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• You know what the sad part is? I feel like I would read more just because this thing is an electronic dev... : hirosushima
• Nook! : pancake humper
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  How does battery life compare? I don't like the keypad on the Kindle2 so I'm partial to the Nook. Definit... : das_runt
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    Nook = 10 hours Kindle2 = 14 hours : pancake humper
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      *days : Enraged Pineapple
      • so long that i'm sure you'll have access to electricity at some point. : StolenNosferatu
• Nook for wireless & storage. Still looking them over, though. http://gizmodo.com/5386017/barnes--noble-c... : cerealSAM2
• I have a kindle and it rocks. Don't really know anything about the nook. : whodares
• I've pretty much given up my soul to Google, and to a lesser extent, Amazon, so the Kindle. I <3 mine. : Deathlove
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  at this point i say either. i think i said this in your thread already but the only perks for the nook ri... : dahanese
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    heavier by one ounce though..if that's really a factor, then you are really weak. : deathofrats
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      oh and fatter by 4mm too. : deathofrats
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        the fatness thing gets me, although the ounce also matters -- i carry my kindle in my purse, so both make... : dahanese
        • no fatties : das_runt
        • does it have pointy elbows also? : drdreed
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    I'd like to know what the restrictions are on "friends" and how all that works. : riptyde
    • You can't lend to girls. : yAak
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  God help me but I suspect I'll be owning a Nook soon. Somehow I've avoided Sony's grasp. : Jonathan
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    i see no point in getting sony's. i might be completely off with this in the future but i don't think of ... : dahanese
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      I should have jumped into Sony's grasp just for the number of PDFs I had around but then the DX came alon... : Jonathan
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        yeah, i should say up front that i use mine exclusively for books -- i have no need for PDFs or textbooks... : dahanese
        • oh i also love having a kindle and the kindle iphone app so if i'm in a pinch i can still read my book of... : dahanese
• I like that the nook takes micro-SD cards and that you can load PDFs from them. That alone makes it prett... : angrytaxman
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  N_____ + Book = Nook? : jvox
  • I fancy some Nooke-books. : Jonathan
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    It's short for Net-book : Frozen Pixel
    • ah why couldn't I think of that. : jvox
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  Holy shit, the Nook allows you to lend your ebooks. If that works, that's fucking rad! : Bean
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    Of course, I still won't get one until color e-ink technology hits. And yes, I know I'm going to be waiti... : Bean
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      How many of your books are in color? (Better typography would be nice though) : Fayk
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        Aside from the 600+ cookbooks? I'd say maybe about 2,500 or so, which would be about 15%. However, the... : Bean
        • pics of your library plz. : cltcprd
        • Show us your library. book orgasm : StolenNosferatu
        • Pics+divx of your library : ColoradoCNC
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    You can't read the book while it's lent, though. : Lone Swordsman
    • Well, that would make perfect logical sense given how lending things works, eh? : Bean
    • Well, that's what happens when you lend a book. : Omning
    • lol.... : orgcaptainnemo
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    14 days at a time. It's the main selling point for me and my wife. : Omning
    • i love how you automatically get your book back. no need to ask! : handofthrawn
  • This is a feature that Kindle will have to allow, now. : IHATEDUST
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  Nook by a million miles. -PDF viewing. This is huge -Android. They've pretty much admitted apps are c... : geedeck
  • holy shit it runs android? rad. : Yanks
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    in store check out? Like you go to inside the store, pick out your book, and pay for it? Is that really... : valael
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      No, you can read through an entire book inside any B&N store. : angrytaxman
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        i'm not really sure why I'd ever want to go into a B&N store to read a full book : valael
        • Because it's free. Duh. : JohnnyRey
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  Neither. I'm waiting to see what Apple's tablet will be like. I read rumors somewhere that they're talkin... : nyranger66
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    Well I guess I shouldn't say neither because Apple's tablet could turn out to be crap. : nyranger66
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      I'm going to go ahead and say it will be in a silver case. involve cover flow and let you purchase via i... : hirosushima
      • and if they get it to have free 3G for book buying, then hopefully they'll add 3G (on a $$ data plan, of ... : proclone1
      • And the battery will only last a day if you're lucky. : Rigg5
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        are you a prophet!?!? : nyranger66
        • sup : silent prophet
    • It probably won't use an e-paper display either. : Serpico74
• The Nook is based on Android. I don't know why this doesn't get talked about more. That means that you sh... : tashtego
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  so can this nook read any pdf? what kind of DRM does it have? : [fry]
  • yeah, it reads pdfs, you can even just stick a microSD into it with your pdfs : filthysock
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  The Nook is very compelling, and almost exactly what I'd want. I like that they used Android for the OS, ... : mn3m0n1c
  • thats weird that they removed the sd slot on the kindle 2. My Kindle 1 has it, so I figured they were cl... : JuffoWup
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  Looks like the Nook supports fewer formats then the Kindle, and the books that I've looked up on B&N E-bo... : Omning
  • you can assign multiple kindles to one account and read the books on how ever many kindles you have. I d... : DogDharma
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    Kindles linked to the same account can read the same books at the same time, no need for lending or anyth... : scythide
    • I didn't know this was possible, thanks guys. : Omning
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  Are these color in color? Like could I read a full color PDF on one of these? : ShadowRam
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    the only color is the small LCD screen used for the menu at the bottom, not the surface that renders the ... : qwpeoriu
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      Bleh, guess I wait then.... : ShadowRam
      • I hope you get to read your vast collection of color PDFs one day. =( : DinK
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  As a Kindle 1, 2, and DX owner, I'm probably pretty biased, but my thoughts are basically: I've never fou... : scythide
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    As an avid Kindle user, what formats do you find yourself using? Just the amazon store format and PDF? ... : Omning
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      Amazon format, PDF, JPG (I read black and white comics on the DX), TXT, and whatever format they send you... : scythide
      • Looks like Feedbooks uses mobi or ePub, so it'd still work with the Nook. Thanks! : Omning
  • As a Kindle 2 user, I'm incredibly excited to be able to use the color touchscreen and whatever awesomene... : famine101
• Both need a $100 version. : Chod
• How about the Alex? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dtgHfAMP5I : TK-421
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  The kindle beat the nook to market and amazon is a much stronger brand than barnes and noble. in fact, wh... : NeoMoose
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    I'm feeling the same way, the Nook looks nice but Amazon was first to market. I don't really see the feat... : qwpeoriu
    • Kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiindle. : Endymion_
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  Let me know when they have color screens : melkore
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    It's a book reader, not a Highlights reader : pancake humper
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      If I could subscribe to magazines and have them downloaded to a Kindle like a newspaper I would be all ov... : melkore
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        http://www.amazon.com/Magazines-Journals-Kindle/b?ie=UTF8&node=241646011 ? : Omning
        • and http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss?url=node%3D165389011&field-keywords=&x=0&y=0 : Omning
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          What's the point of reading a color magazine in black and white? : melkore
          • Do you mean looking at pictures and ads in magazines? Because it doesn't matter what colors the words are... : Omning
  • I doubt that's a priority given the content : Arceihn
• iphone + stanza :( : Clay
• iphone + kindle app : DooBall
• I'd love if one worked in Canada. : Fred Garvin
• nook man, the color LCD is giong to pay off in the long run : snowwolf
• Phil did it all for the Nookie : kelerian
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  I'd get the nook for the device, but Kindle will probably have the better service. I love amazon, but the... : edgewise
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    The device is so secondary to the services around it, its why the Sony reader is a non-contender. Otherwi... : Serpico74
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      good point, but suppose the nook allows user made apps to work on it via Android? That's a pretty huge bo... : edgewise
      • I'm not really sure I see the big draw there. Unless there are some killer Android apps that are Nook spe... : qwpeoriu
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  The Nook's the better device. Doesn't have international service yet, though, so I'm getting a Kindle2. : Arceihn
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    You could still get a Nook/US Kindle2 if you manage your library through your PC and manually sync. There... : famine101
    • Yup, when I'm out of the country and want to download a new book I just do it via Amazon.com and transfer... : Serpico74
    • Oh, awesome. I'll have to look into that. : Arceihn
• other than browse your library, what does the nook use the color touchscreen for? : Mr.Fusion
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  The more important factor for me is the quality of the online service. I'd wait to see how B&N's measures... : Serpico74
  • Ok, just went over this in detail: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/nook/compare/ It has everything I'd w... : Serpico74
• http://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/E-book_Reader_Matrix : miasma(&)
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  How is the kindle for newspaper reading? I always like reading the sunday paper and may pick up a kindle... : stgdz
  • That's what the Kindle DX is for. Check it out. : famine101
• to the people playing up android OS part. What is the benifit of this? The things are made to read book... : DogDharma
• Kindle ebooks are $9, Nook ebooks are $11 and $12. WTFNOOK : Phil
• I'll agree that it's a toss up only because I don't think the Nook offers any super compelling features a... : sammyjojo
• I shall continue to purchase tangible books with real paper. I like to turn real pages and I spend enoug... : TheRealBigDumbass

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  Going to nip this one in the bud right now: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=21207444 : AlexXdude
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    As in the Steam version will not have SecuRom : AlexXdude
    • More evidence that Valve kicks ass. : MercFox1
    • Awesome, thanks for pointing that out! : nandu666
    • EOT folks. : Ride-My-Rocket
• I do think that's kind of stupid. : deject
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  Valve confirmed the Steam version is not using Securom though. So anyone getting it from Steam is fine. : Shadowdane
  • I think everyone should get it through Steam in a 4-pack deal if possible, it's a really good price : AlexXdude
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  i'm confused here, are you upset that the pirate can't play his game? breaking street date is the same... : brainchild420
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    He says he owns a legal copy, unless he's a really dumb pirate but I doubt he would go directly to Gearbo... : manlyman
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      People go directly to the developer and publisher with problems they have after pirating the game all the... : SilverSnake
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        this is hardly the same : Halen
        • I'm replying to the "unless he's a really dumb pirate but I doubt he would go directly to Gearbox" bit. ... : SilverSnake
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      Batman: AA recently had a "bug" designed to reveal pirates : dirge23
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        it broke grapple points or something is that the one you mean? : peat
        • iirc you couldn't use the cape to glide, which is necessary : dirge23
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      Batman: AA ...Titan Quest....Op Flash 1 : Sgt_Boomstick
      • Difference was that Titan quest CRASHED when pirated. I read an article about the amount of support conta... : dafugg
    • that's what killed SIn:Episodes i believe? : deviantpaul
    • Romsteady posted a few times about helping people with Sin episodes when it turned out that they were run... : Prozium
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    What? So if the store sells the game it's the consumer's fault? : Nitrium
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      What? So if thepiratebay offers the game it's the consumer's fault? : mlev
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        is this a serious post : AlexXdude
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          i'm going to lol it in the hopes that he is clowning on the op of this subthread. : RetroRedEyeJr
          • This. : mlev
    • No, it's the store's fault - but the game isn't 'live' for a couple more days yet, so the consumer should... : xsoulbrothax
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    Where does the developer imply breaking the street date is the same as piracy? : crummynz
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      how is it different? breaking the street date is pretty f-in serious for the retailer that sold it to him... : brainchild420
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        It's different because in one case you're buying the game and in the other you're not? seems pretty clear... : AlexXdude
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          It's called 0-day piracy protection. It sucks for people that buy legitimate copies from retailers who br... : jason bergman
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            Don't the pirates just remove this check, and bypass the copy protection all together? : Modulus
            • yeah but if they admitted to that there would be no reason to have copy protection schemes... : brainchild420
          • I realize that and I understand why and what a street date is, but at the same time, it's up to the retai... : AlexXdude
          • And the retailer should be punished, not the consumer : maulla
          • I'm going to guess that it makes no difference to pirates, as with a physical copy they could probably cr... : Halen
          • It's not piracy vis a vis the consumer. : ra1n
          • That's different. As Alex already pointed out, brainchild420 is saying that anyone who buys games before ... : Nitrium
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        Scenario A - Broken Street Date) Developers Get Paid Scenario B - Piracy) Developers Don't Get Paid. ... : deject
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          Scenario A - Broken street day, pirates get a head start, 500 thousand PC gamers download the game before... : uncleanmonkey
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            I thought most most piracy groups get the discs from like disc stamping factories and such, not from reta... : deject
            • i'd imagine it's a mix of both. : brainchild420
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        Pretty sure retailers dont get fined for breaking a street date. It's just an unwritten agreement that th... : SigENeaT
        • they could pursue if it they chose to. usually they just stop delivering new releases to that store or ch... : brainchild420
  • Those are no where near the same thing, and I don't think you speak for the devs. : ra1n
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    i assume it blocks him from playing to help curb pre-release PC piracy. it will greatly hurt sales if it... : dantastic
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      It blocks him from playing because the console people paid them to do it so that they can claim games com... : terath
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        hahaha. your last sentence has merit though. the rest is kinda tinfoilhatty : dantastic
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          Um, the first and the last are the same. Why do you think they do that, if not to give incentive for a co... : terath
          • i already told you why i know they do that. they don't want the PC version leaked before it's available ... : dantastic
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  Wow that's really lame. That's why I hate all these internet validation schemes. It's no longer just you... : Modulus
  • Of course it does. It's stupid and anti-consumer. It doesn't do anything significant to stop piracy, but ... : yacoub35
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  Sounds like the secure rom protection isn't that shitty after all. lol : FormerHPB
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    shitty for the consumer : Modulus
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      How is stopping street date violation shitty? : mlev
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        the consumer may have no idea what the street date is supposed to be and isn't party to any agreement bet... : dirge23
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          if you buy a car that goes 200mph, then get arrested for driving 200mph, who's fault is it? : brainchild420
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            please stop : AlexXdude
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              ok fine try this. if you write me check for $1000 dated 12/12/12, and i complain when i can't cash it at ... : brainchild420
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                see that has the effective date written right on the front, whereas software doesn't. : dirge23
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                  i'd love to know where he bought it that didn't have the release date posted somewhere : brainchild420
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                    you think stores that break the release date post the release date? : dirge23
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                      true. i stuck on a tangent here, i'm not trying to say it doesn't suck for the guy that bought the game. ... : brainchild420
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                        I'm pretty sure there were several posts in here over the course of the week from people saying that they... : Vincent Grayson
                        • i can't help them if they don't know how to read. : brainchild420
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                        It has nothing to do with what the scheduled date is IF THE RETAILER SOLD IT TO HIM : maulla
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                          then blame the retailer. no one here is defending them. stop attacking me like i am. : brainchild420
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                            you are blaming the consumer for buying a product when "he should have known better." : maulla
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                              yes. yes i am. is no one accountable for knowing what they purchase anymore? even if he shouldn't hav... : brainchild420
                              • and it's not like they are holding his money ransom. he can return it for store credit and buy it on rele... : brainchild420
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                          How is this different from buying stolen property? "wah wah wah but I paid for it!" Christ, where do you... : nevlos
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                            A person who buys stolen property in good faith without knowing it's stolen usually gets to keep it. : dirge23
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                              What? I thought it usually gets confiscated and given back. If i buy a stolen laptop and they track it do... : StolenNosferatu
                              • not if some innocent third party buys it. the cops can't steal it from somebody who bought it and give it... : dirge23
                            • Maybe if they are unable to identify who the property belongs to, but I doubt they would keep your [bike]... : nevlos
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                    pretty much the majority of stores, if it's on the shelf, then I'm going to say it's safe to believe they... : Halen
                    • so does your username imply you have the brain of a child, or should we leave that to your posts? : Halen
                  • I've bought games early at places that didn't have the release date posted. Of course I knew I was gettin... : aethyr
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                    Not really living up to your shackname today are ya? Well maybe the 420 part.... : hashd
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                      more like you guys pigeonholed what i said into something stupid, but... sure. : brainchild420
                      • No you took care of that all by yourself. : Makenxero
                  • The more likely a store is to break a street date, the less likely they are to display a release date. N... : tree8
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                You are really trying to hard, and none of the shit youre posting is relative or makes sense. just stop. : maulla
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                  why is everyone hardcore defending some schmuck that in all likelyhood KNEW he was buying the game early?... : brainchild420
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                    Because regardless of street dates or SECUROM or anything else, when you go to a store and buy a product,... : Vincent Grayson
                    • sure, and he has every right to be mad... at the store that sold it to him. it's not the developer or sec... : brainchild420
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                    Because the store sold it to him? The store decided to break the street date. He legally purchased the ga... : maulla
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                      customer's rights to use the product don't start until the street date. retailers are not supposed to br... : mikecyb
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                        and the problem is that with a shitty service like secure rom, the consumer gets the short end of the sti... : maulla
                        • I don't understand why Gearbox doesn't ask to see proof of purchase - which should include a copy of the ... : dedgecko
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                Actually, banks will cash post-dated checks anytime. : IHATEDUST
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                  this is not entirely true, if the funds are available they can get away with it but it's still violation ... : brainchild420
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                    i guess if they'd just slap a date on the front of the box i'd be fine with it not working until then, be... : dirge23
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                      there are plenty of ways this could be more obvious, and it certainly should be. sneakily disabling the ... : brainchild420
                      • Why bother slapping a date on it? Its not supposed to be sold yet! : IHATEDUST
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                    For the record, you are the only one posting in this subthread that makes an ounce of sense. What a cryb... : nevlos
                    • IAWTP I wish I was on earlier to help BrainChild out. : SlingBlaze
              • actually I think that date is legally meaningless now : alexthegreat2
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          lol : mlev
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            your swine flu is showing, go to bed. : dirge23
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              :'( : mlev
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                Sorry for that one. I am an asshole. : dirge23
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                  Naw, I lol'd. Actually, let me LOL that shit right now. : mlev
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                    Well I'm still an asshole. Feel better. : dirge23
                    • I'd hug you, but I dont wana give you the pig. : mlev
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    To help prevent consumer confusion when stores break street date, publishers should have a little slip in... : Frozen Pixel
    • it really should just be a given not to break street date with PC games. the majority of them won't work... : mikecyb
• Return the game and get the street date free version. Seriously I know piracy is bad but dont fucking scr... : Cashh
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  this is not really a cut and dry issue. with securrom you have to pay for a server and you have a contra... : mikecyb
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    Plus pre-release slander could hurt sales if someone has a copy and says "OMG I HATES THIS GAME IT SUXORS... : IHATEDUST
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      Yeah but imagine if a large store released the game early. You would see thousands of people posting a... : Beady
      • Yeah I agree. I think pre-sales suck for the dev and publisher. : IHATEDUST
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    But you do have to realize that piracy prevention is none of the consumer's business, and they have every... : Modulus
    • that's fine but this is just how it works and it sucks, but so does piracy. if three people who got it e... : mikecyb
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    No, the problem is that the console version was released before the PC version. I absolutely despise p... : ovrlrd
    • the way I look at it, the game was released for consoles on Tuesday, and preloading started last night. T... : zerog83
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  Customers shouldn't be punished for a store's mistakes. Sure its another barrier to piracy, but pirates ... : manlyman
  • I think there are quite a lot of people who will do whatever it takes to play the game as early as possib... : Zek
  • They shouldn't if this were a perfect world. But it's not, and to set precedent, they should. Too bad, l... : nevlos
  • They're not being punished, they're just not being rewarded. : bipolar
• It's very unfortunate for the consumer if they unknowingly purchased a game from a store that broke the s... : Zek
• The version available through Steam does not have Securom, according to locash. : dmason
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  gbxnettle on the borderlands forums asked anyone who got a legitimate PC copy early from a vendor, to con... : rmjackson
  • gbxnettle or ennui : rmjackson
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    hahah "Name names and we'll let you play" : AlexXdude
    • Yeah, they're going to make the store who broke the date pay dearly. Breach of contract ahoy! : SilverSnake
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  He actually does not own a legal copy of Borderlands. It will not be a legal copy until the 26th. : OverloadUT
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    too bad he paid for one. : dirge23
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      too bad so did everyone who bought it off steam so far? : mlev
      • Christ, exactly, he has a physical preorder, what else is there to discuss? : nevlos
      • i agree, i wanna play it now. but i knew i'd have to wait. : dirge23
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      If someone sells you a stolen car, and you pay them, it doesn't make the car not stolen. It's not the sam... : OverloadUT
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        Also, when you buy software, you're not buying the content of the disk. You're buying a licence to use th... : OverloadUT
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          this would be fine if the user had a chance to read the EULA before buying (or if they just put the date ... : dirge23
          • Well that's true. I don't know why that is the case and I don't know if the legitimacy of the EULA has ev... : OverloadUT
        • Does the EULA really say that it's not valid until October 26 2009? Most likely the publisher has a con... : Modulus
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        this is not an apposite situation, but you'd probably get to keep the car if you had no notice it was sto... : dirge23
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          I can't believe you're actually correct about that. I admit that you know a lot more about the law than m... : OverloadUT
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            this is also a lousy example because of the title system for cars. since the cars are registered with the... : dirge23
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              Okay, same situation with a different object, like a bike. Cops find it, buyer didn't know it was stolen,... : OverloadUT
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                no, you get screwed. you have a lawsuit against the robber for the value of your bike. if you can catch h... : dirge23
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                  (i am the buyer in that second sentence) : dirge23
                  • third sentence, ugh. time to go home : dirge23
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                  Actually this isn't true (in Canada anyway). My friend walked by his stolen bike parked outside an apartm... : nevlos
                  • Yeah, proving you paid for it and didn't know (and shouldn't have known) it was stolen could be difficult... : dirge23
                  • but they did alleviate his woes, by telling him he can play it on monday like everyone else. : brainchild420
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              and yeah i agree, the fact that a good faith purchaser gets to keep the stolen goods is pretty counterint... : dirge23
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                That is a good way of explaining it. I guess someone has to get screwed if the robber isn't caught. Man t... : OverloadUT
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                  the better example goes like this: A has a bike. B steals the bike and sells it to C, who doesn't know... : dirge23
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                    Yeah, I watched a cop take a stolen bike (in story related above, pretty much your scenario). As long as ... : nevlos
                    • Say C is a bike store and D has a receipt. : dirge23
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            you had insurance buy you another fucking car, you don't get 2 : alexthegreat2
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              I just find it weird that if an object was stolen from you, and the police find it, you don't get to have... : OverloadUT
              • you have to file a police report in order for the insurance to pay you. Cops are basically agents of the... : alexthegreat2
      • That's a pretty bad example : AlexXdude
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    what law was broken? should he be arrested? : AllYourBase
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      "legal" is probably the wrong word here. There is a breach of contract involved and I honestly don't know... : OverloadUT
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        It was illegal to sell him something that does not work as advertised : alexthegreat2
        • but the game is advertised to work on monday : brainchild420
      • Their TV ads say the game is "available now!" with a PC version clearly visible and no disclaimer that it... : pyide
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    Lets get this straight. He owns a copy of a game that will activate when it is released. It's that sim... : Rigg5
    • It happens all the time. : Conan
• Does securom have a limited number of activations? I always thought that was bullshit. : Mecha Tofu Pirate
• Who would have thought street dates could be so philosophical. : jigstah
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  Am i reading this thread correctly? Are people comparing broken street dates to breaking the law or pirat... : SigENeaT
  • We are simply saying he's a moron for bitching that the anti-piracy software stopped him from breaking st... : mlev

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• That's awesome. I wish my city laws allowed me to keep chicken. : c0bra
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  HAHAHAHA! Take THAT you liberal hippies! Now you have to get rid of all your god damned ankle bitters and : EricZBA
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    Character post right? : Porkasaurus
    • Yea, forgot to put in jk at the end :) : EricZBA
• What about a horse? You wouldn't need a car and could ride it around, and eat it later on too. : retardhumper
• Well that is certainly provocative. : vigilante
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  I like how the extremists of environmentalism have gotten to the point. They don't want you owning or do... : bashildy@speakeasy.net
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    Raising a chicken as a pet means it'll be a lot harder to slaughter it once its ready. You probably di... : c0bra
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      Nope, but I've slaughtered an animal and have had a pet and I've always considered them different. Raisi... : bashildy@speakeasy.net
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        Nope. On a farm, they are both (assuming it's an animal normally eaten, like chicken or cow). : ArcKnight
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          Interesting. I would think it would be difficult to put an individual emotional investment into an anima... : bashildy@speakeasy.net
          • Yep. (They were cows). Made damn good fresh steak too. : ArcKnight
      • I was meaning more that you wouldn't raise the chickens as pets. : c0bra
  • Well, you did say they were extremists. : cerealSAM2
  • everyone i've met who's raised chickens is only too happy to kill those fucking things : lja83
• ahahaha. i think it would be easier to take away people's guns. : datoo
• TIME TO TAX DOG FARTS!! : g0nk
• I'm going to call bullshit on this one. : SniperWolf22
• Whats the eco print of making guns? : ant_hillbilly
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  Don't raise your pets on crappy pet food? Animals ate lots of different shit before they invented pet ... : old and busted vs the new hotness
  • AND FEED 'EM A LITTLE CHOCOLATE. THAT'LL MAN 'EM UP. : yacoub35
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  We should carry out a study that studies the environmental impact of studies conducted on environmental i... : cetra00
  • haha exactly. "The couple have assessed the carbon emissions they created by working on their shockin : Cubictoast
• You know what would be a bigger help? Stop having kids! : Godhatesfatpeople
• Kill rover? : Lightzout
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  People should stop having children too, I hear humans have a pretty big carbon footprint. : spectr3
  • I'm detecting sarcasm. but this is actually true : nrgXs
• i think its time to just obliterate all living animal species. : theWhite
• First they ruin nuclear energy for us and now they take away mans best friend... I'm gonna go home and id... : Cubictoast
• And don't forget that people should just stop breeding in general. : Dobbs
• Thats cool with me because modern large cars are actually incredibly clean. : not work safe
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  So reading this, they only factored in the ongoing "energy" costs of the dog vs the SUV. What about the : riptyde
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    The carbon footprint of creating a dog is basically zero. No it's not, because you have to factor in t... : ArcKnight
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      Oh ya!!! well what about all the humans needed to build all the mining machines needed to extract the ore... : Cubictoast
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        That thing isn't used to make cars. It's used to kill God. : Vantage
        • ...which makes its carbon footprint worth it, whatever it is. : ArcKnight
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  Even if this were accepted as common knowledge, what would it do? It wouldn't change anything. No one i... : Moonbase Commander
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    while it's true no one will give up dogs, i see no reason why a government wouldn't tax pets : lja83
    • Somehow, I don't see a politician creating this initiative. : Moonbase Commander
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    I think the point is to make people re-think their lives and accurately asses the impact they have on the : IHATEDUST
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      That seems like an obvious concept and such groups have made that point clear to us before. I don't see ... : Moonbase Commander
      • Cause people love their dogs and its good shock value to make them see that even beloved Fido has an impa : IHATEDUST
• if the dog is eating beef, sure. but it can eat something less environmentally expensive to produce. sa... : radula
• I have always found it interesting that this whole going green theme requires you to purchase new eco-fri... : shortbuscaptain
• Kill the hippies. Problem solved. : capt tripps
• I wonder if they take in to account that most of the meat used in pet food is non-food grade by-products ... : Perturbation
• My dog eats less than I do, by that same token we should just kill everyone on earth and then we'll surel... : locater16
• I bet they priced it as if cows were bred specifically to have all the good meat thrown out and the carti... : 60days

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• I was lead to believe there would be complimentary cake and pie? : Dave-A
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  If you haven't posted more than like 100 comments in the past 6 months you can't play. : trOmblyj
  • ^^^^^^ : Omaha
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    I've sent every year for the past 4 years :( I've had two 1000/year poster guys screw me over. : rotten element
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      Yeah that won't help... Regular posters are not sending. : Wheatloaf
      • Not fun for lurkers :( : Relentles$
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  If you are a mercury subscriber you get paired with one. The last few years I have sent stuff but haven't... : quazar
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    That's a bullshit quantifier. : laurgasms
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      I hope you and I get paired. I have all kinds of fun stuff to send you. : ateam311
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        I'd send you a box. Just a box. : laurgasms
        • You two should just fuck and get rid of all this tension. : trOmblyj
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          laurgasms, I want your box. >:D : Maddog_Delphi97
          • haha, straight and to the point MD. : ant_hillbilly
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            You got it last year, greedy. : laurgasms
            • :D : Maddog_Delphi97
  • you have the same chance of getting paired with a lurker/dud no matter if they have mercury : maulla
  • last year i got paired with a perma-banned shacker! :( : Shadowdane
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  suggestions: We were discussing earlier making a way to socially remind white fail whales who don't se... : kaddar0
  • the idea is to put next to your lightning bolt an award for each successful white elephant, and a red X f... : kaddar0
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    Doesn't work for people who shack script-free : RikiTiki2
    • those people don't matter. : StolenNosferatu
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    I wrote it: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/59678 It doesn't work quite right: will often disappea : c0bra
    • I'll have a look of it once I get my windows 7 machine up : kaddar0
• I liked how it was done last year, however the brackets went or whatever. : laurgasms
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  I think everyone should get into the mindset that it's giving, and not receiving, that's the fun part. Ot... : Dave-A
  • I think they're both part of the fun. I love collecting random shit throughout the year to send, but it's... : laurgasms
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    Seeing the person's reaction to the White Elephant is a huge part of the fun for me. : helvetica
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      This is my favorite bit. I don't care that much about receiving stuff nearly as much as I do about there... : jasonepowell
      • Ding ding. Or at least an acknowledgement. But I've gotten that every year so it's all good. : Deathlove
  • This. I had a fun time putting together last years, even though I never got one. : Conan
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  Canada and the US could be split so people don't have to unexpectedly deal with customs. : helvetica
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    I like getting weird stuff from Canada's skirt :( : Dave-A
    • I have an awesome umbrella hat from a Canadian! I did see some people saying that they didn't want to sen... : helvetica
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    Yeah, ship to US / Canada / Europe / Dragon-land only will be in place this year : sikander
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      oh :( but I totally understand that : Nitrium
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        Optional.. not mandatory. A bunch of ppl didn't like shipping across borders : sikander
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          cool, thanks - any possibility of improving the algorithm that selects the recipients? because last year ... : Nitrium
          • Check your shackmessages regarding this please...thanks : SKI242
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    If I remember correctly, Kaboomz put his name on the outside of a package and had to retry that level any... : davantalus
    • Haha, I remember that! One of highlights of last year's WE. : helvetica
    • haha i remember that : jonin
    • That was really stupid on his part though. : TwiLyght
    • I vaguely remember this. Anyone have a link? I'm on my phone. : FrayLo
    • haha ya, that was rather amusing : breadsticks
    • Oh lol. that's priceless : MercFox1
  • Shipping with Canada Post/USPS usually helps avoid customs : AlexXdude
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  more white, less elephant : askedrelic
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    Racist. : Salad Sammich
    • To any elephants around: fuck you. : askedrelic
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  I think you should try a shorter sign-up period. I think maybe more lurkers and people who will be less e... : laurgasms
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    Every year we try to figure out the indicators that cause white elephants to be sent out. I think he sho... : kaddar0
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      ieGod made pretty charts using the WE data and found out that there isn't any specific qualifier that mak... : sikander
      • Well in that case I think you should try a shorter sign-up period so we can get our matches sooner BECAUS... : laurgasms
• Not signing up this year. sorry but I'm tired of getting paired up with no-shows and mutes : MrLobo
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  Was there ever a consensus about banning deadbeats? : jasonepowell
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    man, I should refresh more! : jasonepowell
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      but seriously, are previous deadbeats getting banned this year or what? : jasonepowell
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        Yes : sikander
        • Excellent! Can't wait. Already got a nice box of stuff going. : jasonepowell
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    does that include people receiving (confirmed) but never posting about it? because that sucks the most : moshman
    • ^iawtp Not posting about all the cool shit I sent sucks. : ant321
    • :( I haven't posted pics yet. Sorry magicwishmonkey. Also, I didn't for MurrayTheSkull, either. In : Rice-Rocketeer
• hay guys can i play?? : foo
• All I need is a box, and mine is ready to go. : theangrywaffles
• If you didn't send your fucking WE last year, don't participate. : Rice-Rocketeer
• I don't know if it can be helped, but I am strapped for cash this year (going back to school and all) so ... : Demius
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  First timers only get paired with first timers (if that's possible) : industro
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    First timers are no more or less likely to fail out. ieGod proved pretty conclusively that there's no one... : tashtego
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      Is this the thread where we call people out? mwasher, you son of a bitch! : Rice-Rocketeer
      • seriously fuck you mwasher! also I am glad I sent my package like six months late because I am technic... : Majuju
      • I still have your package. Maybe you will get 2 this Christmas? (I am not signing up btw.) : mwasher
    • Yeah but we should do this data analysis again this year, we might have banned all the bad second timers ... : kaddar0
    • I said so last year, but it should be Senders paired with Senders, all others go together. : MrLobo
• I sent out my package last year. But got it returned to me unopened :( Either the guy didn't pick it up o... : ysbreker
• Don't sign up if you can't handle disappointment from people be lazy. : boomstickah
• i have SO MUCH TO GIVE. : re-verse
• FIFA10 is far superior. : moe6
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  It's been 2 years since I participated. I'm excited to again :D : sparkly
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    Me too. I have two different packages ready to go out depending on who i get. : roushimsx
    • I dont have anything organized yet...but I will start thinking about it :D : sparkly
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  Anyone that claims to currently not having money for postage should not be allowed to sign up. I remember... : DrZettl
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    Signup page should have a checkbox that says "Do you have $10-$20 to cover shipping?" Can't sign up if y... : Zakko
    • I would say more than that. Up to $40. It cost me over $30 to ship to Canada last year. : ant_hillbilly
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      I'm planning on a 15-page confirmation process where each shacker will have to type the word Yes to quest : sikander
      • lawl : glio1337
      • I am just going to paypal my white elephant 20 bucks. : kaddar0
      • Plus anyone who has posted about financial difficulties and drug problems or girlfriend issues should be ... : Dave-A
      • That's a handy link! I've put in all my credit cards and they luckily came up clean. Didn't think anythin... : helvetica
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      thats the thing, I have the $10 to $20, but if i have to budget $50 to go out of US, then i'm out... last... : Demius
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        Then you elect for US only, or send less crap. : DrZettl
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          okay maybe you didn't fully read my post... i did elect US only last time : Demius
          • Then you elect for US only, or send less crap. : DrZettl
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            okay maybe you didn't fully understand the options.. there was no "elect US only" : sikander
            • okay forget it... im not complaining about last year, im saying what will happen to me this year (as in i... : Demius
            • You sure? I swear I remember there being a "I don't want to send outside my country" button. : Vincent Grayson
  • I sent my first one last year and had to pay 60$ in shipping. I hate shipping :( : breadsticks
• Bah, no participation for me this year, I will be in Afganistan : glio1337
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  Can I just be a giver? I have tons of crap, I don't need anymore :( : nyranger66
  • i can SM you my address.. : g0nk
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    Guess that wasn't the case two years ago heh ? http://sikander.org/etc/shack/shackapp/we2007/particip... : MrLobo
    • AWW SNAP : Slowtreme
    • busted. : ant_hillbilly
    • hahaha nyranger loves to give : askedrelic
    • lol Steve didn't send : GloriousCow
    • Pwned. : nyranger66
• Gather everyone's console/system info, and maybe as a giver, be able to select a certain demographic? : DooBall
• just go, baby! people are gonna get screwed no matter what you do, and that sucks. Why impose a bunch of ... : Juno
• If Australians or anyone asked to get paired with people overseas it happens : shavenewok
• I notice on the WE2008 page, my row doesn't show sent (I sent it rather late, so I may not have been able... : Nali4Freedom
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  all my stuff got destroyed in the hurricane last year :( : anhero
  • Send pieces of the debris from the hurricane! : Nali4Freedom
• Sweet! I look forward to participating again this year. : bigblack
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  I am excited to participate this year again. I think I have found a way to ship baked goodies without th... : Galadriel07
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    Can you share your shipping method for baked goods? I'm all curious! : helvetica
    • Well, I sent some cookies to Felicia and she said they got there safely. I basically packed them tightly... : Galadriel07
• Maybe a metrosexual grooming theme? : Lightzout
• edible elephants?? : Relentles$
• i'll only do it if i get to give something to edlin . : CoRDS

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• they should have done this sooner. i probably never would have bought a PS3 if they had announced this a ... : dirge23
• ahahahahaha - about fucking time... but I want to get god of war 3... : dedgecko
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  Too bad at this point - knowing MS - it will cost more than most standalone players - and the prices on t... : f4lln
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    why do you say that? The HD-DVD drive was already almost cheaper than what standalone Blu Ray drives are... : Halen
    • But that was largely due to the fact that Microsoft was trying to push for the HD-DVD format so they were... : OverloadUT
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  It's not going to support games, and standalone players are so cheap now that really, what's the point? U... : jason bergman
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    I don't have room for another player so this would be ideal for me. : Bull
    • Same here. My 360 has become an integral part of my home theater setup, and I don't really want to find r... : slickdoody
    • this will be an addon piece? : brainchild420
  • Well consider this: I don't own a 360 or a PS3. I own a Wii and that's it. I haven't wanted to own ... : Schnapple
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  I wonder how it'll be priced too high. : ThomW
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    Probably more than the PS3 which would be the nail in the coffin. : GodZilly
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      No way. I'd guess 150. : EvilDolemite
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        199 USD : cerealSAM2
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          too high (but knowing microsoft's 360 peripheral strategies, it might be this). you can get a good sony, ... : EvilDolemite
          • this are the same people that charge $150 for a 120gb hard drive. : brainchild420
        • That's my guess. : ThomW
        • I think that's a good guess. I'd pay $100 more for the PS3 any day. : DinK
        • I doubt it, that's what I paid for my HD-DVD drive two years ago. : Halen
        • Yep. Take what would be considered a good price and multiply it times 4. $50 and they'd sell a gazillio... : mrwolf710
• No thanks. No need to have external, internal or GTFO. : posito
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  too late now i bought a panasonic player that takes 3x longer to start up than my xbox and xbox live :( : dantastic
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    hah, that bites : dirge23
    • it was the shack recommended player too... SHACK HYPE. well anyways when it finally loads the picture is... : dantastic
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    Get a PS3 and toss the BR player at your cats. : Head Rush
    • i never shy away from tossing things at jen's cats but i'm not buying a PS3 : dantastic
  • Sounds like my upscaling DVD player. The worst thing is that it doesn't have separate remote codes for o... : ThomW
• Too little, too late. I'd rather have a standalone unit at this point (outside of my PS3) knowing Microso... : theangrywaffles
• Yeah they really pulled a sony here....way too late. : JohnnyRey
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  At this point I'll probably just buy a PS3 instead of an overpriced accessory. : hoov1185
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    Yep. A little extra money to get access to PS3 exclusives seems quite worth it nowadays. : DinK
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      Yeah. $120 - $150 extra for the ability to play GoW3, MLB The Show, etc. Plus it sounds like the PS3 is t... : Jumperus
      • Definitely not the best BR player by any stretch. : Sgt_Boomstick
• It would have to be really cheap to make sense this late. If it's $150 or $200 I'd gladly pay a bit extr... : DinK
• I don't get the hate. The entry point for 360 is still lower than the PS3, I might actually consider buy... : boarder2
• Ballmer really needs to STFU. I really think he has no clue what is happening in the entertainment group. : Fred Garvin
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  I think if they did it - and it didn't suck - I might sell the PS3 and get that instead. All I really use... : Dave-A
  • Or maybe put the PS3 upstairs or something : Dave-A
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  heh... (1) they should offer to replace any customer who owns a 360 HD-DVD player with the new BR Driv... : dedgecko
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    a trade-in program offering a discount would be good PR : EvilDolemite
    • Yea, this whole thing would be to continue to generate additional brand loyalty, something that any elect... : dedgecko
  • Completely agree with both these points. I'd trade in my HD-DVD drive even if just to give the blu-ray d... : DinK
  • Also, it should play HDDVDs : / : topkatz
• Dumb. : heartsauce
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  The Gizmodo source story says they're not sure how to interpret the comment and it may not mean a drive i... : veras
  • http://gizmodo.com/5387238/ballmer-talks-natal-says-blu+ray-add+on-for-xbox-coming?skyline=true&s=x : veras
• I wonder if its even worth it at this point. If they had this out before the slim, i think it would have... : Turd Ferguson
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  Loudest Blu-Ray player ever. I would Microsoft to make my 360 more quiet, or at least trade for one the c... : TrptJim
  • would pay* : TrptJim
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    I got rid of my 20 gig pro and got one of the new jasper elites. The old one was the loadest thing ever -... : re-verse
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      Hehehe. Now, I'm a big MS fan... but of course it would be the only console you have to upgrade :) : LoioshDwaggie
      • Maybe - when I got my first one i couldn't imagine needed more than 20gb hard drive space on a console - ... : re-verse
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      With a capital s? Wow, must be really quiet! : ieatpubes
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        It actually sucks noise out of the room. : re-verse
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          Also, I named it "Silent". : re-verse
          • Is it's last name Wolf? : Grimmadog
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    The 360 is only loud when accessing the disk drive, which it would not be doing while using this accessor... : OverloadUT
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      yah i can't hear my Elite when its not spinning the DVD drive : Shadowdane
      • I have a falcon elite, and the fans are definitely noticeable even when my DVD drive isn't spinning. It's... : qwpeoriu
    • Unfortunately I'm talking about the fans. 360s don't all use the same brand of fan and some are much loud... : TrptJim
• bad move. 360 + BR drive = higher price than PS3. they should just wait for the next generation console... : dignan
• I guess I'm glad they waited because then I'd never play Uncharted 2 : bozer
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  I would think $100 dollars would be fine if it's just the drive. Decent standalone drives on newegg hove... : h o s t i l e
  • actually its more like 100-170. : h o s t i l e
• If they really want to give Sony a big FFFUUUU they should price this thing at $79 : quazar
• makes no sense, i don't believe it : qwpeoriu
• FYI Costco has a bluray player for 89.99/ It is a Sharp Aquos Bluray player and my roommates love it.... : sheepraper
• Ballmer's comment doesn't really seem to indicate that it will be on the 360 to me.. He just says "Availa... : Entity
• sounds fine to me, options are options. : Downforce
• Nice - I've just about replaced my HD-DVD collection with Blu-Ray versions (Thank you Warner Brothers for... : Jonathan
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  MS, please be making us 360-compat enclosures that we can drop any HD into. I don't care if you have to l... : Masem
  • No matter the price point, a 360 with the BD add on would be a higher price than the PS3 and Sony would h... : manlyman
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    Will never happen, look at all the non-chipped piracy on the PS3, it's becoming another PSP. : Lunatic Angelic
    • really? I haven't followed any of that stuff. but is that a big problem with that system? : hamachi
• Interesting indeed. Glad I have my PS3 though, I have to say if I didn't and this was coming out I would... : Begawkiness

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  hmm, that's some very nice photoshop work, whoever did it. : DooBall
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    No it isn't. If it was good, you wouldn't know it was there. : SiW.
    • I would never believe this photo, if it were real, anyway. A walking living turtle burger is an outrageo... : DooBall
    • It is amazing work. The only reason you know it's photoshop is because it is physically impossible. : ventro
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      lol what : Godhatesfatpeople
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        there are in fact, living, breating burtles out in the wild. : edgewise
        • D: : Godhatesfatpeople
  • Not even close. The quickest way to tell is that it's a half turtle/half hamburger. The second quickest w... : Rooster Cockburn
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    It's really not. He didn't make any attempt to fix lighting anomalies. I think he just picked two photos ... : retarded talking dinosaur
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      God, you guys are such pro's. : Godhatesfatpeople
      • Nah, the pros are terrible: http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/ Honestly, my post was rather tongu... : SiW.
• Hahaha, awww. : MeestaNob
• it looks so delicious... yet so dangerous to my dental health. : datoo
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  sorry, I only eat fast food :[ : drucifer
  • its hurts. : ant_hillbilly
  • you win this thread : re4ctor
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    just hit it out of the park. : old and busted vs the new hotness
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      this is the worst username : manero
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        no it's not : this is the worst username : fsck
        • tru dat : manero
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    It's like you photoshopped that just for the chance of posting this. : pyide
    • I think they're working together. : Haku-Jin
  • smear some frosting on that rabbit! : edgewise
  • This is FANTASTIC. : thetangent
  • Nice work drucifer : pun][sher
  • oof : das_runt
  • bravo : handofthrawn
  • He shoots, he scores! : Karnov
  • *slow clap* : stelth
  • haha : sanchez
  • lolz : burningpantsman
  • YESSSSSS! : yosemiteclimber
  • Damn nice : Cashh
  • Hahaha :) : sikander
  • took me a minute. lol. : Cihte
  • this is epic : Downforce
  • Shoots....he scores! : IHATEDUST
  • meh, not your best : Rigor Morts
  • lol clever : prime8
  • I missed you so. : rudds
  • god damn a customer came in as I was reading this and instead of asking how can I help you I said "How ca... : freakynipples69
  • i lol'd then i cried : Barnahog
  • hahahahahah : Old_Fart
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  White people : dognose
  • sniff j00 : CoRDS
• I would make that my wallpaper, but it's kind of disturbing. 0_o : cerealSAM2
• WIZARD NEEDS FOOD, SLOWLY : Home Nugget

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  g0nk, do you have me on your friends list on live? add me! : mwasher
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    not sure, is it "mwasher" ? if i'm not on yours, add me too, "g0nk" :) : g0nk
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      fuck you all... I'm about to be out $60, off to Best Buy I go! : Shadowdane
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        Purchased :) : Shadowdane
        • Lol! Awesome! : g0nk
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          woot! and yes, mwasher is my gamertag : mwasher
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            Sweet. I'll be on later tonight. Fixin diner and stuff. : g0nk
            • I won't even be home for another 3 hours *cry* : mwasher
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              Yah I'm going to pick up Chipotle on the way home : Shadowdane
              • FREE BIRDS! : mwasher
              • Make sure you get some ChipotlAway too! : raeven
              • I hate that Chipotle... Heh : g0nk
        • My copy should finally come from gamefly today! : phokz
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  fuckin balls! I wanna play this and waiting till Monday is getting harder. Should I just get the 360 vers... : whistletits
  • 360. play with people. : saunders45
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    wait for pc, there are plenty of us in the steam group to play co-op with. : mrasparagus
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      I know and I'm in the group. : whistletits
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        while we're on the topic could the Sled and I get an invite to the borderlands steam group? http://ste... : Drakoniac
        • Invited. : Nitrium
    • theres a steam group? I want in! http://steamcommunity.com/id/lonepie : lonepie
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  Dude you will have a large throbbing boner at level 5. : Lightzout
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    Lvl 3 currently. Also, Scags or whatever they are called, are annoying, but aren't all generic game creat... : g0nk
    • Get used to them, they get very big and very mean and very tough. Standing up on a cliff looking down ... : mwasher
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  the eb games guy said for me to wait for the pc version cause it's faster...movement on the 360 is slower : whistletits
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    while this may or may not be true, never EVER trust what the EB Games guy tells you. : Degenerate
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      I had a moment of weakness and almost caved in for a console fps : whistletits
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        as far as console fps's go, this one controls fantastically. but i've spent a lot of time with games lik... : mwasher
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          I'd say it's very Halo-ish. Simple to get the hang of. : g0nk
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            well cod4 is what i connect with the "click left stick in to run" and "click right stick in to melee" con... : mwasher
            • Ahh never played COD4, so i'm not familiar. : g0nk
            • This is what the controls are for Borderlands. : K0LM
            • Uggggh I hate clicking the thumbsticks to do anything that I would ever want to do while running : OverloadUT
          • I wish they had copied the vehicle controls. : DarkWolf5
        • Very tempting to just go out and get it for xbox. : whistletits
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  Add me!!! : multisync
  • Will do! : g0nk
• PC IS PRELOADING. consoles more like LOLSOLES : Downforce
• I added several people on live today.... my tag is nZeeR in case anyone wonders who the fuck that is.. : rmjackson
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  So it's like Fallout by actiony? How much like Hellgate London is it? I didn't feel like the weapons fe... : Wheatloaf
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    it's not like fallout at all. It is very much "get quest to kill x or fetch y, go do it, return" a... : mwasher
    • it is a game that much be experienced to find the addictive qualities is possesses : mwasher
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      To me it feels like an action Fallout3. I dunno, I'm just at the beginning though. : g0nk
      • I just bit Level 7 and I'm do e for tonight, damn work in the morning. : Shadowdane
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  still waiting for the stores here to get their second shipments >:( should have it tomorow Feel free t... : theWhite
  • Wait until sunday for best buy's buy 2 get 1 free sale. : Prozium

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  lack of whiney 12-year-old gamers with admin ability + dedicated servers? does not compute. their m... : brainchild420
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    what? i didn't link those two together. : yacoub35
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      i don't think the whiney 12 year olds have much difficulty paying for hosted servers. have you ever playe... : brainchild420
      • not since ~2001, no. back then such things weren't as much of a problem. these days any game's mp starts ... : yacoub35
      • admin takes care of those whiney bitches. : razlebol
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  Their ulterior motive is to completely control the experience console-style, so Activision can bring in c... : Link.
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    The only real upside to any of this is that people on the PC won't be able to hack their shit and get all... : pyide
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      I'll take a normal PC experience with a standard UI, dedicated servers, mods/custom maps, none of this us... : Link.
      • unfortunately you'll never see that again. the only reason i can see behind this is that they built one m... : brainchild420
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    I still don't understand how this would provide any kind of push towards DLC. Only allow matchmaking on n... : crummynz
    • By locking it down as they have, those people who want new content will have to pay for it for the offici... : pyide
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  I can't imagine the game will be nothing but listen servers. People are complaining because there's no wa... : Zek
  • Yeah, this still hasn't been confirmed, right? I can't imagine it'd be all peer-to-peer like on consoles,... : crummynz
  • DING DING DING. : Sgt_Boomstick
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  People with extreme views who are extremely loud about them manage to delude themselves into thinking eve : derelict515
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    ah so that's how they came to decide to do this, then. : yacoub35
    • Zing. : Link.
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    Tell me how a lack of dedicated servers, mods, custom maps, a standard PC UI similar to CoD4's, and all t... : Link.
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      extreme, see also: fringe, minority, uncommon. Your beliefs are not the norm but you think they are. It's... : derelict515
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        Alrighty then, mister Xbox man. : fffortune
        • Remember that deluding part? The only games I've played in the past week are DoW2 and The Witcher on t... : derelict515
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        Minority and uncommon? If there is a minority here, it's the people like yourself who don't seem to care... : razlebol
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          I hope you realize how perfectly that fits the rationale of the quote I posted. IW has outright said that... : derelict515
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            I still think the majority prefer dedicated servers instead of hosted servers just by looking at the comm... : razlebol
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              The comments here are not a representative sample at all. There's like a couple thousand regulars here an... : derelict515
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                No just here but any gaming sites. Sure, there is still a large number that don't frequent gaming sites b... : razlebol
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                  A subset of forum goers (which automaticaly makes them hardcore) on the platform that sells the least cop... : derelict515
                  • Of course they expected it. I still think it's a shitty decision even if it's best for them. I just hope ... : razlebol
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        yeah because, you know, mods like Garry's Mod doesn't make hundreds of thousands of dollars...noooo we a... : deathofrats
        • So what were some of these extremely profitable CoD4 mods that IW won't be allowing now? Garry's Mod is a... : derelict515
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      Dedicated servers were more of an issue when everyone was still on dial-up. You didn't want one of the r... : walker270
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        P2P can actually be an improvement in many ways. Instead of sending data first to a server, and then back... : uncleanmonkey
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          This isn't a peer to peer game from what I understand. Which is why "host migration" which was missing fr... : pyide
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            I think pretty much all Xbox Live games are P2P, no reason why COD would be different. Yeah there's a "... : uncleanmonkey
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              Unless they have reimplented the networking in their hacked up quake engine then this isn't p2p. : dafugg
              • according to a post below they absolutely reworked it which is pretty expected with such a vast networkin... : derelict515
            • That's what I thought too but apparently that's not the case with most games. Or people who don't know an... : pyide
        • You should read up on Bungie's discussion about the incredible low quality of the majority of connections... : LoioshDwaggie
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    You don't have to agree, but it isn't like this is much ado about nothing. There are many legitimate comp... : wasylm
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      ... from the pirates. : -=kodiak=-
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        Everyone who likes PC multiplayer shooters is a pirate now? : pyide
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          did i say everyone? no. : -=kodiak=-
          • Most of the people I've seen complaining are not pirates and people I play with in PC games online. Snark... : pyide
        • not everyone, but I can understand the developers trying to figure out a way to try to curb piracy. Say ... : FormerHPB
      • wut : atom519
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      I never said they weren't legitimate. I said they're not issues for the vast majority but a bunch of the ... : derelict515
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        It fucks Aussie players right in the colon. : dafugg
        • why exactly? You can't choose a dedicated server hosted in Australia now. But why can't you get automatch... : derelict515
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    Does this apply to people who are extremely loud about shitting on the PC platform? : tree8
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      Or only when you want it to? : tree8
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        You can read the study that quote is from yourself. It was posted here this morning. I don't hate the PC,... : derelict515
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          Nothing anyone here is requesting "extreme, see also: fringe, minority, uncommon" It's all absolutely s... : tree8
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            What bias does he have? : walker270
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              see link : tree8
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                Okay. The link showed he talks about PC and consoles a lot, but didn't show any particular bias one way ... : walker270
                • On any page 8 out of 10 posts are console friendly or pc crapping. : tree8
          • I bet if I search your post history for the same terms you'll get a lot of results, omg bias! I talk abou... : derelict515
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          No, you just like to sit on some weird high horse defending game developers at every turn. You were on o... : AndyGoin
          • hah, seriously? My fault for engaging the troll anyway. : tree8
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            2 terrible posts in a row doing nothing but insulting me rather than trying to contribute anything to the... : derelict515
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              Insulting you.. Yes, that's funny. I'm tired of you on your high horse looking down on people that disag... : AndyGoin
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                And which part of me saying you're on a high horse is insulting, please? I'd love to hear this and your ... : AndyGoin
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                  wait renting games is a crime now? : FrayLo
                  • Not at all, but if you're going to insult others for buying used games as it hurts the industry, you migh... : AndyGoin
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                  I buy and rent games yes. I bought Fallout 3 and Madden 10 while I could've gamefly'd them because I thou... : derelict515
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                    Madden devs need support? : atom519
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                      I bought every Madden from 96 to 2003 (on PC and then Xbox 1). I stopped when I felt they stopped innovat... : derelict515
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                        Interesting, although I feel that their sales for each yearly title is more than enough to keep their poc... : atom519
                        • No they're not starving. I don't feel I owe them someone, but I want to encourage this behavior. If they ... : derelict515
              • Well said. : yacoub35
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                Exactly, I have nothing to gain from this change. I've happily used server browsers in PC shooters for de... : derelict515
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                  You aren't explaining anything we don't already know though. The whole debate came up because the people ... : pyide
                  • In these threads the last few days multiple people have argued that only morons couldn't use a server bro... : derelict515
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  You guys act like matchmaking is a brand new technology that is bound to fail. : maulla
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    I can't remember ever having a good matchmaking experience. DoW2 is the best probably, and it isn't grea... : tree8
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      Console games have been using matchmaking for years, and the system works incredibly well. This is not ab... : maulla
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        I really don't think this is about the inclusion of matchmaking; it's more about the eradication of dedic... : azshack
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          Probably because the added expense of supporting dedicated servers is more than the potential lost sales ... : walker270
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            Where's the added expense? They already support dedicated servers in the code from MW1. : azshack
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              Is ModWar2 the exact same game as ModWar1, except some maps? Otherwise, there will be an added expense i... : walker270
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                Reading up on the multiplayer enhancements for ModWar 2, it sounds like much of the underlying network co... : walker270
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                  No. They've been doing dedicated servers for years, they, like any other PC developer, knows how do it ef... : Wisp!
                  • You misunderstood his point. IW decided IWnet was a prudent investment for a number of reasons, knowing... : derelict515
      • Maybe in an alternate reality. Every 360 game with matchmaking that I have played, has been plagued with ... : Toth21
    • DoW2 matchmaking is crap. It pairs you up with players three times your skill level and is slow as shit. : Wisp!
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    I don't care about including matchmaking. Maybe it'll be great if I want to jump online and play with tot... : azshack
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      that last sentence is entirely untrue : FrayLo
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        It is entirely true if, like me, he doesn't like adding random people to a friends list in some game. Tha... : LoioshDwaggie
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          so there is a way to do it, but you just refuse to acknowledge it : FrayLo
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            I acknowledge that it's a huge step backwards from the system that has been working well for every PC FPS... : azshack
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              isn't that the point, you'd have a list of friends...so now you don't have to worry about the server part... : FrayLo
              • I think a lot of us hate having to wii-style re-add a bunch of friends we already have on other systems (... : LoioshDwaggie
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                Why would I not have to worry about the server? With a dedicated server, I can see my ping, and often see... : azshack
                • I don't see anyone being enthusiastically for it so much as they don't particularly care -- it's not a de... : walker270
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                There are many people I enjoy playing games with who i don't want as friends. I don't even like some of ... : Boxelder
                • 99% of people on my friends are not real life friends. They are shackers. I don't even like some of them ... : FrayLo
        • And the dev said that steam is integrated. there arent enough details about how it will work, people just... : maulla
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        ^^^. party/lobby systems are the proof. Like I said, people are focusing on the "ZOMG NO DEDICATED SER... : maulla
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          We've had party systems before, again, L4D. We hate them. We hate them so much that Valve relented and ga... : LoioshDwaggie
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            To be fair, matchmaking in L4D wasn't a good implementation at all, and a first run at that from a PC cen... : pyide
            • Not a random team, no. It doesn't do team-matching. Of course, PSN has a similar problem in some games. L... : LoioshDwaggie
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            A friend of mine basically gave up on L4D a week or two after launch due to a combination of terrible mat... : atom519
            • This definitely happened to us. L4D's matchmaking was attrocious at launch. : Sgt_Boomstick
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    Matchmaking is fine, but you can still do both and offer a better experience than restricting it to only ... : pyide
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      Doing both means adding development time and money for a duplicate set of functionality that only a small... : derelict515
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        Yet Valve is capable of not only doing it, but reacted to their fan base and did it specifically for the ... : LoioshDwaggie
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          Valve is also still very PC-centric. Infinity Ward very much isn't. : walker270
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            You are so entirely wrong. I-Ward has always been a PC-focused developer. Treyarch is who you are thinkin... : LoioshDwaggie
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              Really? I thought CoD1, 2, and 4 were all on consoles as well, and also push the majority of their units... : walker270
              • Call of Duty was originally a PC only title. The team was founded by those who split from 2015 after MoH:... : pyide
              • I-Ward did CoD 1 and 2 on PC. They were ported by another developer. With CoD4 they were large enough to ... : LoioshDwaggie
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              I'm sorry, but there were several instances where CoD4 PC was developed for the 360 first - PC second, th... : dedgecko
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                Uh, the server browser was copied and pasted from CoD2. It doesn't reflect anything on the lead platform.... : Wisp!
                • Which shows that it was not a priority for the PC version, and thus it was poorly implemented. The lack ... : dedgecko
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        Just a month ago they were saying nothing would change from the multiplayer experience on PC in CoD4, and... : pyide
        • flip flopper! : FrayLo
        • Unless he was blatantly lying out of his ass, this whole fiasco is a last ditch effort and may very well ... : pyide
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        Not really, dedicated servers are already part of the codebase. : azshack
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          I don't think you understand the full extent of how software development works. Even if they didn't chang... : derelict515
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            "I don't think you understand the full extent of how software development works.: And you do? Ohh might... : AndyGoin
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              Well I do work as a software developer on large scale software for a living as does walker270 and we're b... : derelict515
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                Yeah... If I had to estimate, I'd say something like 80% of our total time on the software development : walker270
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                  sounds like you're on an awfully high horse there mister! : derelict515
                  • I know! I mean, fuck, it's almost like I believe there's some sort of "engineering" to creating "softwar... : walker270
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  the game is rated down to 1 1/2 stars on amazon.de. people are stupid asshats. and I'm sure they will sti : razorblade79
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    People are stupid asshats for expressing their opinions? : azshack
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      basically, yeah : razorblade79
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        to elaborate, the lack of dedicated servers probably means nothing to the general public and compromising... : razorblade79
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          also one of the complains is that the game requires steam : razorblade79
          • I NEED A PC TO RUN THIS?!?! : brainchild420
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      Has there been anything concrete from IW on this yet? People are insinuating all kinds of stuff, but is ... : FormerHPB
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        not besides the blog post they had yesterday or two days ago : FrayLo
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          Yes, they confirmed it and Shacknews posted info about it on the front page. : LoioshDwaggie
          • front page blocked at work, so I didn't see it. I'll have to look for it now. : FormerHPB
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  I honestly hope their motive is to have cross-platform matches. I would love to beat the crap out of the... : legato17
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    yes, we all want to deal with even more tween angst and "zomg u mouse hax fgt yuse a cntroller" : yacoub35
    • I bet PC players can mute others much quicker than them. :P : legato17
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    No, you see that would upset the majority of players on the console platforms and IW doesn't want to upse... : ghost in my shell
    • That's why they haven't said anything yet. :) I remember the Quake 3 days those, I went from a DC on di... : legato17
  • This will never happen. The consolers will never give the PC crowd the satisfaction of 0wning them in sn... : IHATEDUST
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    I don't think it's going to happen. Epic tried with UT3, but eventually gave up because they'd be prison... : the archvile
    • Why would most even want to while the input methods are different? I don't want to get destroyed by mouse... : derelict515
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  I honestly no longer care now that the entry point is no longer $60 thanks to Amazon's deal. Yes it's ... : dedgecko
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    so honestly i tried to convince myself of this but in the end i came back to my core issue, that i would ... : smacknca
    • I could care less what the MSRP is - I rarely purchase a game for the full asking price. Amazon has neve... : dedgecko
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  I didn't pick up COD4 until yesterday, but I did play in the multiplayer beta on X360 back before the gam... : evildanish
  • its a whole lot different on pc. on xbl its 12 or 18 players max while on pc most servers are 30+. : HisKillSkill
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  It pretty much scuks in every possible way yeah. no bright side. : Boxelder
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    People not being able to cheat their stats and gain 50 levels and unlock weapons and perks and streaks in... : pyide
    • Well they can still boost off dummy accounts and whatnot. I don;t even know all the ways to cheat but th... : Boxelder
• I am to the point where i don't give a fuck about this game anymore. I can't play on a shack server with ... : Dschinghis Khan
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  How does allowing dedicated servers prevent all of the other things they mentioned. I've been seeing all ... : yakz
  • It's to "better deliver content"* *not community content, that no longer exists. You're welcome! : Boxelder
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    Are you asking why not include both options? : derelict515
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      The why is a money-grab, that's totally obvious. My point was that their arguments are not even arguments... : yakz
      • ok, not much worth arguing with then : derelict515
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  I'm thinking this is probably just another step towards ensured built-in expiration for games. Publishers... : yacoub35
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    Didn't Quake 3 require connecting to a master server to verify the CD key? Without that they could've loc... : derelict515
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      I'm pretty sure they eventually patched that out. Can't remember clearly. : Boxelder
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        Right, that's what I thought but wasn't quite sure. So we have an example of a PC only game from 10 years... : derelict515
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          i'm sure there was a forum somewhere that people were complaining about it though :) : brainchild420
          • heh, I'm sure someone was : derelict515
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        Yeah, they patched it out ages ago. And if I remember right, if the game couldn't connect to the maste... : evildanish
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          I don't think that latter part was true at all. It wouldn't make much sense and I seem to recall friends ... : derelict515
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            Infinity Ward should talk to id. If playing online was hard for pirates in Q3 years after they removed au... : pyide
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              If the only reason for removing dedicated servers were piracy related perhaps. : derelict515
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                Some people around here seem to think that's the main reason. : pyide
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                  ok, so you believe matchmaking offers no other worthwhile advantages, IW is lying to us, and a developer ... : derelict515
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                    No. I was referring to the console-centric PC naysayers who say everyone pirates anything they can on the... : pyide
                    • ok, fair enough. I don't think they're doing this primarily for piracy reasons, or a least, I think the u... : derelict515
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            oh no wonder you don't care - you don't even buy the games! lol : yacoub35
            • another constructive post that ignores the reason I used Q3 as an example (whether I bought or owned it i... : derelict515
          • Well, I'm not certain about the fallback thing. What I AM certain of, however, is that there was a big... : evildanish
  • You've got it backwards: company-hosted dedicated servers are the path to obsolescence, while peer-to-pee... : rudds
• This is better than any political or religious thread. I'm really enjoying the complete lack of understa... : Cubictoast
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  The only REAL reason they did this was because it's a solid anti-piracy measure. Anything else they say i... : NeoMoose
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    Anti-piracy and DLC. Which are legitimate things. Sadly I think this is the route PC gaming has to go if ... : Dynotaku
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      Our days are numbered. :( : The Grolar Bear
      • Only if you say so. : Wisp!
    • No its an excellent way to kill PC gaming. PC gaming survives now because its attractive to a certain gro... : SpaecKow
  • There's hope, but at this point it seems to be confined to Brink and RAGE. Id Software actually cares ab... : the archvile
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  but you're at the mercy of whoever is hosting the game you join so basically that is dedicated servers a... : Downforce
  • Not so much. Dedicated servers have hardware and resources dedicated to hosting the game, hence the name.... : pyide

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• Put your faith in me. I won't steer you wrong. I also smell like fresh donuts. : silent prophet
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  co-op is fun but SPLITSCREEN is like 1,000x better. : multisync
  • I know what you mean. : Rotten Deadite
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    Uh, the messed up UI is horrible in split-screen. :( : jake
    • (Meant to be Ugh) : jake
  • IAWTP : Milleh
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  Is there going to be mod support for this game? : PointlesS76
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    i love it : multisync
    • Thanks, that was exactly what I was looking for! : PointlesS76
    • nice. : Fyunch Click
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  DIAF console Borderlander! I want the PC version now *cries* : Frozen Pixel
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    This game is definitely one that I am happy I chose console over PC. Plays and looks great. Xbox Live w... : mwasher
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      hi fucking five mwasher - <3 : multisync
      • I wanna get in on this action! : Clasifyd
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      sorry prefer the better PC version. : kainen1
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        Glad to know you've already tried all versions to know which is best : RikiTiki2
        • I haven't but someone I trust has : kainen1
  • It's ok, we can take comfort in the fact that we're not getting * M A I N S T R E A M ' D *. ;D : deject
  • Let's strip naked and cry in each other's arms until Monday. I'm here for you. : Ride-My-Rocket
  • You can start preloading the PC version on steam right now! yay \o/ : ysbreker
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  Just got my copy from gamefly today, looks cool so far. Anybody wants to play on xbox I'm m4sterofMurd3r ... : RetroRedEyeJr
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    i can't bring myself to add that gamertag : multisync
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      he plays L4D with us all the time (his GF plays, too!) : zerog83
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        you guys play XBOX L4D!? why wasn't i invited to this party. I played it online once with Raoul who was ... : multisync
        • I only play l4d on pc, sorry : RetroRedEyeJr
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          no, we play actual L4D : zerog83
          • :) : LoioshDwaggie
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          I've been playing L4D on 360 since release. Will be playing L4D2 on it as well. : Fyunch Click
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            Unlike Borderlands, I think a game like L4D (and TF2) are best played on the PC due to the faster paced n... : mwasher
            • Expert is tougher on the 360. Much tougher. I wonder if realism mode will even exist on the 360. : Fyunch Click
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  Its basically the most generic addictive game to be released this year. I can't stop playing it, yet t... : manlyman
  • Nice. I <3 addictive games. Haven't played a really addictive game in a while. : Sgt_Boomstick
  • You play because you want that 5% of non-sucky loot, and you'll be damned if someone else gets the Epic H... : riptyde
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    Yeah, it's simple but very fun. I think it manages to sidestep a lot of those issues you mention with it... : DinK
    • The AI is pretty damn bad tho, as a soldier if I set out my turret in a hallway, enemies will usually jus... : manlyman
  • Yeah, I hate a lot of things about the game. Pretty much everything you mentioned plus the obnoxious FOV ... : Vincent Grayson
• well the videos looked like boring crap. glad there was a sale here and the reviews were favourable othe... : dantastic
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  Yeah it probably won't last like 100 hours, but the awesome fun involved will make the game more than wor... : DinK
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    Easily see 30-40+ hours of good fun out of it if not more. Can't say that about most games. : mwasher
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      pretty much. That amount of high-quality, I'm-addicted-to-this-shit gameplay is something I only wish I ... : DinK
      • yea I have a 2nd character I'm dedicating for single player as well, heh : mwasher
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  ok we know it's good but is it $69.99 worth of good? muight pick it up now that stores have it back in st... : cptstern
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    i don't think i've ever played a game that was $70 worth of good maybe everquest, but that was more like... : brainchild420
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      Wow, you must not place a lot of value on entertainment. A good game with some length will entertain you... : DinK
      • yeah but, $70? to put this in context, i paid $45 for L4D, and got roughly 400 hours of fun out of it.... : brainchild420
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    I picked it up up for $40 on launch day at Wal-Mart in Canada. For that price its well worth it, I would... : manlyman
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      ya I thought it was worth $39.99 but am hesitant at $69.99. also because you bought your copy that meant ... : cptstern
      • The sale only goes on until the 25th, so hurry the fuck up and decide! : manlyman
  • If you pay 70 bucks for it, you are doing it wrong. There are enough sales out there for almost half the ... : Mad Brahmin Disease
• I usually put your posts through a cunt filter as I read them, just to bring the cuntishness down to OHSA... : Dave-A
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  does this game have a lot of blood? : baconisgod
  • lol : silent prophet
  • Heads asplode. : Clasifyd
  • You just need to type iambaconisgod in the ~console and blood is now shown as hot pink flower petals. : Frozen Pixel
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    massive amounts. and lots of gibs too. I was inside a warehouse last night on the bottom floor and th... : mwasher
    • Nothling like having the falcon destroy something and it takes 3 or 4 seconds for all of the pieces to fi... : jake
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    it really depends on how many dudes' heads you blow up : cpt_gloval
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      Fuck that noise. I have a 1.7 speed sniper rifle (really fast) that explodes entire bodies of level 5-8 ... : mwasher
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        my rifle will do the same, but there's something hilarious about a perfect headshot and the geyser of blo... : cpt_gloval
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          haha yea, the talking both from the player characters and the npc's can be humorour a lot of times. I al... : mwasher
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            so are you playing a hunter? if so, where are you putting your points? : cpt_gloval
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              This is where I'm going right now : http://talent.87bazillion.com/hunter.php?550050500000005005055 ... : mwasher
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                i'm most of the way into the gunslinger branch and i am learning how to time crits for each different ene... : cpt_gloval
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                  "time crits" ? : mwasher
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                    timing when to shoot and expect a crit. like hitting a skag, mouth agape. and i think the bruiser dudes t... : cpt_gloval
                    • ah, yea I knew about the mouth open thing as Marley and Moe (2 named Skags) are invincible anywhere but t... : mwasher
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  manateewasher, I could have told you it would be awesome. : deject
  • He was told. Several times. :D : silent prophet
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  i invited you last night but you ignored me. :( i want us to be the way we used to be! : cpt_gloval
  • Playing 2 man co-op with a buddy back in Tennessee so I don't want to get too far ahead of him. I may s... : mwasher
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  fuck people, stop hyping this game :( : aethyr
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    Wait till Modern Warfare 2 is out and I will probably never talk about it again. : mwasher
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      EXACTLY! If I just wait out until MW2, I know everyone is going to be playing that a fuck ton. : pun][sher
      • it's worth it for the 3 weeks of enjoyment i will get. and who knows, with how rare co-op shit is these ... : mwasher
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    Are people going to be playing this on the PC or will it be mostly 360 folk? I wouldn't mind something t... : aethyr
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      play on 360 - you know you want to : multisync
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        if I had a 360 it would be easier. I just overhauled my PC (processor/motherboard/RAM/video card), so I'... : aethyr
        • why do you fail at making simple life decisions :( : multisync
    • It's very enjoyable to lay back on the couch and shoot the shit with friends over live while blasting guy... : mwasher
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      PC. It's got better visuals, UI, precision aiming and is on Steam. Nothing better. : kainen1
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        Not to start a debate, but none of these items are big advantages over the 360 version with this particul... : mwasher
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          The aiming thing is HUGE if you're not used to FPS on consoles. : Geoffrois
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            That could be a hurdle, sure, but one that could be gotten over fairly quickly. This game, as I have men... : mwasher
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              Huh. I couldn't disagree more. Precision aiming is really fucking important. You don't have to get crits ... : Geoffrois
              • notice I said it's a hurdle? It's not a necessity right away, however, since a lot of the weapons, espe... : mwasher
    • don't listen to multisync, go PC : Nitrium
• Nice of you to drop in last night. That was fun. This "oh, shit, it's 1AM" thing has to stop though. If I... : Fyunch Click
• God damnit people I have to wait until Monday for this : Begawkiness
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  I've decided to go with the big punchy guy. Here's what I've come up with: http://talent.87bazillion.com : deject
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    I started punchy guy but there are some annoying things about it and now I am going tank/exploder. : Lightzout
    • I think I might want to switch from Punching/Rockets to Punching/Tank, but I'll wait until I can actually... : deject
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  I want to jump in and agree about being a total cunt regarding this game. Its under my skin and its all ... : Lightzout
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    I would like a sniper that shoots exploding bullets plz. :( : mwasher
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      This game really needs a screen grab feature. It would do a lot for PR. : Lightzout
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        Also, I think I bought that at the store as well as a 3 rocket 212 phase damage launcher. I also didnt ... : Lightzout
        • yea I didn't notice the "deal of the day" slots in the vending machine until about 5 hours in. neither d... : mwasher
• Damn it you all Are going to make me buy this game!! : Shadowdane
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  Is there any tactics to it or is it just point and click? : Boxelder
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    some basic stuff like grabbing the high ground, taking shit out from a distance, having teammates flank. ... : mwasher
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      (the tactics come from the tons of different varieties of weapons and how some are better suited for cert... : mwasher
      • Thanks for the info. I'll probably pick it up when I've exhausted this other level up game I'm playing s : Boxelder
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    Without using real tactics and going from covered positions to covered positions, sniping and moving or s... : Lightzout
    • Oh I didn't even think about how critical it is to use cover. Yea, you cannot do much running in guns b... : mwasher
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  is there a 360 borderlands friends list anywhere? Id like to add some friends who are playing coop. ... : Lawgiver
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    i have 4 available friends slots i've opened for borderlands people (mwasher) : mwasher
    • ooo ooo oo add me inc77 i have a lvl 18 soldier... so far : inc77
  • add me, ole gravy legs : pancake humper
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  Fuck you guys and hype!!! Is there matchmaking with the co-op on XBL? : pun][sher
  • yes : mwasher
• Pre-loading at 2.2mb/sec God damn this artificial PC delay. Fucking cocksticks. : Beady
• It's awesome and I've only played SP so far. : DarkWolf5
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  I've played for 17 hours so far and have a level 26 hunter. It's pretty awesome. I have the bloodwing max... : n0v4
  • Also I have a sniper rifle that shoots lightning, an SMG that sets people on fire and a combat rifle that... : n0v4

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  Between this and the fact they want to end non-microsoft usb flash memory support the money I have ear-ma... : Lightzout
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    unfortunately, you'll still lose. MS can do this because all the good content is being created for their ... : biskits
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      Halo, Gears, what else? Nearly everything else is cross platform. If we're talking exclusives I actually ... : Serpico74
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        xbox live alone CRUSHES PSN in ever way : NeoMoose
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          PSN has better exclusive DL games than XBLA : Cihte
          • I agree. For multiplayer parties, XBL, for games, PSN. : Serpico74
          • This. : razlebol
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          This. I can't think of another service I get nearly as much value out of for all of $5 a month. : riptyde
          • exactly. there are 2 services i think i really get my $ out of. Netflix and XBL. Sirius Radio comes close... : NeoMoose
    • I think this ended for Microsoft in 2008. : cetra00
  • You're getting the PS3 NQA Bundle? Ignore the haters, the National Quilting Association game is a lot mo... : Bold
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    Your loss. Xbox 360 has the best console online experience and most of the best games. : Link.
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      I already own one but one of the things I enjoy most about it is playing movies and tv off a usb. I gues... : Lightzout
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        They aren't making it so you can't fucking play a movie off a usb flash drive. They are making it so t... : sigpro
        • What's the largest size that Microsoft or an authorized third party offers? I'd get one if it was a gig o... : ruckboos
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      Most is a matter of opinion. The only reason I haven't bought a 360 is precisely because it doesn't have ... : Arceihn
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        I'd hate to see your list of PS3 must haves. : devi| dog
        • I doubt it would look any different than anyone else's. The 360 just doesn't have that many strong exclus... : Arceihn
  • Yea this is precisely why I avoided anything Sony. Proprietary hardware like MemoryStickDuo and all the o... : mega man
• I called it this morning. He DKWTF is happening in the entertainment group. : Fred Garvin
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  Not to trash whatever service they have planned, Netflix I assume, but I doubt it will be actually stream... : Wombat Woo
  • Time Warner and Comcast aren't going to make deals for things that compete with their video on demand ser... : Conan
  • Ars has impressions of the 1080p streaming in an article from earlier today or yesterday I think. : derelict515
• Thanks for getting my hopes up, Steve BAH-mer!! : Dave-A
• new! instant-on lighting! Now with IOL! : yacoub35
• Highest form of bitrate starved pixilation with stereo 128 kbps sound. : Jimbo Ro
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  Have fun getting the same bitrate of bluray to stream realtime on the internet on a 2mbt connection. Th... : Cubictoast
  • Yea I believe between audio and video my ps3 says it's using 30-40mbps when playing a bluray. I may be wr... : DogDharma
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  What about soundtrack? Watching a blu ray movie in 5.1 is like watching a dvd movie in stereo. : HisKillSkill
  • it's nowhere near that big of a difference. truehd vs 5.1 is not nearly a huge a degredation as most aud... : EvilDolemite
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    You need a better AV receiver + speakers if you think that 5.1 is inadequate for movies. : SigENeaT
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      you need better AV receiver + speaker if you think 7.1 dolbyHD / DTSMA dosent sound better than 5.1 dolby... : HisKillSkill
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        it does sound better. as much as the jump from stereo to 5.1? not in my opinion and not worth buying a w... : EvilDolemite
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          DD 5.1 on a DVD has a bitrate of like 400~ Kbps...per channel that bitrate is about on par with a 128 Kbp... : Jimbo Ro
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            some DVDs have DTS up to 1500 kbps I think : veras
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              plus bitrate does not equal better fidelity. dolbyhd is good because it's lossless : EvilDolemite
              • And typically has a bitrate of around 2-4 Mbps. : Jimbo Ro
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              The majority of DVD titles with DTS are ~1/2 that figure. Spec-wise it is possible, but it is cut so they... : DarkWolf5
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                I recall reading over at AVS about double-blind tests between HD audio and high-bitrate non-HD audio (I t... : Bold
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                  My personal experience says otherwise. Since many blu-rays default to standard dolby, I can tell when i... : DarkWolf5
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                    What's the bitrate of those DD tracks? (Notice I specifically mentioned "high-bitrate". The participants ... : Bold
                    • DD 5.1 on Bluray is like 640 Kbps. : Jimbo Ro
                • Yeah I remember reading that, too. I can totally tell a difference, however; I don't recall what they u... : Merconium
            • Only the blurays. DVD bitrate is half that. : Jimbo Ro
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  As long as you want to get super-assraped by the ridiculous rental price and terms, yeah, you can watch w... : yakz
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    Have you actually tried it? I have, and it fucking rocks. Going out and buying/renting a physical disk fe... : uncleanmonkey
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      i look forward to articles comparing the quality between the two from some high end AV forum nerds : grendel
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        i look at xbl hd rentals as more of a complement to blu ray. they are good quality, good enough where if... : EvilDolemite
        • I'm talking about the new Zune Marketplace thing. The quality is much better than XBL rentals, IMO. : uncleanmonkey
      • Anyone with two eyes and two ears will see and hear the difference. Night and day. : Jimbo Ro
      • There is a large difference but it rears it's ugly head in the form of motion compression. Watch some ho... : Cubictoast
      • I'm confident that the BD versions of modern movie releases will be better than the Silverlight delivered... : SigENeaT
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        Dithering, motion artifacts, compression artifacts in shadows and deep colors, these are all things that : Serpico74
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          Exactly. They can deliver 1080p in terms of the number of pixels--it's just that a bunch of those pixels ... : Merconium
          • Bluray is more like 8MBit/s with H.264 though right? And don't they do silly things like uncompressed aud... : uncleanmonkey
    • everything you said has nothing to do with my post : yakz
    • My only complaint is the lack of subtitles (at least when I rented No Country For Old Mumblers). : nudel
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      In most cases I will take high bitrate video from a Blu Ray over streaming 1080p. Streaming is very conve... : Serpico74
      • Pretty much this. If I'm in the mood to watch Dumb and Dumber, getting high bitrate 1080p and Dolby True... : bipolar
      • It's currently indistinguishable to me. I seriously doubt 99.9% of people will be able to tell any differ... : uncleanmonkey
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  I don't think it's dumb. DVD died in less than a decade, HD-DVD didn't even last two years, Blu-Ray isn't... : Deathlove
  • ^ two decades. Grr! : Deathlove
  • uh, DVD isn't dead : EvilDolemite
  • What? DVD isn't dead, and Blu-Ray has lasted more than two years. : walker270
  • Well, the last-mile network providers are lobbying for the right to rape your wallet. That might trip up ... : yakz
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    Given what's been going on with the service providers and the bandwidth required, I don't think you can r... : Conan
    • When Australia gets its FTTH network rolled out i will wave goodbye to physically delivered content Assu : SigENeaT
    • There are many tricky effects speaking in its favor. For example, people with slow broadband are less lik... : uncleanmonkey
  • DVD is far from dead, imo. In the grand scheme of things, not a very great percentage of Americans have ... : riptyde
• bluray is awesome and sweet : Downforce
• Would be stupid anyhow now that blu-ray players can be bought for much cheaper than they used to be. : razlebol
• Microsoft would be shooting themselves in the foot if they released a BR drive. It might actually help se... : Serpico74