Evening Reading: Weekend Confirmed

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• NWA : ass-street
• Aesop Rock : drucifer
• my souja boy : polansk
• vanilla ice ice baby : nunami
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  MC 900ft Jesus : drucifer
  • FIRE! FIRE! FIRE! : Old_Fart
• mc solaar : rgoer
• super bowl shuffle : DonkeyPopsicle
• MC Chris : drucifer
• egüinha pocotó : Nitrium
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  Buena Vista Social Club : Godhatesfatpeople
  • cuba? : ass-street
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  C&C Music Factory, 2 Unlimited, SNAP!, KLF : freakord
  • WRECKX-N-EFFECT : drucifer
  • Rhythm is a dancer, bitches. : Super Sparker
• none :D : dantastic
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  Blackalicious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMrg2MCOxRM or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvPnM... : Jenings
  • Also: Murs Breakfast Club http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP4u4I96DVQ You and I http://www.youtube... : Jenings
• NWA Ice Cube Dr. Dre A Tribe Called Quest Leaders of the New School Digital Underground Wu-Tang Cla... : mordaken
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  black music? : humbleone
  • Type O Negative : drucifer
• Guru's Jazzmatazz Vol.1 : Postal
• Winton Marsalis : creep
• Incredibad. : Dschinghis Khan
• OPP Quality Control : thekidd
• metallica : moe6
• Old 3 6 mafia I guess. : sheepraper
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  Tupac : spiffymc
  • Street Cred + 1 : mnsnota
• Miles Davis- Kind of Blue : Lightzout
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  "Black" music? I hope that is a family name. Like Jack Black... : IHATEDUST
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    Oh noes, calling something black screams racism! : v7ek
    • 30 Rock Season 1 joke. Tiny Fey dates a "Black" : IHATEDUST
• Del & Tame One : tangles
• Not rap, but...Miles Davis, Coltrane, TV On The Radio. The new Mos Def is good too. : Vangoghs Ear
• abstract rude, sandbag, swollen members, tupac, notorious big. : syn0r
• PaRappa the Rappa : Landrosradick
• Tribe Called Quest. : dognose

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  Yup. I hope someone tries to create a co-op mod/hack like the old days of GTA online :) THEN it will be a... : imcompa
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    ^even more amazing* It's still pretty awesome. Also if a team started working on that I'd join said team. : imcompa
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      ^god damn it. I don't even play games co-op very often, I just meant a lot of people aren't buying becaus... : imcompa
      • there was a time, long ago, when the genre was new to me, that I'd play a hackn slash looter solo. Now... : technotica
• Yeah, I love it. Great game for the price : AlexXdude
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  Hm, can I get an invite to the Shack Steam group? I think this is my profile! http://tomservo.shackspa... : FlatlineDixay
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    Uh, that's a Left 4 Dead 2 screenshot? : IndigoAK
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      So it is. http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197969096076 : FlatlineDixay
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        Me too invite http://steamcommunity.com/id/ghostinmyshell : ghost in my shell
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          invite me too ttp://steamcommunity.com/id/umegastar : umegastar
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            http://steamcommunity.com/id/umegastar : umegastar
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              me...fourth? http://steamcommunity.com/id/genocidalrobot : genocidalrobot
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                I would like to hop on this bandwagon as well. http://steamcommunity.com/id/Haxim : Haxim
                • Me too... http://steamcommunity.com/id/derwikinger/ : Wikinger
    • L4D2rolled? : ImageOmega
  • Could I get in on this goodness, especially in anticipation of L4D2. =D http://steamcommunity.com/pr... : shaffe
• Yeah, Torchlight is my RPG game of the year, no contest. : IndigoAK
• I'd have picked it up too if I didn't already pre-order Dragon Age: Origins :( Too many good games out ri... : theangrywaffles
• feek now owns torchlight also : feek
• Too bad Torchlight sucks and by sucks I mean fucking awesome : phate81
• I made it to level 2 in the mines tonight! Killed a phase beast and kept going through the portal like an... : Dave-A
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  I really hope they surprise everyone with an addon or patch for multiplayer. It's an awesome game. : Wolfanoz
  • they're kinda busy making a free to play MMO out of it so don't hold your breath : derelict515
  • If the games architecture allows it, I'm sure someone will find a way to patch such a mode into the game. : WhatIsThisFor
  • That would be epic. I'd even pay another 20 dollars for it if it happened down the road. : NastyJack
• Yeah it pretty much owns. : spazzium
• one of us... one of us... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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  I'm really glad TL is apparently a successful endeavor for these guys, looking forward to what they put o... : veras
  • I was sad when Fate didn't get this kind of hype and success on the Shack considering how good it was at ... : Matt Burris
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  So sad there isn't a mac version. So very sad. : brickmatt
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    Is it still coming? Someone said in an earlier thread that they had originally planned on one. : spazzium
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      In a podcast I linked the other day they were asked about it and they said it's coming. No ETA. : bipolar
      • They're saying December/January timeframe : Serpico74
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  Great Torchlight mod snagged from the SA forums http://memografia.com/uploads/IncreasedSellingPrices.zip... : bipolar
  • I find it unnecessary as it seems the only thing I spend money on is enchantments. : spazzium
  • man I don't know if I want to do something like this, but it's getting to the point where it's hard for m... : mwasher
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    I love the idea but I'd feel dirty using it. I know it's dumb but it would kind of feel like cheating. : NastyJack
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      My thinking is, I beat it legit and now I'll play how I want (i.e., how I'll get the most enjoyment). Li... : bipolar
      • Yeah I might do something like that after I've beaten the game. : NastyJack
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    For any who missed it earlier, best mods so far http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=21283889 The Tristr... : bipolar
    • And those are from before the dev tools have even been released. The next few weeks are going to be amaz... : bipolar
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  god, I played the demo for about two hours and I want to play more. : Degenerate
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    DO IT! : imcompa
    • I did it :( : Degenerate
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    I'm not playing it, because I remember exactly what Mythos did to me. : filtersweep
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      Wait beta or something? : bolneze
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        yeah. homeboy here was hardcore addicted : Degenerate
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          I'm downloading the demo. :( :( :( : filtersweep
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            you may as well not even play the demo and just get the full deal. It's like Diablo and Mythos hooked up ... : Degenerate
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              I just played nonstop since I made that post. :( :( :( :( :( :( : filtersweep
              • If you buy it then its an easy upgrade, just like an XBox Live game. Only takes a few seconds, no downloa... : Serpico74
  • The demo is what got me, I had no idea I'd like it so much. The nice thing is that it worked like enablin... : Serpico74
• PointlesS76 now owns Torchlight (As of 1 minute ago) The demo sold me. I probably wouldn't of bought i... : PointlesS76
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  Dude, I gave up on Diablo 1 after 2 minutes of gameplay in 1998, and I got hooked after seeing the GiantB... : the archvile
  • I was not a huge fan of diablo at all. (diablo 2 was fun to run with people) This game owns my face. : zakazi
  • diablo is fucking insidious. It was the first game where i realized i needed to stop playing, by the fuck... : theWhite
• Ride-My-Rocket now owns Torchlight : Ride-My-Rocket
• I'm liking Torchlight just as much as Borderlands which really surprises me, I thought for sure it would ... : alexthegreat2
• still waiting on os x version :( : jayares
• Loving torchlight, moreso then Borderlands. Something about ARPG's gets me all riled up like f'ing child,... : dozerking
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  If Torchlight was MP would it be like gauntlet? I don't know anything about the game really. : c0bra
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    No, it'd be like diablo 2 online. : imcompa
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      More like Dungeon Siege 2. : gyrfalcon
      • No, definitely more like Diablo 2. I don't think I've ever played a Diablo "clone" that plays and sounds ... : Vincent Grayson
      • No, this is exactly Diablo. It wouldn't be nearly as fun if it were like Dungeon Siege. : derelict515
    • It'll probably be exactly like Mythos : Horn
• Good god what an addictive game - started at 9pm, it's now 5.15am and I've finished the main quest in a s... : sonicdeathwalrus
• GOTY : Visceral Monkey
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  Torchlight is fun. : gyokuro
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    I secretly think it may be the best game ever but I can't trust my judgement here. : Lightzout
    • its good stuff for sure. you can feel its goodness as you play. : gyokuro
• Playing Time: Torchligh 33.8 hours... it's been awesome the whole way also, Civ4 at 45 hours isn't he... : kevp
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  For those of you who want to tweak the game a bit. You can make the shadows crisper by changing the sh... : IndigoAK
  • Thanks for the tip. I'm forcing 16x AA/AF with CCC and I have no issues. : Link.
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  Got it last night... with the amount of enjoyment I got out of the demo, $20 seemed like nothing for how ... : CyCo_PL
  • Maybe it's $20, BECAUSE they didn't have to mess with MP. : capt tripps
• Streaming Torchlight tonight http://www.livestream.com/sothebysgaming : pancake humper
• I just bought it too. WOW! Great game. Very Diablo-like. Fun animation and great music so far. I'm r... : pigvomit
• It's a good thing pc gaming is dead eh. : chazums
• Devildog, doesn't want to beat torchlight. Best game I've played as far as action rpg in a long time. : devi| dog
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  can someone post what is in their resources.cfg in the root torchlight progam folder? I overwrote mine in... : datoo
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    This what you're after? It's steam if that makes a difference, but the root resources.cfg # Resource ... : devi| dog
    • Yeah, thanks. : datoo
• This game is crack. I just stopped playing for 5 minutes, now Im going back in. : posito
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  I want to like the game, but the Blue Screen of Death after 10 minutes of play pisses me off. Why didnt ... : Cottc Cid
  • No BSoD here whatsoever. running stable no probs and im lvl18 or so : kahuuna
  • Drivers would be my uneducated guess :/ : imcompa
  • What BSOD is it? : sheepraper
  • I'm not seeing anything even remotely like that across 4 systems and 3 windows operating systems. We woul... : jasoncrowley
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  has anyone seen any useful character build pages yet? i feel like i'm just picking skills randomly and i'... : skryte
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    http://calc.torchlightinsider.com/index.php?c=1 : irrerno
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      bitchin', thanks. this combined with the respec potion should help a lot. : skryte
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        'respec' potion? isn't that something someone hacked in? : the city
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          it's a mod, yeah. http://forums.runicgames.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=2132 : skryte
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            "mod" maybe we can make the resurrect hardcore player potion and instakill bosses/teleport potions too... : the city
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              why the fuck should you care what i do. : skryte
              • i dont, i just think its amusing. please get angry though, your tears fuel my heart : the city
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              this is a ridiculous post for so many reasons : derelict515
              • this is a ridiculous post for so many reasons : Foxhawk
            • it was released by Runic anyway : stamps
          • oh cool : xxiv
      • actually, playing with this calculator didn't help much. i want to see damage tables and other actual inf... : skryte
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  imagine if it had multiplayer.....! : VuduChild
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    Imagine if it were free.....! : bipolar
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      Image if it were challenging.....! : guigr
      • are you playing it at very hard with hardcore turned on? it's pretty darn hard, even with the right gear : OhSnapHighFive
  • And then we wouldn't be playing it till 2011. Fuck that noise. : geedeck
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    If it did, I would own it. : thekidd
    • Yeah I've played through the demo, but I'm still debating buying it for this reason. : the city
• The Shackhype is strong with this one. : gibolas1234
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  Enchantment Shrines Anyone know where they are? I saw one during my very early levels but I am now le... : chuck577
  • Random. I used one to buff a purple though, they're totally awesome. : geedeck
  • I've found a fair amount of them in map scroll dungeons : veras
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  Is there a reliable place to get an Identify spell? It's getting old porting back to town so frequently t... : rudds
  • I didn't see that spell till I hit 40 in the infinite dungeon. : jdmSlix
  • keep checking the spell vendor and/or get lucky on a drop : veras
  • just buy like 20 of them : Clay
  • they stack to 20 : Draugluin
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  geedeck, what if I told you I only plan on purchasing Torchlight when it hits the $10 mark? What then??!... : CrustaR
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    I'd shrug and go on playing it now : geedeck
    • I...see... Well then. Carry on. : CrustaR
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  Epic Items question - does every unique/set item have an equivalent epic? Like when you get an Epic uniqu... : veras
  • also enchanting is totally overpowered and breaks the item system, enchanting costs are like based on ite... : veras
• Purchased. Is there a Shackgroup on Steam for all of us or we just using the Regular Shack one? : tboomer2
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  I'm playing on hard and the first dungeon seemed a bit easy. Does the difficulty increase over time? : PointlesS76
  • Yes, that first dungeon is pretty easy. It does get more difficult later. : Iazu
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  ETA on the loading screen time bug fix? : Marrbe
  • sometime next week apparently. : jonin
  • Have you tried the fix from the Runic Forums? It sped mine up a little. http://forums.runicgames.com/v... : Iazu
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  Never heard of it. As I look at the screenshots I'm not diggin' the WoW cartoony graphics. Ew. I guess... : Jobos
  • That may be a part of it, but I think it's more because of their 11-month development schedule and having... : TrptJim

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• Nothing. I never feel like putting the effort into it :\ : aggressor
• ROMANTIC KUNG FU! : Borzoi
• haha that's amazing. And fuck anyone who needs an explanation! : SiW.
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  this game got me into rhythm games. after I figured out this first song I destroyed the rest of the game.... : Draugluin
  • (ddr in there somewhere shhh) : Draugluin
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    what about Gitaroo Man. I think I might be stuck on the goth metal level for life. : Borzoi
    • Gitaroo Man was so awesome. I keep meaning to play it again. : Guybrushed
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      Do you mean the rock opera level? I was never able to beat that. : ChibiJosh
      • yeah the demented goth boy....such a hilarious song though....wish i could get through it. : Borzoi
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    Now you just need Um Jammer Lammy, Bust a Groove(Move), Vib Ribbon, Ouendan/Elite Beat Agents, DJ Max, Gi... : SiW.
    • I did also play Ouendan and Elite Beat Agents : Draugluin
  • Haha yeah, it definitely was one of my first as well! : choppp
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  Also, I still haven't beaten Parappa. Fuck the toilet level. : SiW.
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    haha you suck. : ThomW
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      I know right? I love rhythm games but some of them I'm just fucking terrible at. : SiW.
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        Parappa was hard. I kind of felt like there were syncing problems between the music, graphics and control... : ThomW
        • I randomly tried it again pretty recently, and I felt the exact same way. : choppp
        • Um Jammer Lammy is definitely easier (and better value, given the fact you get all the songs in a new sty... : SiW.
  • Did you check the toilets to the left? : devi| dog
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  Exactly zero people (other than me) will know wtf you're dressed as. Congrats and have fun. : ThomW
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    what's your costume this year, Thom? Ironman? : Korban
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      Bah humbug! : ThomW
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        The Hulk? : Mad Brahmin Disease
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          http://gamewith.us/shackspace/hulkw.jpg THOMW SMASH : ThomW
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            How come your shirt is not ripped in half? : Mad Brahmin Disease
            • It's a big shirt. : ThomW
• i shall post pictures of my costume on Sunday :D : Korban
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  Great costume. I'm surprised that I can still recite that song from memory :( : DrWaffles
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    Kick, punch its all in the mind, if you want to test me im sure you'll find.. : alphablu
    • I hate that game with a passion it came as a demo with my playstation i couldnt stand it. and fuck you no... : Utopia
• That is fucking awesome! D: : Malku
• well done. : ass-street
• KICK, PUNCH, YOU KNOW THE DRILL : MoreVespeneGas
• Hell yeah! : zakazi
• hahaha excellent : manero
• U rappin' awesome! : BlackCat9
• choppp choppp, mista onion!! : proclone1
• That could be one of the best costumes I've seen. Awesome. : ieGod
• Huh... I have both a giant onion-head mask and a karate gi, but I never thought to combine them. : Jobos
• TheTick as master chief http://www.shackpics.com/viewer.x?file=materchief_tick_6qd6mkpvdt59iik2sbba.jpg... : Turd Ferguson

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• that really is a good article : peat
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  What I hate about the PC whining shit is that they don't even give them a shot first. They act like ever... : kingdepork
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    At the same time, Infinity Ward doesn't appear to be giving coexistent matchmaking and dedicated server i... : the archvile
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      If it doesn't work, then their next game will probably support it. It seems if you make it big with a PC... : kingdepork
      • WOOKIES DONT LIVE ON ENDOR!!!!!! : -=kodiak=-
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        PC gamers have known for awhile, at least five years, that we are no longer a key audience. Its not about... : comiekazie
        • This. : DeejayKnight
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          You can't complain about a game while it's in beta! You have to wait until it's final when it's too late... : MamiyaOtaru
          • Indeed. Does my head in when people complain about feedback for betas. That's part of what they're for. W... : mactu
      • console gamers would act the same way if they weren't busy having ADD and shoveling out $60 for this mont... : Benefit
    • I suspect that Activision tied their hands on it. : h0cake
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    There is a very simple reason our position is right an IW is wrong. They could have their matchmaking sys... : Tchest
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      and you dismiss everyone who disagrees with you as a console asshole which was exactly his point. I'm not... : derelict515
      • I used to play PC games 16 hours a day at my peak of horrible nerdness. I was an awful nerd. I was the... : kingdepork
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        Console people thinking they know better are being arrogant, so I'm calling them assholes. I feel quite j... : Tchest
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          Most of the people here who are "console people" were hard core pc gamers for a very very long time. : kingdepork
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            So? I'm talking about the people who have no idea what this is actually about, and I think I made that cl... : Tchest
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              No one on the other side of the argument is saying that. The problem is that these shit storms normally ... : kingdepork
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                It's a really big damn thing. If you think a lot of people are going to play this, take a look at all the... : Tchest
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                  GTA4's failing in multiplayer had absolutely nothing to do with matchmaking. It was just a half baked mul... : derelict515
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                    I had fun with it, but the matchmaking killed it for me. Considering how Vice City and San Andreas have a... : Tchest
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                      how come I never saw tons of articles complaining about the matchmaking like we did with L4D2? Gears 2? A... : derelict515
                      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XamI2ZKgE8g : kingdepork
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                  From that analogy what IW is trying is being enforced on all PC games. : kingdepork
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                    No, the bar is the server. Because dedicated servers are where people go to play, it's a place where they... : Tchest
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                      The difference is with matchmaking with 1 click you can end up in a random game with people of your skill... : derelict515
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                        ...and who-knows-what for connection robustness. That's the primary weakness of matchmaking, along with ... : the archvile
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                          frankly I would trust a matchmaking system to more intelligently choose a host based on bandwidth and lat... : derelict515
                          • Why are Mom and Dad fighting? Make it stop! Gamer group hug time. : Lightzout
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                            lag free lol : WhatIsThisFor
                            • What is so lol about this, I have played a ton of console games lag free with zero problems. : Evil Benius
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                        With that, the difference is going to an AOL chat room circa 2000 and a current day forum. I log on to Li... : steauengeglase
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                          That's what friends lists are for. Play with friends! : Mmmmmoo
                          • I have no friends. They all grew up. :( : steauengeglase
                      • Those are all bad arguments. Every one of them. : CRasterImage
                      • At the same time it makes finding games with friends ten times more difficult and time consuming because ... : WhatIsThisFor
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                        Yeah you people just don't listen. I'm done. : Tchest
                        • I started this with the point that this discussion is useless, maybe this guy makes it better http://www... : Tchest
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    what you don't get is the system already works and there is no need to change it : peat
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      so we developed the pinnacle of multiplayer interfaces and methods 10 years ago? there's no reason to eve... : derelict515
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        if all the PC players are happy why change it? the least they could have done was say "hey guys here's a ... : peat
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          because they did do that as they said in the quote on the original frontpage article here. Of course they... : derelict515
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            i'm sorry but when they claim they brought in hardcore/casual players from the community they need to pr... : peat
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              i'm sorry, but IW doesn't owe you anything. Did you bitch that Valve didn't provide quotes from usabi... : derelict515
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                Which is why a lot of people simply are not buying this game. They don't owe people anything, and the ... : Jimbo Ro
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                  and you're more than welcome to do that, but to suggest that we perfected multiplayer interfaces 10 years... : derelict515
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                    I think we can all agree that servers > P2P. That's not even arguable. Say you get 16 guys that w... : Jimbo Ro
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                      how is that at all relevant to this subthread? Anyway, a few million people seem to get along just fine i... : derelict515
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                        And most users are fine without ever using the command line in windows but that's not a compelling argume... : WhatIsThisFor
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                          nor is that a compelling analogy. Keeping the command line doesn't affect ones ability to create a good U... : derelict515
                          • It's adequate enough, you are advocating the removal of features for advanced users based on the premise ... : WhatIsThisFor
                      • That does not make it the optimal solution. Just because something sorta works doesn't make it preferr... : Jimbo Ro
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                    it's been there for 10 years because the community likes the way it works and would prefer it not change... : peat
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                      their usability studies suggest it is 'broken' for the casual player http://www.shacknews.com/oneartic : derelict515
                      • I have never met a single person who thought it was "broken" the rest of those reasons are a bunch of bul... : peat
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                  I hope developers don't bow to every wish and let vocal fans design their games for them. Games would p... : kingdepork
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                    This isn't "designing the game" It's asking for a BASIC FEATURE that has been STANDARD for NEARLY 15 yea... : Jimbo Ro
                    • Yet the game will still be a lot of fucking fun. : kingdepork
                  • This is what killed Master of Orion 3 : Sailor of Fortune
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                why did you go from how games are hosted to how games are played? : Drakoniac
                • they're all fundamental parts of games that changed in their respective sequels spanning graphics, to gam... : derelict515
          • You realize that was a video for CoD4 no MW2, right? : thejay247
      • Everything I've seen *like* what is being described right now is a lot worse than a dedicated server/serv... : Saman
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        PEER 2 PEER HOSTING IS SHIT. that is all. : chilln
        • I dont even see how people can argue against that. : gyokuro
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        Valve did the right thing by allowing both matchmaking and server browsing, both dedicated and user-hoste... : WhatIsThisFor
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          basically that would mean we have none of the awesome custom campaigns we have? : peat
          • and eliminated higher player counts as well as a fairness. The "host" would have 0 ping. : gyokuro
      • sure! games like Starsiege: Tribes still have active dedicated servers despite the developers having gone... : Veegeezee
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        Dont get confused, MS uses their P2P system because it's CHEAPER, not because it's better. : crazywigga
        • Huh? If anything it's be more expensive, now that they have to handle matchmaking. Normally third parties... : crummynz
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      It's their game and they can try it. If it fails, they will patch it or change it for the next game. Yo... : kingdepork
      • i'd swear that's a terrible comparison : peat
      • Will they? That's the question that's hanging in the minds of the people who got angry about this. : the archvile
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    You may think it's whining, but as a gamer on both PC and console, I have to admit that the console way o... : DeejayKnight
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      I can't think of any big console game that people complained about host advantage besides Gears, and that : derelict515
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        The core functionality of cable would still remain the same without a guide to let you select your channe... : DeejayKnight
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          It doesn't really take loads, it takes 1 in the average game size. Does 1 in 16 online gamers have a conn... : derelict515
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            I'm not denying your suggestion, just stating that dedicated servers are the PC standard. It's not overly... : DeejayKnight
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              I wouldn't call it a standard. It's more like a norm. A standard means there's some kind of enforcement i... : Sailor of Fortune
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                there is. You don't do it, people bitch. It may not be the most effective enforcement D: : MamiyaOtaru
                • People will bitch the same when you go against the norm too. That's why that word makes more sense than b... : Sailor of Fortune
      • You don't understand the subject you are discussing. Just stop. : CRasterImage
      • It's always easier to attack an analogy than it is to acknowledge it's relevance (no matter how feint) to... : WhatIsThisFor
  • I don't need to try peer to peer to know it's worse than a dedicated server, just like I know I don't nee... : gibolas1234
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  I liked this one better. http://news.bigdownload.com/2009/10/29/opinion-an-open-letter-to-infinity-ward/... : tree8
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    This is kinda funny though: "The other is that other games have offered up both matchmaking and dedicate... : kingdepork
    • Well, it's a jab at the L4D community, but it's not ironic in this case. : Rice-Rocketeer
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  boycotting the pc version is suicidal. Companies will simply stop bothering with the pc ports if sales ar... : scener
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    I think it's more of a feeling like we are losing everything we love about PC gaming. It's basically like... : hirosushima
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      man you nailed it : peat
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        Yeah. Its like buying a Corvette, except Chevy says "Oh, we modified the car so you can't work on it or u... : Robotic Puppy Eater
        • I like this analogy, its one of the better ones I've seen. : the_burd
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      Pretty much. Once you eliminate all of the benefits of PC gaming, all that's left is a mouse + kb. : tree8
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        That doesn't mean there aren't going to be incredible games made. That's what matters to me. : kingdepork
        • I never implied it did. I was referring to the advantages of PC gaming. : tree8
  • This is quite a silly thing to say. "Buy crappy games because else they will no longer make the crappy ga... : Tchest
  • You know what? I would be fine with that. If pc gaming becames all flash games and b effort games like T... : baron calamity
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    Yea you PC nerds. Pay $60 and enjoy your feature stripped game and sub-standard online experience. : Jimbo Ro
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      I thought MW2 had more modes and features? Including Spec Ops mode. But now we won't get 2 good mods a ... : kingdepork
      • *Now with less players. *Now with more lag *Now with no way to disable helicopter strikes *Now with no... : Jimbo Ro
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    Infinity Ward isn't the only PC FPS developer in the world. The L4D2 demo was released days ago. Brink ... : the archvile
    • i was never really interested in MP with MW2, L4D2 will satisfy that craving, however i must say that thi... : theWhite
• This article is something that was sorely needed after the initial announcement on the BashAndSlash webca... : the archvile
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  That's article almost entirely conjecture and uneducated opinions. He doesn't know whether the system wil... : Kentor
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    It's conjecture because Bowling (or anyone else at Activision or Infinity Ward) are talking. They're sho... : the archvile
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      AREN'T talking, I should say. Not one word since the blog post, aside from a few silly Tweets here and t... : the archvile
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        So not knowing is an excuse for spouting off opinion as fact? Given how irrational that is, I don't blame... : Kentor
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          We have no choice but to speculate, since they haven't offered any official comments. Since they want to... : the archvile
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            No choice? You had no choice but to immediately assume the worst of IW and start publicly bashing them al... : Kentor
            • I want B.D. Wong to sit down with these people and give them a crayon. : kingdepork
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              I expect, at the very least, an explanation. I don't expect to hear it before launch day. I should prob... : the archvile
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                The series of events were: 1) IW lets it be known that they aren't doing dedicated servers 2) The so ca... : Kentor
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                  In response, 1)... over three weeks after the famous " PC will be the same as it always was" quote here:... : the archvile
                  • Having concern is one thing, irrationally spitting vitriol in IW's face and very intentionally trying to ... : Kentor
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                An explanation for what exactly? The change? They gave one already. And a bunch of people aren't going to... : derelict515
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                  Heh, now who's the one spouting off opinion as fact? Are you sure that they're dead-set on the DLC excus... : the archvile
                  • People have responded in numerous CoD threads with exactly that rationale, so yes, I'm sure that certain ... : derelict515
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                    oh hey, case in point: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=21286421#itemanchor_21286421 : derelict515
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                      exhibit b: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=21286476#itemanchor_21286476 : derelict515
                      • exhibit c: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=21286801#itemanchor_21286801 : derelict515
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        and what does it say to them when the fanbase they catered to for years immediately assumes the worst? : derelict515
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          It says that we've had our eyes open. We've seen XBox Live eat up market share. We've seen Epic Games a... : the archvile
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            So PC gamers are like a batshit girlfriend who is gonna call you when you're 5 minutes late getting home? : kingdepork
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              Hey, they're the ones that called us and said they'd be home on time. PC will be the same as it always : the archvile
              • Hon, jesus christ, there was traffic. I'm going to need some alone time for a few days. : kingdepork
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            So they learn that no matter how many years of great support they give this fanbase, the moment they make... : derelict515
            • If pirated copies could work fine with IW's new gamematching system, I'm sure a lot of the boycotting wou... : kingdepork
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          That they aren't fanboys with blind faith in a developer. I'm not assuming the worst and if this works... : Vorlonesque
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            that's fine, there's a difference between being cautious and replies like: 'It automatically can't be ... : derelict515
            • Oh yeah, I can see what you're saying. I think part of it is that people are passionate about this and i... : Vorlonesque
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              Hah, I never said "server browsers are perfect"; far from it. I use it if I want to spin the roulette wh... : the archvile
              • I wasn't criticizing your posts. You've made no such argument. But there's a subthread above stating that... : derelict515
          • I think there are fanboys for the sole fact that they make a fantastic product everytime. Their games h... : kingdepork
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    I don't think it is conjecture. The best we can hopeful is something on par with Xbox live and lets be ho... : baron calamity
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      There's plenty of Shack chatty threads with people saying "Hey guys, post your gamertag so we can play ga... : the archvile
      • This is my biggest problem with matchmaking. It would be great if someone could figure out a way to crea... : WhatIsThisFor
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        but it's not like that model doesn't have issues. There's only 1 shack server, so when I sign on at 9:15 ... : derelict515
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          There are multiple shack servers. : WhatIsThisFor
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            and we can and do add more whenever we want. : Robotic Puppy Eater
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              easy to say when you're not paying and managing them : derelict515
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                I don't run a shack L4D server or anything, but my friend does. I also host and maintain www.shackbbs.com... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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                  That's great, I'm glad. But I'm pretty sure it's a pain in the ass to try to load balance servers against... : derelict515
                  • Paying for what? Paying for a box you probably bought two years ago and is obsolete right now, but can st... : MercFox1
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          So why not have BOTH fucking models. Again the approach they're taking is wrong-headed IMHO...and they'v... : Vorlonesque
          • Agreed; have the strengths of each counteract the weaknesses of the other. It works very well in L4D fro... : the archvile
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          Enable busy server redial, wait two minutes and read the shack until you get into the game? : ghost in my shell
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            yup, that's a solution, and it's certainly better than nothing. But most people don't like waiting in que... : derelict515
            • Guess what happens when you do matchmaking, you wait, then you get into a match, play a round, and there ... : ghost in my shell
  • IW said explicitly said there will be no mod support - it's gone for good unless they intervene. If we lo... : ballystix
• I've had a great time with games that primarily use dedicated servers in the past, but I suppose I have t... : FlatlineDixay
• I like having a short list of servers that I frequent regularly, matchmaking systems make this impossible... : WhatIsThisFor
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  If its anything like the stinky piece of crap that valve shit out on top of L4D, then count me out. I do... : Saman
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    How is it I'm able to find a game every single time on L4D at any time of the day? I don't agree with ... : zuff
    • It's kind of difficult in more isolated countries, like here in New Zealand. The matchmaking system is ju... : SpikeMeister
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    god forbid a company try to stop people stealing their product! : derelict515
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      That's another PC gamer's right. : kingdepork
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        Ha. The only thing have copy protection does is drive away honest customers. People have so many issues... : Jimbo Ro
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          I'm sure DRM side effects are very real. I also think the amount of people affected by it are minimum. ... : kingdepork
          • I have no idea. I've never had an issue other than GTA 4 and by disabling the securerom being able to ge... : Jimbo Ro
          • I disagree. I think the outrage is from people who like a clean PC. The DRM may have no side effects an... : WhatIsThisFor
          • I saw it erase my fresh Bioshock install because I dared to run Process Explorer to see the I/O meter dur... : the archvile
          • Haha uninformed. Given that the pro-IW crowd is arguing that people aren't even smart enough to find a fu... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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      I know those goddamn PC Gamers... oh look what came out this morning on the 360 newsgroups... : ghost in my shell
      • I'm not sure what you think this is proving. : derelict515
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  Kind of stupid since the two biggest online games, TF2 and Counterstrike, are/were started as mods. Who k... : Blackdawgg
  • Unlikely to be any other than the minor ones that provide some admin help (if that)... Mods now are al... : alias
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    Counter-Strike is a good example of what IW doesn't want: a significant amount of customization that ruin... : sukabljat
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      Considering there are so many servers I think you can find enough of them that have the settings you like... : sanchez
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        for the average person that's not true. They might spend 30 minutes trying to find a server with normal s... : derelict515
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          Look at UT99 and UT2004, not UT3. : the archvile
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            god I spent forever looking and can't find the numbers but: http://palgn.com.au/playstation-3/7979/unreal : derelict515
            • wait here're some: http://uk.videogames.games.yahoo.com/pc/previews/unreal-tournament-2007-aa8482.html : derelict515
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          It went that way last time i searched through dedicated servers. A script banned me for writing jesus in... : kingdepork
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            So your wants and desires should be imposed on everyone else. Is that what you're saying? : Robotic Puppy Eater
            • No, I would never stop them from making their own game. : kingdepork
          • You should've tried searching for reputable clan servers that were open to all, and not servers with sket... : the archvile
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          I spend as much time or more trying to put together a match of Halo 3 (or other XBL-enabled title) with f... : WhatIsThisFor
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            Also, you can't fix stupid. If people take over 30 minutes to find a server, then thats their problem. It... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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              If the majority of customers are telling you something is confusing, the stupid person is the developer w... : derelict515
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                Calculus is confusing, let's ban it from the curriculum and punish the textbook authors! : the archvile
                • shacknews needs to have a series of classes on analogies. Did you know: public education and private ente... : derelict515
                • Totally unrelated. This is a video game that is supposed to want you to play it and have a good time. : kingdepork
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                So are you arguing that completely eliminating dedicated servers is a reasonable, appropriate response to... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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                  All I'm doing is presenting the other side and arguing with some points that I see as mistaken. I'm not s... : derelict515
                  • It's not a cheap option, by far, and to some extents it's not a desirable one because of some of the hole... : the archvile
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                    I still advocate implementing both solutions. As for the expense of implementing a dedicated server brows... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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                      We have no idea what kind of technical challenge it would be. We know for sure it would be time consuming... : derelict515
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                        First, and with all due respect, I have no fucking idea what a value proposition is. All I know is as a c... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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                          I listed exactly what those value propositions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_proposition) are: (red : derelict515
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                            Yes, you listed em. I just didn't know what the term meant. Sounds like another word for "feature" really... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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                              Lol. A game that honestly did shit the bed on it's multiplayer. GG. : kingdepork
                              • I used it once without issue. Its still preferable to Gearbox forcing me to join a random server. For now... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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                              Torchlight is better :P (see I play PC games!) : derelict515
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                                Please don't further tempt me to buy this. :( : Robotic Puppy Eater
                                • I meant to play as soon as I got home and I got wrapped up in the goddamn shack again. It's awesome. I wa... : derelict515
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        That's the point of what IW Is doing: giving you the same games no matter when you startup MP. You can... : sukabljat
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          I would hope you have found a few servers you like by now. Who connects to "random" servers after all ... : Jimbo Ro
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            a lot of people connect to random servers, which is exactly why they're making this change. Not everyone ... : derelict515
            • I don't think so. The changes proposed are much more drastic than simply removing this one obstacle. Th... : WhatIsThisFor
            • So go the L4D route. Match making that takes you to a server that isn't on a DSL line. Go the "pure se... : Jimbo Ro
          • I have found the ones that I like and set them to favorite, but that doesn't work for everyone. For some... : sukabljat
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          The same problem could be solved with a filter that automatically removes from the list any modded server... : WhatIsThisFor
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            Wasn't there a "Pure Server" option back in like....the 1990s for Quake 3? : Jimbo Ro
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              That just meant no cheats, I think : aggressor
              • It meant the client had to have the same list of PAK files as the server. I'd notice that when I'd conne... : the archvile
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          Most of the major mods are described in the server title. I've been playing CS since the early beta and n... : sanchez
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            but if you're a new player, or simply aren't aware of the mod scene, those names don't mean anything to y... : derelict515
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              So you think it's worth it to sacrifice all those mods and customization options just so noobs can instan... : sanchez
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                i just quickly opened steam and found a favorite server and it's listed as: [FPSB]Big 'Ol RotatioRTV][HLS... : EvilDolemite
                • tf2 is a tough game for the casual audience, theres a lot of mods and non-vanilla servers because people ... : Chandler55
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      Why should they dictate how every single customer plays the game ever? : Robotic Puppy Eater
      • Because that's what they do on consoles. Absolute control!!! : te[R]ror
    • So they're dropping potential customers on purpose? How does that do anything but harm their bottom line?... : d fluke
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    don't act like those are common, TF and CS are like decades old at this point too : derelict515
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      Does it matter? What about DOTA or GTA 3 Multiplayer or The Hidden or Neo Tokyo or... : WhatIsThisFor
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        Besides DOTA the 3 of those have tiny player bases compared to what IW could add to the CoD online commun... : derelict515
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          "by making multiplayer more approachable generic" Fixed that for ya. What exactly are they adding to t... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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            Generic? They aren't changing the gameplay, they're changing the way you connect to a game. Dedicated ... : kingdepork
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              No mod support. No custom settings or rules. They'll give you a few options but you'll be forever limited... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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                Halo 3 probably has as many crazy gamemodes as CoD4. : derelict515
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                  I kinda doubt it. Not to mention that you end up subject to the arbitrary whims of the developed. Remembe... : Robotic Puppy Eater
                  • There are some golden mods out there. But they are at the bottom of a sewage tank. Many amazing games h... : kingdepork
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                    you can still play Rocket Race with all your friends, just like you could on a dedicated server with that... : derelict515
                    • Bungie is still dictating the terms of how people access and whether its on a playlist or not. Here's ... : Robotic Puppy Eater
        • Certainly IW could have an improved matchmaking system, like L4D, but like L4D it could still retain the ... : WhatIsThisFor
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        dota is years old, gta3 too, why do pc gamers are stuck in the past? : scener
        • Neo Tokyo is zero years old, why didn't you mention that in your post? : WhatIsThisFor
    • There were plenty I enjoyed playing that weren't huge. Just because a handful ever made it to the big tim... : Robotic Puppy Eater
• Obligatory: http://lubosz.de/Firefox3PerformanceBug/why_we_cant_have_nice_things.jpg : Wolfanoz
• I'm going to guess dedicated servers will either be in a "hidden" command at launch or patched in soon af... : jermm
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  they closed the door on a section of their customer base. that base will voice their disdain with their w... : anthonybean
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    What I don't understand is why any sane business would turn its back on any non-marginal segment of its p... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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      Maybe you're not as big a segment as you think? http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/majopinion.htm : derelict515
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        Are you suggesting that PC gamers are "People with relatively extreme opinions"? Because if you are then ... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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          I'm certainly not suggesting you stop sharing opinions. I was just pointing out something that runs contr... : derelict515
          • PC gamers aren't a huge portion of their target audience. I won't argue that. But one estimate that I saw... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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            wait so you are saying IW has received feedback from a large portion of PC gamers that alot of us are ema... : peat
            • nevermind read that wrong : peat
        • The problem is these shit storms happen all the time. Yet they end up being forgotten. Usually after 5 ... : kingdepork
      • you have to be joking : peat
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      Maybe this set up will stem piracy and cater to a non-marginal segment of it's customers that find it too... : kingdepork
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        "stem piracy" lol. Welcome to the internet, sir. As for those who find joining a desirable server conf... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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          I was like this when i was 19. Now I actually just enjoy playing games. I have more respect for develo... : kingdepork
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            Game developers can do as they wish, yes. But that doesn't mean that its not a terrible decision. Also, t... : Robotic Puppy Eater
            • Of course a company needs to pay attention to its customers. But when the cost to please them outweighs t... : derelict515
            • Then I guess we'll just let the sales speak. : kingdepork
• Bobby Koteck is figuring everyone will bitch bitch bitch, but just buy it with in a month anyways. So yea... : supaslasha
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  I still can't get over how stupid of a name Activision Blizzard is. : Godhatesfatpeople
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    Also did they ever explain why it costs 10 dollars more than the console version? : Godhatesfatpeople
    • It's $60; I believe the console SKUs are also $60. No explanations given on the price increase IIRC. So... : the archvile
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      raised the price due to piracy but the dedicated servers are removed due to piracy. : stgdz
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        Maybe they're trying to make back some of the money lost on CoD 4. : kingdepork
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          Lost money on CoD 4? what? : gibolas1234
          • It was a PC piracy joke. : kingdepork
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      pc gamer had an article on that recently. In today's money, Homeworld cost $64.63 in 1999. HL2 cost $57 i... : Flynn
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        And by being one of the first AAA PC FPS titles to MSRP at $60, they got put on the shit list by many gam... : the archvile
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          these guys are just obviously not serious about the PC market. They probably dont have to be. But I mean ... : gyokuro
          • It may usher in a new audience. It may be an experiment to see if sales go up and piracy goes down. If... : kingdepork
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            I know; IWNet sounds almost like it was some executive's pet project, and it won out against the people w... : the archvile
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              This suggests the legions aren't quite what you think: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=21286405#it... : derelict515
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                Part of that was because the bots were far better than regulars on most servers. There was even a Penny-... : the archvile
                • That doesn't mean every game has to do that. : kingdepork
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                  I highly doubt any single person here complaining about the lack of dedicated servers would stop complain... : derelict515
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                    You're gonna go at this all night, aren't you? UT2004's bots was a very isolated case, since part of the... : the archvile
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                      The idea that for some reason I'm trolling by actively participating in this thread just as much as you, ... : derelict515
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                        at this point though the developers can tell you anything and you have to take it on their merit, at leas... : peat
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                          I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are you accusing the Epic guys of lying about their online player co... : derelict515
                          • wrong post my bad : peat
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                the UT/Quake deathmatch system is so repetitive it's a wonder that many people bought it : peat
                • They are games that need a mod community to carry it. : kingdepork
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                  Besides the fact that a large portion of the people here complaining about the lack of dedicated servers ... : derelict515
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                    i'm surprised someone who cut their teeth on games like that wouldn't be upset at the lack of dedicated s... : peat
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                      Because I see matchmaking as a perfectly valid alternative, and I recognize that although it might suck f... : derelict515
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                        Yeah good mods and maps are far and few between. Most are a joke and not really made for gameplay purpos... : kingdepork
                        • Ohh look you 2 agree. I sure hope your zealotry to decry any benefits of PC gaming, and laud every chang... : tree8
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                          I cannot begin to list how many mods and maps I've played that I've gotten enjoyment out of, what is this... : MercFox1
                          • While I wouldn't call them a joke, I don't think it's that contentious to say that the number of really g... : derelict515
                        • How are all the maps and class updates for TF2 for the 360 working out? : Jimbo Ro
                • The Deatmatch gametype creates the most varied action situations that are possible possible in computer g... : madspacemarinemustdie
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      I don't think they deserve flak for raising the price. They can price it whatever they want. People will ... : gibolas1234
      • "wait for it to come down" I always do : MamiyaOtaru
    • Have to recoup all that investment into IWnet because it delivers such...amazing...uhhh...new and fresh e... : Dr_Cube
  • Actard is much better. : SiW.
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  You know it'd be really funny if IW used Gamespy for PC matchmaking in MW2 : phate81
  • You want to see an abortion, huh? : MercFox1
  • Please don't mention that service. Gamespy did more harm than good. I still don't understand why develope... : Dr_Cube
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  I think it's time to move on already. If you feel this is an important issue don't buy MW2, tell your fri... : ghost in my shell
  • The problem is that if the game doesn't sell on the PC, they're not likely to support it the next time ar... : Dynotaku
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  its a PC game why cant that just say "oops our bad" and patch the fucking thing? : gyokuro
  • IWnet. This is their big chance to get their foot in the door and establish a Steam/Battle.net/Live type ... : Dr_Cube
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  It's about control and making money off it, so they'll roll back whatever they feel like they can make a ... : Visceral Monkey
  • Bingo. Monetization. : Dr_Cube
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  It's not about me feeling special (I know I'm that 15% and shrinking) or feeling that anyone owes me anyt... : te[R]ror
  • console gamers never had any control that is the thing. xbox live is the monster that launched this where... : peat
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  LOL at developers forgetting that its the unwashed modders who have contually proven they will show the o... : Lightzout
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    what : derelict515
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      Counter-strike, Desert Combat, words, words, words : Lightzout
      • Good mods are the exception. In fact I'd say the ratio of good games compared to good mods is far, far hi... : Fred Garvin
      • Darnified UI, LURK, Natural Selection 2, nouns, nouns, nouns : MercFox1
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  I experienced PS3 listen servers for the first time today at a cousins house. We had to wait 30 minutes f... : astrogiblets
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    Bottom line: residential internet connections CANNOT support serving for 8-10 gamers. Even the 18 meg con : derelict515
    • I should have said "most residential connections". And no, his internet was fine. : astrogiblets
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      They deal with the lag. I gave up my expensive cable connection and got DSL for 1/3 the price. I coul... : Jimbo Ro
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        the idea that millions of people are somehow happy playing with 200 pings just because they're on console... : derelict515
        • we'll never be able to know cause we can only play 8v8 : peat
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          I'm not sure what pings were, because these games don't give you that information. However, I know that w... : astrogiblets
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            Apparently your friend is cursed then. There were tons of people here shocked to find SF4 playable online... : derelict515
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              You speak for a lot of people then. All my experiences with Halo 3 matchmaking has been waiting for playe... : MercFox1
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                he speaks for me. i've played my fair share of console MP, all genres, and it's never been an issue. : EvilDolemite
                • It could be your location too. If your in/near a big city than you will probably have less problems. ... : astrogiblets
              • I second this. The RESTARTING SEARCH message pops up all the time in the Halo 3 matchmaking. You could ha... : Dr_Cube
              • I have rarely waited over 30 seconds to join a game in Halo. : Yanks
            • SF4 is "playable" online, but it's still much laggier than offline, and probably 1 in every 5 matches is ... : Benefit
    • Client side hosting is a disease afflicting video games. We all know that most residential connections ca... : Dr_Cube
• Man I am so glad I don't really care about this series. It's kind of a disturbing direction for PC games... : Sapiens
• Tis a good article. Presents the complaints from PC gamers well. Tries to explain them to the console cro... : Dr_Cube
• when is valve going to release the patch to make the game better (ie: remove dedicated servers) lol??? : ballystix
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  After playing TF2 for a while this weekend, I kinda agree with IW. Idk what's a normal server or a custom... : pun][sher
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    How long is for a while? There have been people playing TF2 and other MP Fpses for a 'long' while who li... : mnsnota
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      i think the point he's trying to make is that it's a serious pain in the ass to find a NORMAL tf2 server ... : Sapiens
      • Tremendous pain, I hate all the modded TF2 servers, completely breaks the game. Same thing drove me away ... : Serpico74
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        NO crits is the best thing about TF2 servers. : Jimbo Ro
        • armchair designers : spiderfill
        • And while you're certainly entitled to be wrong, it's really annoying when I can't find a vanilla server ... : Sapiens
        • It's not the best thing. But it is a good alternative for a short break sometimes. : Godhatesfatpeople
  • It'd be great if they had a filter for custom mods and whatnot. I don't mind them and I do like playing o... : Mmmmmoo
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    You develop an eye for whats a custom server. I have a good number of "pure" TF2 servers in my favorites ... : Godhatesfatpeople
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      This is a pretty unacceptable solution for the average gamer, and is still a PITA even if you know what y... : Sapiens
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        Which is exactly why IW included in the COD4 PC Server Browser....you guessed it, a "No Mods" category. : MercFox1
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          My bad, thought we were talking about TF2. : Sapiens
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            We're talking about PC games. : MercFox1
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              Pretty sure this subthread is about TF2! : Sapiens
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                Kay. Well, since I'm roped into talking about TF2, aren't the server tags helpful in that respect? : MercFox1
                • They would be in a perfect world where all servers tagged all of the mods they use. : Sapiens
      • It's always been trial and error. When I first jumped into TF2. I had no problem finding pure servers. An... : Godhatesfatpeople
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        The average gamer is probably playing TF2 on a console where this stuff isn't an issue. If they simpli... : tree8
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          Who said anything about "simplifying everything down to console level"? I want to be able to find a godd... : Sapiens
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            Seriously dude. It doesn't take very long. : Godhatesfatpeople
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              And now we're back to the "pretty unacceptable solution for the average gamer" point I made earlier. I'm : Sapiens
              • If they're a "normal" PC gamer then they wouldn't have a problem finding servers. I think you mean to say... : Godhatesfatpeople
              • Well, here's something uncomfortable to say: I think, judging by this and every other thread dealing with... : MercFox1
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            I think you just answered your own question. If ti's really so complicated you're on the wrong platform.... : tree8
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              PC gaming is complicated enough on the hardware and OS side of things for most people. Turning around an... : Sapiens
              • So what's your point in this? PC gaming is too annoying? Just TF2? If every game had a pure server che... : tree8
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                Most people don't need to be and probably shouldn't be PC gamers. PC gaming has an exceptional, unique fl... : SpaecKow
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                  What the fuck I am not talking about myself, I am talking about PC gaming's inaccessibility in general. : Sapiens
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                    I don't have the patience to sit here read all your longass posts just to decipher what is your personal ... : SpaecKow
                    • Okay my bad Sapiens you were right this is pretty shitty and you make good points there's no reason why t... : SpaecKow
                  • You could've stated that early on and been done with it. I don't think anyone disagrees with you. : tree8
                • Haha, you're hilarious. : uncleanmonkey
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    • Yep. That's how I see it. Until more consumers decide to condemn this kind of stuff, they will continue... : pigvomit
    • Hell, let's make this REALLY REALLY REALLY easy and make it so that Quick Match (or matchmaking or whatev... : MercFox1
• We should all be making a case for $60 for a 8 hour, probably less, handicapped multiplayer PC game. If... : freakynipples69
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  just don't buy it. : Benefit
  • Thanks captain obvious. He's clearly trying to start a discussion and spread awareness. Just don't post. : syn0r

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  Noctua is quite quiet fan but quite pricey. : Vegtro
  • I agree. Very quiet fan while also one of the best perfomers. I use a noctua p12 fan + thermalright 120 u... : Alco23
  • Another vote for noctua here... : five_percent
  • I'm a big fan of Noctua as well. : Sapiens
  • noctua owns, I have a nh-u12p se and a seasonic m12d psu and I can't hear my pc even when I try : rgoer
• I've been buying Seasonic PSUs for the past few years and they are very very quiet. : ghost in my shell
• If you have enough space, Xigmatek 1832 or one of the Noctua models. : Freon
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  http://www.silentpcreview.com/Recommended_Heatsinks http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewforum.php... : Shai-Tan
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    btw if you get it really silent the hard drives might start to bother you if they aren't one of the newer... : Shai-Tan
    • Your case would probably be cooler with the same number of fans if you kept it closed since it would be a... : Sapiens
• Noctua NH-U12P; for power supply, Corsair or Seasonic : Goncyn
• NOCTUA! I went from a zalman cnp 9500, noisy as hell when turned up all the way, to a noctua uh-12p and i... : ajvitaly
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NKQitA13IU&feature=related : SolrFlare
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  I remember you talking about building that system with Faylor on the Shack Cast. : trOmblyj
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    And Breckon. : trOmblyj
    • we do not speak of him : Draugluin
  • he bought it off me : pancake humper
• Mr. Remo, I don't run a CPU cooler. I get a huge fat heatsink and then just rely on case fans to keep it... : spazzium
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  I've gone with Scythe fanless heatsinks on both my Core 2 Duo and now on an i7 920. Perfectly silent and... : SeaLlama
  • This man knows what's up. : spazzium
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    which model? : mallfouf
    • First a Ninja, and now a Mugen (only 40 bucks too) : SeaLlama
  • Are there fanless heatsink solutions not involving water-cooling that can be used on heavy-duty gaming sy... : DOOManiac
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  Arctic Freezer Pro 7 , great cooler and great price. under $25 : dignan
  • this is a good, quiet one. : anthonybean
• Once upon a time Zalman was synonomous with low-noise cooling, but that fell apart years ago when other c... : poindexter1985
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  Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro. : Dr_Cube
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    Oops. Should have replied to dignan. I standardized on the Freezer 7 Pro years ago. It easy to install, q... : Dr_Cube
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      http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134R I snagged two of these open box units... : Dr_Cube
      • its easily the best performing cost effective cooler, and yes, very very quiet : dignan
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      Cube, have you installed any that don't turn on immediately? my current one doesn't start for like 3-4 s... : dignan
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        No. I have used them in a plethora of Asus P965 chipset boards, P35 chipset boards, some nforce 650i boar... : Dr_Cube
        • Restore your BIOS to default settings and see if you still have that 3-4 second delay. : Dr_Cube
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  Zerotherm BTF80 doesnt even need a fan. Its kooky. It's been discontinued now and its the btf95 sans ... : Lightzout
  • eh http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835887001 : Lightzout
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  There's nothing quieter than the Scythe Orochi SCORC-1000. It's much quieter than Noctua's hsfs. Sadly yo... : Link.
  • Unless you get fanless, which I'm wary for a C2D. Sure, fanless is great for a low-end C2D or Athlon X2, ... : Link.
• I just installed a PC Power & Cooling Silencer 370 in my HTPC and it is gloriously quiet. Like 20db quie... : trevis
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  Wait what? if you are using a 9700 you either dont have a 4pin or 3 pin controller on your board and your... : Iwannaacura
  • Are you sure it was the PSU? The fans in those are super quiet and don't come on unless you are really d... : Sapiens
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    Yeah, check your bios for anything that will limit the fan speed. I'm using a 9700 in my computer, and my... : Gnowknayme
    • ...and for a quiet PSU, the Corsair HX520 I have is very quiet as well. : Gnowknayme
    • This i dont think Remo has a board that can allow him to control fan speed. Because zalman should be sile... : Iwannaacura
• Thermalright (NOT thermattake) Thermalright TRUE Copper Ultra-120 eXtreme for maximum cooling, or HR-... : MamiyaOtaru
• Alright, just ordered an Arctic Freezer Pro 7. I think I'll pick up a Seasonic X-650 when it starts to hi... : Chris Remo

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• more like golden parachutes him out at his leisure. : Borzoi
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  Total games I have played in the past 2 weeks: 5 Number of games that I paid $59 for? 0 My point ... : Thresher
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    Problem is that these guys will keep to dictate the market and as long as gamers suck it up they'll keep ... : lolnub
    • New tony hawk will also flop.. : AndyGoin
  • I refuse to spend $60 on a game unless it's a blockbuster and pretty much guaranteed to be awesome (like ... : MagicWishMonkey
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  Atari 2600 games were $40. NES games were $50. Adjusted for inflation, game prices are ok. But it's a p... : GeorgeB3DR
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    Do you know how much VHS cost? And DVDs. Cassettes vs cd's? I seem to remember nes games being $30. Th... : AndyGoin
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      this is such a terrible argument that i can't decide if it is a troll or not. : deveus1
      • everyone should just sell their games for $15/month. It works for Blizzard. : derelict515
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        Which part? Why act like games are some magical medium that deserve a double increase in price in 20 yea... : AndyGoin
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          the MEDIUM the games come on has changed. Back in the cart days you were paying a lot more for the conta... : Jimbo Ro
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            and now games cost $100 million to make instead of $1 million : derelict515
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              some movies cost 1m to make, others cost 100m, but you don't get extra pricing because they put so much e... : lolnub
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                You also can't rent a movie the day it comes out. : ZombieAcademy
                • ding ding ding : imperator
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                  If anything that's an argument for saying movies should be more expensive because they're losing revenue ... : Super Sparker
                  • there's no revenue on game rentals to the developer ... : imperator
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              Oh cmon very very few games cost remotely near 100 million dollars to make yet they all start at $60. Gi... : AndyGoin
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                You know my point. No games in 1985 cost $20 million to make, not even close. It was orders of magnitude ... : derelict515
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                  Ok cool : AndyGoin
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                    I know you have nothing reasonable to contribute at this point, so here's some more data to contradict yo : derelict515
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                      Welp you sure know it all, you got me, valve, and everyone else encouraging lower game prices. I have lo... : AndyGoin
                      • Clever use of Valve, etc. when there is no etc. I'm all for what Valve is doing and I love Torchlight at ... : derelict515
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                  Yeah, but a AAA game today probably sells 10x more than a AAA game in 1985. : Frank_Mackey
                  • And costs 100x more to make. : Marrbe
              • And 99% of the time, the games that cost 100 million end up making huge profits. : MagicWishMonkey
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                When were new NES games $30? The premium titles around here were almost always ~$100 and in a lot of case... : ieGod
                • I remember paying $90 for the first Resident Evil. : ieGod
            • And they sell a much much much higher quantity and make more on each item sold as profit. If games cos... : Jimbo Ro
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              No way it is that much. : WhatIsThisFor
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                not on average but http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/52464 : derelict515
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                  lol like that's a reputable site : c0bra
                  • yeah whatever happened to that guy posting that article? : derelict515
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                  Now it's late here...but doesn't that mean they would only have to sell ~ 2 million copies to turn a pro... : Jimbo Ro
                  • It really depends I guess; Sins was considered a great success by Stardock and I think the highest number... : MercFox1
          • ya, its all about the dev costs : technotica
        • because games haven't doubled their price in the last 20 years. Even 10 years ago they were actually more... : derelict515
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          Double in your fantasy world. New games were never that cheap, not even on the 2600 or the Intellivision. : Serpico74
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            I did some research by looking into the old Sears catalogs and while the NES games started at $25 at laun... : AndyGoin
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              Good find. Boy, I always remember them always being around $50. Either way, they've been at that price : Serpico74
              • I'm just glad I'm not Australian! : AndyGoin
      • well, to give him credit, old nintendo cartiridges were pretty expensive to make. : chilln
    • They need to find that sweet ratio where the volume of units they sell absolutely mitigates lower prices. : Rice-Rocketeer
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      This is my feeling exactly. It's almost as if publishers are just putting their hands over their ears an... : Thresher
      • Exactly but no, let's blame Gamestop and pirates and everything but the sacred price of games. : AndyGoin
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      I paid $65 for SMB3 iirc : riptyde
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        Pretty sure I paid $60 for Captain Skyhawk. : ArcKnight
        • Yep, I bought Megaman 3 with money I got for my eighth birthday. It cost $53 after taxes. Why do I reme... : CyCo_PL
    • NES games cost $50, and some SNES games cost as much as $60-$75. : Serpico74
    • NES games were $50 I knew a Ntendo game cost $50 since I was 2 years old lol : technotica
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    SNES RPGs were $70+, Phantasy Star 4 was 99 (and it came in a paper box, fuck you sega), and Neo Geo game... : ghost in my shell
    • The flip side of that is the gaming market is vastly larger than it was before. I'll take 10 million sal... : riptyde
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    Riiiight. How are those piracy numbers treating you? : MagicWishMonkey
    • Piracy happens in mass amounts regardless of price. Do some research. There are many .99 iPhone games t... : GeorgeB3DR
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    SNES games cost between $40 and $80. Phantasy Star on SMS cost $80. Sega CD games cost $60-$70. It wasn't... : roushimsx
    • Agreed, people seem to think they will get to keep paying the same amount for something despite rising co... : Evil Benius
    • There was a choke on those games from those era's. Remember when shops began "renting" games like they di... : Godhatesfatpeople
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    Keep raising the prices. Demo's become more and more non-existent. Services like Gamefly will only prospe... : Godhatesfatpeople
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      Keep raising prices? This is the first time I can remember since I started gaming that PC game prices hav... : Evil Benius
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        Prices in general. : Godhatesfatpeople
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          Are fine in my book when you look at old prices, inflation, and the rising costs of making games. Either ... : Evil Benius
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            Voting with your wallet also doesn't mean we will get less quality. Indeed, something will give. This con... : Godhatesfatpeople
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              The difference is I do not think we are paying high prices at all, I always feel like I am getting my mon... : Evil Benius
              • My issue with a lot of this is that those price tags aren't always justified. So much shit is being put o... : Godhatesfatpeople
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            or lower prices to increase demand. see: Hollywood How often would theaters sell out if tickets wer... : MagicWishMonkey
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              Given that movies are generally 1.5 hours, whereas games are more like 10, that $60 is about $9 proportio... : uncleanmonkey
              • Also depends what game we're talking about. Not every game has a design that makes replays worth it. : Godhatesfatpeople
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                It depends, most games suck and aren't worth playing for more than 30-45 minutes. Sure, the good ones... : MagicWishMonkey
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                  Most movies suck too. Keep in mind that that the price is about the same for a game you didn't like and s... : uncleanmonkey
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                    I don't mind wasting $10 on a crappy movie... when I waste $60 on a crappy game I feel like I've been rip... : MagicWishMonkey
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                      Maybe you just need to lighten up then and consider that overall $60 is a fucking bargain for the amount ... : uncleanmonkey
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                        I agree, it's not a huge deal, I just know for certain that I would buy 10x as many games if they were pr... : MagicWishMonkey
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                          I think games would pretty much be in that range if we could sell directly to consumers with no used sale... : uncleanmonkey
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                            I agree, it would also hurt the video game rental business. : MagicWishMonkey
                            • I won't shed any tears when it's killed off completely. The video game industry is too "razor edge" to to... : uncleanmonkey
  • I agree. You can get lots of good deals after games are released now. The relative price of games right n... : Marrbe
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  Kotick is a fucking DOUCHE. : Rice-Rocketeer
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    And this explains it very well: http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/2009/08/10/the-destruction-of-blizzard/ : lolnub
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      What an awful blog. The guy just comes across as paranoid and whiny. I read through some more of his ar... : CyCo_PL
      • Only the paranoid survive : Cihte
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  ME and my brother aren't buying MW2 even though we both bought and enjoyed MW1, it's not even about the $... : imcompa
  • id prolly just wait for MW2 to get to $24 so i could go ahead and play it instead of waiting 4 years for ... : technotica
• the majority of stocks are falling. Has nothing to do with that : mista mista
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  if their stock drops any more before MW2 come out, I'm going to consider it a solid Buy. That game is go... : treefingers1
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    Now I'm not an analyst by any means... but a P/E of 100? Even at this very low point in share price? Se... : noven
    • ... and apparently their last quarter revs of a billion bucks beat estimates. This actually smells like ... : noven
  • But will it sell enough? It's their only big property of the holiday season, really. And DJ Hero has the... : Perturbation
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  I've got way less money for games this yeah than the last few. $60 is way out of my budget. Game I ... : IHATEDUST
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    You should buy the shit out of L4D2. : MercFox1
    • thats the ticket : technotica
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      Uh, actually that is the one I will insist on waiting to hit the sale price. I still feel the burn of pa... : IHATEDUST
      • its just that the cool thing with L4D is that they seem to be in this habit of releasing, almost, the SAM... : technotica
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    so do you usually buy like 1 $50 game a year or something more like 2 $25 games a year? : technotica
    • Usually, I buy lots of Sub $50 PC games. I try to get stuff on sale, especially after paying full price ... : IHATEDUST
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  dont these dipshits know that we are in a recession? $60 + tax a game is STUPID. : gyokuro
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    betcha cant wait till they go up to $70 with the next cycle of consoles huh? : technotica
    • (note to self) sometimes, (believe it or not), taking care of ones self, (so ive heard) can be more impor... : technotica
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    Gamestop charges 110 $ for launch titles in Denmark so sleep safe knowing your'e still better off. : imperator
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      Yeah, good luck finding new games for $60 here. : Marrbe
      • man... id be so pissed. Its actually prolly cheaper to import games there huh? I think its crazy they are... : technotica
• People in the know call him Bobby Kotex. : azshack
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  I seriously think sometimes that Valve are the only people in the industry who "get it". : Godhatesfatpeople
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    & Zenimax : d fluke
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      And Id and Splash Damage. I've come to realize how spoiled I was being surrounded by "developers who get : the archvile
      • I was thinking publishers, but Id is owned by Zenimax/Bethesda now and Splash has their new game via them... : d fluke
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  This is why PC gamers need to stop complaining about issues as trivial as dedicated servers and need to s... : freakynipples69
  • I don't think the dedicated server issue is trivial, but I agree that we need to protest the price hike, ... : the archvile
• Blockbuster needs to start a game rental service ala gamefly. : MagicWishMonkey
• i know that in canada i was buying more games when they were down at 59.99. since they went up to 69.99 ... : dantastic
• that guy looks like a douchenozzle : Clay
• Kotick owns a significant portion of ATVI, he isn't going anywhere. : rudds
• It's pretty interesting in the UK at the moment because publishers can't dictate retail pricing like they : peanut-
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  I've only paid full price for one game this year. And that was Batman: AA and I only paid full price bec... : mrwolf710
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    I got CoD:WaW at Best Buy on a whim, and because I got extra money from selling something. I bought Wolf... : the archvile
    • I should say I bought CoD:WaW this year; IIRC it was $45 or $40, but I got $20 extra, so I said "Hell wit... : the archvile
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  A $40 Atari 2600 game in 1982 would be $89.52 in 2009 dollars. A $40 NES game in 1988 would be $73.02 in : Bold
  • Also consider that wages haven't gone up that much in comparison to inflation in recent years, so that se... : the archvile
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    interesting anyone good at +/- can factor in the price of a PS3 game in 2009, using the pricing scale ... : technotica
    • A $60 PS3 game would instead sell for $134.28 if prices had remained consistent. : Bold
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  For all of you that are defending more expensive games (which blows my fucking mind) how do explain that ... : mrwolf710
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    Agreed; there was also that Valve study on how the sales volume increased so much during a L4D blowout sa... : the archvile
    • I guess Torchlight was another launch day purchase, but it was $20, it's a new genre for me, I watched th... : the archvile
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    The retailer makes more at a lower price, the publisher does not. Don't forget that out of your $60 about... : uncleanmonkey
    • I'm talking about Steam mainly. Buying games in a box is gonna go away within a 5 years anyways. : mrwolf710

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• Rent them. It's not for every movie anyway. : ThomW
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  I'm surprised how fast my BR purchases took a dive after the initial wow of getting a PS3. The price is a... : ghost in my shell
  • yup I hardly buy movies anyway but anything i feel is actually worthy of buying i want it to be the be... : technotica
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  Fuck blu-ray now and forever, Sony's milking that shit and it deserves to die from digital distribution : jimmy-buffett
  • DD has a LONG way to go to offer the quality and features of Bluray. : Jimbo Ro
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    god damn it, i hate when I agree with jimmy-buffett. but seriously, fuck blu-ray. I can stream 1080p, tim... : NexusOne
    • That would really suck for us people who'd go over their bandwidth usage after watching 5 movies. : NastyJack
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      You can stream "1080p" video on a shitty fuck connection. That doesn't mean the 1080p video will look an... : Jimbo Ro
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        Yeah. People don't get it at all or have low standards. I ignore all the streaming posts. Streaming Ne... : GeorgeB3DR
        • yup, it looks good but its nowhere near blu ray. Especially if you have a really high end setup, then id ... : technotica
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      Fuck that, I LIKE physical media. : thetangent
      • Yeah me too. I'm not a movie collector but if I was I'd be buying physical copies just like I do with mus... : NastyJack
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        i hate it. i acknowledge its superiority right now, but i still hate it. : EvilDolemite
        • I hate physical media as well. It takes up too much space, is fragile, can be lost. When ever I buy a D... : Jimbo Ro
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      Umm, i like to have a physical copy of my media sometimes. Personal preference. I like to show my collect... : Skoal^Fyfan
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        I think I'd lose most of my interest in music after awhile if I couldn't have physical copies of albums. ... : NastyJack
        • yes I am the same way, I very much need to possess "the thing" because I am a collector (read: crazy) : rgoer
        • I feel the same way. I think they'll be able to coexist with each other. People (myself included) still... : Mecha Tofu Pirate
      • Whipping out a popcorn hour or xbmc screen with all the covers, fan art, credits and imdb ratings is much... : Clay
    • lol enjoy your banded blacks : rgoer
  • When digital distribution offers 40mbit bitrate or higher encodes, call me. Until then, BRD or future phy... : Link.
  • Digital distribution looks like ass in comparison. No thanks, I'm not blind. : Serpico74
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  amazon has a shit load of Blurays for under $20 and a lot for under $15. : Jimbo Ro
  • http://www.amazon.com/Dawn-Dead-Blu-ray-Ted-Bank/dp/B000UR9QIK 28 new from $14.38 8 used from $12.96 : Jimbo Ro
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  Yeah I'll rent the occasional blu ray but I'm just not all that excited about it for two reasons: I don't... : NastyJack
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    DVD is fine till you start watching 1080p. If you're on a 720p tv, then yeah wahtever...you aren't even ... : GeorgeB3DR
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      I've seen 1080p. It looks amazing. DVD still looks fine. : NastyJack
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        DVDs look way worse, and sound worse than blurays. The quality jump is very large. : Jimbo Ro
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          I never said it wasn't. I said when I watch a regular old DVD I'm not telling myself it looks bad like I ... : NastyJack
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            This is where I stand as well. Blu-Ray > DVD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>VHS : riptyde
            • Exactly. : Dr_Cube
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              Yup. Regular DVD upsampled to 720p on my projector looks great. : dognose
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                And I have an HD-DVD player and yes it looks better but not enough to warrant the extra money. : dognose
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                  Well thats because dogs can't see in color :p : Jimbo Ro
                  • I am not an animal! I am a human being! I am a man. : dognose
            • VHS 4 Lyfe!! : pwnjoo
  • Sounds like you haven't watched many movies on Bluray. There's a huge, huge difference even for films tha... : Link.
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  Takes time for prices to drop. Early adoption and all that. As more players get sold, things drop. The... : GeorgeB3DR
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    Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the price of DVD's actually go up quite a bit after awhile? I stopped ... : NastyJack
    • No that I recall. I got dvd's the 1st year they shipped and I remember paying $35-$40 for a dvd. it was.