tone. hahahaha : Stoned Gargoyle
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    Join the boycott and buy the 360 version! : walker270
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      I am double boycotting it by buying the 360 *and* PS3 versions! : veras
      • Then I shall triple boycott by buying the 360 *and* PS3 *and* PC versions! : walker270
  • I for one enjoyed your post. : fathertime
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    if you want to bitch about something that has literally been bitched about every day for weeks here then ... : grendel
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      there are lots of other conversations that go on here every day, i dont see you crying about those. if yo... : brainchild420
      • yes clearly i have my priorities mixed up. that's why i'll be buying the PC version of MW2 next week and... : grendel
  • Dude, there are 10 of these threads a day and it gets old quick. The tone is a bit over the top. We'v... : FormerHPB
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  Thank you IW for weeding out the most obnoxious and whiny members of the community! Now I will be able to... : OverloadUT
  • Pretty much. : NFXFSX
  • I agree. : marmite
  • that's great. how will the 3 of you decide who plays alone? : brainchild420
  • I'm waiting for the inevitable "Jesus Christ these kids on XBL are fucking annoying" post. : MercFox1
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    And by "just have a fun time", you mean racist rednecks? : socksta
    • Is this a joke? I mean I seriously don't understand what you mean. : OverloadUT
  • youre delluding yourself, these ppl are gonna buy it either way : X-GOUKI
• I read on the internet that the financial crisis of 2007 was due to all of the canceled ModWar 2 preorder... : walker270
• you guys will still end up buying it - don't even try to play it off : kainen1
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  Join Modern Warfare 2 Join the F.A.G.S. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXbQjyL2HZU Seriously infin : Jenings
  • I have no sound - but that's hilarious : dedgecko
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  Just in case people don't know where to find it... I found the article here: http://arstechnica.com/ga... : Demius
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    Cross thread posting now... argh. It'd be reassuring to know that reviewers have played through the PC... : dedgecko
    • I was a little bummed to see the PC reviews of Borderlands were exactly the same as the console versions ... : atom519
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      also after reading that Ars Technica article I got a little concerned. Given that PC gamers are going ... : dedgecko
      • well increasing the FOV in mp is a cheat is it not? Like you couldn't do that in a competitive Q3 or CS m... : derelict515
      • I don't think there's any way it will be that draconian. They can't ban everyone whose game files are sli... : Kerath
  • The first article is falling into the same trap a lot of people here do -- they start inventing bullshit ... : walker270
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  MW2 vs COD4 PC http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/4069/mw2b.jpg umm, yea they are pretty much fucking e... : mrseldowski
  • i thought there was no LAN play : NukemFornever
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    No demo? Wow. : MercFox1
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      Well, that's not actually that bad though. You can feel how the game plays by picking up MW1. : MercFox1
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        yeah but if you want to see how the new features effect you before you purchase it, you are screwed. s... : brainchild420
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          it's not like demos are that ubiquitos. Dragon Age is an entirely new IP and unlike Bioware's recent effo... : derelict515
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            ShackHype can sufficiently replace demos in certain cases. : MercFox1
            • it certainly has it's uses. i can usually tell by who's posting that they dislike it whether i'll enjoy a... : brainchild420
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            but dragon age doesn't have an established feature set that people are expecting to find when they load t... : brainchild420
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              no it's pretty easy, the last game sold a hojillion copies and the vast majority of those people are supe... : derelict515
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                well, that's completely misusing the purpose of a demo. if they wanted people to be able to make well-inf... : brainchild420
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                  what? the purpose of a demo is to excite people to buy your game. If you've already got 8 million people ... : derelict515
                  • right, those 8 million people are exactly why there's no demo. now out of all the PC purchases, how many ... : brainchild420
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    I don't recall there being a demo of cod4 prior to launch ( there was the beta on the 360 - but that's no... : dedgecko
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      October 11, 2007: http://www.fileshack.com/file.x/11247/Call+of+Duty+4:+Modern+Warfare+Demo It was sin... : the archvile
      • hmpf - I wonder why I don't recall grabbing that... I think I was between systems at the time. : dedgecko
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    the only 'good' thing on that list (debatable) that is in the 2nd but not in CoD4, was "Online Profiles S... : Demius
    • Yeah, that's pretty sweet. : atom519
    • That list wasn't biased at all =P : boredguy
  • That's interesting. : LoioshDwaggie
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    How can you know what the average ping is when it hasn't been released yet? Was this in an interview or ... : silent77
    • Yeah I was wondering where that figure came from. : Evil Benius
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      It's called reality. P2P networking causes lag in most cases, due to the technology. : Link.
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        So we might as well throw arbitrary numbers around as fact. : Evil Benius
        • Welcome to arguing on the shack. : walker270
        • otherwise his post count would be 0 : derelict515
        • IW were talking of playing games with 100ms pings commonly in the dev chat most of this is from. So yeah. : Beady
        • My connection is always yellow or red when I play on xbox live. It all depends on your location and the ... : Edges
    • Yea I figure it was an estimate. I just grabbed this from Digg. Also it would be accurate because who wou... : mrseldowski
    • That was what one of the devs said in the Best Buy interview as his average ping while testing the game. : azshack
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      its funny because there wont be any means of measuring ping without console commands oollolooooollolool : ballystix
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        I laughed :( : MercFox1
        • lol, me too. : Mmmmmoo
    • If you're curious, Bungie has a pesentation with average ping and other metrics for the halo series. : LoioshDwaggie
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      My experience with p2p games on the PC is limited in recent years to Company of Heroes, Dawn of War 2, an... : dedgecko
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        Has "ping" in multiplayer games ever been standardized? Comparing numbers across games would be useless ... : walker270
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          I suppose it all depends on how much data is sent per packet from a layman's perspective. That said - ... : dedgecko
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            I'd imagine all games based on the same engine would have similar measures... : walker270
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              Isn't the concept of what "ping" measured pretty clear-cut? : crummynz
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                The concept? Yes, but the concept itself doesn't define a few factors (ex: amount of data) that can chan... : walker270
                • Do some games try to measure total latency by including rendering time and stuff too? That would just ma... : DinK
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                  No, AVP2 had a massive PR nightmare because they measured ping differently and 200-250 ping was considere... : Sgt_Boomstick
                  • Whoops, meant for Crummynz : Sgt_Boomstick
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        doesnt IW provide the servers : Chandler55
        • Originally that's what I thought, but no, it uses the same host migration that the 360 uses, so PC users : dedgecko
  • how dare you bring facts and logic to this discussion! : ballystix
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    What map would be suitable for 32 vs 32? That would be an enormous grenade/spawn kill fest... : saunders45
    • Creek comes to mind, Ambush maybe. 16v16 is probably the maximum that could be considered sane. 64 player... : MercFox1
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    hahahahahahahahaha : maulla
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      that list is so absurd and biased its laughable : maulla
      • That doesn't seem absurd at all. P2P latency and the aforementioned FOV issues are still up in the air at... : MercFox1
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    mechwarrior 2 had none of those things! : Klebold
    • Good observation. Tis truly a sad day. RIP MW2=MechWarrior2. hurfledurf :| My joysticks lament th... : Eldertoad
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    I believe that ping estimation is way false. One thing that people are forgetting is that broadband bandw... : OverloadUT
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      no way can a non-dedicated server host 18 players and keep peoples pings low. unless they are all in the ... : chilln
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        Does not seem impossible to me since consoles regularly have 16 player games on non-dedicated servers. : Evil Benius
        • ModWar 2 has actually created a rift in time causing all broadband connections to be replaced with 14.4 m... : walker270
        • Oh, good point; I don't play consoles. : thief
        • why use existing examples when we can make up things to the contrary?! : derelict515
        • I've played Halo 3 and MW1 on consoles and holy hell is the host advantage huge. And when you arent ho... : Beady
        • I've played rockband at people's houses on their HD TV that didn't know how to properly calibrate their a... : excitebike111
        • TRYING TO PLAY HOCKEY WITH KIDS FROM THE NEIGHBOURING TOWN USED TO TAKE WEEKS TO REGISTER A GOAL HMPFFFFF... : ieGod
        • Its just well hidden. Taken a very powerful PC and put it on a much better than average connection and yo... : socksta
        • You are probably just used to laggy gaming. I've noticed this a lot lately, was playing 1943 with a conso... : Sgt_Boomstick
      • I've done it easily with my FIOS 5mb upload : bozer
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      ...an average cable modem customer can run an 18 player server without much issue. What's the average ... : thief
      • Your second paragraph there reads like gibberish to me. I admit that I am probably wrong about what the a... : OverloadUT
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      false, you need upload bandwidth to host a server, and it hasnt gone up much in the last decade : retarded talking dinosaur
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        sure it has, anyone with FIOS or in an area with FIOS can tell you that. A decade ago I couldn't have got... : derelict515
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          but the number of FIOS customers still pales in comparison to the number of people on cable modems with .... : brainchild420
          • ^^ this. : atom519
          • they don't host anything, whoever has the best connection hosts automatically. So as long as 1 in 16 peop... : derelict515
        • 10 years ago I have 128 kbps upload. I now have 384 kbps upload. What progress. : Jimbo Ro
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        Maybe if you're still on DSL. My upload is at least 8 times faster than it was just 5 years ago. : OverloadUT
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          Wonderful for you, you are not the norm. People with FIOS *DEFINITELY* are not the norm. : retarded talking dinosaur
          • they only have to be 1 per game, it doesn't need to be the norm : derelict515
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            I beg to differ. I just went to Comcast's website and there is a huge offer for high speed internet there... : OverloadUT
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              3mbps upstream on a cable modem isn't enough to host an 18 player server without lagging, and most people... : OMGzImBurning
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                source for the bandwidth requirements? If 3Mbit up isn't enough to host 18 players I'd be surprised : derelict515
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                  You know, on a true 3mbps line, you would be OK, barely, but you're referring to comcast's 3mbps which is... : OMGzImBurning
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                    Ok well your anecdotal experience is trumped by millions of people playing p2p online with PSN and 360 wi... : derelict515
                    • Millions of people playing on consoles with laggy input, laggy televisions, and no concept of what a lagl... : OMGzImBurning
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    so wait, there's no way to manually select which server to join? is that some sort of joke? and no custo... : Supine
    • I think it'll work the same way the consoles work for matchmaking in that uou can party up and you'll be ... : prime8
    • You can choose to join any of your friends playing, so yes there is a way to choose. Outside of that, you... : OverloadUT
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    I thought they said the host wouldn't have the 0 ping advantage? : prime8
    • They did not say that. They essentially said it's not noticeable. : r_picmip 5
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    The host doesn't have a "0 ping" advantage in COD4's multiplayer? .... How? Were there rules saying you... : walker270
    • That is very unlikely. It does happen, but even when it does it's not a HUGE discrepancy between pings l... : excitebike111
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      wow this is completely reasonable. why don't you just find your way out of these threads rather than thro... : brainchild420
      • PC gamers - winning sense of humor : EvilDolemite
      • Hahaha people bitching about MW2 telling others to not have a hissy fit is hilarious. : Evil Benius
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    how can they be "fucking everyone onPC" ? it's a goddamn game. you are purchasing it for what it is, n... : mwasher
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      (gamers' sense of entitlement these days pisses me right the fuck off. goddammit.) : mwasher
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        Entitlement? Okay buddy, first off its a fuckin sequal, hence the 2, you are supposed to improve on the f... : mrseldowski
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          Oh so if they had named it "More Modern Warfare" or Moderner Warfare" then it would be ok? They aren't "... : mwasher
          • Modern Warfare: Electric Boogaloo : electroly
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            Well you quoted me :S , and I highly doubt some of these descions are to make the game "the best it can b... : mrseldowski
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              Yes, in general it is, but this whole PC MW2 permeates every corner of the gaming web right now. An... : mwasher
              • So does the Taliban... : mrseldowski
              • well, if they wanted people to keep buying their PC games, this was a strange way to accomplish that. : brainchild420
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            they are "supposed" to keep their customer base happy, so they will buy future games in a franchise. how... : brainchild420
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              yea let's see how the numbers work out. this collection of people on the internet who are so incredibly ... : mwasher
              • infinity ward is to the point where it is important to make the masses happy. not the vocal internet gam... : mwasher
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                and those same exact people will play the multiplayer for a week or a month and never touch the game agai... : brainchild420
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                  So you would rather not have the game at all? :\ : tohm82
                  • yes, i would rather only play the game on the console if they are just going to half-ass the PC version o... : brainchild420
            • It's a baseless threat. The game is going to make enough money to buy a small island nation across every... : r_picmip 5
            • I don't think that's the case at all. I think Borderlands could have been considered a success even if yo... : silent prophet
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          How much would you like to wager that it outsells CoD4? : maulla
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            on PC? : mrseldowski
            • yes : maulla
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            and how are the sales of a game with no demo an indication of... anything? : brainchild420
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              It's an indication that the news of the nature of the game is not affecting most people's buying decision... : OverloadUT
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                let's make that assumption AFTER the PC version doesn't flop, ok? : brainchild420
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                  The hell? What assumption? Your arguments in this thread are so off-the-wall it's bizarre. maulla s... : OverloadUT
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                    this is certainly a fragmented thought here, too much else going on. sorry, i'll try to clear it up. t... : brainchild420
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                      I see where youre coming from, but a purchase is still a purchase. I offered a wager because of how ridic... : maulla
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                        i would come to the assumption that this move will effect their sales of MW3/CoD6 more so than the curren... : brainchild420
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                          I think its a bit early to make that assumption. 1) who knows who might be developing the next iterat... : maulla
                          • it's more of an assumption that the game now has a limited shelf life(for multiplayer) with no private co... : brainchild420
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                      I wish I still had that link where it talked about the correlation between demos, ads, and game sales. Tu... : ieGod
                      • of course they do, because it lets someone make an informed purchase... i could have saved myself a ton o... : brainchild420
            • It's an indication of where future development is headed, since money dictates all. : ieGod
          • How much you wanna wager that in 1 year or less the COD4 PC multiplayer community will be more active th... : tree8
  • +inf wow finally someone puts it in a chart for the people who can't fathom the discontent. Thank you. : yacoub35
  • Oh dear. A fucking excel spreadsheet. This is just precious. : rasputinreborn
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  where are we at on the single player campaign? estimated length? it still looks cool, but I require a hig... : Downforce
  • Supposedly `5 and 1/2 hrs. I'm probably going to skip it as well since I play mostly single player. The... : AlvinKlein
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  im gonna preorder it on amazon right now : feek
  • I thought you already did you little bastard! : dedgecko
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  here is my re-enactment of this whole thing. PC Gamers: "WAAAAAAAAAH" Console Gamers: "SMUG RESPONSE!... : Dschinghis Khan
  • HAHA THATS WHERE YOURE WRONG I HAVE BEEN POSING WAAAAHHH AND SMUG RESPONSES SO NYAH fuck these threads ge : MercFox1
  • I'd say that's pretty damn close. : project13
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    Gamers: "Woohoo! This game is awesome!" : DarkWolf5
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      SockMonkeh: I'm too busy playing DRAGON AGE anyway! : SockMonkeh
      • yacoub35: Borderlands Borderlands Borderlands Borderlands Borderlands : yacoub35
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    Are you still getting it for PC Khan? : ArcKnight
    • Eventually, i honestly don't give a flying fuck about multiplayer, only played it like once or twice in t... : Dschinghis Khan
  • Console Games, say nothing because they don't know what they're missing : johnlocks
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    My favorite is what Tycho said: You need to know it, because nobody else is going to tell you: you guy : OverloadUT
    • hahahaha : Arctic Fox
    • lol : Mmmmmoo
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  no more dickhead server admins. Hooray! : ultramega
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    Then don't play on their servers. That's like saying some people are bad drivers so we should ban cars. : mathyou
    • It is more like having all cars being banned and saying "Well at least I do not have to deal with dickhea... : Evil Benius
• yep, passing on this. : rmjackson
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  kicking people from ranked matches sounds like an exploit waiting to happen. : dahanese
  • The whole concept of ranked matches is a fucking joke anyway. : Boxelder
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  It's pretty ironic that the sequel actually has much less to offer than the previous game on PC. : Boxelder
  • I think its because we could repackage Pong under the MW2 moniker and it would still sell an ass load. : silent prophet
  • That's how you know when your game has gotten to big, when you can stop caring what the players want. : Dynotaku
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  I wish everyone would just fucking shutup about it. Either decide you're going to buy it or not, but is ... : mwasher
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    Why do you care? We know you're happy with the matchmaking system so just use it and shut up. : Boxelder
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      what? I wasn't even talking about the game. I'm talking about the completely obnoxious reaction by peop... : mwasher
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        That doesn't make sense. I hate you and hope you die. : Boxelder
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          :( :( :( :( :( :( :( : mwasher
          • Save your tears for your MAMA. : Boxelder
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    People have a right to get upset when a (potentially) good game is needlessly hamstrung by shitty PC supp... : Rehevkor
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      It is one thing to be disappointed that something you want is not being included -- but it's a fucking ga... : mwasher
      • Oh, I intend not to buy it, but only because I have zero interest in MW (skipped the first one also). But... : Rehevkor
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      It is not shitty support though, just that their vision of the game does not mesh with yours. I seriously... : Evil Benius
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        PC FPS titles have had dedicated servers, consoles, and mod support for ages. If their vision is to take... : Rehevkor
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          If they wanted to add matchmaking they pretty much had to get rid of dedicated servers and mod support. I... : Evil Benius
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            No, they didn't. --> Left4Dead : LoioshDwaggie
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              Left4Dead does not have matchmaking in the way that IW wants. There is no skill-based matchmaking. : OverloadUT
              • yes, but they tried to implement that and never got it working so they disabled it about 3 months in. tro... : brainchild420
              • It has a rough skill matching system going on. It's not nearly as refined as GameRank, but it is there. T... : LoioshDwaggie
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            Why? Dedicated servers could be up and not take part in the silly e-penis rank system. : Jimbo Ro
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              and how does that work with a rank-based unlock system? : maulla
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                For the dedicated servers use the same system from CoD4? : Jimbo Ro
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                  wasnt that abused to hell, though? : maulla
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                    What? Dedicated servers? Or people unlocking all the guns rather than grinding away for hours at end? ... : Jimbo Ro
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                      yes. i dislike this almost as much as "play the whole game to unlock the harder difficulty level". fuck y... : brainchild420
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                        lol now we're dictating game design decisions to the devs..it just keeps getting better : EvilDolemite
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                          When I don't like the design decisions I dictate that buy not giving them my money. : Jimbo Ro
                          • Exactly - what's ironic is that people with the mindset that "how dare they tell game developers what the... : wytefang
                        • Dolemite we're all guilty of this. : ieGod
                        • lol now we're putting words in other people's mouths. you're a ball of fun, you know that? extending t... : brainchild420
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                      The rank system in cod4 for pc was exploited in what, a matter of hours? Either way, they structured t... : maulla
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                        Sounds like a poor gameplay decision to me if people felt the need to exploit it hours after getting the ... : Jimbo Ro
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                          hahaha. you claim to have loved CoD4 MP and you post this shit? I really dont think you have the sligh... : maulla
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                            I think it's the other way around here. You sound like just another mindless supporter, Maulla, angry th... : wytefang
                            • I shouldn't have said "mindless" that wasn't the term I really wanted...sorry for the insult. : wytefang
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              You do not want to fracture the player base like that for a successful matchmaking system to work. This i... : Evil Benius
              • Yea because most of the "hardcore" gamers that will still be playing on the servers 2 years from now will... : Jimbo Ro
        • it's not that they don't include them - they have stated their "design" is to remove access to them. I c... : dedgecko
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      Why do they have a right to get upset? Why does a game developer owe you anything? They make a game. I... : dltrem
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        I didn't say they owed me anything. I just think it's silly to expect everyone to just say "OHOK" when a ... : Rehevkor
        • *charges, fuck. : Rehevkor
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      Borderlands is not at all comparable. The PC version of Borderlands was marketed as being developed ... : walker270
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        Granted, the situation isn't as bad as with Borderlands, but I have yet to see anyone offer a good reason... : Rehevkor
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          "not a big deal form a technical standpoint" If I had a dollar every time someone said that about soft... : walker270
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            It's not like this hasn't been done in a hundred games already. Plus this is IW we're talking about, I'm ... : Rehevkor
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              What's your job? : walker270
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                i think you try to defend programmers and developers way too hard. we all know that it's a hard job, that... : brainchild420
                • Agreed. I find it very hard to believe that IW couldn't fit a dedicated server into their budget. : Rehevkor
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                  You know, it's a little hard not to get defensive when you get a bunch of people who have no idea what th... : walker270
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                    i completely understand where you are coming from, it just seems that you try to catch every single one o : brainchild420
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                      See, here we have another instance of the same problem. You hear the IW 4.0 engine supports "texture str : walker270
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                        and you are making the same assumptions that i am by claiming to know how their engine is designed just b... : brainchild420
                        • I'm not the one saying a feature is easy and developers are lazy for not including it. I am saying you d : walker270
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        What? They are being told less than 1 month before the product is shipping. Prior to that we were t... : dedgecko
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          did they start taking preorders before or after this announcement? : brainchild420
          • pretty sure pre-orders have been happening since MW2 was announced... but I have no idea TBH : dedgecko
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    Quite frankly, if people stopped discussing everything that annoys someone, there would be no discussion.... : ramshot
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      It's very simple - if you don't agree or it isn't what you want, then don't buy it. And I am not talkin... : mwasher
      • But I feel that's simplifying the issue. If people don't voice their concerns, the developer/publisher wo... : ramshot
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      Fair warning: This is a venting post, so if you don't like em, keep on scrolling. In the last couple o... : ramshot
      • Bah. I is big idiot. Meant to be a new thread. :< : ramshot
  • Yes, truly the only way to combat whining is to whine about whining! : heartsauce
• And the PC version still sells millions of copies! SHACK HATE BE DAMNED! : Nicodemush
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  This thread makes me cry :( : pwnage1232
  • group hug! : silent prophet
  • this thread made me cancel my shacknews pre-order. : Dschinghis Khan
  • Most entertaining thread of the evening! : silentbobuk
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  holy shit another day another thread crying about this shit. fucking unreal. : -=kodiak=-
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    They're crying about MW2, not Unreal. : Dschinghis Khan
    • This deserves more LOL's. : Matt Burris
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    shall i start complaining about the HoN threads cluttering up my morning chatty? : brainchild420
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      I'd rather you just stop posting altogether. :\ : mwasher
      • inconceivable! : brainchild420
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        man i wish : Mr.SEX
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          feel free to use the filter and block me, i could go for a week without any of your bullshit replies just... : brainchild420
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            my just dislike my replies to you because i have no tolerance for your belligerent ignorance : Mr.SEX
            • actually i don't think i've seen you contribute to a single discussion. you just make snide remarks. if y... : brainchild420
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        Pretty much every poster with a marijuana reference in their name is absolutely terrible. : walker270
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          Posts like this aren't exactly intellectual masterpieces either. : silent prophet
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            i love having my opinion completely disregarded because of my username. it's amazing how many people use... : brainchild420
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              oh I had never really paid any attention to you at all until this thread. the weed reference didn't real... : mwasher
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                also I don't really mind you posting I was just being an asshole : mwasher
                • no, i know... you were being funny. that's why you got a vizzini reply and not me crying about you crying... : brainchild420
            • oh I had never really paid any attention to you at all until this thread. the weed reference didn't real... : mwasher
    • Do it in the HoN thread so that when I collapse it like I normally do I will have zero knowledge of your ... : ieGod
  • i'm popping so many boners right now : Eldertoad
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    Don't you understand? Everyone MUST know these guys aren't buying the game. They have to yell it from the... : avatar_58
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      That's the thing though. I find it hard to believe someone as passionate enough about this game to come o... : silent prophet
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        Then why say "I AINT BUYIN IT" then? It's a really retarded thing to do. Almost as bad as all the L4D2 co... : avatar_58
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          probably the same reason that people come on here and post about their relationships and other menial cra... : brainchild420
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            Therapy? But he lied. He sais he won't buy it, when he will. If he said "this is what I do not like about... : avatar_58
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              he will? how do you know he absolutely will buy it? isn't basing that off of silent prophets opinion of b... : brainchild420
              • Yeah, I'm just making educated guesses about what I understand of human psychology. It is my belief thoug... : silent prophet
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                Well if you hate COD that's different but it sounds like this guy loves it. I give him a week or so befor... : avatar_58
                • i'll play your game. he'll regret this thread if it's the last thing we do! : brainchild420
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                  I think you grossly underestimate how distracted gamers can get. MW2 is out? Ok thats pretty cool, but I ... : MercFox1
                  • I've supported IWard since they split and began work on CoD. Back then I was on Arstechnica and other for... : LoioshDwaggie
• I preordered a second copy just to spite you. : TwiLyght
• This shit has me so pissed off that I just ordered it from amazon because I only play it for the campaign... : Prozium
• MY PC GAME. : magistersmax
• I had a roommate who purchased one of those awful large crt HDTVs like 5 years ago. There was no HD conte... : socksta
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  I thought this arstechnica article covers it well: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/11/pc-modern-w... : slickdoody
  • the whole "there is no official host" part is the worst. people are going to be hoppping on and off ga... : chilln
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  Well I hope MW2 sells poorly enough on PC that they'll be forced to drop the price down sooner than they ... : heartsauce
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    I hope MW2 PC sells so well that the IW forum-goers commit mass suicide and it remains full price until 2... : veras
    • At least the sequel would have better PC support... theoretically anyways, that or they go "Hey, we can t... : one random winner
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      I hope you like dumpsters and not breathing. : heartsauce
      • serendipitously, those are two of my absolute favorite things : veras
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    And these changes turn otherwise legitimate PC buyers into pirates...probably : MuteMode
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      Why would one steal a game you feel is shitty and not worth playing? That doesn't make sense. : avatar_58
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        Singleplayer : MuteMode
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          and the hope to play on hacked servers (if they become available) : MuteMode
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            If you want to play it then the game is worth buying. Doing otherwise is not "sticking it to the man" it ... : Evil Benius
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              I'm not defending piracy here - just saying what is going to happen. : MuteMode
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                That doesn't make sense - that means you WANT the game. Ergo it's worth the money. Otherwise it sounds li... : avatar_58
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                  I want a lot of things, that does not automatically make them worth their cost. Just because we all "w... : brainchild420
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                    Right, but if you want to play it and pirate the game to play it you are scum. If the price is too high t... : Evil Benius
                    • yeah i don't want to justify him pirating the game, but if they change things that make you not want to b... : brainchild420
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      legitimate pc gamers turn into pirates because they are douchebags, not because of changes to a game. : maulla
      • it's just another symptom of retarded gamer entitlement syndrome "they didn't make the game exactly like ... : veras
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    There is full steam integration for MW2 on PC. So we get steam cloud for settings, right click and go for... : project13
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      whats this, another level headed pc gamer? where have you been in all of these clusterfuck threads? :( ... : maulla
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        maulla, in all fairness - you come across like a rabid CoD fanboy who couldn't care less what changes to ... : atom519
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          Ive stated several times that Im purchasing the game on both systems, and played CoD4 on both systems. ... : maulla
          • whoops thought this was for a different reply : maulla
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            And if you've read any of the previous threads that I was stupid enough to take part of, you would see th : maulla
            • Fair enough, but you realize it goes both ways and you are just as adamant about letting EVERYONE know YO... : atom519
      • I've been avoiding them. I tend to trust what the devs like Valve and IW put into the game though. Thi... : project13
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      Pretty sure you're friends have to be between rounds in order for you to "hop-on" and join their party. : dedgecko
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        Pretty sure you can still join their server since they are on your friends list. : r_picmip 5
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          ....pretty sure that it's all player hosting unless I completely misread the interview. : ninj0rc
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            Yes. Your point? : r_picmip 5
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              That there will not be any servers to join. : ninj0rc
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                I dont think you understand matchmaking : maulla
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                  Well...my experience with matchmaking: you (or your party) search for a game. Game is found, host is sel... : ninj0rc
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                    If MW2s matchmaking is anything like MW1's, then joining mid game is allowed and functions. I cant thi : maulla
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                      Well, I never played MW1 on the PC so I clearly have no idea what I'm talking about. The only matchmakin... : ninj0rc
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                        You can join MW1 games mid-match on 360 if there is an empty player slot. : maulla
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                          Been quite some time since I played, but I really don't recall that being possible. Doesn't mean I'm rig... : ninj0rc
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                            I am 100% certain you can join in on playlists, as long as there is an empty slot. It might have been pat... : maulla
                            • Well, at any rate, here's hoping that the same is possible for PC players of MW2. I don't mind 9v9; any ... : ninj0rc
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                      Didn't play CoD 4 / WaW so I have no idea... However Halo 3 / Gears 1/2 didn't allow this. : dedgecko
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                        I wasnt sure about gears. I thought you could join mid match, but not mid round. I was 99% sure you co... : maulla
                        • definitely can't in Halo 3 : derelict515
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        I think the direct comparison is you've refreshed the server browser and your favorite server(s) or the o... : project13
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          ON XBox Live MW1, once the game starts there is no joining it. Hopefully MW2 on the PC will have drop in... : ninj0rc
          • Clearly there is conflict in information. He's stating that 360 in progress games can be joined. : project13
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            No - you're assuming something wrong - there was no drop in / drop out on the PC because it was a dedicat... : dedgecko
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              That's what I thought. Which leads me back to my original belief: matchmaking (in which a single player ... : ninj0rc
              • i join games in progress all the time in WaW and COD MW. : FrayLo
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  this GIRL agrees with you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3GgDyVJZxM yeah. a girl. : Cihte
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    Hot : MuteMode
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      Seconded. And she's a pc gamer. Hot.. : AgentPothead
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        And she looks like jailbait... EOT : dedgecko
        • "mmmm u got good dick sucking lips " You never fail youtube. : ant_hillbilly
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  http://weblogs.variety.com/the_cut_scene/2009/11/dedicated-servers-and-rage-news-you-probably-dont-want-t... : Jonathan
  • oh fun, more threads like this! : walker270
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    haha oh god someone is going to have to declare martial law : veras
    • burn it down burn it all down kill all console developer traitors, PC über alles : DeBurgo
  • Carmack is wisely saying "NOTHING IS SET IN STONE GODDAMN" : MercFox1
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    This is exactly why the IW situation is frustrating. EA, other devs are looking at this to see what PC g... : ezanga
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      this conspiracy stuff is hilarious because 'what will gamers tolerate' suggests this is somehow lazy of t... : veras
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        If you don't think that other developers and publishers haven't wanted to do this for some time but were ... : ezanga
        • the openness of the PC that you were praising in an earlier post is the exact same reason why there will : DeBurgo
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  The reason these threads are hapenning every single fucking day seems to me that more information comes o... : abrasion
  • ^^^^^^ this : ezanga
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    exactly right. Every day some new (bad) info comes out, starting another shitstorm. : slickdoody
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      and the same people that didn't read what it was about yesterday assume it's about the same thing today. ... : brainchild420
      • other than me :) : brainchild420
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      FOV locked at 35, Keyboard support removed and gamepad added within a week at this rate. Press A to jump... : abrasion
      • oh holy crap, it wouldn't surprise me if they removed custom key bindings on PC, and then claimed that th... : slickdoody
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    Yea, the other difference is that PC borderland day-one purchasers were slammed with all the problems IMM... : dedgecko
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      Left for Dead 2 weapon models I heard about that yesterday :( http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=213286... : abrasion
      • Yea, I heard about it too which is why I decided to fire up the demo real quick (didn't have time to setu... : dedgecko
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      Well see how people react once the game is released.. I'm sure PC gamers will still complain and console ... : razlebol
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        PC Gamers who are complaining about it, and subsequently won't buy it, will have all their information fr : MercFox1
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          People will always complain. You can still buy it even though you don't like the changes though. And mayb... : razlebol
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            Wow.. Maybe I should have read that before hitting post.. : razlebol
            • I really really really want to buy it after enjoying CoD4 so much, but if it comes down to "Supporting IW... : MercFox1
  • Abrasion is exactly right. At least if they had all done this on one day we would've had a hurricane-size... : MercFox1
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    Yeah, okay, I can agree with this. The PC version does look like its getting gimped, but some of the melo... : silent prophet
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      The melodrama would be over if it was one big boom but it's being leaked out at such a consistent pace at... : abrasion
      • Again, that makes a lot of sense. I agree. : silent prophet
      • yeah i don't care about this particular game in the slightest. what i do care about is the toilet bowl th... : brainchild420
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    no, the information has been known a while. just that dumb fucks dont bother to actually go out to fin... : -=kodiak=-
    • Given that most of us do not venture beyond the chatty... : dedgecko
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      Known by you, not by the community at large dude, it's hitting the 'regular' internet and not just specia... : abrasion
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        dont be stupid. It's the official forum for a huge ass anticipated game. Yea, there's a LOT of stupid dum... : -=kodiak=-
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          you should be able to set custom resolutions that won't overscan your TV in your viodeo card drivers. i h... : brainchild420
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            *facepalm* seriously.... really. Wow. Just wow. : -=kodiak=-
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              i hope that's because you didn't realize that... i don't care much about your mega-rant but i saw that i... : brainchild420
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                they why bother replying? : -=kodiak=-
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                  because if your tv is overscanning you can probably fix it? fine, screw you and the 10% of the games y... : brainchild420
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                    You know why it's not fixed? Because it dont bug me enough to pay someone to come over here to rip my tv ... : -=kodiak=-
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                      boith ati and nvidia allow you to resize any TV output in their drivers, then the custom resolution it cr... : brainchild420
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                        This is why i facepalmed you in the first reply. Because you have no fucking clue, at all, about what im : -=kodiak=-
                        • why don't you stop shitting up a PC thread with replies about your 360 then? or say "hay, i'm talking abo : brainchild420
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                  plus, why be such a douche? you could have just said "no, i tried that and it didnt fix anything" i gu... : brainchild420
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                    fine, ill feed you some more, but no more. Im fucking sick of it all honestly. When my PC did work, it... : -=kodiak=-
                    • yeah, people trying to help you deserve you to be a douche to them. you must have lots of friends in the ... : brainchild420
        • Yea, there's a LOT of stupid dumbass shit to wade through to get some real info Man, what a bunch of d... : atom519
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          I don't think the issue has anything to do with the actuals of the game. These daily threads are about I... : ezanga
          • * conversations HAVEN'T dealt : ezanga
  • I don't really follow these threads much, but yeah, they just keep surprising PC gamers with more dumb sh... : valael
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    I'll give you FOV, but the game is hardly "butchered" : maulla
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      NO LEAN???? IT'S BUTCHERED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : Downforce
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        FOV, Lean, Dedicated Servers, Console disabled, I'd say it's an apt description - but I don't recall usin... : abrasion
        • haha, I know. the FOV thing is a crippling fuckup among many. it will be borderlands-esque with pages of ... : Downforce
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    I think it's also a bunch of "hardcore"PC gamers finally realizing they're no longer the target audience ... : walker270
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      So Infinity Ward is not utilizing the comparative advantages of the PC, instead choosing to homogenize th... : MercFox1
      • Better yet . . . That would be like developing for the Wii and using that version for the PS3, X360 a... : ezanga
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        If their sales projections put the 360 version outselling the Wii version 4:1 and most of the Wii users t : walker270
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          That opens up several cans of worms though. May I elaborate? If the 360 version is outselling 4:1, but... : MercFox1
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            You have to allocate resources to support dedicated servers? Where did I imply you had to allocate resou... : walker270
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              Well, if CoD4 didn't have all this stuff (Read: PC gamers were pampered) then I don't think a lot of peop... : MercFox1
              • What features CoD4 included has absolutely no relevance here. CoD6 is more than just a map pack on top o... : walker270
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            You're assuming that every one of those PC users is going to lament matchmaking, the loss of the console,... : derelict515
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              the slice gets smaller and smaller. first it's about a 15% slice of PC gamers. then out of that there i : EvilDolemite
              • yeah, I could repost the quotes from Epic about only 50% of UT2004 players going online even once (a fran... : derelict515
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      everything's the same across all platforms In other words, standardizing on the limitations of console... : ezanga
      • There's a lot of butthurt ex-PC players here. Determined to defend any change IW makes as positive and d... : tree8
      • I never said it was a positive or forward progress. All I've said is it's an expected and predictable ... : walker270
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      Thats just the thing though. They wouldn't have to go out of their way to leave dedicated servers, consol... : guyver-za
      • It is a nice dream to think this will be so reviled that the industry will learn a lesson and not try to ... : LoioshDwaggie
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  why are they shifting away from dedicated servers? what is the other option? who runs the servers? : dignan
  • shit, supposed to be in the RAGE thread : dignan
  • your PC runs the server for the match if it's decided that it's the best system to run it between the 18 ... : dedgecko
• Ouch, most of the complaints for the PC version I didn't care much about as I don't do much, if any, mult... : Matt Burris
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  dorks. im pretty sure this situation is a scapegoat for pent up rage that pc gamers have been harboring f... : spiderfill
  • fucking cookie monster :( : atom519
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  I hope this outrage by PC gamers prompts IW to build in a sort of virtual dedicated server feature on all... : LemonJoose
  • People have tried to suggest systems that combine servers and the whole matchmaking thing many times befo... : Tchest
• Do IW and its publisher gets any kind of ongoing licensing payments for dedicated servers? If so, why wou... : silent prophet
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  ehh cod mp has never been fun to me but I hope this makes pc gamers start looking toward good games from ... : Benefit
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    EA could take advantage of it - depends on the success of the mp beta/demo come december. : dedgecko
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      but it also depends on how bad (if it is even really as bad as feared) MW2 is. : dedgecko
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        MW2 could have amazing MP, but without the community and larger sever sizes, if there's a competing game ... : Dynotaku
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          Wrong - if the latency is low - and enough people keep their friends entertained - the players will be th... : dedgecko
          • sorry, I do agree with you - the staying power of an non-modifiable game is definitely going to be reduce... : dedgecko
    • I REALLY hope EA jumps on this and pushes to champion PC mp FPS's with BF BC2. That series could go from ... : Sgt_Boomstick
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  I for one enjoy these daily MW2 threads. Very entertaining. Pass the popcorn. : shyguy74
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    575 replies is impressive, is there a shack record? : peat
    • when carmack posts "just kidding, quake5 gone gold w/ dedicated servers" it will break records : Downforce
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  I give up console gaming wins. It's over everyone go home. : hirosushima
  • Yep. We had a good run. : Sgt_Boomstick
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  Why do people assume that you should be awarded shit like this? Some games you can mod and tweak some you... : two50six
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    It was in every single other game of the series. So why not expect features that have been around in the ... : azshack
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      because apparently you should just shut up take it in the pooper like the console guys :) : brainchild420
      • thank god you're here to defend these threads! : grendel
    • I get that, but things that usually were done in the form to offer longevity with 3rd party content (mods... : two50six
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  WHAT FUCK!? I just found out that Super Mario bros. didnt come with any mod tools! : two50six
  • woah I didnt realize how f'in big this thread got. : two50six
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    that's probably the worst analogy in this thread, good job : peat
    • I was totally being serious, good job also! : two50six
• Please stop abbreviating it as MW. Makes me think of MechWarrior and I get all excited. :( : Gary the Llama
• I thought this might have been an HoN thread for a sec. ;D : Techy007
• i hope that's not true about FOV. Low FOV on PC gives me a splitting headache every time. : Mansmells
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  6 more comments to get this thing to 600! : Dschinghis Khan
  • Now it's four! we can do this! : Dschinghis Khan
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  This is the beginning of the end for PC gaming as we know it. Closed systems are just more profitable an... : herradura99
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    DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooOOooOOoooOOoooooOOMMSSSSSSSSSDAYYYYYYYYY : mwasher
    • Ministry - Grace : the archvile
  • Yes! 600! We're number 1! we're number 1! : Dschinghis Khan
  • First they came for the password codes, and I did nothing. They came for shareware releases, and I did... : ArcKnight
  • But Epic just released the UDK for free today. It might be a happy day for some. : Sludgehead
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    oh please. there will always be moddable games, the pc is not going anywhere. : pandastrong
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      We're just not going to see Infinity Ward make any more moddable games. : the archvile
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        with all those great CoD4 mods, what a sad day this is. : pandastrong
        • did you know Hello Kitty Online does not have end game raid content? I mean what the fuck?? it's the en... : mwasher
    • No way, maan! PC gaming is dead, maan. Ain't nowhere left for us to go, maan. We gotta get consoles or ge... : Dschinghis Khan
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    PC gaming as it was during the late 90s/early-00s hasn't existed for a few years now. The idea that PC t... : walker270
    • So is wearing two different colored socks to work, siigh. :( : Dschinghis Khan
  • I'm sure it began a long time ago. These "beginning of the end" comments just get posted each time a majo... : Mmmmmoo

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  The percentage is how much left there is to download from its previous starting point. It doesn't delete... : DrWaffles
  • Yeah, but it wouldn't accelerate beyond the point of 50kb/s and steam was really unresponsive - something... : ramshot
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    It does that automatically for performance reasons. It doesn't tell you though which catches people. : LoioshDwaggie
    • This - I fell for it witht he L4D2 demo. : Creepin_Jeezus
    • I know that's the case, but I wish they'd allow me to manually throttle the download if anything. Pullin... : DrWaffles
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  As far as i know, when you play a steam game, downloading stops. period. It isnt a server capacity, ... : Jinxplayer
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    and it isnt Valve's fault that borderlands brings down steam when it closes, steam was out long before BL... : Jinxplayer
    • Worst argument ever. Not saying its true or not (I don't work for Gearbox or Valve) but to say something... : SlingBlaze
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      Newsflash: Borderlands does not bring Steam down when it closes. Something is wrong or unstable with his ... : yacoub35
      • I never said Borderlands "brought Steam down". Quitting Borderlands, in this particular case and under th... : ramshot
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    Uhm, but my point was that Steam SHOULD allow me to download while I play. And btw, I got it to do so ... : ramshot
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      Also, now I've left Steam completely alone and haven't played anything, and still I get no more than 1Mbi... : ramshot
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        not that i don't understand your frustration but the price you pay for your internet service in no way me... : dromo5
        • I know they are not obligated, that was not at all my point. If I had meant that, I would have said so. :... : ramshot
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        Are you downloading at 1 megabyte per second from Steam? Because that's nearly the capacity of your 10 me : Goncyn
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          If you read my post again, I said 110, not 10. :) : ramshot
          • Ah, sorry, based on context in your other posts I assumed that was a typo for 10. : Goncyn
    • Yeah, I download games/updates while playing Steam games quite often. : ninj0rc
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  Protip: Use logmein to start downloading from work next time. : Kerath
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    can't you preload the damned thing? : one random winner
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      This might have been possible but I didn't want to pay 60 euros (89 dollars, I got the special version as... : ramshot
      • Ah, well, that blows. : one random winner
  • This is how I roll. : hrdwregk
• i'd almost say something is messing with Steam. I have encountered some issues the past week, updates upd... : ghost hacker
• I also have these issues happen alot (here in Canada) but I've learned when I'm downloading a new game th... : SlingBlaze
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  Pretty much everyone deals with the same stuff you mention in your last paragraph. We pay the same price ... : crummynz
  • Yeah, fair enough. That makes fixing all that even more important, though. :) : ramshot
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  I always remote in from work if I want to load a game that launches when I'm not home. : Jimbo Ro
  • Call me a bit of a hippie, but I don't like keeping my machine running 24/7 just "in case", and I was und... : ramshot
• Waaahhh I can't download 15 gigs in a few hours :..( : emcea
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  why is it 15 gigs anyway, retail is 1 DVD : headbone
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    Compression. Impulse download is ~8GB and it spent most of its install time decompressing textures and au... : CoreContingency
    • It's probably faster to decompress that 8GB then download the extra 7 gigs : headbone
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  As I am typing this, Steam just stopped responding again at about the same download point. Weehaa. Why Va... : ramshot
  • Oooookkkkay.... This just keeps on getting weirder and weirder. I had to kill the process again, and now ... : ramshot
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    Heh, this just keeps on getting weirder and weirder. I had to kill Steam again and now after starting it ... : ramshot
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      And now Shack is lagging on me too, sorry for double/triple post... :P : ramshot
      • You are about to enter an alternate dimension, I hope you're wearing a wetsuit. : one random winner
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  It's just what Steam does. I've long since known that if I'm downloading something on Steam, do not play ... : CoreContingency
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    As I said in a post above, I figured out that choosing "pause download" and then "resume" while already i... : ramshot
    • Well not really as it seems to have fuked up yer download of the game royally. : dante2010
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  http://koti.kapsi.fi/ramshot/give_it_to_me.png That will serve as proof that I've been lied to when I ... : ramshot
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    Ok, so, it works. Get a life Shack, I'm going dragon hunting. : ramshot
    • God I wish I was home right now. Only three hours to go...and then another two before the little guy goe... : ninj0rc
    • Right, have to go sleep now. First 2 hours were pretty good, I like the fact that it's technically solid ... : ramshot
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    Y'know, it probably doesn't help your d/l speed to have uTorrent running while you're dowloading 15GB of ... : mn3m0n1c
    • lol, i would definitely check to make sure that you aren't seeding the 200GB of goat porn you downloaded ... : brainchild420
    • It wasn't doing anything. :) : ramshot
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  I think you can simply unpause it after starting a Steam game without issue. You had an unlucky crash(pro... : Zek
  • Oh also, IIRC the Steam download bar always starts at empty, 0% being the amount of content it had at the... : Zek
• impatience is a bitch. I let it ride and steam delivered dragon's age during the zerg without issue. : Downforce
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  This is exactly why I don't purchase games that I'm desperate to play right away from STEAM. Went with I... : wytefang
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    I've never experienced this, but I'd still choose Steam regardless to have all my digital games available... : pyide
    • Agreed - I like Steam but Impulse has a few things I like better in some areas. I use both, actually. : wytefang
• Can you go out and take pictures of Finnish girls and upload said pictures for us? : kramweil
• I'm not even planning on trying to play L4D2 until 2 days after release. : ADSliv

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• Yeah, that would be very bad. : Anti_dentite
• Ummmm, not cool. : Sgt_Boomstick
• The fuck is this shit? : stelth
• Having followed the Canadian copyright situation for a while now, I can honestly say that this is the dum... : spiffymc
• Oh it gets better too! "Federal trade agreements do not require parliamentary approval. Only the signatur... : spiffymc
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  I didn't vote for them. They've already fucked up our 3rd party internet services. They are trying to sto... : terath
  • should be "over standing up for rights and the little guy" I'm tired. :( : terath
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    They already did stop one newcomer. I was pumped to see a new cell phone company called Wind planning to ... : Mmmmmoo
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      I think they are still trying to appeal it, but yeah, that's what I was referring to. :( : terath
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        Also I guarantee you that if it was a big US company instead of a middle eastern owned company, they woul... : terath
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          Like Virgin mobile? Or is that a different situation entirely? : Haxim
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            Good question. I don't actually know the details. Suffice to say Bell bought out Virgin, so once again we... : terath
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              Virgin Canada was always 50% owned by Bell, until Bell bought out the whole company. Since the purchase, : TwiLyght
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                Thats all completely irrelevant. We desperately need competition in this area. : terath
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                  Besides, all you are saying in the end is "let's support the companies not the people". The people need c... : terath
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                    It's only in textbooks that says competition will reduce prices. In the real world, this isn't always th... : TwiLyght
                    • The new company Wind was planning on introducing aggressive pricing to get customers. Also, when we had c... : terath
      • Yeah. Last I read, they were going to appeal. I hope they get a chance to set up and not get bought out b : Mmmmmoo
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      In this case it was legit though. By Canadian law, a telecommunications company has to be majority owned... : TwiLyght
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        I'd sooner invite international trade than live with substandard services. We had plenty of competition b : terath
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          Also dont' quote me on the specifics of that last line, going by what a friend said. I should research it... : terath
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            Residential cable or DSL is $20-50 US/month for 512Kbit-2MBit. Net cafes charge $1-2/hr. I have friends... : TwiLyght
            • I think he was referring to their cell service, not DSL, but I still doubt it which is why I said don't q... : terath
        • Plenty of competition? There were only five companies: Rogers, Bell, Clearnet, Fido and Telus. Telus ... : TwiLyght
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  NDP! NDP! NDP! : Milleh
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    You know, I think I'm going to go with the Geen party this time around. Time for some new blood. : terath
    • ugh, green party. Typing while tired is worse than typing while drunk I think. : terath
    • The Ed Gein Party would welcome some new blood : Dave-A
  • get rid of layton and then we can talk. : unsound
• lol that sounds like it would employ a level of competence never before seen in the federal government. i... : gokart.
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  what is wrong in theory with not allowing people to pirate? Seems like an ok rule to me. : DogDharma
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    granted, i don't live in canada, so maybe its the execution you are worried about. : DogDharma
    • You're not going to have to live in Canada - ACTA's an international treaty headed by the US. And it suck... : Conan
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    You don't see a problem with banning someone from the Internet for a year after three accusations of copy... : Arcanum
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      I guess thinking about it more.... copy write infringement is very broad. I was thinking more along the ... : DogDharma
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        also, I didn't read the article before posting. I assumed it was upon being convicted 3 times. : DogDharma
        • in short I need to STFU : DogDharma
        • Nope. You just have to have someone complain about you to your ISP three times. In the US it probably w... : Arcanum
• Just shut down the internet for the whole country and save on lawyer fees. ;) : SeaLlama
• Shit like this is why I don't vote Conservative. : Whistler77
• They will make it through the budget, and there is little to no guarantee that this new copyright law wil... : unsound
• ACTA pisses me off so much. Civil law shouldn't be discussed in secret. : Conan
• If someone infringes copyright, they should send them to meet that cowboy from Mulholland Drive. "You wil... : Dave-A

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  HOLY CRAP the new newegg sucks. wtf it's terrible! : slickdoody
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    Whoa what happened...I have to scroll to do anything useful. Horrible re-design. : Rasnowl
    • exactly, all the useful info is towards the bottom, meanwhile the page is covered in combo deals and add-... : slickdoody
  • Hahaha, looks like an Amazon page. :D They need to re-do the "Learn more..." section, it looks like the p... : mn3m0n1c
  • Wow...that IS horrible. What the fuck? The old design was perfect. : aggressor
  • it's like CNN font size 72 action with console'd huge menus :( : Downforce
  • Wow, that is awful. Why does it take 4x the amount of space to tell me the specs now? : slax0r
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    ..... and now they're back to the old design. hrmm : slickdoody
    • The magic of the shack! : slax0r
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      I was so confused by these posts! : SockMonkeh
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        haha me too! : datoo
        • same! : shyguy74
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        screenshots http://www.shackpics.com/files/stupidnewegg1PNG_iglr11hok7xgfwz2x839.png http://www.shackpi... : slickdoody
        • Apparently we're all blind now. : omnova
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          this is undoubtedly in the future and not a fluke. looks like they AMAZON'D it. that really sucks. way le... : retarded talking dinosaur
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            Or trying to branch out to more people? You aren't getting less information you might have to scroll a bi... : Chod
            • there's just a ton of wasted space, and instead of using a tabbed interface to get between information, t... : slickdoody
        • yuck : askedrelic
        • WOW. I almost threw up. Someone fire whoever designed that before they "design" again. : yacoub35
        • Holy fuck. That is awful. : Link.
        • consolized!!!!!!! uguh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : JINKY
      • Yeah, I had no idea what anyone was talking about. : Conan
  • I'm more put off by the price. A $40 increase is nuts. : omnova
  • Didn't you know, Web 2.0 means 2.0 times the useless white space.. Duhhh : dealie
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  Seems like such overkill. My 4870 shreds through Dragon Age with everything maxed up like its nothing. : Pacalon
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    Crysis : slickdoody
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      then you might wanna wait for the next nvidia card. : gokart.
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        If you think the next Nvidia card is going to be faster than the 5870, you'll be in for a surprise. : Link.
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          well "technically" the next card, you're right. i'm sure they have a few more G200-based cards to push to... : yacoub35
          • Someone forgets the Geforce 5 launch.. : dealie
          • as of this pint, the g300 is vaporware. When it's released, it could change the game, and I hope it does... : slickdoody
        • you might wanna peep the benchmarks in crysis. gtx295 beats the 5870 by like 30% : gokart.
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  Just waiting on a drop for the 5770 myself... : kagath
  • Just get a 4870. It's cheaper and faster. : Link.
• It's out of stock now (and the out of stock page has the old layout. Awesome.) : aggressor

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• Officially, the end of an era. : Sgt_Boomstick
• "I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man." : Clay
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  Way to get him to expound on that, Chris. One of the largest brains on the issue is on the end of your m : Lunatic Angelic
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    Dude, have you ever spoken to Carmack? He talks a mile a minute - and human fingers don't type that fast.... : MorrisatCNN
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      that's what recorders are for! : c0bra
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        I stopped using those. They're a real slowdown when you're on deadline and very, very easy to get depende... : MorrisatCNN
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          You can't take notes and record at the same time? What kind of a journalist are you? >:( : Lunatic Angelic
          • a gaming journalist :D : scener
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            Of course I can, but my deadlines are typically a bit different than people who just write for game-centr... : MorrisatCNN
            • I think you know how to do your job better than anyone else here. Fuck em : dantastic
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  iD hasn't been at the forefront of online FPSes for a long time. It'll be over when Valve says it's over. : Zek
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    http://weblogs.variety.com/the_cut_scene/2009/11/dedicated-servers-and-valve-news-you-probably-dont-want-... : spiderfill
    • lol I clicked : GoodBoy
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    [sigh] Obligatory: id has never spelled their name lower-case i, upper-case D. : LeapingFool
    • maybe he's referring to Intranet DASHBOARD http://www.intranetdashboard.com/press/db_press_downloads.a : lja83
• NERD RAAAAAAAAAAAAGE : jason bergman
• Oh no he didn't. : ant_hillbilly
• Here we go. : tree8
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  hahahahahaha. at least the trolls will have something to bitch about after MW2 comes out : maulla
  • see, that's more like your usual posts on the subject. : yacoub35
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  Not surprising since Doom 3 moved away from dedicated servers years ago. : nudel
  • Doom 3 barely even qualified as a multiplayer game. : Zek
  • They did add dedicated servers but the game online was already pretty much dead.. : razlebol
  • I think their intent was clear when they showed quakelive's direction. Besides, Rage is primarily a si... : eisencc
  • Doom 3 MP was a fucking joke. : Godhatesfatpeople
  • hehe. : DOOManiac
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  VARIETY?!? Chris... what. The fuck? : Mad Brahmin Disease
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    If there's anyone I'd support a name change for, it'd be Morris. : kek
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      Yeah, but then I'd be MorrisatCNBCVarietyOfficialXboxMagazineYahooGamesAOLVentureBeatandafewotherplaces ... : MorrisatCNN
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        ChrisAtFreelance : Mad Brahmin Disease
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          thejournalist : dirge23
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            "Chris Morris" would work pretty well I think. : kek
            • who? : Mad Brahmin Disease
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              Then it sounds like I work *here* : MorrisatCNN
              • MorrisatLatestChatty. Then it is settled. : ihya
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                WhereintheworldisChrisMorris : CoRDS
                • *chikka chikka* : c0bra
                • MorrisAtTigerBeat : Ride-My-Rocket
        • ChrisAtLarge would be awesome. : Kentor
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  I wonder what Derek Smart has to say on this. : Link.
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    No dedicated servers for Battlecruiser 3000AD : smackpiece
    • Brb cancelling my CE pre-order. : hoov1185
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  it's cool, I'm sure a bunch of sweaty dudes who live in their mom's basement will tell Carmack why they u... : veras
  • also in before "Carmack hasn't been relevant since X" : veras
• Haha. : stump
• I don't get this - the most reliable solution to avoiding NAT issues and developers are dumping it? : Jonathan
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  That's it. How should I commit suicide? : sanchez
  • Do that falling on your own sword thing. It sounds painful. : scottythejock
  • break up a bunch of MW2 discs into jagged shards and eat them : veras
  • Play Daikatana. It's a Romero game, but still : mem
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    Strap yourself to one of Carmack's rockets? : ) : pixelat3d
    • Zing! i really wish he would quit building them, no-one yet seems to have the heart to tell me it will ne... : Klebold
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCXmYMPEAlc : datoo
  • death by snu snu : Mmmmmoo
  • you always got twisted metal 2 : Chandler55
• lol. Here we go! : kingdepork
• Ooops, I forgot about the search lag when I made my post. : SiW.
• Next thing you know Counterstrike 2 will not have dedicated servers. Holy shit. That will be the day t... : MercFox1
• “The great thing is we won’t have to be a pioneer on [moving away from dedicated servers],â... : Masem
• so glad this stuff doesn't affect me in the least. : waxthirteen
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  Aaanyway.. I thought Rage was focused on single player, and the reason people are up in arms about MW2 is... : SiW.
  • I didn't even know RAGE had multiplayer. Doesn't strike me as a big deal. : MercFox1
• Just play Valve games online. : MuteMode
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  why are they shifting away from dedicated servers? what is the other option? who runs the servers? : dignan
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    p2p : veras
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      wait... am I wrong, or does that mean the host will always have the advantage of ~0 latency? : Home Nugget
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        and everyone else has the latency of twice the average residential connection. This is why we hate it. : NexusOne
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          Latency is actually lower for peer 2 peer since you can send data to the players who need it directly, ra... : uncleanmonkey
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            It's only lower between the host and other people. It's still higher between the other folks in the game... : .frame
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              Since it's peer to peer everyone sends their data to everyone else who needs it. This is better for laten... : uncleanmonkey
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                Regardless of what you say about latency and whether or not its true, it's well know fact, even at LAN pa... : GoodBoy
                • The player hosting a game in a client/server architecture has an advantage, yes. In peer to peer there is... : uncleanmonkey
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            except it usually isn't fully peer 2 peer, its one of the peers acting as a host. : NexusOne
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              That's a rare exxception. Usually one of the peers act as a host in the sense that it's matchmaking and m... : uncleanmonkey
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                I dont think there are any games that are actually peer to peer other than RTS games, and even then a lot... : Beady
                • Peer to peer is absolutely standard practice (we've done it for multiple titles). I can't imagine anyone ... : uncleanmonkey
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                  And and all games have a "host" but that doesn't mean it's not peer to peer. You just need someone to hol... : uncleanmonkey
                  • Great info for someone like myself in here. I only game on PC anymore and didn't understand the differen... : hosty1e
      • Yup, and say goodbye to 24+ slot servers. : Dynotaku
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        Not to mention it will probably be hosted on some 12 year olds dsl connection that is being shared wirele : AgentPothead
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          okay so all of the above here sounds bad...what's the upside? there has to be one for id to go this rout... : kek
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            I think for the developer it is because it unifies the online structure on PC + console. : aethyr
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              Ok, I would have no problem with no dedicated servers... IF they just put console and PC players together... : NexusOne
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                That's just it - they won't. It's a logistical nightmare trying to get those things past console comp... : Schnapple
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                  plus I don't think most people want it. I don't want to play against controller users when I'm on PC, nor... : derelict515
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                    I do want to play against controller users when I'm on the PC. : NexusOne
                    • me too. it was a blast back in the dreamcast q3 days. : Sludgehead
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            If there's no dedicated server then it's harder to pirate. In the case of CoD6 you have to log in to thei... : Dynotaku
            • If you honestly can't think of a single advantage to p2p matchmaking to the player you need to seriously ... : derelict515
      • No, there's usually no "server" at all, hence "peer to peer". Every player owns a subset of the dynamic o... : uncleanmonkey
      • this is not a problem when the game is co-op like Borderlands. deathmatch on the other hand... : yacoub35
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    If we're very lucky the devs will host the servers but that still means no community servers and no mods. : Zek
    • They will not do this. It would cost them too much money. : excitebike111
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    Part of me can't help but think that the traditional dedicated server model is a bit of a lazy cop-out on... : evildanish
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      It's not a gamble at all, has there ever been an FPS with a shortage of dedicated servers compared to the... : Zek
      • Sure it is. It's a gamble that often pays off, especially for popular titles, but you're still completely... : evildanish
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      A dedicated server doesn't necessarily have to be community-hosted. There's a few different concepts tha... : Johnny Law
      • Oh absolutely. My gripe is with the reliance on community-hosted servers only. But off the top of my head... : evildanish
• While I don't forsee Rage MP having near the popularity or community of MW:2, this is shocking and sad a... : atom519
• hahahaha : mwasher
• We stand of the precipice of a crossroads, where a scale is at the tipping point. We can live in a blesse... : CoreContingency
• I was unaware that Rage would even have multiplayer. It always striked me as a single player only game wi... : PointlesS76
• The internet is over! : zebosausamite
• Carmack: “We’ll see how it works out for everyone else.” I accept your challenge! : Leviathan41
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  Fucking P2P sucks why are we moving towards this shit? : .frame
  • I'd really like to say what I think, but I can't. There are more than enough people with their bread and ... : steauengeglase
• now that I think about it.. I dont even know what Rage is about , car , race shooting stuff .. had no ide... : Frush81
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  Rage AND Doom weren't designed for 20v20 action, why bother making dedicated support for it? : sukabljat
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    Left 4 Dead wasn't designed for 20v20 action, why did Valve bother with dedicated servers for it? : CoreContingency
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      Because using the multiplayer framework that was already built into the engine was much easier and cheape... : evildanish
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        Correct answer: Because dedicated servers have far, far, far better performance than personal hosting : Zek
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          I doubt that was the reason. In fact, I doubt it was ever even an issue, which is what I was alluding to ... : evildanish
          • You contradict yourself. Think of the two games in this article that have both just recently announced dr... : CoreContingency
• *joker voice* here... we... go! : cdbeckman
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  someone will mod a dedicated server within weeks : filthysock
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    they can just reverse engineer it because PC users are smart : .frame
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      they can use their package sniffers : .frame
      • they bought the game so they own the code : veras
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      a mod that just makes the user that created the game a spectator, but with admin privileges, couldn't be ... : filthysock
      • well then it's still p2p which is what everyone is whining about : derelict515
• OMG... : razlebol
• Haha awesome : OverloadUT
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  Et tu, Carmack? Not that it sounded like Rage would have a huge multiplayer community, it still seems a b... : Talonus.
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    Did Carmack give us quakeworld? I thought that was Zoid who did most of the work? (although my quake hist... : Demius
    • I'm rusty as well, but the base was there when Zoid took it over. I'm pretty sure that was after the play... : Talonus.
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      Ah Zoid, I hope is happy where ever he is at. So many hours of CTF. : steauengeglase
      • I think he's at Valve actually.. thats what I read a while ago. : Demius
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  ahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaahahahahahahahaha : FormerHPB
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    iawtp. id software is now fucking over pc gamers. delicious : JINKY
    • Yep just like Infinity Ward is out to rape and pillage EVERYHTING IN THEIR PATH JINKY : ateam311
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  id hasn't put out anything worth buying since quake 3, they're not even relevant anymore : ]pm[chem
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    some dumb shits want them to "innovate" and "do other stuff omfg" and that's what happens. we could ha... : Downforce
    • free market, right? I ended up buying my FPS from another company : ]pm[chem
• lol : mikecyb
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  Carmack is trolling the interweb : Drewus
  • oh man, best troll ever if so : Cheeziologist
  • yeah john carmack, videogame programmer, is known for his epic trollery remember the time when he was ... : DeBurgo
• didn't read it, but has multiplayer mattered in an iD game since q3? : Benefit
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  Quick everyone tell Carmack how wrong he is to do this! I'm sure the technical genius and pioneer of PC m... : derelict515
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    yeah, quick, start a petition! : jcupitt
    • im cancelling my preorder!!!! : scener
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  Can we once and for all settle that it is id and not iD. http://www.idsoftware.com/ : humbleone
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    meant that as a reply to another post :/ : humbleone
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      it's pronounced "eye dee software" : DeBurgo
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        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZvxYHp8FvI : rock elf
        • lies I've never seen that commercial, that's awesome : DeBurgo
      • You are so very wrong. It's "id" as in the id, the ego and the superego. Freud, yo. The Wolf3D readme ... : evildanish
• looks like it is going to go the way of fear2 mp and red faction 3 : stgdz
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  those who seem happy about this... may i ask why? whats so funny about an inherently inferior system beco... : bgtpcg1
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    honestly both systems have their merits, what i would prefer personally is the in-game browser perhaps on... : lja83
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      yeah i dont see any legitimate reason why we couldn't have both, its not like supporting dedicated server... : bgtpcg1
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        Having to separate network layers is a pretty severe technical undertaking, especially when the benefits ... : uncleanmonkey
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          There is no need to separate things, almost all games allow people to host a server themselves. A dedicat... : Tchest
          • one of you two knows what he is talking about : EvilDolemite
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            Peer to peer is fundamentally different from client/server. You need two very different network layers if... : uncleanmonkey
            • Yes but the current model of client/server supports the peer to peer behavior. : Tchest
  • I doubt anyone thinks that it is good with less options. However, if you look at it from the developer... : humbleone
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    To be honest, part of me thinks if Carmack's doing it, there must be some pretty good reasons. : crummynz
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      ^^^ same post I made above. The idea that some of you are 100% sure this is inferior in every way and can... : derelict515
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        the problem is p2p has an inherent design flaw that no coder god can overcome: host advantage. also, it r... : bgtpcg1
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          It doesn't necessarily restrict customization. I'm sure you could work mods into a P2P server framework p... : crummynz
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            maybe they could, but will they? : bgtpcg1
            • If anyone, I'd think id would. : crummynz
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              regardless, if you're complaining about p2p and lack of customization just look at Halo 3. They're separa... : derelict515
              • i guess you are right, its just that in most cases p2p, matchmaking and lack of customization go hand in ... : bgtpcg1
        • Regarding p2p, you need to read uncleanmonkey's posts in this subthread: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.... : evildanish
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      except that he didnt give any : fathertime
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        if MW2 threads have taught me anything, it's that no justification he provides will be sufficient for som... : derelict515
        • Agreed. Unfortunately, on the flipside some people would defend IW to death regardless of what desig... : atom519
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        Sorry, does that mean they are bad reasons? I don't follow how what you posted is relevant. : crummynz
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          no they may be good reasons, but he dodged the question several times..he was obviously embarassed about ... : fathertime
          • I didn't interpret that as dodging the question. : crummynz
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        Except Morris didn't ask any followup questions. Like, "why?" : CRasterImage
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          it wouldn't satiate the people complaining anyway. IW gave reasons and are just called lazy, liars, money... : derelict515
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            I don't trust IW's reasons. I would believe Carmack's reasons. : CRasterImage
            • So when he gives the same reasons IW gave should I expect an apology thread? And people wonder why IW has... : derelict515
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  out of random curiosity, when someone says "no dedicated servers" do they really mean "no private game ho... : lja83
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    yes, #2, there's no separate dedicated program that does the server, the server is always run by one of t... : jcupitt
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      in that case i take less issue with it, i was under then assumption that "no dedicated servers" meant mor... : lja83
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        Except that'd mean there are dedicated servers, just not ones third parties can host. : crummynz
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          right, that's what i thought they meant, i thought they meant they weren't making dedicated servers avail... : lja83
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            basically that they were going to be in total control of any multiplayer games : lja83
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              That wouldn't be so bad; at least we wouldn't be reliant on crappy home connections. Though you'd probabl... : crummynz
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                i admit that there's definitely advantages to it, but i would personally not like it because what happens... : lja83
                • Yeah, that's happened to PS2 games that just lose MP functionality when their servers get shut down. Suck... : crummynz
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        That's funny. I was the other way around. When I thought it was 'all servers are hosted by us' I was ... : hawke
        • our primary concerns are likely different, i'm primarily concerned with the user being able to enjoy the ... : lja83
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      also, why would this preclude the ability to mod the game and play the mods? it seems the only thing it w... : lja83
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        It does not preclude the ability to mod the game. In the case of MW2 they are not releasing mod tools whi... : OverloadUT
        • it was kind of a poorly thought out question about the whole "play the game how we want you to play it" t... : lja83
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  that is the sound of ultimate asperger suffering : [fry]
  • now we know why they call it RAAAAAAAAAAGE! : gyokuro
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  also, have you guys played the new OpFlash? it didn't have dedicated servers and the multi was a clusterf... : bgtpcg1
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    i wonder how did millions of people who grew up on CS and Quake and UT ever managed to find a game in the... : bgtpcg1
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      your assertion is that the server browsers in those days were flawless and a perfect solution for finding... : derelict515
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        yeah, but why not improve the dedicated server structure, and make it more accessible instead of doing aw... : bgtpcg1
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          how do propose solving these problems as easily as one click skill based matchmaking: -finding games wit... : derelict515
          • I'd say L4D does this pretty well. : crummynz
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            "-finding games with default, developer balanced settings" make "show vanilla servers only" the defaul... : bgtpcg1
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              Yes 1 click is better to most people. Ping isn't an inherently obvious concept. Someone brand new to gami... : derelict515
              • the reason i brought up CS and Quake and UT earlier is because they were/are hugely popular games, especi... : bgtpcg1
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        Maybe we just had more patience back then. Today's young gamers want to press X to connect to the best m... : the archvile
        • age is irrelevant. You think a 40 year old dad who only just got out of the 'games are for kids' mindset ... : derelict515
  • oh jesus christ, yes, Dragon Rising was brutal. Oh my god. : MercFox1
• PREORDER CANCELED! : freshyk
• who cares what about the curtains and drapes : fathertime
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  Lost interested in MW2 over this issue, losing interest in this game too. It's such a slap in the face t... : deathofrats
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    But this is primarily a single player game. : OverloadUT
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      You could say the same about Call of Duty 1-3, Half Life1/2, etc. : deathofrats
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        Correct. If you had found out that Half Life 2 had no multiplayer would you not have bought it? Hell, Epi... : OverloadUT
        • Neither did Half-Life 2, at first. But the initial release came bundled with Counter Strike: Source. : evildanish
  • single player MW2 looks fun. Although MW i couldn't finish the single player...after getting raped at the... : gyokuro
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    A SLAP IN THE MOTHERFUCKING FACE : walker270
    • John Carmack is pissing on the faces of pc gamers. : jahulio2
• whats funny is people actually believe Idsoft is relevant these days. They stopped being relevant after q... : gyokuro
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  Well I just listed my brand new top of the line alienware PC on craigslist. Fuck that. : not work safe
  • Fuck it, I just threw the rig out the window. : not work safe
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  isn't Rage an SP oriented game though? I don't recall any previews about any Multiplayer modes. : X-GOUKI
  • Does it matter? Hey Obama, keep your FED hands out of my dedicated servers!! EVEN SP-ONLY GAMES SHOULD HA... : TPSReport
• Did you give him my shout-out? : c0bra
• Cancelling pre-order, deleting all previous id games and all games based on their engines. THAT'LL SHOW '... : Entity
• What did he say about letting Phil use one of his rockets? : dmason
• What was Rage's multiplayer going to be anyway? : Cliffzorz
• The shocking part is that the game has multiplayer mode. : Jimbo Ro
• Not really a surprise. Carmack already said rage was primarily being designed for consoles first. Status ... : terath
• I hadn't really intended to play Multi with it anyway. : Ebu
• oh my Allah : hanged_man
• Ah well, one less game to buy. : Shodai80
• but that doesn't even seem like a regular FPS shooter anyway. it looks like an sp game with a vaguely sta... : yacoub35
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  Fuck that is lame, and dumb. I would love to hear his reasons why a non-dedicated server would be a bette... : Modulus
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    PC gaming is pretty much done I think. Every game will just be a port. Fortunately, I'm finding I dont' r... : terath
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      I think there will always be well made PC games, but they might be indie or from smaller studios. There i... : Modulus
      • Oh yes, I agree about the indie games. I was referring mostly to the AAA titles. I do quite like followin... : terath
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      I guess, even if they are ports though, most the time they still look and play better then the console ve... : DogDharma
      • They may look better, but a lot of the time it's clear that the game/controls were designed for the conso... : Modulus
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  Didn't expect it in Rage. Brink's going to have dedicated servers. We'll see what they do for Doom 4, w... : the archvile
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    Yeah. Splash Damage made a joke about it during the Q&A session at Eurogamer. :D : Durajim
    • What kind of joke? I loved Paul Wedgwood's commentary at QuakeCon '09; he said the phrase "I love using ... : the archvile
• Did someone say Rage? FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU : hussdelrio
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  Good thing Carmack hasn't been relevant for the last, oh, 10 years. : herradura99
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    What's the last great thing you did? : skitzo
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      Well, he once posted "I'll take Dragon Age on PC over a dumbed down consolized shooter rpg any day." S... : aggressor
      • I posted an opinion on a message board. So sue me. : herradura99
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    Sure he can program circles around most and launch rockets to the moon but yeah, he's irrelevant. : Sludgehead
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      Rage is the proof. A Star Wars hovercar race world rip-off? After DOOM and Quake? wtf. : yacoub35
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        What? a star wars ripoff? First time I've heard that about rage. : DogDharma
        • coz it's in space? : crummynz
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          Every screenshot and videoclip for that game feels like it's pulled right from that podrace planet in the... : yacoub35
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            I guess, by that so does fallout 3, borderlands. It's just a typical wasteland. : DogDharma
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              did i imagine it, or wasn't the early Rage footage some people racing around in podracer look-a-likes sho... : yacoub35
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                lol? they were driving cars, and I'm pretty sure he was just wearing a straw hat http://www.all4parties.c... : Drakoniac
                • http://www.shacknews.com/screenshots.x?gallery=8087&game_id=4598&id=103545#img103547 : Turd Ferguson
              • well the vehicles had wheels for a start... good try though : derelict515
              • i don't remember the podracers shooting at each other in starwars : filthysock
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            Creative works inevitably draw on previous works. It's like that with art, music, movies, and video game... : Sludgehead
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              It's cool if you don't care for id games... What? I loved the DOOM and Quake games. That was my point. Af... : yacoub35
              • Well for starters it's not another Doom or Quake game. That might be considered a step forward. It's no... : Sludgehead
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            It's Tattoine, jackass. <3 : Shivawn
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              *tatooine : miasma&!
              • self owned : Shivawn
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            All I know is that the screen shots and vidclips of Rage to date have left me underwhelmed. : Ride-My-Rocket
            • the graphics in the most recent videos were ridiculous : derelict515
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        Comparing Rage to Pod Racer is like comparing Halo to any good fps. : Sludgehead
        • It's one of the best Rock-Paper-Scissors FPS games out there. : saunders45
      • that's a unique way of looking at it : valael
      • Yeah, and you probably think Half Life invented mouselook... : saunders45
  • http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=21334458#itemanchor_21334458 : ]pm[chem
  • Why are you glad "he hasn't been relevant"? : RuffasBluetain
  • lol the things you crazy kids say : jonin
• Meh, that's fine, I'm sure it will still sell well, but I won't be a customer. : Visceral Monkey
• if its not a competitive multiplayer game it matters little, especially after seeing how doom 3 multiplay... : ballystix