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  guess what, it's Friday! : Maarten Goldstein
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    BACK THE THE SLAVE PENS WITH YOU. We need DLCs now. :D : Techy007
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      whut? : Maarten Goldstein
      • Dude just called you a slave : ateam311
    • You've got the wrong guy. You want that Steve Gibson dude. He's a little busy rolling in money though. : melkore
    • Steve Gibson != Maarten Goldstein : deject
  • Hell yes it is. : at0micgarden
  • Our copies better arrive tomorrow. : Mad Brahmin Disease
• all i read was "loving it hard" : whistletits
• I was playing with 3 friends last night also, and we did a few missions that were a few levels above us. ... : MaxPete82
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  Would you guys shut up about this game? It's already hard enough waiting for Steam to unlock the PC versi... : phate81
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    speaking of that, will it unlock at 12:01 Monday morning/sunday night ? : botch
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      I hear 3:00 PM EST Monday : Reeves
      • I'm surprised you haven't had a stroke from waiting yet, Reeves! : zuff
    • it's like, 3pm EST on Monday. : zerog83
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      Valve time I'd usually 1PM PST or something like that. : Nitrium
      • I'd is, dammit iPhone : Nitrium
• I need euro friends to play with tonight and tomorrow and the day after : Drankje
• Arhughes, another friend and I were playing some 3 person co-op last night. It was pretty awesome, but I'... : silent prophet
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  Probably a dumb question, does Borderlands have multiplayer? What do you do after you hit level cap? : atom519
  • start a new character : brainchild420
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    Co-op multiplayer is the best part of the game. You basically can have up to 3 people join you at any tim... : silent prophet
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      How do loot drops work? Are items split evenly among party members or first to grab it gets it? : prime8
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        First to grab. : Haxim
        • im pretty sure cash is shared though. : cpt_gloval
  • It's designed for coop.. After you hit level cap you can kill shit and look for loot or make a new charac... : Reeves
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    From what I understand, the level cap is 50 and you just play until you beat the game, then can play a "n... : at0micgarden
    • If you smack someone it spawns a dome where you duel.. Then there are arenas which you physically travel ... : Reeves
  • Go to arena!!!! : zuff
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  Does anyone know if you can eventually spawn 2 vehicles at once? It's annoying to have one person hoof it... : at0micgarden
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    I've definitely seen video of four people riding in two cars, but I have no idea how to do it yet. I stil... : silent prophet
    • Try using the bumper buttons on the vehicle select screen. People say you can tab over to a second vehicl... : silent prophet
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    You can always spawn 2 AFAIK : Reeves
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      Maybe it has to be from two different stations... I tried spawning 2 from one station and it just made th... : at0micgarden
      • I think another person has to spawn it. I've watched streams where people do it.. : Reeves
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        No, one person can spawn two vehicles.I've done it in a single player campaign. As stated above, you hav... : Clasifyd
        • How is the vehicular gameplay? The Shacknews review said nothing about it. : Wilhuf
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    Yes. It's kind of retarded, but on the vehicle selection screen, press RB or LB to get to the "Second Veh... : saunders45
    • ^^^^^ : silent prophet
    • ^^^^^^^^ : multisync
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      awesome, thank you!! : at0micgarden
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        You are welcome, at0micgarden! : CrustaR
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          no YOU are welcome crustar. : xxiv
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            no YOU are welcome xxiv. : kn1fe
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              I am welcome. : saunders45
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                I welcome no one. : MindFukr
                • Welcome... to zombo com! : 69gooch69
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    You can always spawn 2 vehicles. Check out what saunders said, you probably missed that. : DinK
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      Siren hopping on the elemental bandwagon. Flame SMG's and sniper rifle rules. : saunders45
      • WTF... wrong reply... : saunders45
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  What classes are you guys playing? : irrerno
  • Hunter. Headshots make me hard. : Clasifyd
  • I started with Lilith because I realized she seems built for DPS, and I knew my co-op buddy would go sold... : silent prophet
  • I'm thinking about going brick =] : irrerno
  • Sniper without hesitation. Second character will be Siren. : Ebu
  • I plan to play Siren when I can finally play on Monday : Begawkiness
  • Berserker. Punching people is way more fun that I thought it would be. : arhughes
  • I went boring 'ol Soldier. It's been fun, but I look forward to trying something a little more "gimmicky"... : Entity
  • Hunter. At level 10 my bird instagibs pretty much every enemy I come across. Makes you damn near untouc... : riptyde
  • Soldier. : prime8
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    hunter, i'm putting points toward gunslinger. my revolver does so much damage it gets dudes stuck in geom... : cpt_gloval
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      Does that hunter skill work for repeater pistols too? ...I hope so! : rak
      • the gunslinger skill doesn't list a specific weapon, so i assume it's for whatever you're holding. : cpt_gloval
      • Yes, it's supposed to cover all 'pistols'. I would have been more skeptical of the revolver, but I'm gla... : Clasifyd
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    THREAD VARIANT: PC People: what class will you play when you start? : Rotten Deadite
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      Engineer or spy, I'm not too sure yet. : lolpatrol
      • Erectin a sentry! : Beady
      • Demoman is good too. : JediDwag
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      GIGN or Navy seal : nrgXs
      • Arctic Avengers 4 LIFE : DrFlammable
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      Sniper with a crazy pistol build or Brick with a melee build. Haven't decided yet. : Link.
      • I've had good luck so far with the sniper/pistol combo. Pick off guys from far off, and use a pistol to ... : riptyde
    • Pyro...I mean...Soldier : Kylegar
    • going soldier for sure. : Downforce
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      This is going to be awesome. I know nothing about the specifics of the game, even down to not being aware... : xsoulbrothax
      • I didn't know there even were classes until a week ago. : Ebu
    • http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=21221670#itemanchor_21221670 : Ebu
    • Hunter for sure.. Mouse aiming will make it a LOT easier : ShadowRam
  • Hunter - just started on the skill that makes me ignore shields. 3 more points then I have 100% shield a... : mwasher
• I'm one bar of XP on my soldier to 24 so I can use my Orange Rifle \m/ Other Weapons I have are: Purp... : multisync
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  All of my friends are going to Orlando for the evening, so I'm going to be home pretty much all night pla... : Clasifyd
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    ^^ LOOK AT THIS ^^ Please pardon my attention whoring. : Clasifyd
    • pretty : wwonderboy334
  • My 4-player group has done exactly that. We each play our characters only with each other, so we're all ... : DinK
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    Nobody wants to play with me? =( : Clasifyd
    • I'll play but I won't be available until like 9 or 10 pm EST. : prime8
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      You can join our game and we can power level you ;) Shackname = gamertag. : at0micgarden
      • That may be fun. What class are you missing? : Clasifyd
• Agreed, completely loving it. My damned co-op group won't be able to fully assemble again until Sunday t... : DinK
• MY BORDERLANDS Seriously, waiting for this thing to unlock is the worst. :( : slax0r
• Steam finished preloading last night! I payed for this game and I can't play it even though it's on my c... : nevlos
• I found out you can mortar with the vehicles into camps that are too hard. I got a nice lvl 24 rifle tha... : g0nk
• Coop Additciton at its finest last night. 3 @ level 12 : MaverickOrig
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  I know this has been asked a billion times but is it better for PC or Xbox? I don't have multiplayer set... : handofthrawn
  • I'd also like to know the answer to this : proclone1
  • head to head: Overall The differences between Borderlands' three versions really shouldn't be surpri... : at0micgarden
  • If you don't have Live on XBox, definitly get PC. Coming from a guy that plays almost all games solo, coo... : Clasifyd
  • I'm highly enjoying it on 360 right now. It's hella awesome! : g0nk
  • Well, PC version isn't out yet so only the devs and some reviewers could accurately answer. : Ebu
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  I can't decide between 360 and PC - any other 360 owners kind of wishing they got PC like the OP? : veras
  • nope. lovin' the 360 version! although my PC wont run the PC version, because it's a Mac.. : g0nk
  • Not really. 360 plays great. The controls feel nice and responsive. : silent prophet
  • Nope. I'm enjoying the shit out of the 360 version even though this is the type of game I normally would... : DinK
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    360 has split screen coop, that made my decision for me : theWhite
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      Wut? This just went from barely on my radar to near must-buy. Split screen co-op is GOOD for my marriag... : Zakko
      • Its a pure FPS in the vein of Halo or Call of Duty. There is aim assist, but your skill aiming the gun ma... : silent prophet
  • I was worried about controls on the 360, but the use of the 'accuracy' stat seems to make it a non-issue.... : quartic0
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    I feel like the controls and the FOV on the 360 version are reason enough to want the PC version. I don't... : Vincent Grayson
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      Have you even played it? Your post history suggests not but maybe I missed something. I haven't felt th... : DinK
      • Yeah, I rented the 360 version to tide me over and try it out. I like it okay, but the controls feel a lo... : Vincent Grayson
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  Guns!! So what type of gun modifiers do you like most? How effective is the explosive? (range, damage) ... : MaverickOrig
  • incendiary smg's are great for skag swarms, plain old combat rifles with high damage are nice for bandits... : at0micgarden
  • GUNS!! how good is explosive?. How big is the radius? How much damage does it do in comparison to the ini... : MaverickOrig
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    as of level 21, i dig the electric sniper mod. i also appreciate fire rate and recoil reduction bonuses. : cpt_gloval
    • electric does some DOT and it also has the chance to electrocute and immobilize the mob for a period of t... : cpt_gloval
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    Fire is very handy vs scags. Fire off a couple of bursts until one sets aflame, and then move on to the ... : riptyde
    • Agreed. I have a revolver that does fire damage and it tears up Alpha Skags : kikilupo
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    How do the elemental modifiers work anyway? Is it an attribute of the damage you're dealing, or is it ex... : DinK
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      Elementals are extra, at least for fire. Shoot a guy once and set him on fire, and he takes fire damage ... : riptyde
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        I think he's talking about the 'x2' on the element itself (on the right side of the info panel). I've go... : Clasifyd
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          oh, I thought he was talking about how the damage field would flip between "17" and "x9" for things like ... : riptyde
          • No, I specifically mentioned x1 through x4 because that's what I've seen on the elemental things. Plus o... : DinK
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      Elemental Effects All weapons can have an elemental effect. These elements are fire, corrosive, shock,... : ShadowRam
      • <3 : Clasifyd
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        speaking of corrosive, if anyone has not done so, i highly encourage shooting any barrels that are near e... : riptyde
        • the color of the barrrel is the type of effect: Red = Incindiary Blue = Shock Green = Corrosive Yello... : multisync
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    I found a rifle that has a very small magazine, but reloads REALLY REALL fast. Where's the reload time i... : ShadowRam
    • Found this... Effects Found in the stats box, there is sometimes a half sentence that is cryptic. T... : ShadowRam
• this game rules so much. i had a blast last night with some IRL friends and then mwasher and lightzout jo... : cpt_gloval
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  when is the PC version coming? : gyokuro
  • Monday. : slax0r
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  i can't get enough of this shit!! I haven't eaten or showered and it's 2pm! FUCK! : g0nk
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    I'm going to save this for Mass Effect 2. lol. : Downforce
    • shit.. ME2 will see me not showering or eating (except for Cheetos) for a whole weekend! : g0nk
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    what level are you now princess : multisync
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      Lvl 12. I missed a bunch of mission because I'm dumb. I'm going back through them : g0nk
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        did you accept my friend invite? : mwasher
        • Yup! : g0nk
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  Jesus fuck, a week still to go until this unlocks on Steam and it is KILLING ME. I love 4 player co-op an : node
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    A week? By all accounts the game will be available on the 26th or 27th. : wytefang
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      abroad doesnt get it until ~30th. : rmjackson
      • Oh sorry guys. That stinks. :( : wytefang
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  How does the coop progression work? If I have my character and jump into my friend's game do the quests ... : c_man_tmt
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    The quests that are completed are supposed to count for everyone in the game, regardless of single/coop s... : Clasifyd
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      This is how it works. You complete a quest in multiplayer while your friend is hosting, when you go back ... : silent prophet
      • so everything is persisted to the character you use? That is pretty cool. I'll be picking this game up ... : c_man_tmt
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        how does it work if i join a game where they are doing missions further along a chain that i've completed... : cpt_gloval
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          It'll warn you when you join the game and the quest tracker will say ineligible. : hoov1185
          • I don't know where that magic line is though. : hoov1185
        • It won't let you progress "story-line" quests (things like nine-toes), but you will share all quests with... : rak
  • The person who is "least farthest" along the main quest line needs to host. If not, he will get a "unabl... : jake
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  I agree. I have some crazy ass weapons. It just seems to get to a point where everything opens up and it'... : f1kt1t1ous
  • I hated its wave pattern. It's like I had to completely re-learn how to shoot. : Clasifyd
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    I shot that gun 3 or 4 times and then sold it. heh : mwasher
    • i got frustrated with it waving over the targets' heads. : cpt_gloval
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  I don't know what to do! I have no interest in this game, but so much hype is making me very curious. Jus... : .sticks.
  • rent it! : cpt_gloval
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  Who wants to get some 4 player co-op action going tonight on 360? Will start a new character if people ar... : pancake humper
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    21 hunter or will start a new character as well! : mwasher
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      is the Hunter pretty fun? I was thinking of trying him out first. : c_man_tmt
      • yea. pretty much snipers + revolvers so it's all about burst damage and accuracy. I got a pretty fast f... : mwasher
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      add me, ole gravy legs : pancake humper
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        i've added you a couple of times but you keep deleting me or something :( : mwasher
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          you may still be on my list but I don't think so. I cleaned my whole list awhile ago, I am slowly adding ... : pancake humper
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            you're already on my list : pancake humper
            • yay <3 : mwasher
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  So it's better than Hellgate then? It seems a lot like hellgate to me. : Wheatloaf
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    It's not fair to Borderlands to even compare the two. Borderlands is a lot of fun, Hellgate sucked ass fr... : Head Rush
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      I am fully expecting to burn myself out on 40-50 hours of Borderlands in the next couple of weeks and th... : mwasher
      • Freaking signed. Its my game plan to burn the fuse as hot as possible until there is just a shell left. : Lightzout
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  Posts like these just proves what Blizzard knew all along - Deep down, everyone just wants to play WOW. : TPSReport
  • People are loot whores. Blizzard knew this back with Diablo. They've just been evolving the formula. :) : slax0r
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  Finished it on 360, at level 37. Whew. : GeorgeB3DR
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    Thoughts? : MuteMode
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      It's awesome and easily worth the price. I played solo mostly and had a blast. Game is huge. Will clock... : GeorgeB3DR
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        Did you find yourself constantly upgrading weapons every 2 mins or were there weapons that were substanti... : stump
        • More like every 10 minutes or so you might find an upgrade to one of your weapons or items that's worth ... : mwasher
      • Man I am 15 hours in, almost level 22, and *just* opened up the "2nd" area that has the town in the begin... : mwasher
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  You had me until you said you like the fact that there is no trade system. Now I think you are a liar o... : ease one
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    It better be in a patch! : TheIneffableBob
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      Are you guys serious? Are you to lazy to drop the weapons you want to give to them? Just be smart and don... : f1kt1t1ous
      • You can do one of those hostage exchanges. You each drop the respective items you're trading, then sprin... : JediDwag
• Anyone have any input on what it's like when there's a drastic level difference between players? Is it c... : ImageOmega
• I hear you. My girlfriend informed me that I played the game for 9 hours on Thursday. Luckily I had Frida... : getlefty
• Anyone want to go in for a Steam 4-pack of Borderlands for the discount? SM me if you're interested or to... : Argonaut

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  Hackintosh for about $1000 less then an IMAC. : JohnnyRey
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    thought that was an option but the streamlined appearance definitely helps, small appt and I'm inclined t... : thebigbinky
    • Yeah they do look nice. : JohnnyRey
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      Definitely a good reason to drop an extra grand. : CyCo_PL
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        Why are you screwing up basic arithmetic? : vigilante
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          1000 is a grand, correct? : CyCo_PL
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            Tell me how you could build a PC with a S-IPS 24" monitor for $699. You can't. : TrptJim
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              You should tell this to the guy who said hackintosh was 1000 less than a mac, or at least someone who car... : CyCo_PL
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                Definitely a good reason to continue this subthread. What the fuck was your point? : walker270
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                  My point was that it's dumb to pay that much extra for external visual aesthetics. I don't know how much... : CyCo_PL
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                    Making a correct inference from a wrong assumption is still wrong. : Nali4Freedom
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                      Or in cyco's case, wrong period. An IPS panel with those specs is a great deal by any measure. Compare an... : Serpico74
                      • ya, it's a pretty amazing deal. you're nearly getting the computer part free for the price of a 27" pane... : Enraged Pineapple
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      Plus an awesome awesome display : Serpico74
      • Plus it's own legal copy of the OS. : pres589
  • Can we start insulting people who repeatedly post this? It's really getting obnoxious. : walker270
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  I'd definitely hold off, quad cores are awesome. : Dave-A
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    I mean what is the applicable benefit to a person that is not cutting edge on games, I mean I play wow bu... : thebigbinky
    • afaik once grand central dispatch starts seeing widespread implementation you should see the benefit of m... : gokart.
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      Everything you do will be faster with the i5 or i7 model. : Link.
      • Yeah the biggest difference is the cache I think, that will make a bigger performance difference than eve... : ovrlrd
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      Snappier response if you run a lot of apps at once. I'd say if money isn't a concern go for the big proc,... : Dave-A
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        Did Apple ever get around to fixing that weird rotating lock thing they have with their kernel? : LoioshDwaggie
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          Damned if I know, I just assume people buy Macs on run Windows 7 on 'em :D : Dave-A
          • That's what one of my friends did :) : LoioshDwaggie
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      the fact that a majority of OSX apps out of the box support GrandCentral and thus are going to be heavily... : Yanks
      • how often do you think the i7 hyperthreading will make a difference vs the i5? : Enraged Pineapple
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  Since iMacs are basically laptops in monitors, I'd get something you're going to be happy with in the lon... : crimrOw
  • I mean as I said I am a WOW head generally but I would like to be able to play the nex-gen games : thebigbinky
  • The 27" iMacs use desktop CPUs, FWIW. Larger enclosure means they can finally dissipate all that heat, wh... : Serpico74
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  The 27" iMacs are sexy as hell. And way cheaper than I would have guessed. What is it, a hundred dollars ... : Ellissd
  • $100 less than the 30", IIRC. : genom
• Keep saving and get the fastest one, or a mac pro. : not work safe
• Wait for the Quad core, it's not like you can crack it open and upgrade the CPU later = ( : pixelat3d
• Why are you in a rush? Just wait a couple of weeks and get something better for the same price. : aggressor
• wait for the i5/i7 versions definitely : pancake humper
• Just wait a few weeks and spend the extra $300. You'll be keeping it a while and you'll get better resale... : Serpico74

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• That's pretty cool actually. : zebosausamite
• Thats a great idea : nodebug
• That's really neat! I'll definitely use this when I build my new PC ... soon. : ThomW
• Hmm. Neat. : Salad Sammich
• Holy butt that's got a lot of stuff I use! Thxthx : SpaecKow
• holy crap that's awesome! : zerog83
• whoa, ingenious : Flinz
• Using this right now. Thank you so much this is pretty damn awesome. : Lionhart32935
• bookmarking for next time I format. : atom519
• Of course, right after I installed all of the stuff I want after the Windows 7 install.... : magistersmax
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  no Gom? :( : eeeealmo
  • Suggest it. : magistersmax
• this is awesome : flagg209
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  awesome! i just suggested digsby. hopefully we can get it where it bypasses all that extra crap it wants ... : onji
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    That's the question - does it allow all the apps to rape your desktop and quicklaunch? : davantalus
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      We install apps with default settings and say "no" to browser toolbars and other junk. At least that ... : pimpium
      • I reformatted yesterday and just used this to install a ton of programs. No extra software or shitty 't... : Lionhart32935
• Awesome. I'll definitely be putting together a package for desktop deployment at work. : Ride-My-Rocket
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  This is good to know when I install 7 this weekend. : Chod
  • that's exactly what I thought : tashtego
  • same here : Old_Fart
• this rules. i use a ton of that stuff : feek
• That actually has everything I consider standard for a reinstall. Awesome. : malevolence
• This is pretty cool. : rmjackson
• That's pretty slick will have to try it out when I upgrade my Netbook to Win7 Retail : Shadowdane
• Thanks a lot, I just got a new computer to test it on! : guigr
• Would have been handy around the time I installed Win7 lol : breadsticks
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  That's awesome. What are they missing? : fishbone
  • VirtualBox comes to mind. : Tissen
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  are these the 64 bit apps versions? : handofthrawn
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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS : r3dn3ck
    • Anyone know this? Can't find an answer on the site other than "It is completely free for personal use, t... : ezanga
• Timely. Thanks. : My Documents
• This is brilliant. Love it! : aaarrrgh
• this is fantastic. really great idea for when doing clean OS installs. : Korban
• i wonder if it installs the 64bit versions where available? like itunes? : xxiv
• I send a suggestion allowing us to choose destination path, otherwise a really cool idea. I wonder if it... : abrasion
• pretty cool, i do prefer www.filehippo.com for dling freeware, but this seems pretty rad : Jinxplayer
• why was this invented in 2009? what the fuck, universe? : kaddar0
• I'm going to suggest a more recent version of Nginx : harold.johnson
• Thanks for this, save so much time. : cjcharv
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  502 Bad Gateway :( : c0bra
  • oh wait it's working now : c0bra
• +inf : dignan
• This will be very helpful for when my Windows 7 disc comes. Thanks. : amrbean
• Wow nice stuff. : MrLobo
• 100% Inf here. : LoioshDwaggie
• needs more FlashFXP : Degenerate
• dopeeeeeee : podizzle
• Will be doing this when I install Windows 7. Awesome. : MuteMode
• i'd like to hear a report from someone who has used this. : ass-street
• Install Things : Cihte
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  Does this change the default programs? For example, when iTunes installs it will make itself the program... : amrbean
  • I would think it's going to leave everything as default. : redfive
• just used this last night on my fresh install of Windows 7 : lonepie
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  Waiting for ninite.com... : vx2o
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    yup, its down...what is it anyway? : niceguynick
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      http://lifehacker.com/5388408/ninite-bulk+installs-great-free-windows-apps : vx2o
      • Cool. : CrustaR
      • thanks, seems very handy :) : niceguynick
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  so does this go through each apps install process automatically too? Does that mean that I could end up u... : SolveChrist
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    yes. no. : electroly
    • ^^ : c0bra
  • Pretty much why I feel more cofortable installing shit myself, one at a time : Mr. Goodwrench
  • "We install apps with default settings and say "no" to browser toolbars and other junk. " : shyguy74
• It's Shackdotted :[ What is it? : Fred Garvin
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  Doesnt work for me. Getting hammered? : bolneze
  • Oh there it is - interesting. : bolneze
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  So, what is this exactly??????? : CrustaR
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    CrustaR, the need for multiple punctuation is unnecessary. Please read four posts up and the resulting r... : redfive
    • red5, I read the post up top after typing this one. :[ : CrustaR
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  this looks great. I suggested avira antivirus and super antispyware : ]pm[chem
  • avira ftw but I couldn't get it to install at work on windows 7... It said install complete, but there's ... : davidc02
• Really cool. Thanks! : dpgagnon
• Very cool. : Q-ball
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  btw, linux people may look at this and see a weaker version of 'yum install' :) : ]pm[chem
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    yum? pfft. apt-get 4 LIFE! Compile from source when I rise from the dead. : crimrOw
    • apt is just get a cheap replacement for ports : Clay
• aww they didn't add GOM player like I suggested :( And why is it called ninite now ? : gakera
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  Can you choose which directory it installs all of the apps to? I don't like installing stuff in Program F... : OverloadUT
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    http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=21222537#itemanchor_21222537 : biskits
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      Bummer. It would be useful for my work machine then, but on my home machine I like to keep things more or... : OverloadUT
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        you're asking for disaster by doing that : redfive
        • ? : losimagic
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          By doing what? : OverloadUT
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            Installing all of my programs to a non-default location? I've been doing that for probably 10 years now a... : OverloadUT
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              I just remember the whole Sierra fiasco numerous years ago where it went wrong and deleted everything in ... : redfive
              • That got me about a year or two ago after installing an old game and forgetting about it, it sucked. :( : acidnynex
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              why? it's unnecessary extra work you have to do for EVERY single application you install. Using windows i... : wtf242
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                It's a very very very small amount of work to do every time I install something. It keeps my computer mor... : OverloadUT
                • I am by no means saying that other people should do this. As I said it works for me because I have refine... : OverloadUT
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                  but when you reformat you have to reinstall all your applications anyways. all my applications go on my C... : wtf242
                  • Yes, but then I still have the application directory which gives me the data from that applications (admi... : OverloadUT
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                  But why? No matter how little work it is, why would you do it? I can't tell you the last time I needed ... : asylumn
                  • I have explained it in my other replies above. You may not need to browse to install folders ever, but I ... : OverloadUT
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              I still install my games to a certain directory, but doing it for every little application makes no sense... : DinK
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                I allows me to find what I need quicker. It's as simple as that. It's not for everybody. : OverloadUT
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                  I'm curious, what are you finding more quickly? What you say makes a lot of sense for data files, but I ... : DinK
                  • Despite installing every program outside of Program Files, there are still dozens and dozens of folders i... : OverloadUT
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        With my latest build I completely and totally gave up on keeping customized directories and the like. It'... : xsoulbrothax
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          Vista and 7 enforce no write permissions to Program Files for user data. If you install Steam into Progra... : LoioshDwaggie
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            what? No no no. You don't understand how that works. You are right with the no write permissions but t... : redfive
            • Steam, among others, does not do this correctly (it is especially bad with older games on Steam). Nearly ... : LoioshDwaggie
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          Yeah, the program files directories are locked down by permissions. You need to elevate a program if it w... : OverloadUT
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            so any program with cfg files have to have special permissions set? isn't that going to screw with peopl... : dignan
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              no you can do that fine because the file already exists. : redfive
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                Yeah I believe it has modify permissions on its own folder but not write permissions. : OverloadUT
                • Also apps should not have config files in their own directories anyway! : OverloadUT
• this is great, thanks! : grendel
• Awesome. I installed Windows 7 yesterday but it was really late by the time I finished and I didn't get a... : marmite
• Warning: I tried it earlier today - if you like to install certain programs in specific places, this won... : losimagic
• Wish I knew about this last night when I had to reinstall Windows 7. Badass program though. : freakynipples69
• Vey nice! Thanks. : node
• Tag for pending Windows 7 install this weekend! I wonder if they differentiate between 32bit and 64bit v... : Edges
• wow bad ass : psxtim
• hate to use the word but wow. this is brilliant. : [fry]
• That's really neat. : acidnynex
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  Does everyone just install apps to Program Files? I've always had separate partitions for apps, games, an : prime8
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    thats retarded, why would you do that : opengl128
    • in case programs decide to get uppity and burn all the porn : J4NUS
  • you know, what's what folders are for : cpt_gloval
  • I was wondering the same thing, but i think that you should be able to choose where to install. : sreyes22
  • sounds like a giant unnecessary pain in the ass : feek
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    there's absolutely no benefit for doing that other than making you waste time whenever you install a new ... : wtf242
    • i bet your OS drive is Raid-0 too : wtf242
    • Don't be dense. It's just stupid to say there is "absolutely no benefit." What you should say is "the sma... : OverloadUT
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    I usually install my apps to X:\___________________**PROGRAM FILEZ**___ : Bamtan
    • ahahahaha : zerog83
    • E:\APPZ\ E:\GAMEZ\ E:\WAREZ\ : EvilDolemite
  • whoa time warp right here : moe6
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    I use D:\Program Files\ for all applications, but I use D:\Games\ for... well, games. : zerog83
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      not a partition though; separate physical drive : zerog83
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        I understand for games, but why apps? You don't really migrate them between formats, and 99% of apps don... : pixelat3d
        • just the way I've always done it ever since I've had more than one physical drive in my system. also, my ... : zerog83
        • i typically do it like: apps/system, swap, data so apps/system default to c: no headache there. if pos... : cpt_gloval
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    i haven't done that since Windows 95. : biskits
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      I bet you sort your email into 30 folders and access it with POP. : biskits
      • why you gotta make fun of my company? :( : zerog83
  • D:\SIERRA; D:\EVERYTHING ELSE IN HERE\ : deviantpaul
  • Non-portable apps go in program files/program files (x86). I have another directory for portable stuff. G... : GreatGooglyMoogly
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  Pretty sweet. I also suggested KeePass, TaskBarShuffle, Audacity, QTLite, TreeSize Free. How quickly ... : Agrona
  • They need MediaCoder in there : dognose
• my god... it's full of apps! : miasma&!
• I just used this and it's fucking awesome. Installed 11 apps on a clean install on Windows 7 and they all : marmite

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• 0wned!!! : CrustaR
• That SS actually makes me want to play again. Nothing more satisfying than flooding a player with a ho... : InfoBiter
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  i have accepted ill never be able to compete in RTS games online : oHnOES
  • same here. i stick to comp stomps or skirmish. =P : yacoub35
  • Yup. And I love RTS's, I just don't like the online play style. : thetangent
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    Yup. I just skirmish the computer. I'll play with someone on my side though, but not against anyone alive... : K1Bond007
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      Thats so boring, how can you do that? You're missing out on half the fun (well 90% of the fun imho) : Toth21
      • I agree, though skirmishing the computer is a good way to get some basic experience before going up again... : ninjase
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        I don't find it boring. What I do find boring is that the majority of the time in multiplayer against oth... : thetangent
        • This is a terrible cliche that doesn't apply to the majority of popular multiplay RTSes. : miasma&!
        • Ahh BS, CoH is not like that. Sure there have been overpowered strats at multiple points due to Relic's s... : Toth21
      • I've never had a problem playing RTS games against the AI in the past. Never found it boring. I'm not... : K1Bond007
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    play with me sometime then! i'm not terrible, that was only my 2nd or 3rd online game ever, and I hadn't ... : PlanetPerfecto
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      Yah we had a pretty good crew playing when it launched, and then again when the xpac hit. With the no : InfoBiter
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        thank you sir. i will look up the group. it's really a beautiful game. most of the time, apart from peopl... : PlanetPerfecto
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          It's been a long time since I played, but most games I saw were decided early (as in every other RTS) bas... : InfoBiter
          • this is true, but i've actually held off and recaptured ground from people before. the game does give you... : PlanetPerfecto
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    RTS games take a lot of research to be good at. Few people tend to have the stomach for it, though.. : walker270
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      This is true. Shack has a strange mental block towards RTS. Instead of chalking it up as a matter of inco... : miasma&!
      • The Shack has a mental block towards being good at games. For the most part shackers view as way to "t... : InfoBiter
      • exactly. People act like you're born with the ability to play RTS games or something. It's retarded. : aeg1x
    • It's the difference between playing it for fun and having to be competitive. Being competitive means you ... : yacoub35
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    Same here. I want to actually build up my army and fight it out, not see who can get an SCV rush going 9... : riptyde
    • yep, the build order bullshit. people just cant kick back and play : oHnOES
    • I played the shit out of Starcraft online. Me and a couple other people I knew. We'd always build up hu... : valael
  • You have to either play them right when they come out and everybody is still learning or wth a friend tha... : ninjase
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    The feedback loop in RTSs is too long. Learning seems to take place over multiple games rather than as yo... : dooberzoo
    • that's war for you. unfortunately most people IRL don't get a do-over after being shot at by twelve separ... : PlanetPerfecto
  • It takes tons of practice and patience. But you're right, a lot of people just aren't built for it. Same ... : Godhatesfatpeople
• Lol, I've never been good at playing an RTS competitively. I like comp stomps. : hoov1185
• What's going on there - did he sneak a bunch of cloaked AT guns in your base? : blender81
• wtf, you lost to a PAK rush. did they sneak up 'cloaked' lol : nrgXs
• I hadn't even touched an RTS since I got burned out on WC2 and C&C-RA1 back in the 90's. Ever since, eac... : Feisty Cadaver
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  NO PAK RUSH!!! KEKEKEKE! ^___________^ : ChibiJosh
  • ZUG ZUG : MercFox1
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  I've never played Company of Heroes, nor have I played an RTS online. Someone interpret this for me pleas... : Home Nugget
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    i think he just got rushed with a bunch of anti tank guns : peat
    • Oh, so the smoldering vehicles aren't just scenery, correct? If so, that's pretty funny! : Home Nugget
  • well in the picture you've got zee Germans, and they're rushing all over an Allied base, pictured by the ... : yacoub35
• Oh my fucking god that looks awesome : tomservo

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• it might still be good, it just won't be what we want : retarded talking dinosaur
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  I'm fine with this personally, but knowing that a there's a lot of people who play 24+ person servers it ... : PointlesS76
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    I know with CoD4 it was one game where the number of players per side drastically changed how you play th... : mrwolf710
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      One of my favorite servers is 32 v 32. I'd guess that most people here would think that's crazy, but it's... : Dynotaku
      • Yeah, those are the best. I guess I can keep playing CoD4, but I was really looking forward to all new... : Vincent Grayson
  • If the maps are designed for 8v8 then they'll be good. Putting too many people on a map just gets retarde... : Fred Garvin
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    must not be a tribes player : c0bra
    • I was a huge Tribes player. The maps were designed for large amounts of players for the most part. In COD... : PointlesS76
• Fuck, that is way harsh. :( I guess it's possible, but you won't be getting those double or triple kil... : Rice-Rocketeer
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  This for PC and console? : pun][sher
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    Yes :( : LoioshDwaggie
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      What was the console limitation before? Wasn't it 16? : pun][sher
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        It's still 16. 8v8 : LoioshDwaggie
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          Ah, i'm 100% ok with that as long as the maps are designed for 8v8 (Which I'm sure they are..) : pun][sher
          • They'll probably be really good. I-Ward has always had great map makers. : LoioshDwaggie
      • and actually the ground war playlist is 9v9 : maulla
  • WTF PC TOO :(!~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Iwannaacura
• I've got torchlight, borderlands and soon to be l4d2... Why bother until they get their shit together. I ... : imcompa
• Yep, not gonna get this. : CyCo_PL
• Wow really? Yeah, first big change that I actually think sucks. I'm waiting. : skinlab133
• With no discount for pre-orders, (probably) no pre-load (and servers getting hammered by the time the gam : Nitrium
• I'm agreeing with Dynotaku here. Also with imcompa. I've got tons of amazing games to play. I'll wai... : mrwolf710
• This seals the deal for me. I'll be picking it up later for sp onc it starts going on sale. : .frame
• 16-player limit for PC multiplayer in MW2? Are you kidding me?! 32-player servers were awesome for th : yacoub35
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  8v8 is perfect in cod4 : maulla
  • Actually the larger maps were awesome with 24-32 players. Much more of a military feel instead of a speci... : yacoub35
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    I 100% agree for CoD. Battlefield games I understand, but CoD was always more fun with less people imo. : pun][sher
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      less 13 year olds calling you a fag right? : gyokuro
      • Being called a fag by 13 year olds is why I pay for XBL. : pun][sher
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      okay so play in 8v8 games, it's just stupid to not allow more then that : peat
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        Even if the game is designed for 8v8? I disagree. : pun][sher
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          you and maulla make me want to hit my head against the wall. : peat
          • and why do you guys keep spouting off about what the game is designed for? it's designed for the end user... : peat
• So they've purposely removed every function from the PC multiplayer that made it better than the console ... : yacoub35
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  Don't hold your breath - CoD4 is still full price so I wouldn't expect a drop on 6 anytime soon. : DasCracky
  • I'm sure it will drop once MW2 hits : pun][sher
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    I suspect that CoD6 won't sell nearly as well as CoD4 did on the PC. It might initially, but I'd bet mone... : Dynotaku
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      on PC, sure. on console it will probably sell even more, especially now that the PS3 has a large instal... : EvilDolemite
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        Exactly, consoles are now the money maker. : pun][sher
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          With all the shit they've done to the PC version, I honestly don't understand why they bothered with it. : Dynotaku
          • I wouldn't say they raped it THAT bad. There will still be a pc community. : pun][sher
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  8v8 lol are you serious? I like 32v32 in BF2 and thats an old game : gyokuro
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    call of duty is not a battlefield style game. : maulla
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      shouldn't the number of players be upto the players themselves to decide? : peat
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        easy now, don't break his brain with that revelation. : yacoub35
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          You don't understand the obvious appeal of the simplified console experience. : LoioshDwaggie
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            Oh I do - on a console. Stop taking away things to try to make my PC gaming experience into the console o... : yacoub35
            • Whoosh : LoioshDwaggie
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            so because you're a PC gamer you're entitled to have more players? Have you taken your fanboy hat off ... : maulla
            • whut. no. it's simple: stop TAKING THINGS AWAY THAT WERE THERE PREVIOUSLY. stop forcing me into fewer an... : yacoub35
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              that terrible argument that people are playing to have fun jesus christ : peat
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                sure, 16v16 on shipment is fun to fuck around in once a week. its not what the game is about, and higher ... : maulla
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                  I never played cod4 MP but couldn't people make custom maps for these gay 32+ player orgys? : ghost in my shell
                  • I remember having fun on quite a few 16v16 maps :) Was great for being a sniper. (There was one that had ... : LoioshDwaggie
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                  shipment is like a 2v2 map for one, the game should be about enjoyment from the customer and finally enj... : peat
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                    I would enjoy Madden more if I could have 16 defenders on the field, but the game isnt designed that way. : maulla
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                      it's funny you make this argument when you are blasting the guy below for comparing it to tribes : peat
                      • except my post wasnt serious. I wouldnt want 16 defenders on the field because its not how football was d... : maulla
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              and stop trying to force YOUR idea of "fun" onto everyone else. variety and options allows everyone to c... : yacoub35
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                Look when we are all required to use the 360 controller for MW2 PC, he might finally see the light. : ghost in my shell
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                  none of the changes they have made are remotely close to the type of change that would be. : maulla
                  • Well they have changed the PC MP framework to be more consolized, so why not just say fuck it and go all ... : ghost in my shell
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                I'm starting to think that people who never played Tribes have no idea why we care about player counts. : LoioshDwaggie
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                  because tribes and cod are in the same category of MP game... Was 32v32 tribes2 awesome? fuck yes it w... : maulla
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                    in YOUR opinion. plenty of people enjoyed 17-32 player CoD4 games. why should we be forced to YOUR prefer... : yacoub35
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                      Ive said several times that the reason they have limited the play count is because they are designing the... : maulla
                      • And I justify the devs decision based on putting countless hours into the game and noticing what types of... : maulla
                      • and it's been said yes they can design it that way but why stop people from having more players? i guess ... : peat
                      • I'm stuck on the part where they are deciding this FOR everyone, especially when 17-32 players worked jus... : yacoub35
            • How much less could you care? : thetangent
            • this post reeks of entitlement : Modulus
      • Not really. If the dev believes a certain number of players makes their game more balanced/fun then go fo... : pun][sher
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        not when the devs design their game to be played with a lower player count. : maulla
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          they can design the game the way they want, but I would prefer to play the game the way I like which isn'... : peat
          • Talking to these people is self-flagellation, peat. Some people just don't understand what they do not ha... : LoioshDwaggie
      • developers developers developers developers developers : yacoub35
    • because through rigorous testing they found that 9v9 wasn't as fun as 8v8....it wasn't any technical issu... : gyokuro
• Gah, I was stil going to buy this for PC even without the dedicated servers, but 16 players? That just fu... : Gojirah
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  i am very happy with this, only because it outrages people. at this point i love seeing the pure seethin... : EvilDolemite
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    Don't you have any games that you're passionate about? : Dynotaku
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      ED is too old to give a fuck about games. : mwasher
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        i love games and play and buy lots! i just don't care about every single minutiae in them : EvilDolemite
        • I've put in over 3 weeks of time into CoD4 MP. I wouldn't call what they've done with CoD6s MP minutia. : Dynotaku
        • You refer to significant changes and feature removals as minutiae? What exactly would be significant for ... : Robotic Puppy Eater
        • basically this is where i'm at too : FrayLo
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      at this point in my life i don't have the energy to become outraged over what i see as minor things. if ... : EvilDolemite
      • I feel the same way. : chuck577
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    Next IW will fist the Pope while mocking Muhammad and pissing on orphans holding kittens. : Wyvern
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      Next up max resolution of 1200x720. "Now all MW2 players can have a competivive advantage at a solid 30FP... : ghost in my shell
      • Sooo true. We are only 1 or 2 steps from requiring a 360 controller to play. : Sgt_Boomstick
  • yeah, at this point I'm just kind of amused but the fallout, this and L4D2 debacles are just amazing. I w... : derelict515
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  My favourite games were 12 on 12 Shipyard TDM! : deKaf
  • ugh that mode is pure shit. there is no need for skill or tactics at all, it's just spawn, toss nades, t... : deject
• Ah 32 player (or was it 64 player) q3dm17 maps... : ghost in my shell
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  Remember a time when the trend was more and more players? Joint Operations had like 256 or something craz... : hoov1185
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    because before 64 people were possible everyone was all 'omg imagine 100 people it'd be like a real war w... : derelict515
    • Oh BF2 :( And Tribes. : LoioshDwaggie
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      Thats BS, people just haven't focused on using such an advantage in rational manner. Planetside (before i... : Toth21
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        what? it's BS that it's harder to balance fun for both more people and fewer than just picking a normal p... : derelict515
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          That's not too much an issue in a game like Call of Duty. Maybe you might want to create small maps and ... : briktal
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            It's absolutely a factor. How many players are in the game effects things like weapon placement, loadouts... : derelict515
            • Thats why the Dev's are supposed to program in solutions for that. Using you're grenade example from abov... : Toth21
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    it's expensive to host servers that can support that many players. coupled with the fact that dedicated s... : peat
    • not that I like it in the least don't get me wrong : peat
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    because that trend doesnt apply to all games? : maulla
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      I understand that, but besides MAG what other recent FPS has attempted to do large player counts like tha... : hoov1185
      • I think BF still holds pretty tightly to that genre of MP game. There was another game that was released ... : maulla
  • Fucking hell Joint Operations was fun as shit. I remember stuffing an APC full of dudes into the large h... : Wheatloaf
  • Because that's no fun if you have just a few friends you want to play with, which is how most people play... : OverloadUT
• Its not a big deal to me, because even though I had a lot of fun in COD4 MP (on the 360), I'm not despera... : Toth21
• lol : InfoBiter
• I don't necessarily see this as a good thing, but pub servers in most games have far higher player counts... : omnova
• Regardless of this change, I'm not sure I've ever played an mp shooter recently that I enjoyed in 6-8 pla... : derelict515
• lol, fuckin n00b. : -=kodiak=-
• Eh - I pre-ordered last night after seeing Amazon do the $20 deal for it... : dedgecko
• For fucks sake, my hype for this game is getting crushed more and more as it gets closer to release. I wo... : Sgt_Boomstick
• where did you see this? : lonepie
• I don't like that they are restricting the numbers, but on the other hand I generally try to play on seve... : the_burd
• Fuck that game. : hirosushima
• Yeah, not gonna bother until this hits $20 or less for the single player campaign. I can wait with how ma... : Link.
• thank god for IWNET to limit this type of spammy gameplay its like people who play bgh starcraft and w... : nova_x
• Just vote with your wallet. Besides, BF: Bad Company 2 is just around the corner! Not to mention there ... : Edges
• This is the worst "feature" yet. : Albemuth
• I really disliked playing 24+ on maps that were designed for 12 or 18 at most. : HisKillSkill

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  The taskbar is great. Give it some time. : jabuck
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    No.. I gave it plenty of time. I'm now back with the oldschool bar and it's so much better. All the advan... : Tchest
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      This is my biggest concern... I usually have a billion windows open and have always hated Windows XP's op... : Daochi
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        you can turn it off in Win7 just like you could in Vista. Options for everyone. I'd give it a chance thou... : derelict515
        • It still groups all tasks by appid even if they aren't collapsed into one icon. I'd rather all tasks open... : Shai-Tan
    • i got 25 icons in my quicklanch! : imperator
• Look at how very wrong you are. : IndigoAK
• I really love the new taskbar and jumplists, it makes a lot more sense to me. : slickdoody
• There are some you probably don't have the hardware for just yet, but as far as Vista vs. Win7 it's like ... : one random winner
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  I like that dragging a window to the top maximises it. I'm also liking the libraries feature. : marmite
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    And drag to the sides to dock to the half the window. : Carnivac
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      Er half the screen that is. : Carnivac
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        and if you drag the bottom of a window to the task bar, it vertically maximizes. : Korban
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          holy crap! I like that one. : zerog83
          • You can also double click the verticle scale handles, or drag to the top of the screen for the same effec... : Judicus
  • I like how shaking the selected program box minimizes all other programs to the taskbar. : eldiablo01
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    How do you guys use libraries (like what are they good for)? I don't use them and feel like I might be mi... : aethyr
    • just drag your music, documents, videos and pictures into the libraries. You can organize them however yo... : zerog83
    • My file server (server 2008) indexes my music drive. I add that indexed location to the libraries which ... : Judicus
    • Not -as- useful if you are only using a single machine. But library + sharing + media extenders = win. : cetra00
  • The dragging to the sides thing I can get the point of. Dragging to maximize no way. If you already have ... : GreatGooglyMoogly
  • Windows key + UP ftw : DOOManiac
• It's not a "huge feature" release. The idea is that they took Vista and added some small useful features ... : jipey
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  I think the taskbar is one of the best features! I love how it's more organised, and it's easy to find, a... : Dave-A
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    Ok I don't understand this at all. One, if you have programs pinned to the bar, you never actually know w... : CapnChaos
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      except the ones that are open have big boxes around them SHOWING that they are open. How is it easie... : brainchild420
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        Huh? Mine look exactly the same. : CapnChaos
        • And that doesn't address my second point either. : CapnChaos
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          Open one and it should be 'glowing' over the other ones. : redfive
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            This applies to pinned applications too? I'll have to look more closely when I get home I guess. : CapnChaos
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              See, here I have everything EXCEPT iTunes and WMP open: http://www.shackpics.com/files/tb_brlm2587t6833zs... : Dave-A
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                And in this case, if I wasn't grouping, I'd have 29 items in the taskbar. Grouping reduces it to 14. It's... : Dave-A
                • Huh. I think my problem is that I chose one of those default themes that does a slideshow background. The... : CapnChaos
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      You know a pinned program is running because there is a border around the item and slight glow to it. Hav... : Dave-A
      • IE did this and I always hated it. But then I don't usually have 2 million windows open usually. I guess ... : CapnChaos
      • Ahhh cool, I wish this stuff was explained to you. Unless it was and I just ignored it. : Big Luke
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    I love how downloads in IE show the progress in the taskbar. Very swish. : Beady
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      CD Burner XP supports this feature as well (burning progress bar). : malevolence
      • Also, many installers. : BlackCat9
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      Winamp Users: http://code.google.com/p/win7shell/ install that plugin ; ) : pixelat3d
      • Thanks. : steauengeglase
      • I gotta try this at home, thanks for the tip. : Geoffrois
      • nice! I am looking forward to more apps supporting the Jump Lists stuff, it seems like it would be usefu... : deject
      • HOLY SHIT, thanks. :D +inf : DOOManiac
    • I think the progress bar is a standard window/control type and the task bar sniffs parent windows for it.... : jake
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    You gotta use it as a s sidebar to get the full extent of it's awesomeness : ColoradoCNC
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  The main features are that it doesn't perform like a crippled goat, doesn't crash 1/100th of the time Vis... : Salad Sammich
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    so basically Vista after SP1 amirite? : redfive
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      directx 11, hello???? : Sapiens
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        nothing will support that until at least a year or two : redfive
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          Like Dirt, coming out in November, right? DX 11 : LoioshDwaggie
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            it'll be delayed at the last minute to include instructions on how not to leave your girlfriend downstair... : redfive
            • that was harsh, but funny. : Makenxero
        • it was just an excuse to use excessive punctuation, really : Sapiens
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        I thought DX 11 was going to be on Vista too... did they change that? : one random winner
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          Nope, still coming out for Vista as well. : LoioshDwaggie
          • orly? hmm. : Downforce
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      I think Vista was a mental block for me. After it first got released and I saw how shitty it was and how... : Salad Sammich
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        Vista ran great on properly built machines even before SP1. There was the driver issue but that's not re... : redfive
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          The whole driver thing ... I don't remember what the circumstances were, but was the reason behind the be... : Salad Sammich
          • I never heard about that. I know they didn't release any review copies to the tech guys beforehand so th... : redfive
          • They released the driver API a full year and a half before release. IHVs were offered two full week-long ... : LoioshDwaggie
          • No, Nvidia (and many other vendors) just made fucking terrible drivers until a little bit before SP1 came... : h0cake
        • Agreed. I thought Vista was fine from the day I got it. I don't think it's ever crashed on me, and it's... : zipr
      • It works fine as long as you have newer hardware and install the service packs. I installed it on my ... : phate81
      • SP1 didnt make many changes. Vista was always just fine. Third party driver support got much better over ... : retarded talking dinosaur
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    Vista has crashed maybe twice on me in 2 years. It's been stable and fast and so much better than XP for ... : marmite
    • I had like 2 crashes in Vista in just over a year, which is a shit load better than XP ever did, but Vist... : Big Luke
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  Here is an article on how to get quicklaunch back. This might make it easier to get used to the new taskb... : EricZBA
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    That's cool. I'll probably use that over pinned apps. Apparently I'm going blind and can't see whatever g... : CapnChaos
    • I'd also try changing the window color maybe... might be too translucent?? : Shadowdane
    • set your taskbar buttons to "Always combine, hide labels". : brainchild420
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    I guess I don't understand the need for a quick launch in 7 because the whole task bar is a quick launchb... : melkore
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      i think people are more wanting a separate icon showing on the taskbar for each window they have open. P... : Shadowdane
      • I know I'm the last person people care about on that topic but you summed it up perfectly, I really hones... : abrasion
      • They can go to the taskbar properties and uncheck 'group similar items' or whatever. Just like Vista. : derelict515
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      a quick launchbar with HUGE icons. if you have more than a handful of shortcuts it just doesn't work wel... : electroly
      • you can change the size of them. also, i like to set up toolbars(like, put all your apps in one folder in... : brainchild420
      • I think I'd need like 30 things pinned to need to even switch to small icons. Maybe I'm weird but I used ... : derelict515
      • I honestly don't like it but I always launch everything from the start menu anyway. I set it to "combine ... : h0cake
      • http://www.teamlogic.org/downloads/desktop.jpg the menu's on the lower right of the taskbar are my abs... : brainchild420
      • You can fill up the entire task bar with pinned items if you wanted. The best thing about pinned items i... : cetra00
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  go back to Linux : Korban
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    i am using linux!!!!!!! : boring gegtik
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      HOW'S YOUR GAMING?! : Korban
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        He rocked the final track of Tux Racer so hard last night. : Alice O'Connor
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          Lol!! /thread : korruptedone
          • You jerks, I worked hard making that game >:( : SeaLlama
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  I installed it last night and the only 'issues' I see with it for normal people are with the email. As i... : redfive
  • I don't really have any issues, but I didn't with Vista either. I'm just a little underwhelmed. : CapnChaos
• I had to use Vista at uni today for the first time in ages and there were so many little things I missed ... : Sacred Sperm
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  7 enthusaists: my copy arrives today. When I first built my pc I installed vista and was pretty happy w... : kek
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    when you do the upgrade you can format the drive and then install from an upgrade (I think) : redfive
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      I've heard this, but I'm not asking about that. The "Vista upgrade trick" still works too I've heard. ... : kek
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        there is no difference in the results of the install whether you upgrade or format. if you upgrade it mov... : brainchild420
        • okay that helps, thanks. : kek
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    you have to stop installing so much shit on your computer, then it will stop running like crap. : brainchild420
    • You sound like me talking to my wife. I have no crap. :( : kek
  • I had Vista for 2 years and it seemed just as fast as the day I installed it right up until I installed 7... : marmite
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    There was an NVIDIA driver problem with alt-tabbing, make sure you have the latest graphics drivers : Goncyn
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      not sure what this means, the default 7 drivers from the RTM a month ago have always worked fine here, on... : brainchild420
      • It means kek said I used to be so psyched about how my new pc could alt tab from WoW with no delay whatso : Goncyn
• The taskbar was annoying when I tried the RC : bolneze
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  I love the new taskbar, but then I'm an OSX whore too. Big icons > tiny icon and long text descriptions. : node
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    i like it cause i'm minimalistic. groups the programs and then i can preview and select the screen all fr... : xxiv
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      That's what I love about it too. Everything is just so damn clean on my computer now and I love it. My : Lionhart32935
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        I have LOTS of icons. All games. All high res. http://node.shackspace.com/gamesdesktop.jpg I also work... : node
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          That's a lot of games! : atom519
          • Those are just the ones I still play or want to finish. >< My Steam list is silly now, and I've got a few... : node
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          how did you get them all in the circles? Is that a custom theme? : redfive
          • Impulse, maybe? : Ebu
          • I think he created all the icons himself : scottythejock
          • i want that steam icon :O : xsoulbrothax
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            Most of the black circles are from this amazing dude http://3xhumed.deviantart.com/ Some I made myself... : node
            • Those are pretty neat. : Chod
            • Those are really awesome. : virus
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          The start menu search faster than trying navigate icons I think. Windows Key, start typing, usually gets ... : aethyr
          • That is pretty awesome, it's like Quicksilver (at least the app launching part) on OSX which rocks. : node
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          Those icon's look cool but I would toss all of that in Steam and just have the one desktop icon. That wa... : melkore
          • Hmm. Tempting, but even more work. I never really missed the Steam overlay, only use it in Steam MP games... : node
          • They can be in steam and still have desktop icons. I think you just right click on a game in steam or som... : Nali4Freedom
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          ah cool no more shortcut arrow. nice. : xxiv
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            Yeah there are a bunch of methods online that DO NOT WORK, glad I finally found this one. : node
            • Yeah I've been looking for a way to do this that actually works, the couple I've tried didn't do anything... : electroly
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          i hate the shortcut icon..it's pointless. : deathofrats
          • Well it's to visually display that it is indeed a shortcut and not the actual executable. : Chod
          • the point is so you know the difference between a shortcut that can be deleted and the important file its... : derelict515
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          I've had problems pinning objects to the taskbar with those shortcut icon's removed. Beware! Also, you... : MercFox1
          • Oh fuck, I just noticed your Freespace 2 icon. WANT : MercFox1
• I can't think of one problem with Windows 7 RC so far. I absolutely love it over my other my XP system (... : handofthrawn
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  HIJACK I skipped Vista, so I never got fully acquainted with the Aero UI, but now that I have, am I the ... : stelth
  • You can make them solid if you want, I like it personally. : one random winner
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    The icons are the worst part. None of the ones that Microsoft designed (the better ones) match the shitt... : IndigoAK
    • Also, the transparency is awesome. After a while, the borders of the window always being lighter than the... : IndigoAK
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    You get used to it. Turn off transparency in the Window Color and Appearance personalization screen, it ... : electroly
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      didn't they just make the OSX title bar transparent in 10.5? Or are you still multiple versions behind? :... : derelict515
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        I'm running the absolute latest version of OSX now. OSX hasn't had transparent titlebars since 10.2. : electroly
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          I meant whatever you call the topmost bar where the Apple icon and spotlight originate. It definitely was... : derelict515
          • Ah, the menubar? Yeah, that was a pretty retarded change. First thing I "fixed" when I installed Snow L... : electroly
  • It's fugly as shit. It looks like it was designed to be flashy with no regard for functional aesthetics. : wasylm
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    I've got the RC running in a VM to play around with it, and I agree, it's fugly. Part of that is that wi... : genom
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      I don't know where the setting is in Windows 7, but in Vista you could change the colors in the "Window C... : electroly
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        The title of the window I get when clicking "Window Color" in the Themes panel is also labeled "Window Co... : genom
        • it should definitely look like the screenshot electroly posted (but with more color options in Win7). Not... : derelict515
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          Did you try right-clicking on the desktop and choosing "Personalize"? : GoS-CPT-Stewart
          • Oh, haha. I'm dumb. Don't mind me, I only completely didn't read your comment. : GoS-CPT-Stewart
    • Type themes in start menu. Click 'change the theme' which takes you to a pane inside Personalization->Win... : derelict515
    • It sounds like the VM isn't running Aero? : Shadowdane
  • I like it a lot : OverloadUT
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  I skipped Vista, but I definitely like 7 over XP. : aethyr
  • I never thought I would, but so do I. : Salad Sammich
  • Same. : dmason
  • Same here : Mmmmmoo
• The taskbar is what sold me on 7. It's so much nicer than having long taskbar icons+Quick launch menu to... : melkore
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  just reposting this for anyone using multiple displays: windows key + P brings up a quick display swit... : brainchild420
  • gonna have to try this when I get home : Unleashed
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    windows key + arrow keys rule too : umegastar
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      i think if you hold ctrl or shit in there it will move windows back and firth between displays. window : brainchild420
      • lol shit = shift :( : brainchild420
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        Doesn't work with the keypad. : JT
        • lame, luckily there are other numbers on the keyboard. come on where are your RTS skills, windows key + a... : brainchild420
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    Holy hell this awesome. Only weird thing it thinks my tv is the main computer and my monitor a projector... : Lionhart32935
    • i think it just picks up display 1 and display 2, if you reverse them on your card it would probably work... : brainchild420
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  I'm having problems with mine. I installed my upgrade copy last night and it worked great for the short ... : Begawkiness
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    Google reveals you are not alone... do some digging! Hope its an easy fix =) : yAak
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      And since im bored... my suspicion is your boot sector is either messed up, or didnt get created properly... : yAak
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        Thanks, yeah I found similar info earlier today. I don't really understand why there is a problem as I w... : Begawkiness
        • Yuck, it sounds like you did everything right then... : yAak
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  it seems like its less productive to not show what you have open. for example, i like leaving gmail open... : dignan
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    you can tell it to group only when you run out of space. : Merconium
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      but all you see in the start bar is the IE icon : dignan
      • Sorry, I don't understand. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/Change-how-buttons-appear-on-the... : Merconium
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    you should just log in to gmail chat on your IM app or get the systray gmail manager instead of leaving I... : brainchild420
    • i don't use an IM app, i log into yahoo once a week or so but i doubt you can attach your gmail acct to ... : dignan
• Most of the improvements are under the hood. It is in fact, superior to Vista in pretty much every way... : Mr. Goodwrench
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  I love that you can move icons around in the Win7 taskbar. I like my programs to appear in a certain ord... : slax0r
  • ^^^^^^^^^ : proclone1
• If you have a bunch of stuff minimized on your taskbar, is there a way you can bring up all the open wind... : digweed014
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  yeah w7 isn't that great, i hate its file explorer compared to winXP : Sixcos
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    it is far superior to XP. You're just not used to it. Once you get used to it you'll be flying around. : redfive
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      Breadcrumb navigation is pretty awesome once you get used to it. Even Gnome is doing something similar : melkore
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        It was tough for me to get used to it but once I did it was awesome. : redfive
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          Yup, the breadcrumbs are the best thing about it IMO, great for navigating deep structures. : node
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            i don't understand how it trumps just using the left pain as a folder structure to move around, works per... : dignan
            • It comes in pretty handy for many things, sometimes a window has opened up without the folders to the lef... : Scotty22
  • the fact that it allows you to skip files in use when copying or deleting, rather than just halting the e... : Halen
  • I can't live without the new right preview pane. I wish I could get my company to install Win7 on the wo... : cetra00
• Check out some of the properties, I hate the default look of windows 7 taskbar. I check use small icons a... : chungathebunga
• Can't you customize the shit out of every windows anyway? if not now, in the coming months. 7 is fantasti... : niceguynick
• Well according to the commercials since you "made" it you can only blame yourself. : Fyunch Click
• I really like it, and for $30, it was a pretty good deal for me. : dmason
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  Is anything improved under the hood in Windows 7, or is it basically just a GUI update? : rudds
  • it's just a service pack to windows 3.11, omfg don't pay for it, M$$$$$ is horrible : Downforce
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    There're massive engineering changes under the hood and anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they'... : derelict515
    • ^^^ A ton of things have been redesigned or added. A ton. : Danny5225
• I love the Libraries feature : OverloadUT
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  Awesome, how was your Windows 7 Launch Party? :) : Endymion_
  • Hey, technically my party isn't supposed to be until this weekend :P : CapnChaos
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  http://lifehacker.com/5386953/lifehackers-complete-guide-to-windows-7 Complete Guide to Windows 7 and ... : sreyes22
  • holy shit, +inf this sucker : dignan
  • agree. INF+ : retarded talking dinosaur
  • INF'd : Ormsbee
  • Interesting : Mmmmmoo
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  BTW: people getting retail copies of Win7 - look on the back of the booklet included in the box (yeah, I ... : gimpi
  • Oh hey, that's neat. It's also full color, which is more than I can say about a lot of game manuals th... : slax0r
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  it is vista from what i've heard. Vista with fixes. I'm still on XP but next HW upgrade i'll switch over... : gyokuro
  • Isn't Windows XP just Windows 95 with fixes? : Scotty22
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  If I have 2 copies - one home premium and one pro... and I activated home premium on one machine, but cha... : jooky
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    retail , oem , ? : dignan
    • home premium is retail boxed copy, and pro is a direct download with key (university deal making the roun... : jooky
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  What's the official word on clean installs from upgrade media? Lot of flip flopping re: this yesterday. :... : My Documents
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    A Upgrade disc will do a clean install. Just pick "Custom" install instead of typical. No Vista or XP m... : amrbean
    • This isn't true. According to Maximum PC and other sources the upgrade disc requires a previously activat... : serenj
    • didn't work for me. : edgewise
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    I HAVE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS! I have an extra upgrade copy that I decided to play with to get to ... : Bean
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      this is great info, young Bean! : Dave-A
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        I got sick of all the conflicting information re: upgrade installs. Even though I've been running the RTM... : Bean
        • i'll try and link to your post for the next 3823 people that complain about it! : Dave-A
        • I've tried to answer with the correct information in every thread I've seen, but someone inevitably posts... : Goncyn
    • Thank you for this post, sir. : Ellissd
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      THANK you!! : yAak
      • someone INF Bean's post : yAak
    • Excellent and informative your post has been. : Mmmmmoo
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      Do you do the second install at reboot or from within Windows? : Albemuth
      • If the case where you are doing a clean install, yes. Because the first install will serve as the copy th... : Bean
  • PAUL THURROTT HAS THE ANSWER And it looks like it's even easier than with Vista: http://www.winsupers... : Schnapple
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  so hear is a retarded question, I have an XP pro machine that I haven't formated for awhile and I want to... : stgdz
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    With an upgrade version you can upgrade directly from XP. It'll only overwrite your system files and put... : slax0r
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      So program files and all my games won't have to re-installed? I heard it takes freaking forever to upgrad : stgdz
      • If you upgrade from XP, it saves your files, but you will have to reinstall programs/games. : Goncyn
• I saw this list of interesting features new to Windows 7 backend on reddit comments. check it: http://www... : retarded talking dinosaur
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  I'm going to have a hardtime getting used to the new task bar as well: http://www.shackpics.com/files/tas : sikander
  • haiku is having a seizure looking at just that small portion of your desktop : Downforce
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    search function trumps that. You want CCleaner. type in CC and press enter : redfive
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      click + type + type + enter versus click : sikander
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        Windows key + 'CC' + enter means you don't have to locate your mouse cursor :D : lolpatrol
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          Heh yeah a click is worth far more than a couple keystrokes when we're talking about time saving : OverloadUT
          • You've got that backwards. If you're working on the keyboard, you have to move a hand off to the mouse. H... : mroizo40
      • get a G19 : Downforce
      • totally agree. i hope i can make Win7 work like XP when it comes to desktop functionality and quickstart.... : yacoub35
  • disgusting. : ant_hillbilly
  • worst taskbar ever : K1Bond007
  • fuck you in the face : pupismyname
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    sikander do i gotta fly over there and teach you how to use a compy 386?!? : Dave-A
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      see, the problem here is that it doesn't scale app. You get another ten things you need to run, where do ... : Dave-A
      • scale app? scale up. : Dave-A
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      Am i doing this right http://www.shackpics.com/viewer.x?file=drives_gafpuyzytfx1pob7qt2y.png ? : sikander
      • Holy fucking jesus christ now I know you are joking. Please tell me this is a joke : OverloadUT
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        still not as bad as abrasion's "technique" : EvilDolemite
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          what was that again? : Dave-A
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            someone has a screenshot. it was like nothing i've ever seen or heard of before. terrifying. : EvilDolemite
            • yeah, I was trying to find it! it was like a sea of underscores and caps. : Dave-A
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            C:_____________Games__________________ : redfive
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              D:______________PROGRAMS____________ : redfive
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                iirc he had the drive letter repeated at the end as well, like E: ____________PICTURES_________(E) : electroly
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                  hahaha yeah http://members.iinet.net.au/~scottylans/dodgyfile.png : electroly
                  • what a goddamned nightmare : MercFox1
                  • hahahah that was it!!! : Dave-A
                  • haha this is so bad : armybob
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                    I can't believe he works in IT. Seriously, if he does how does he keep his job? He's given absolutely beg... : Phreakin
                    • super-old school techniques : EvilDolemite
                    • I've worked with plenty of IT guys like that (and programmers too). Some people just need their pencils l... : Dave-A
                    • yeah but he can make his own Flash kernel : pancake humper
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                      he's amazingly good at copying files or something : Clay
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                        http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=20524716 : armybob
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                          Ass burgers : pancake humper
                          • TERRIFY YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : armybob
                  • hahahaha what the fuck is wrong with you people : virus
                  • This explains so much... : Link.
      • bahahahahahaah the fuck it's like a nightmare you cannot wake up from. : PlanetPerfecto
      • lol : feek
      • Do you know about these things called "folders"? : Geoffrois
      • What the fuck : Danny5225
      • lol. I had a friend who seriously thought partitions were somehow better than folders. : famine101
      • man that is crazy : stgdz
      • Hand in your badge and gun please. : Chod
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        If only there were ways to create directories or something inside one drive... : rosewood
        • get out of here with that futuristic theoretical bullshit sir : Downforce
        • look, I don't want any technicalities here : cpt_gloval
      • FUCK DRIVE LETTERS : midgetherder
      • have you heard of these things called 'folders'? : derelict515
      • WHY DO YOU DO THAT CRAZY SHIT AHHHHHH : virus
      • hahahahahahahahahahaha *inhales* hahahahahahaha : aethyr
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        someone correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't that make copying files around on those drives take twice as... : brainchild420
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          Copying will take the same amount of time. Moving between partitions is what will take significantly long... : LoioshDwaggie
          • Yes!! Moving stuff around is so annoying since I'm running out of space on most drives. I'll be upgrad... : sikander
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            wait, that doesn't make any sense... i was under the impression that 1) windows copies files, then de... : brainchild420
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              If you do a move within a parition Windows just updates the location pointer. When you do a copy, the dat... : LoioshDwaggie
              • we are talking about moving between different partitions. copy or not, it's still doing the blahblahblah ... : brainchild420
      • Holy shit, is this real? Ahahahaha : Link.
      • ABRASIONSPAWN! : SockMonkeh
  • Holy fucking unholy Christ on a pogo stick! : Bean
  • I use the same theme but a double height bar and not nearly as many quicklaunches : fathertime
  • there is no "arrange by penis" : gokart.
  • holy crap : yosemiteclimber
  • What the fuck is wrong with you man? : rosewood
  • I sincerly doubt you do, especially with vista's search bar. So cluttered. : avatar_58
  • my gawd... it's full of... crap : deviantpaul
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    look at what i do on the lower right with toolbars. http://www.teamlogic.org/downloads/desktop.jpg lets... : brainchild420
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      what the fuck is wrong with you people : retarded talking dinosaur
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        hah, what's wrong with this exactly? : brainchild420
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          Why not use start menu search and jumplists off of explorer? All those folders could be pinned to the exp... : derelict515
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            because that's... an extra step? why click twice or have to move to the keyboard to type and search for s : brainchild420
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              put your mp3 or movies folder down there like that, and tell me in 3 days that it's not awesome. that's ... : brainchild420
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                I did all that back in the XP days. I know how it works, I don't find it particularly useful. I browse... : derelict515
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                  why have the mp3 folder? because now you are opening your music app, opening the library, finding the mp3... : brainchild420
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                    If I click that mp3 icon it's going to expand a list that's longer than can be displayed without scrollin... : derelict515
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                      oh ok. i can't help you if your mp3's are organized like shit :) i just tested your jumplist theory an... : brainchild420
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                        My music is organized by the Vantage approved method ;) it's usually actually the songs in music\genre\ar... : derelict515
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                          the jumplists are pointless, all they do it open explorer windows... which i hate for no reason at all. :... : brainchild420
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                            I don't see how the indexing service is crap when 'search' is a primary feature of every computing platfo... : derelict515
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                              i've never really had much use for searching on my local pc to be honest... pretty much everything on the : brainchild420
                              • Don't get me wrong, I hate having a cluttered PC. I know where everything is but sort of by necessity if ... : derelict515
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                  look at it this way, whats more cluttered, those little menu's i have or the explorer windows you keep op... : brainchild420
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                    In my normal field of view? Your method. I open an explorer window, do my task, and either close it or br... : derelict515
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                      nothing is stopping me from opening windows when i feel i will need to come back to them. like i said bef : brainchild420
                      • As I said, if I'm just launching things, WinKey, type part of name, enter. No need to touch folders. And... : derelict515
        • it's cluttered. : xxiv
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        That's actually pretty neat and tidy : avatar_58
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          are you kidding? this is luddite-central. stuff like this completely ignores one of the best features of ... : cpt_gloval
          • they are direct links to the start menu folders and to the folxder on my hard drive. there is nothing to ... : brainchild420
    • BILLS HERE : yacoub35
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      These sub treads make me want to tech a class on how to computer, jesus christ. : pixelat3d
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        i'm amused that everyone thinks they know the only way to use a computer. : brainchild420
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          Says the guy who apparently needs 1-click access to a command prompt on windows = ) : pixelat3d
          • it must be nice to be so ignorant. : brainchild420
  • You can pin all that crap to the taskbar and it'll look just the same : melkore
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    what the fuck : deject
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      you people with your crazy ass taskbars are all insane or functionally retarded. : deject
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        http://www.apathymachine.com/gallery/d/1640-1/desktop_004.jpg that's all you need baby : deject
        • I haven't even used desktop shortucts since Vista came out. If I want to play Titan Quest I press the fol... : SockMonkeh
• Speaking of the new taskbar, here's something I found that made me like it a LOT better. I thought it was... : Gnowknayme
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  People who are already using 7 - how does it handle 2+ monitors? Have they decided to fix WDM yet to allo... : MisterPhoton
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    Dual Monitor molestation: Winkey + P : LoioshDwaggie
    • whoa, that's cool. : zerog83
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    I am using 3 monitors, two nvidia cards. Works fine like in XP. Only thing that's annoying is that moving... : GreatGooglyMoogly
    • moving a video player window from one monitor to the other* : GreatGooglyMoogly
• I couldn't disagree more. It has a million nice and refined features, I discover nice new touches every d : PlanetPerfecto
• You're doing it wrong. : scottythejock
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  Does it run games better? Does it open the web browser faster? otherwise it doesn't seem very relevant ... : Boxelder
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    it's that kind of backwards thinking that holds everyone else back. : zerog83
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      If they don't want hold people back they should make a product that's compelling to the average consumer.... : Boxelder
      • there are tons of things in Windows 7 that are compelling to the average consumer. you should try doing m... : zerog83
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    If all you do is open a web browser and never touch it after that then maybe you need to rethink how you ... : derelict515
    • Thanks for the words of wisdom, but I'm doing just fine. : Boxelder
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    You'd probably be happy enough with Windows ME : Mr. Goodwrench
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      zing? : Boxelder
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        what kind of response did you expect with the question you posed? : brainchild420
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          If you guys thing the average person is going to go out an spend hundreds of dollars for refinements to s... : Boxelder
          • windows 7 costs hundreds of dollars now? i wasn't aware that this average user you speak of needed window... : brainchild420
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            Windows 98 was the fastest-selling OS at retail, until Windows 2000 came out. Then Windows 2000 was the f... : zerog83
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              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ATeLDM1H4M : Boxelder
              • if this is what you are basing your opinions of windows operating systems on, we can just stop this conve... : brainchild420
          • I don't think you're as in touch with people as you think. www.engadget.com/2009/10/21/windows-7-breaks... : derelict515
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    Why yes! it does both these things. DirectX 10 & 11 allow for awesomer graphics - and the new way tha... : pixelat3d
    • Now that's an answer. : Boxelder
    • Vista did the precaching thing, but im pretty sure significant changes were made for 7. : retarded talking dinosaur
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      Wow so it's one big TSR. I want as much memory as possible, not pre-loaded junk. Keep your hands off my b : loboca
      • did you know that CPUs try to predict ahead of time what code will do and go down branches of execution t... : derelict515
  • You get programmer and statistics calculators now!! : ant_hillbilly
  • Yes it does both of those things. Frequently used applications are pre-loaded in to memory, which means y... : OverloadUT
  • Actually, yes! : SockMonkeh
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  This is the great thing about using XP. W7 will be a huge leap for me :) : Godhatesfatpeople
  • Yeah see, this is who Win7 is for and I love that people are finally giving up primitive XP when they sho... : Link.
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  It's the same thing is Vista with a slightly different UI that's no better or worse. Which is fine becaus... : Link.
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    Except for all of the non-cosmetic changes, I suppose it is. : aggressor
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      Such as? WDDM 1.1 and DX11 are the only notable non-cosmetic, both of which will be backported to Vista e... : Link.
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        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_7#Core_operating_system : tbreffni
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          All of those changes will be backported to Vista or are relatively unimportant. : Link.
          • Oh? Your source for when those will be backported please? Many of these changes are far from unimporta... : xylothan
          • I'm not sure many of those are getting backports. It doesn't make sense financially, so there's little mo... : dmason
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            ugh, you have no idea what you're talking about. A direct copy/paste of an old post of mine: it's all l... : derelict515
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              I mean, how do you think performance in an OS improves? Why is Win7 so much better on netbooks than Vista... : derelict515
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                Win7 isn't "so much better" on netbooks than Vista. I don't know what you're talking about. Have you ever... : Link.
                • TRIM? : ThereCanBeOnlyOneCat
                • Your argumet just because 'Vista's system requirements are no higher than XP.' Home Premium's minimum req... : derelict515
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                  Hello, read: http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/04/25/engineering-windows-7-for-graphics-performance.... : cetra00
                  • yeah, and the whole rest of the blog too : derelict515
            • you know the internet. "my competence on essential operating system architecture stems from thoughtful : lonestar3
          • no they definitely will not : retarded talking dinosaur
          • You are delusional. Vista is being abandoned, to rot and die. : deject
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    No, it's not. I already posted in this thread how wrong this opinion is. There're plenty of sources of in... : derelict515
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      I bet you still think Vista is a shitty OS and Win7's the godsend revision. Heh. : Link.
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        is there anything truly incorrect about this opinion? you think vista's low adoption rates were entirely ... : gokart.
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          Who give a shit? Vista SP2 and Win7 are nearly the same OS now and I'm glad that Win7 exists as a marketi... : Link.
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            ^^^ I was so tired of telling people that "Vista doesn't suck anymore." : Whistler77
            • Yeah, once companies got proper driver support out the door I was pretty happy with it. After service pac... : dmason
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            i'm glad it exists too, because vista was and is fucking useless. at least there are some interesting cha... : gokart.
            • Yet another person who has never used Vista. : Link.
            • Completely false. Vista and 7 are very similar, but Windows 7 improves incrementally on almost every aspe : retarded talking dinosaur
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            the fail is strong with this : Downforce
            • they never respond to the counterarguments with real evidence either : derelict515
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            Vista was fine, but you're high if you think Windows 7 doesn't offer a significant improvement. : uncleanmonkey
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              The dirty monkey is right. Vista is fine. It had kinks post-launch, but Microsoft ironed those out lon... : Danny5225
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                I had a very good experience with Vista. : riptyde
                • I did as well. : jonin
              • It didn't just have kinks at launch, it was pretty terrible. Service Pack 1 was a great leap forward, an... : deject
      • Heh. : derelict515
      • Heh. : Mr.SEX
      • Heh. : retarded talking dinosaur
      • Heh. : smackpiece
      • .heH : zombie man
      • LinkHeh. : CrustaR
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        UGGGHHH err... Heh. : dmason
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          Ugh Heh Meh Sneh Heh.... Heh...................................................... Ugh. : Drewus
          • Feh! Pheh... Phen... Nom Penh nom nom nom... Pho.... ooooo TASTY! : yacoub35
      • heh heh : thetangent
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  I'm in agreement. I'm very glad I got this for free. Everything that's a new feature to 7 seems either us... : SnakeIRye
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    I love new worldpad, paint, snipping tool, Domain Direct Access, sticky notes, and Powershell ISE. If th... : ghost in my shell
    • snipping tool was in vista : GloriousCow
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  anyone with an audigy get 5.1 sound to work? :( wtf creative you cocks : eeeealmo
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    Use this: http://forums.creative.com/t5/Sound-Blaster/SB-Audigy-Series-Support-Pack-3-5-10-11-2009/td-p/5... : Merconium
    • fuck i just installed 2.5 because i couldnt find anything newer. thanks a lot sir : eeeealmo
  • Try these: http://forums.creative.com/t5/Sound-Blaster/SB-Audigy-Series-Support-Pack-3-5-10-11-2009/m-p/... : cetra00
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    I'm so glad that I swore to never buy another creative product again. : marmite
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      my X-Fi works just fine in Win7... the Audigy 1 is pretty damn old at this point. : Shadowdane
      • Old but still good. A system I installed Windows 7 on today recognized it with no problems. : ProtoPunch
• 7 is better than Vista and if you keep using XP you''ll end up like those OS/2 users. Do yourself a favor... : yakz