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  What scripts are included? I'm looking for a way to dump firefox, I only keep it around for latest chatty... : mrasparagus
  • nm, they can be found here http://code.google.com/p/shackscripts/wiki/CurrentScripts : mrasparagus
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    Collapse Fixer Shack[lol] Comment Tags Post Preview Video Embedinator Message This User Category Ba... : ThomW
    • if someone can add the friend or foe script and a way for downthemall to work in chrome. i will switch. : CoRDS
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  I'm not quite sure how I go about installing this script on the Linux Dev build. I can get to chrome://ex... : dmason
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    Never mind. I didn't think I had to enable --enable-extensions anymore, but apparently I do. : dmason
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      That's weird. I'm not sure that that's required for the Windows build anymore (but it might be). : ThomW
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        Yeah, now I'm pretty sure it's starting Chrome up in incognito mode that was fucking it up. : dmason
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          Yes, right now we force-disable extensions in Incognito mode (there are really weird edge cases that will... : Zero|DPX
          • Thanks for the answer. You are awesome and your browser kicks all kinds of ass. :) : dmason
      • Thanks again, this it totally kick-ass of you. Also thanks for adding Sparkly comics. : dmason
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  i love you man : indosauros
  • I just picked that movie up today! Funny shit. : ThomW
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    i've got --enable-extensions set in my shortcut but it still says "extensions not enabled" when I try to ... : indosauros
    • though my install was borked before with extensions and they just stopped working, even after reinstallin... : indosauros
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      Are extensions still a dev build only thing? : ThomW
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        I was on it -- I even had it working for awhile, then one of the extensions got updated, I installed the ... : indosauros
        • try uninstalling then deleting any entries for "chrome" in the registry, I had to do this once to complet... : sanchez
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          Did you nuke the Chrome folders under Application Data? You should try uninstalling then make sure t : ThomW
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            woooooooo success I LOVE YOU AGAIN : indosauros
            • no homo : indosauros
      • Yeah you have to be on the dev build for extensions to work, channel changer link: http://chromium.google... : sanchez
      • Yes. Planned to be released as part of Chrome 4. : Zero|DPX
• I LOVE YOU. I. LOVE. YOUUUUUU : Albemuth
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  Thank you ThomW. Firefox has now been fully replaced by Chrome on my laptop. : StolenNosferatu
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    Ah. do i have to run the dev version? : StolenNosferatu
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      Yes, see my post above : sanchez
      • Yeah, i was reading through the "How to make extensions" thing that they put up, so i didn't see your pos... : StolenNosferatu
  • Tell Google to send me money. : ThomW
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  thanks for this, I really dropped the ball on this one :( : filthysock
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    omg, its full of colors : filthysock
    • hah, yeah. What the hell are all of these buttons for? Also I had a previous unpacked version of the C... : Agrona
• woohoo! Thank you! : sanchez
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  FUCK YES BACK TO CHROME. : DrWaffles
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    You are so quiet in real life. lol : ThomW
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      I fear the day I could drink alcohol legally. : DrWaffles
      • sup Raj? : zerog83
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  Thanks a ton! fyi, refreshing a thread removes the lol options from the root post. : Thomas Hace
  • Don't refresh threads. : ThomW
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  have they added focus on new tab yet? : freakord
  • On new tabs, yes. On middle-clicked links they don't gain focus over the current tab. : dmason
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  holy shit. i can now go back to chrome :O : Dave-A
  • t-wet you are a sexy beast! : Dave-A
• Yay! : ColoradoCNC
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  No matter what I do it says extensions are not enabled. Poo. : Rigg5
  • nm, reinstalled. works now :D : Rigg5
• YOUR THE BESTEST!!!! : inc77
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  Do these still require the dev channel, and how do you otherwise enable it (getting "extensions not enabl... : kallanta
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    And now I'm set up! : kallanta
    • Bug? Refreshing an individual thread removes the tag buttons. : kallanta
• Woooot! I was missing all of this stuff. Cheers Thom. : Whistler77
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  ThomW you fucking rock especially for doing all of the work in getting my scripts to work. : OverloadUT
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    Oh god I had forgotten how amazing the Shack is with my new comment marker script. It is a testament to h... : OverloadUT
    • I'm watching YouTube links directly in the thread. Infuckingsane. : Rigg5
    • Hey ThomW how do I modify the extension? I want to change it so all of the wacky lolscript buttons do not... : OverloadUT
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  bah developer release? what's the trick to get these working. I love Chrome but I'm not sure I'm ready fo... : Dante
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    The trick is to be on the dev version of Chrome. It's pretty solid but if you're not willing, then you'll... : OverloadUT
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      What defines "pretty solid"? : kallanta
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        "pretty solid" for me means "I have never had a single issue" but I don't feel comfortable saying "100% s... : OverloadUT
        • Yeah I've had a few times where it froze up but it's pretty rare. Overall it's solid. : sanchez
  • It's been great for me : Dave-A
• Finally I can laugh again, out loud even. And in color too. : thecatinthehat
• TY TY TY : nevlos
• You know what? Fuck firefox : umegastar
• This is too awesome. No more Firefox! yay! : Mmmmmoo
• awesome ThomW : irrerno
• Nice job, thx for the Chrome stuff! : punchdog
• Thank you, you own! : kahuuna

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  Your thread on the ER was bad. This one is much better. As for the topic: Nicely done, Activision. I'm... : LoioshDwaggie
  • nah man i was, and still am, pissed that there is no news that we can post on, instead of talking through... : lolnub
  • Yeah, because a tiny minority percentage of an already small minority is really going to affect their bot... : rudds
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  These logos are great. : sukabljat
  • If the L4D2 boycott had logos like that, I would of joined it. : pieman
• ouch : anthonybean
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  I still can't beleive that's real. How could IW be so stupid as to not have dedicated servers for the PC?... : Dynotaku
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    That is what I don't understand. Everyone says how much more the console version sells and how it's driv... : .frame
    • Dude, pirates. Duh. : Dschinghis Khan
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      It's not about community made content - it's about community. Dedicated servers are the life's blood of P... : Dynotaku
      • my bet is they release the game as is and patch in dedicated server support down the line. : anthonybean
      • Agreed about the community. I think their motivation is to make money from DLC and the suits can't be bo... : .frame
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        It's very annoying for people like us who play on servers with forum buddies, but it's trivial to everybo... : Zek
        • I don't know what forum communities you hang on, but the one I play with for CoD4 and 5 are generally on ... : r_picmip 5
    • I wonder if they realised that paid for map packs wont work with a dedicated server setup? Look at how it... : Beady
  • I think it's all about the DLC. Why would we get free mods when they can charge us $10 for 3 maps? : te[R]ror
  • It's about selling DLC and preventing profile hacking. They want the same control on the PC they already ... : rudds
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  So activision will abandon the PC market as they lost a half a million in sales. : stgdz
  • Activision isn't abandoning anything. They aren't providing what PC users are expecting: dedicated suppo... : sukabljat
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    they arent abandoning the PC market, they are bringing their own solution to reduce cheating and provide : maulla
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      they removed something fundamental that the community (ie their consumers) love. they shouldn't be surpri... : anthonybean
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        Its a stupid decision from the communities side but from Activision it is a pretty smart business move. ... : stgdz
        • It would be an interesting study to see if that is the case. CoD4 I know is still going incredibly strong... : LoioshDwaggie
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          This makes piracy more sensible though. Pirate the game for the SP, because the MP is going to be a clust... : Beady
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            How do you know it will be a clusterfuck? The party/matchmaking system in CoD4 works beautifully, whic... : maulla
            • You are like a creationist talking to atheists, thinking if you repeat your bullshit enough everyone else... : Tchest
            • But it's going to stop you from making new friends to play with. : Cihte
          • yeah matchmaking hasn't been a successful multiplayer solution at all... and CoD multiplayer is totally d... : derelict515
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      I can only assume it's true at this point because of their silence. If it wasn't true, you'd think they'd... : Dynotaku
      • I'm pretty sure most of those people are just making shit up. : Mecha Tofu Pirate
    • I don't think anyone has a problem with them using VAC. I'm sure they could still allow dedicated servers... : sanchez
  • haha you can't actually believe these retards : JINKY
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  Im sure its all true. : maulla
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    Well mine tops all yours. My local BestBuy has canceled all orders of the MW2 PC Edition. It will be on a : maulla
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      According to my dad (who can beat up your dad BTW KTHXBYE), his company cancelled their order of 70 billi... : walker270
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        ACTIVISION IS DOOMED : maulla
        • MY DAD JUST BEAT UP ACTIVISION! : walker270
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        Another plausible anecdote!!! "I went to EB games in my city to cancel and yup they knew why he said I wa... : veras
        • Ha I was just going to post this one too. Some of these stories are very much a fantasy to make the move... : Lionhart32935
        • hahahaha : maulla
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          Totally true... Sat morn 10 A.M. stopped at gamestop Payed off Game. Went home happy as a mofo!!!!! I : walker270
          • Man, all the Internet needs for age verification is a simple spelling test. : nevlos
        • Wait, people actually walk in to stores to buy games these days? : CrustaR
        • That's not the half of it, just imagine the chaos that will ensue when the postal service has to shut dow... : Zek
        • The sad thing is how many people on the forums will probably believe them : ColoradoCNC
• I'm a little embarrassed to be a PC gamer right now. : Arceihn
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  i'm really upset over the whole thing. really angry honestly. pretty torn up. : [fry]
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    if you had to compare it to a real life tragedy/genocide/etc., which one do you think is most similar? : veras
    • dedicated servers are jews and infinity ward just massacred them all : [fry]
  • 1. Diablo 3 color scheme 2. Whatever people are complaining about with MW2 here 3. 9/11 : Dave-A
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  I really must not be understanding this whole situation. What's the deal? So, no dedicated servers for P... : Clasifyd
  • no dedicated servers, replaced with matchmaking on IW's own service. assuming its similar to xbox live, t... : maulla
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    A user cannot create their own server (like they can do with TF2), but instead like 360, a random person ... : Masem
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      I suppose I still don't get it. That seems like a minor grievance to me. : Clasifyd
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        i large section of the cod community revolves around mods and community maps that run on dedicated, clan ... : anthonybean
        • Gotcha. I guess that's my problem in understanding this, then. I've never really gotten into either of th... : Clasifyd
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          Its not just mods or maps. I love joining my favorite server, playing with the same large gang of play... : Beady
          • Yeah we have been doing this on the 360 for a while in halo 3 and cod. Not on dedicated servers but I hav... : FrayLo
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            go to 'recent players' and add the players you liked to your friends list, then click their name and do '... : derelict515
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              or for a more temporary solution just party up with them at the end of the round and you can play togethe... : derelict515
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                I guess the one thing I do see as a point, is that this old notion of "I have a favorite server and I see... : FrayLo
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                  yeah it just a huge overreaction. No one seems to want to acknowledge how subpar the server browser is fo... : derelict515
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                    I think you're awesome!! : armybob
                    • <3 why do I do this to myself : derelict515
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              You guys know there's a reason openserverbrowser and dedicated servers are available even in a matchmakin... : LoioshDwaggie
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                That's just the old way of thinking dude. Get with the times! : .frame
                • I'm internet old and the paradigm has shifted :( : LoioshDwaggie
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                Yeah, I use to play pc games too. I got tired of upgrading my pc to play the latest games. I prefer conso... : FrayLo
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                  When I play TF2 I have about 7 servers I like to play on. Shack servers, ARS servers, and a few good cla... : .frame
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                    And how did you find those servers? How would a new gamer? : derelict515
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                      by seeing where my friends are playing. I can pull up a list of all servers my friends are currently pla... : .frame
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                        you missed what I was getting at. The average person doesn't have a slew of friends and forum friends on ... : derelict515
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                          Why can't there be both like L4D? Look I'm not saying that the PC side couldn't use some improvements fo... : .frame
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                            Because adding dedicated server support costs development time, money and ongoing support costs. If you'v... : derelict515
                            • dedicated server support is a minor burden compared to the other things that go on in game development (M... : ballystix
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                  You know that L4D PC has this, right? It even, quite nicely, shows all your friends who are playing. It a : LoioshDwaggie
                  • Yeah, but thats one game. When every PC is like this, you let me know. : pandastrong
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                    most developers can't or won't be able to justify the costs of 2 multiplayer infrastructures when 1 provi... : derelict515
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                      You keep throwing this 99% number around; I'd like to know what the real split is. : the_burd
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                        You'd have to ask IW but their market research supports that fact (they say as much in the frontpage arti... : derelict515
                        • i think the total sales numbers right now are 13-15m units across all platforms. PC accounted for 2-3m. (... : grifter
                • Amen. : stonedonkey
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                  You prefer console gaming, so you want PC gaming to become like that? What is this? : TrptJim
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                    yeah, WE hate YOU guys. It's us vs you. We're winning yeah!!! : derelict515
                    • hahahahaahahahaha : armybob
                • +inf : rudds
              • It's great that you think the only people who aren't worked up about this are console gamers. I've been p... : derelict515
              • yup, i only play on shack servers nowadays. : deathofrats
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          A large section of the cod community don't like that they won't be able to pirate the game anymore. : uncleanmonkey
          • I would say that has almost nothing to do with the anger. : mrwolf710
• serious business : chazums
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  I bet most of them end up buying it anyway. : Mecha Tofu Pirate
  • I assure you that I am one person who absolutely will not. There's enough fantastic gaming coming out tha... : LoioshDwaggie
  • I'm buying it solely for the single player, which, to me, makes this dedicated server business irritating... : pukerat
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  DICE: "To answer a lot of questions; Will BFBC2 PC have dedicated servers the user will control? YES!" ... : niceguynick
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    If that's true, why haven't they said anything in that disaster of a thread? : Dynotaku
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      because that's about DICE and BFBC2 not IW and MW2? : veras
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        What? : Dynotaku
        • Oh, NM. : Dynotaku
• LOL http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3674/tukrdediss.jpg : niceguynick
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  Just so The Shack has an accurate picture of this, I'm going to call my local EBGameStops when they open ... : LoioshDwaggie
  • you should also ask the guy who answers the phone if he thinks this news is worse than the holocaust : veras
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    You won't be able to because they'll be out of business from all of the preorder cancellations. : Mecha Tofu Pirate
    • OMG all Gamestops closed! : LoioshDwaggie
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    Well, I called my local guys here: GameStop #449 Legacy-Plano GS And they report they have not had an... : LoioshDwaggie
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      Can you post this on the forums so we can see a ton of people flame you? : Mecha Tofu Pirate
      • I'm not registered on their site. I generally don't sign up for developer/publisher forums since they ten... : LoioshDwaggie
    • Fry's doesn't take preorders : carbontree
    • Hmm. What makes your experience more truthful than the other thread?! Maybe it's you who are fibbing! : Cihte
• "I told him well you mess with the Pc Gamers its like messing with god. We will pimp slap you so hard whe... : Mansmells
• I just contacted the NSA to let them know what Infinity Ward is doing : gmd
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  I just called to cancel my pre order (which I never had) at three different local game stores. 1 pla... : Jimbo Ro
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    FUCK that's THREE more cancelled preorders! : walker270
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      I just canceled my 500,000 preorders : gmd
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        can you imagine the scenario where the employee walks into the executives' office at infinity ward and sa... : [fry]
        • right now he is personally writing letters of apology to everyone that preordered it for the pc. : gmd
        • http://puesoccurrences.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/scrooge-mcduck.jpg : CrustaR
        • "The pre-orders are gone. They're. All. Gone!" : ColoradoCNC
      • I'm going to pre-order just so I can cancel. : chazums
  • The only one i believe is the 3rd. : maulla
  • OMG IT BEGINS : derelict515
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  some of those replies and the attitude of the Op is why I hate pcs ..even though I'm almost exclusively a... : cptstern
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    If you've ever played on XBL for more than 5 seconds, you'd know that being a dick isn't a PC exclusive. : Dynotaku
    • Yeah. Thank god the 360 dosent have a web browser with speech to text. : Beady
    • it's gamers in general : cptstern
• It's real sad the the HYPE MACHINE was out of control with this game, now they pulled this out and boom..... : sreyes22
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  IW Responds to the petition http://www.edge-online.com/news/infinity-ward-responds-to-100k-strong-mod... : grabbie
  • Haha I think that's the equivalent of "ok." He must read the Shack. : r_picmip 5
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    could you even imagine 100,000 playing the game online? that's the best part. what pc fps has been that p... : JINKY
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      Counter Strike? : sammyl
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        Not according to the shackbattles we've had lately. Sunday we peaked at 7 people at one point. Normally w... : fadetofunk
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          come play TF2 or DoD:S with us then. CS sucks dicks anyway. : Dschinghis Khan
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            yeah good luck getting into tuesday or thursday games if you aren't like 6 hours early! : .frame
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              I always show up 3 minutes before and manage to get in just fine. Sometimes even 3 minutes after. : mysled
              • well now you are just mysleading everyone:) : .frame
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        What PC FPS other than Counter-Strike or Counter-Strike:Source has been that popular recently? : everybodysuncle
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          TF2? : Dschinghis Khan
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            Okay, last revision : What PC FPS that was not made/published by Valve has been that popular recently? : everybodysuncle
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              Valve publishes almost all FPS games now, because of steam. : kaddar0
              • I think in that sense Valve is distributing the title, but not publishing it. : everybodysuncle
            • CoD4? : Vincent Grayson
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            TF2 is a great game, but I don't know if it's ever crossed 100K. Maybe on a good day when new content is ... : K1Bond007
            • 30,000, max at any given time. I've never seen it cross that. : Wisp!
    • What are you talking about? CoD4 sold 14 million copies, and a few of them were on PC. : Dynotaku
    • probably a lot of them, but maybe you're thinking of 100k at the same time? : alexthegreat2
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    I expect a delay announcement at the end of the week. : Beady
    • i expect a delicious BLT and cold beer by this afternoon. : grifter
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    Fuller response http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/10/20/modern-warfare-2-dedicated-server-re... : beanman101283
    • "Why not have both? West does not want to include dedicated servers alongside the custom-built backend, s... : Freon
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  Can I go on record stating the backlash is hilariously stupid? Canceling pre-orders over an ambiguous st... : r_picmip 5
  • PC gaming is super cereal : derelict515
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    really? really? really? really? Cancelling a pre-order is easily done and it does actually make a stateme... : niceguynick
    • Does IW even get that information? Isn't the publisher handling that? I don't think it makes as much as... : r_picmip 5
  • That article didn't have the word, nerd in it enough. : steauengeglase
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  pc gamers have turned into whining trash. i still consider myself one but i have seriously lost touch wi... : EvilDolemite
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    it's almost a charicature of itself at this point. If you remove any feature that was in PC games 10 year... : derelict515
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      In this case though, they're removing a feature that was present in both their most recent game, and CoD5... : Vincent Grayson
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        yup, and user feedback indicates it's the wrong feature to prioritize. People here seem to think every PC... : derelict515
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          And that's fine, *adding* matchmaking is a perfectly legitimate thing to do. But I don't see why they nee... : Vincent Grayson
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            because there's always a cost to features. Developing, testing and ongoing support. Apparently IW decided... : derelict515
            • Yes, they really could just copy and paste the server browser from the first game. You're coming up with ... : Wisp!
      • Too bad the userbase couldn't resist pirating and hacking the game, necessitating this sort of tightened ... : rudds
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    Everybody has their sacred cow. : CRasterImage
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      PC only gamers apparently have 500 sacred cows that can be reincarnated as another scared cow when somebo... : Degenerate
      • You know this whining about PC gamers is just as bad. : dafugg
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    having given up on the PC upgrade race and buying a 360 last year, i'm constantly horrified at the righte... : grifter
    • Well, I wouldn't say cheating is rampant. I don't play online games a huge amount, but I've only ever com... : Nali4Freedom
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    I don't care either way because I've never played a CoD game, but it does seem like a valid argument : fishbone
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      it is a valid argument. the way it's being presented is childish and neanderthalian. : EvilDolemite
      • No question, but the squeeky wheel gets the grease. I can't imagine approaching it from a more mature pe... : fishbone
      • regardless, i think canceling preorders is the best protest they can be done. : anthonybean
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    I don't care about this so you're just whining. I hate this attitude that has become so prevalent among ... : Boxelder
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      it's the same sanctimonious attitude that those creating petitions posses. i just happen to be a lot hap... : EvilDolemite
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        I'm curious, how else would you have them protest in such a low effort manner? : jim bone
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          he's commenting on the way it's presented. We could have a logical and reasonable debate about the merits... : derelict515
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            I don't see the need to debate (reasonably or otherwise) personal preference about features; clearly they... : jim bone
            • I haven't actually read their forums, so perhaps they're being particularly obnoxious; but I haven't noti... : jim bone
    • haha "go back to xbl" : pandastrong
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      GO BACK TO XBL OKAYBAI : FrayLo
      • still miss squabble. : Boxelder
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      but they really are whining : Mansmells
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        That's because they really think matchmaking sucks. : Boxelder
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          how many have even tried it? i play games via matchmaking and dedicated servers and each has its own meri... : EvilDolemite
          • but if you don't have dedicated servers how can you even enjoy GOTY quality singleplayer or even play mul... : derelict515
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            They aren't petty to many people. Dedicated servers foster large communities in ways that matchmaking ca... : omnova
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              He's not calling those who like it that byes calling the people who argue like children that. You said t... : derelict515
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                I didn't mean to imply that dedicated servers are better when playing alone, but I've found that people a : omnova
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                  Right, I know the benefits of dedicated servers, but they benefit the few and make it harder for the mass... : derelict515
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                    I find out hard to fault the people voicing their opinion. 100k signatures (minus the inevitable duplica... : omnova
                    • as RomSteady pointed out last night, there's plenty of research to indicate a small percentage of those w... : derelict515
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                      could you even imagine setting up a TF2 pug with matchmaking only ok everyone get on irc, one dude has... : Chandler55
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                        why are you ignoring the existence of friends lists? : derelict515
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                          Why are you ignoring all these people's experiences? I have a large friends list and still routinely pug ... : terath
                          • Terath I agree completely about TF2. If it wasn't for the handful of servers I can jump on and see famil... : .frame
          • I did in CoD4 on 360, and it was okay. I much preferred the PC method of finding and playing multiplayer ... : Vincent Grayson
          • Dedicated servers was the only reason why I was planning on buying it for PC over PS3. For some games, I... : Edges
        • i think it's because they are whiners. i think it sucks too but i'm not whining, i'm giggling. : Mansmells
    • lol The problem is not the complaint itself. The issue is the ridiculous overreaction, the REFUSAL to ac... : derelict515
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    Thanks for including me in the whining trash. It seems like the only way to get most companies to pay ... : Robotic Puppy Eater
    • I suppose I should add that its possible to satisfy BOTH parties in this situation. Run IW servers and ad... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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      It's their job to listen to the customer, it's not their job to fulfill every one of their desires. The c... : derelict515
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        Granted. But there appears to be a rather large subset of unhappy people and, as I said, its possible to ... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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          A large subset of users here would be like 100 people. They're going to sell millions on PC and more else... : derelict515
          • I'd be willing to bet a pretty significant number of people who purposely chose to get it on PC over 360 ... : Robotic Puppy Eater
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        They may well be in the minority, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be voicing their opinion; it just ... : jim bone
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          right, and the more irrational the form of their complaints the more likely it is to be ignored even if t... : derelict515
          • I don't think it's irrational nor the responsibility of this minority not to represent the interests of t... : jim bone
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  What would you guys rather? Ad-Hoc servers with steam friend list integration or Dedicated servers wi... : fadetofunk
  • I guess we'll see when we get something official but steam integration would really be awesome. Being ab... : .frame
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    Why can't we have both? Works great with Left 4 Dead and TF2. : melkore
    • I hope we end up having both, but the point is that why this may be one step backwards its also one step... : fadetofunk
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  For those who don't want to be tainted by the stupidity on that forum, here are the banners people are ma... : r_picmip 5
  • the last one is just.. :D : deKaf
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    Holee shit http://i38.tinypic.com/34643s0.jpg : melkore
    • Hahaha : TrptJim
• I feel kind of bad for being an avid PC gamer after reading those comments, but since I'm not really a fa : hatelull
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  a better question would be, how many would have known or cared if it wasn't discussed prior to release. : grifter
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    ...what? : dedgecko
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      how many of the people in that thread would have actually noticed a difference in their play experience h... : grifter
      • I think the "no dedicated servers" thing would have been fairly obvious after installing the game and jum... : hatelull
      • um, everyone? : AllYourBase
      • Remember when L4D didn't have a server browser? No? Well, everyone noticed, and most weren't pleased. : Nali4Freedom
      • as stated above - anyone that plays MP would've done a triple take and there would be a loss of bandwidth... : dedgecko
      • pretty sure the answer is "everybody". : fishbone
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        Do you not understand what dedicated servers or matchmaking are?? : OmegaRed59
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          i understand just fine. i still think that the overreaction to this is fueling the fire with people who ... : grifter
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            See my L4D example. That was pretty much exactly the same thing. There was a lot of complaints about that... : Nali4Freedom
            • getting pushed back to a lobby after the game ends is still fucking stupid : zerog83
          • Except that MW1 was set up with dedicated servers. I'm sure the majority of people who played the previou... : TrptJim
          • If you play PC games online and use a server browser, how could you not notice the difference? : OmegaRed59
      • I. I would have noticed. : kaddar0
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        Probably anyone who's ever played a game on the PC. A Console to PC convert (are there any?) wouldn't hav... : Dynotaku
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          having been a longtime PC gamer, I bought a 360 last year and the switch to matchmaking was actually a re... : grifter
          • as for ways to make matchmaking better, i'm sure there are ways. off the top of my head, adding in commun... : grifter
          • I think it is less of an issue as well, but your question about how many people would know it is differen... : OmegaRed59
• So..... 1. The guy is a douche just for pre-ordering the game in the first place especially at EB or G... : K1Bond007
• I'm going to go to every Game Stop in the Bay Area and preorder three copies of the PC version : mikecyb
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  I like where this is going, I hope this trend continues. catering to the niche market has never been a go... : Downforce
  • well of course they're going forward, the game comes out in less than a month. it's been content complet... : mikecyb
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    dedicated servers = niche? http://www.shackpics.com/files/wut_q80tx6s6mj27vspmmjs0.jpg : anthonybean
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      they're certainly a minority of the players and then a minority of the players who use them prefer them (... : derelict515
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        They don't say anything about a minority of players. They say that matchmaking makes it more accessible (... : LoioshDwaggie
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          That's why I continue to bring up L4D as an example. The feedback on that was so heinous that they comple... : LoioshDwaggie
          • Not sure I understand your question. In either case, see my previous replies about development costs. M... : derelict515
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            ditch punkbuster and ditch unlockables. and every gaming community has skill tiers. what a lame complai... : anthonybean
            • It's not just their logic, they aren't just speculating randomly, it's direct market research and usabili... : derelict515
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              Ditch unlockables? You mean the framework the entire multiplayer experience is built around? Great idea. : rudds
              • That's a load of crap. The unlockables are just a hook to bait people into playing their game for longer ... : Wisp!
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            Why couldn't they cater to both? Valve did it with L4D when they got backlash for this. Just leave those ... : K1Bond007
            • i think a l4d hybrid is the best solution : anthonybean
            • being able to sell DLC is the obvious reason. just like noLan in SC2 was for antipiracy. its so obvious. ... : Chandler55
    • no, but more often than not, it's nearly impossible to find just a plain ass old vanilla mode of a PC FPS... : -=kodiak=-
    • holy shit this is the best jpg ever : Chandler55
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    Yes, everyone wins. Mainly IW who can force PC users to purchase their DLC instead of downloading and pl... : atom519
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      oh man the old force players to buy stuff tactics! the game actually comes with a dude who mugs you, tak... : mikecyb
      • I've gotta say though only $60 to have a guy come to your house and punch you is pretty cheap labor. I me... : OverloadUT
      • You don't have to buy the DLC but they also took away the free third party option that everyone is used t... : Edges
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  There's no way this will even remotely compare to the reduction in piracy that centrally hosted servers g... : uncleanmonkey
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    Yes because all those pirates who were planning on playing a great game for free will now pay 60$ so they... : Tchest
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      90% of players won't give a fuck, and will probably prefer the new less cumbersome system, 60% of players... : uncleanmonkey
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        What exactly is cumbersome about a dedicated server list with filters? It's the same system PC users hav... : atom519
        • Just because it's what we've been using forever doesn't mean it's less cumbersome. In fact that tends to ... : OverloadUT
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        Wow, I'm increasingly finding myself in a small minority. I don't have tv anymore because of the obnoxiou... : terath
        • You watch the wrong movies. : Wisp!
• Personally, the only reason I care is because every time I've ever used a matchmaking service, I get stuc... : wasylm
• lol : InfoBiter
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  You'd think for a game like this dedicated servers would be staple stone. Whats worse is that it's alread... : Gizzmo_jr
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    No feature is free to develop, even if it's a holdover from previous games. There's always some new devel... : derelict515
    • For a game with the same engine with virtually the same game code? Modern Warfare essentially acts as a l... : Wisp!
• Does anyone have numbers for how many copies of MW were sold on PC? I can't imagine it was even close to ... : Crankladon

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• me me me : dirge23
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  Me, VespeneGas, all the members of Shack Borderlands steam group. Stinky Sanchez, possibly. : LoioshDwaggie
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    can somebody throw me an invite to the borderlands group? : dirge23
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      dirge, link your profile : LoioshDwaggie
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        I found his link via his Shack profile, invited : Xevo
        • thanks. : dirge23
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    There is a Shack Borderlands steam group? Sign me up! http://steamcommunity.com/id/plainclothes : Arceihn
    • invited : Xevo
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      Can I get an invite too? : Gary the Llama
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        sure just link me to your steamcommunity.com/id page plz : Xevo
        • http://steamcommunity.com/id/garythellama : Gary the Llama
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          http://steamcommunity.com/id/malloc : malloc
          • got you and Gary : Xevo
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          http://steamcommunity.com/whistletits : whistletits
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            page doesn't work dude : Xevo
            • http://steamcommunity.com/id/slaptits : whistletits
        • http://steamcommunity.com/id/lowpoly thanks! : lowpoly
        • hey Xevo send me one. : Dschinghis Khan
        • http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197982309043 : hirosushima
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          http://steamcommunity.com/id/sposh : sposh
          • gotcha! : Xevo
        • http://steamcommunity.com/id/dasampla please! : dasampla
        • http://steamcommunity.com/id/zeh : zehh
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      I need an invite! Same as shackname. : Pacalon
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        not found - please post your entire steamid address : Nitrium
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          http://steamcommunity.com/id/pacalon Does that link work? Should be ok. Lemme know if not. : Pacalon
          • yup, gotcha : Xevo
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  HAI RAPEROFSHEEPS! : zerog83
  • alllo! : sheepraper
• I'll be playing. : IndigoAK
• meeeeee!!! Though I won't be on on launch day. : RogerDandy
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  Me! I thought you were already in the Borderlands group : melkore
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    I find that I end up playing with 1/4 of the players in a group. Some people join a group but never end ... : sheepraper
    • the nice thing is you can see who in the group is playing at any given time, and just friend those people... : Xevo
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  Seems like a good time to plug the group: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/ShackBL Post a link to your... : Xevo
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    http://steamcommunity.com/id/AlexXdude - I'll take an invite too! : AlexXdude
    • done! : Xevo
  • http://steamcommunity.com/id/malloc : malloc
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  I, too, will be playing it on PC next monday! : AlexXdude
  • I hear they have sniper rifles in this game, A-dude. : SolveChrist
• definitely me! sucks cause i took this week off and it gets delayed to next week... grrr : inc77
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  Myself and (most likely) Katarn3279. : Gary the Llama
  • not found - what's your steam id address? : Nitrium
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  Invite Me Please http://steamcommunity.com/id/knightsray : knights543
  • got you : rmjackson
• Lack of dedicated support had me cancel my pre order. : sukabljat
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  Hi-jack: Can I get an invite to the Steam Shackgroup? http://steamcommunity.com/id/breadstick : breadsticks
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    gotcha, was confused for a bit since you're in Borderlands : Xevo
    • Thanks :) : breadsticks
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  me me me : whistletits
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    what's your steam id? : Nitrium
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      whistletits : whistletits
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        not found :( : Nitrium
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          http://steamcommunity.com/id/slaptits : whistletits
          • now it worked, sent : Nitrium
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  off to school, feel free to keep linking Steam profiles for invites and someone in the group will get you... : Xevo
  • Xevo for president! : Piett23
  • You've been relieved, don't worry. : Nitrium
• I'm up for forming a group of some kind in prep for this game. :) I'm in the shack group. : .ka`boom.zZz.
• Me. Just kidding, school doesn't want me to have fun. : Robotic Puppy Eater
• Anyone have an extra copy from the 4 pack? : intothefray
• AxeMan808 will not even be playing CS:S. Borderlands boyeeeeeeeeeeee! : AxeMan808
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  memememmememe : DrZettl
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    Also, how many that will be playing PC as PST based, or play later at night (say, post 9:30pm). : DrZettl
    • Ugh, that's a 7-hour difference for me :( : Nitrium
    • A friend is bringing it over for 360 today so I can try it out. If I like it I will be getting it on PC, ... : SenorSpine
• still looking to get in on a 4 pack purchase if anyone is interested. : bemeseed
• Me.. Pretty fucking stupid that we can buy the game at the store but have to wait until next Monday. Clea... : Reeves
• ive got it for 360 only : dantastic
• I'm back if anyone is still looking for an invite : Xevo
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  ho : alexthegreat2
  • sup? : Xevo
• me if the hype is not dead by the time I receive my new pc. But I have a feeling this game will have 1/10... : mnok
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  I just read the shack review, and about how you can dupe items. stupid. it will ruin play with stranger... : ]pm[chem
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    yeah, that is fairly lame, but considering they're planning patches, maybe there will be some sort of sys... : Xevo
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      it'll be really hard to fix unless char data is stored server side, which would be big to just 'patch-in'... : ]pm[chem
      • Yeah I know, was just figuring they might try to do some sort of encryption on the save files or somethin... : Xevo
• I, I : razlebol
• add me! http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197967565633 : ant321
• After I deposit this check, I'm buyin the fuck out of Borderlands. Woooooo peecee : MercFox1
• How will matchmaking go in Borderlands? Will it be similar to L4D for friends or is it just at random? : norulez
• hardware hijack: any chance i can run this with my system? P4 3.0ghz 1GB RAM 7600 GT kinda doubt ... : SMBYourFather

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  look at those comments! amazing : FrayLo
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    You have got to be kidding me. What you've described above is right out of a console and doesn't prove th : FrayLo
    • THIS IS FAIL : FrayLo
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  This is the same stuff I have been saying to the rabid nerds, but it's not good enough for them : maulla
  • Probably because they do not like this solution. : Nali4Freedom
  • lol i saw you in action on the front page poor guy its like a marine versus 9012847890127423017 zer... : nova_x
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    You people make it sound like it's so hard to find a game through the server browser. Even if that's true : Cihte
    • YOU PEOPLE? WHAT DO YOU MEAN "YOU PEOPLE"? RACIST! : ejectorpod
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  Its clear that he hates PC gamers. : Haku-Jin
  • The list of games he owns is good for a giggle. Nearly all of the PC ones are Activision published titles... : Beady
• this got buried in that other thread. i think that in the long run, this is probably a good move. the ... : grifter
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  What is sad, most of the people complaining were probably going to pirate the game anyway. : mancide
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    This is probably true. : FormerHPB
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      How? You cannot play online, its been that way since Quake3, are you saying they're just trolling? Man Im... : IgnoramusSA
      • Ahhh hacked servers! : IgnoramusSA
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  Still nothing about what will happen with 3rd party content like custom maps. They say you can essentiall... : pyide
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    Almost everyone plays the same 3 or 4 Infinity Ward made maps. There are custom maps but they are only p... : mrwolf710
    • Really...? Have you turned on your mods filter lately? : tfsbrian
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  I'm pretty sure Activision is behind this last minute change, not IW. IW is just taking the brunt of it. : sreyes22
  • This is most likely true as IW stated many months ago that there would be little difference between COD 4... : Sgt_Boomstick
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  I still don't understand how it will still allow competitive play to function properly. If you party u... : dedgecko
  • Do you think every XBL shooter has a ridiculous host advantage? Because that's not the case. Gears had an... : derelict515
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    there will be no fucking lag, everyone will have practically the same ping : dewdman
    • Only if that were the case. (See L4D match making) : Sgt_Boomstick
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  So who actually hosts the servers? Whoever creates a playlist, or is it more like L4D where servers are j... : crummynz
  • It seems like they will be hosting the servers. If they don't the whole system is for naught because peop... : pyide
  • I dont know, but I hate left4deads matchmaking as it is... I always get stuck with a 100+ ping. but I pla... : chilln
• I think the loss of having a dedicated clan/forum/community server is made up somewhat with parties, I st... : deject
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  Overseas gamers... he still doesn't address this. It's like they want us all to pirate the game. The mult... : dafugg
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    I assume, if they are hosting servers, they will put them worldwide. : crummynz
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      When have you EVER seen a company host first party game servers in AU/NZ? I can count them on one hand. : dafugg
      • s2 games lolol and Blizzard nm : Iwannaacura
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    they don't want you to, but it sounds like you planned to anyway : derelict515
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      Wow the rabid anti-anyone-but-me shit here is getting out of hand. No I didn't plan to pirate it. I've... : dafugg
      • neigh : FrayLo
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        Saying something like "it's like they want us all to pirate the game" is a strange thing to say if you do... : OmegaRed59
        • As I said below.. that was a poor choice of words. : dafugg
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        Why would you say "they want us to pirate the game" then? Why not just say "It's like they don't want us ... : OverloadUT
        • Because the 'us' here refers to 'PC gamers'. This group is well known for high piracy rates unfortunately... : dafugg
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  I'm trying to get my head around this IW stuff. Ok, so over half of CoD4 copies that play online are p... : mrwolf710
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    The 360 isn't a mad free for all. You can submit player feedback on anyone you're with and matchmaking wi... : derelict515
    • So if I join a game with 10 jerks I have to submit feedback on 10 jerks to make sure I don't play with th... : mrwolf710
    • That is built into Live's back end through and this game doesn't use GFWL. It probably should for feature... : pyide
    • This is true, but harsh admins are 10x better who ban on command. I rather take my chances with a power t... : Sgt_Boomstick
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    i've hardly ever encountered matchmaking on 360 where the "pings were bad" : FrayLo
    • yeah, I'm saying that won't be a problem. : mrwolf710
    • Mate you've never played on XBL in Australia. It's so bad that I don't know anyone who pays for gold t... : dafugg
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      i submit that you have NEVER ACTUALLY PLAYED ON LIFE. GoW2, Halo3, they all get bad pings on occasion : retarded talking dinosaur
      • youre right i'm just bullshitting, i have an xbox 360 and never play on live. i do subscribe though : FrayLo
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    anticipate getting called a fucking faggot by 12 year olds in the near future : peat
    • yeah, this. Can't wait. : mrwolf710
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      Turn off voicechat. Switch voicechat to friends only. Switch voicechat to party only. Submit player feedb... : derelict515
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        Who says any of those features will be available on PC? : pyide
        • I mean shit... Red Faction Guerrilla went down the matchmaking route and it's online multi burns like whe... : dafugg
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        If you can do all that. It's not Live...it's IWnet. : mrwolf710
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          Then complain about missing those features if they're missing. The point is your complaints are all solve... : derelict515
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            The point is your solutions are native to an entire gaming platform (Xbox 360) and not something we can j... : pyide
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              well hopefully IW looked at similar products and thought about these issues. Ultimately you're complainin... : derelict515
              • I was still replying to your post up here: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=21196571 because you me... : pyide
              • Another problem is that IW has exactly been real open with any details. So even if someone asked on the o... : mrwolf710
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      Because it's different then any other game with voice chat : maulla
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        i know i know, that's just what comes to my mind when i picture the 360 community : peat
        • Then you aren't doing it right. : Fred Garvin
      • Well usually if you play on a dedicated server that has it's own vent, the ops will usually ban children ... : ghost in my shell
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      oh yeah that's never happened in the history of PC gaming : mikecyb
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        it's never happened on a tf2 or cs server am I right? :D : peat
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          I think counter-strike is the original '12 year old calling me a faggot' machine :( : mikecyb
          • oh man I was 12 in 1999 when I started playing cs. it was probably me. : peat
    • Or play with friends. The Shack Rape Squad + Part Chat = Win. : Fred Garvin
  • MARTYR and NOOB TUBES FTFW! : IHATEDUST
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  So much is being made about the servers with different rule settings and cvars etc... who cares? If I ... : chilln
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    why do you think hopping between servers to find one with the right rules/skill level is a good usability... : derelict515
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      because the matchmaking still will put me in whatever shit server it wants. I spend more time finding ... : chilln
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        this is the exact kind of biased, irrational argument that makes these threads pointless. I'll even con... : derelict515
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          of course im biased... I like PC gaming. Its not hard to find servers, you click "multiplayer" ---> th... : chilln
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            Its not hard to find servers, you click "multiplayer" ---> then "refresh" and a giant list of servers com : derelict515
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              Those are also lowly populated games where it doesn't matter as much who hosts, they're like 3v3 at the m... : pyide
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                I'm not blindy ignoring anything. I'm well aware of the difference. He made a blanket statement that 'mat... : derelict515
                • Those PC games you mention also have what are essentially a server browsers you can browse for custom gam... : pyide
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  Damn this is going to suck. I was looking forward to running my own server. Matchmaking blows, sooo bumme... : Sgt_Boomstick
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    The worst part is that Infinity Ward probably (if they were honest) doesn't care. PC sales were always g... : mrwolf710
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      This is a given, this whole thing is 1 big anti-piracy push; which is fine in theory but not in this case... : Sgt_Boomstick
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        Its to control their map-pack selling. and It will cock-block anyone wanting to make maps for their ga... : chilln
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          and what's wrong with actually trying to recoup the costs of having a team of people working on high qual... : grifter
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            valve does it for tf2. id personally just rather see expansion packs then mappacks that are charged for. ... : chilln
            • im sure that we can all agree that valve is unique : grifter
    • Didn't CoD4 sell something like 2.5 - 3 million copies on the PC? Granted the console sales probably dou... : tfsbrian
• It pained me to cancel this pre-order :/ I refuse to play it on console (i hate console fps') and the bes... : rmjackson
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  Will friends be able to play w/ each other since there are no dedicated servers? : mr.sleepy
  • it uses Steam, so of course. you'll be able to see when your friends are playing and join their game I a... : mikecyb
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  So your service saves us the agony and suffering of 'having to pick a low ping server manually'... ? : Lunatic Angelic
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    I think the concern is more that the availability of good standard servers with near full populations was... : Kentor
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      what about a game like counter-strike? arguably the most popular online pc shooter of all time and it use... : peat
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        I am going to guess that CS doesn't get too many new users, and when it does it's friends of existing use... : mikecyb
        • CS has 100k players at peak between the two versions and it still sells very well on Steam so you're wron... : Shai-Tan
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        I presume they have accurate statistics for their own game. : Kentor
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          I do too i'm just too lazy to look them up : peat
          • ? You have internal statistics on the breakdown of CoD4 servers? : Kentor
  • navigating a server browser is too difficult duh : peat
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    it's a usability thing at this point. I like the whole server browser thing myself but matchmaking is mu... : mikecyb
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      Do people play on the PC for your stupid baby "disability" stuff? : SpaecKow
      • what a wonderful misspelling of usability I have made. : SpaecKow
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        if you are being serious and not just being SpaecKow, it depends on the audience you want. it's way easi... : mikecyb
        • 1) People like that should go buy a 360. And this is an absurd thing to say because people like that have : SpaecKow
  • yes, as well as one using standard rules and filled with players who won't walk all over you. : derelict515
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  Here is my whole thing with this ordeal. I am not really massively excited about them removing dedicated... : mikecyb
  • Case closed, thread locked! : pyide
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    But where's the fun in that? I don't hang around with other people that game really so coming here to bi... : mrwolf710
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      I am not saying don't bitch about it, that's fine, I bitch about games all the time. There is just a dif... : mikecyb
      • the sense on entitlement and revenge is way over the top. : grifter
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    I think there's a lot of rage for people not wanting to lose the control over their multiplayer experienc... : project13
    • that's perfectly valid but at the same time there are tons of games that already let you do those things,... : mikecyb
  • Great post, Mikerbee Cybikins! I can't think of any aspect of a software product that would lead me to ev... : Dave-A
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  It is still my opinion that DLC is the main driver behind this. : .frame
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    I think that Piracy is the main drive behind IWNET and DLC is the main drive behind getting rid of dedica... : RetroRedEyeJr
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      How did people play online with pirated copies of the original? On hacked servers? : crummynz
      • I am not sure how they did, and now i am not even sure where i read that a lot of the online players were... : RetroRedEyeJr
      • Correct. Hacked servers. This is the reason for IWnet. : Sgt_Boomstick
      • Hamachi : aeg1x
    • True. I don't mind IWNET or Steam or whatever method they use to prevent piracy. I just hate this move ... : .frame
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  public servers are what makes PC online gaming so fun. Especially with FPS. I like all the goofy mods peo... : gyokuro
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    you can still modify rules and gamemodes with matchmaking (Halo 3) : derelict515
    • Now i didn't play much halo mplayer but i don't remember being able to join randoms on anything other tha... : RetroRedEyeJr
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  I don't see how he "cleared" the air other than to affirm the rumors previously circulating about the who... : R@zzle
  • Exactly. The uproar isn't because people don't understand the changes - the first interview gave enough i... : ArcKnight
• I have decided that while i will miss dedicated servers a lot (because it kills mods, custom maps, compet... : RetroRedEyeJr
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  chris remo's comment (the first comment) basically sums up what the community is trying to say in a respe... : peat
  • That was great and sums up how I feel perfectly : R@zzle
  • It's good to see someone who isn't a total flaming asshole have something interesting and important to sa... : pyide
  • TGFR thank god for remo : atom519
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    I want to replace every comment on the internet about this subject with that post :( : mikecyb
    • With the power of greasemonkey... : OverloadUT
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    whoa..wait, so they raised the price to $60 on the PC? WTF? There are no fees that need to get paid, wh... : deathofrats
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      Complaining about the price raise is dumb I say. It's a better game than most others, so why shouldn't it : OverloadUT
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        ...or, instead, lesser-quality games should cost less. : omnova
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          Well, they already do that. There are lots of indie games that release for much less. Look at Steam and X... : OverloadUT
          • The game is going to sell enough copies and make enough money that I have a hard time feeling empathatic. : omnova
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        are you kidding? It's completely subjective. Why is it better, and by how much? Unless they are ad : atom519
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          Okay fine. It costs more to develop for. Yay end of argument, since you specifically said that would be a... : OverloadUT
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            Development cost is pretty irrelevant to the consumer; perceived quality is what matters. : omnova
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              I agree. And the perceived quality of CoD4 was above and beyond most other games. It was one of the best ... : OverloadUT
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                One of the biggest successes of modern marketing is not only getting people to pay more for products, but : terath
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                  I'm not fighting to pay more. If I could get it for cheaper I would love that! But I lack of the sense of... : OverloadUT
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                    The logic is nothing like that. There has always been a give and take between consumers and producers. Co... : terath
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                      Your entire second and third paragraph is something that a very very very very small percentage of their ... : OverloadUT
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                        I mean jesus you are completely and totally unbelievably out of touch with the average consumer if you ac... : OverloadUT
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                          I am explaining the logic of the people in this thread who are complaining. Most people are lucky if they... : terath
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                            Okay, so you're one of those people that won't listen to people who actually know the facts about the sit... : OverloadUT
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                              No, increased profits on their own have no bearing on quality. If you can make some crappy ass product an : terath
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                                I pretty much agree with everything you said. I don't even know why we were debating now :( : OverloadUT
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                                  Perhaps I'm bad at communicating. :( : terath
                                  • Well I still disagree with some of the stuff you said earlier in this thread, and you did kind of start i... : OverloadUT
                                • I think he called you fat somewhere in there. : omnova
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            But they didn't specifically say it costs more to develop for the PC to my knowledge. If anything they s : atom519
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              It's so silly that you think the company is obligated to do favors for you. The bottom line is that the P... : OverloadUT
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                It's not as feature-complete as other PC Shooters (particularly CoD5) and yet costs $10 more. Discrepanc... : R@zzle
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                  Comparing across different games is pointless. I could list 100 titles that retailed for $50 for the PC t... : OverloadUT
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                    Comparing the game is not pointless if you look at it from a standpoint of analyzing what basic multiplay... : R@zzle
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                      The vast majority of the potential buyers are not going to grab CoD5 and MW2, put them side by side and s : OverloadUT
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                        are you kidding? Console gamers sure, but PC gamers are completely different than console gamers as far ... : deathofrats
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                          There's really no point in arguing this further since you are never going to concede the point you just m : OverloadUT
                          • I agree there is no point arguing but only for the fact that you have some vested interest in activision.... : deathofrats
                        • Maybe the vocal minority. The average PC gamer does not come to Shacknews nor sign Internet petitions. Ha... : OmegaRed59
                  • He's comparing it to a game in the SAME GENRE, how is that not valid? Why do you have such a hard on for... : deathofrats
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                They are obligated by the fact that WE ARE THE CONSUMERS. We buy their games. If IW comes out and it ... : deathofrats
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                  You're saying "We" when you really mean "I." The game will still sell plenty. Not everyone thinks like yo... : OverloadUT
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                    wait...wait...you are in Novato right? Don't you work for Activision? : deathofrats
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                      Yes I am a corporate shill. You found me out. Dude Activision is not even in Novato! Or even in Northern ... : OverloadUT
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                        Really? 2kMarin? Toys for Bob? There are several activision owned companies in Marin county, just a fe... : deathofrats
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                          This is fucking hilarious. Did you even read the link you posted? I'll give you a moment to figure it out : OverloadUT
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                            my 2kmarin faux pas aside, you did lie about there not being any activision companies up your area. : deathofrats
                            • Not knowing a fact is not the same as lying. It slipped my mind that Toys for Bob, a tiny development stu... : OverloadUT
              • Oh, I actually had it in my head that the console was $49, and the PC was $59 - and you were arguing the : atom519
              • Because they aren't paying MS or Sony any fees for the PC developed version... : WhatIsThisFor
              • You seem quite capable of defending a company's motivations for maximizing their profit off the game, so ... : jim bone
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            Then why aren't the console versions $70? : WhatIsThisFor
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              Why should it be? A couple possible reasons why it might not be: 1. Market analysis shows them that $ : OverloadUT
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                The reason console games are $60 and not $50 is because developers have to pay fees to Sony and MS and th... : WhatIsThisFor
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                  How about you answer this inverse question? The PC game and the 360 game are the exact same game. The ... : OverloadUT
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                    Because the developer doesn't have to pay any fees to Microsoft or Sony for developing on their consoles. : WhatIsThisFor
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                      Why should that matter to the consumer? On the console version, the developer doesn't have to pay mone : OverloadUT
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                        Why shouldn't it? PC gamers are not accustomed to paying $60 extra for games and it is no surprise that ... : WhatIsThisFor
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                          If they had stated anywhere at any time that the price had to be raised on PC in order that the game get ... : WhatIsThisFor
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                            How do you know that's not the case? I already explained to you a few ways that developing for the PC cos... : OverloadUT
                            • Because of statements made in the last few months by Bobby Kotick. : WhatIsThisFor
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                      and instead they have a much higher QA cost to manage all the hardware compatability : derelict515
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                        Why aren't all PC games of similar scale $60 then? : WhatIsThisFor
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                          Why wasn't MW1 $60? : WhatIsThisFor
                          • Probably because market analysis showed that $50 was the best price point at that time based on the game ... : OverloadUT
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                            because PC gamers throw a shit fit about how they're getting fucked and how they're entitled to $100 mill... : derelict515
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                              All I see here is speculation and you didn't answer my questions. : WhatIsThisFor
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                                Reasons to increase prices that havent changed in a decade: Inflation, soaring development costs, lower p... : derelict515
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                                  Why are you so upset by people complaining the price hike? : WhatIsThisFor
                                  • I can't speak for derelict but the entitlement attitude is annoying. It's supply and demand. They think t... : OmegaRed59
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                    How are they "the exact same?" The 360 version runs on the Xbox 360, and because of that, $10 is added to... : Felraiser
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                      Why is the PC version a less valuable object to a consumer? As far as I can tell, a 360 user and a PC use : OverloadUT
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                        I think you'd have to admit that consumer valuation of products depends on the status quo for that produc : Felraiser
                        • I agree that having it stand out in context does draw negative attention. And I understand why people wou... : OverloadUT
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                Because the developer has to play licensing fees to publish the game on consoles that don't exist on PC. : Nali4Freedom
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                  See above. I fail to see why that matters to the consumer in any way. The vast majority of consumers are ... : OverloadUT
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                    It matters because the game is more expensive for no apparent reason? It doesn't matter that most consume... : Nali4Freedom
                    • I don't know why I put a question mark at the end of that first sentence. : Nali4Freedom
          • Then why wasn't GTA4 $60 bucks on PC? They sure didn't seem to have a problem with keeping the price the ... : MercFox1
      • Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon is a better album than Britney Spear's Circus and the cost reflects th... : mrwolf710
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      the excuse for the $10 hike in console games was the whole licensing fees/dev kits thing, but in reality ... : mikecyb
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        oh, compare that to $50 per copy and you need to sell 842k copies to break even. : mikecyb
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          well which is better in the long run, cheaper games that make it easier for consumer to make an 'impulse'... : deathofrats
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            That argument doesn't work for all games. Remember 2K tried to introduce value priced sports titles and t... : Fred Garvin
            • not for all games, yes, but for an already crowded genre in a soon to be hectic buying season, i think it... : deathofrats
            • Aren't they still doing that? I thought the new NBA game came out at $20 on PC. : crummynz
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      $10. : mwasher
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        Yeah? It's $50 vs $60, btw, not $0 vs $10. And in a few years it'll be $60 vs $70..and im sure you'll p... : deathofrats
        • games cost $60 way back in the day so maybe it'll go back down to $50? who knows. but the spiralling co... : mwasher
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          It's also a 20% increase. Are we getting 20% more content? : yacoub35
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            the developers spent a whole lot more than 20% on development of this compared to CoD1 but you expect the... : derelict515
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              CoD4, not CoD1. nice try though. also, how much money did they make from CoD4, i wonder? i remember it so... : yacoub35
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                I very intentionally compared it to CoD1. The games cost the same to you but cost orders of magnitude dif... : derelict515
                • It's because they are concerned that they lack the talent to develop for the god anointed sovereign of ga... : Wisp!
          • yup, its called spec ops. : HisKillSkill
          • You sure are getting better graphics than a $50 game from 2003. : OmegaRed59
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      It is funny people are bitching this much about the price hike when it still is not even keeping up with ... : Evil Benius
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        Is there some rule that limits bitching to products whose costs increase faster than inflation? Consum... : jim bone
        • People keep saying they're getting less for their money at $60 (am I getting 20% more content?). The answ... : derelict515
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        Fuck inflation, consumer's income has not risen since 2000. There recession certainly hasn't helped. That... : Wisp!
        • But the same people who complain about the increase still buy tons of video games per year. Just because ... : OmegaRed59
  • I wish I could INF this twice : EricZBA
  • Remo's post is perfect. : MercFox1
  • Chris Remo for the win. : Godhatesfatpeople
  • Chris outlines well what this move takes away from PC gaming; I'd argue further that it doesn't really ad... : Felraiser
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    i disagree with this comment, given that he hasnt experienced what the new multiplayer experience will be... : spiderfill
    • Sure he has. We all have. It's called L4D before the patch. : LoioshDwaggie
• There is a vigorous discussion about this on the front page. I suggest you avoid it if you value your san : Fred Garvin
• I'm still a little confused--does anyone know is IW.Net actually going to be hosting servers, or is it ju... : Horseshorses
• I can guarantee that there will be no australian servers for MW2 : filthysock
• Actually, this is good news for me. Its settles an internal debate I've been having with myself in befor : IHATEDUST
• This would be an epic time for a developer to backtrack at the overwhelming demand of its fanbase. I'd lo... : royalally
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  I'd love to see their data about people not being able to get into matches. Seems like there are always ... : mrwolf710
  • yup, they're just lying to bleed us dry. It's impossible that a server browser might confuse a new gamer ... : derelict515
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    Just because there are 1000s of people playing CoD4 does not mean that there wouldn't be 10000s of people... : OverloadUT
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      You mean because you were too thick-headed to favorite a good server? : Wisp!
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        So finding a good server and favoriting it is the only way to go? And then what if that server is full? D... : OverloadUT
        • So now you will _only_ get retarded servers. I don't understand this discussion. The current system ha... : Tchest
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  I'm willing to give it a try. Let's see how it works before we bash it. : PenicillinX57
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    absurd! : derelict515
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      But you've been saying the system will be a net gain, without having tried it. How are you any better? : Felraiser
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        I'm trusting the people that made last year's most popular multiplayer game to do things right, and recen... : derelict515
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          Except Infinity Ward didn't make last year's most popular multiplayer game. : azshack
          • I think you meant 'oh ho ho look at how well I can ignore the real meat of a post' : derelict515
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  matchmaking is such a pile. it sucked in L4D, for example. just give me a server browser and I'll choose ... : yacoub35
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    it sucked on L4D because valve dont know how to make a proper matchmaking system. : HisKillSkill
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      the best "matchmaking" system is me with a server browser that lists the ping, player names, rules, map, ... : yacoub35
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        but you are a minority of their customers who will be playing multiplayer : derelict515
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          so that's why they spent all the resources reinventing mp when they could have left it the way ALL of the... : yacoub35
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            yeah, except replace ALL with 'a minority' since their market research as posted on the frontpage suggest... : derelict515
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              you're arguing in favor of simplistic and restrictive -- taking control away from the player -- but calli... : yacoub35
              • ... Jesus Christ. I called you dense for saying: so that's why they spent all the resources reinventin : derelict515
  • *holds up a lighter : Wolfanoz
• WHY ISN'T SHACKNEWS REPORTING THIS? GOD WHAT DO THEY JUST RSS FEED AND COPY THEIR STORIES FROM "REAL" NE : ejectorpod
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  COD4 mp on PC is a mess. The game was designed for 6vs6 or 9vs9 AT MOST and yet almost every PC servers a... : HisKillSkill
  • I love that.... the way it was meant to be played. Many failing software developers use that mentality...... : zipper76
• I will now rent or buy used on 360 to spite IW : retarded talking dinosaur
• MW2 will be my first console FPS that I *will* give a good try for (PS3). I've played others, but I refu... : sukabljat
• Hey guys, what's going on? : freakynipples69

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  mamaboo : pieman
  • Wow thanks. : Johnnsen
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  Portal got my girlfriend into FPS. Try that, as first person puzzler, it will get her started. : kaddar0
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    Another vote for portal : Schnapple
    • yea thats about all i can think of. : jonin
    • Yes, the ultimate un-FPS FPS. : zipr
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    my 12 year old sister played portal the other day with my Novint Falcon! : MrBig0
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      Is that worth picking up when it drops in price? : ColoradoCNC
      • it's SO GOOD, best purchase i've made in a while : MrBig0
  • Great suggestion. : steauengeglase
  • My gf liked research and development more than portal. R&d is highly recommended for vag gamers! : Wheatloaf
• You just ruled out every fps with that list. Wait, what about Nerf Arena? I doubt you could find it, t... : aggressor
• TF2 : H@rvester
• Not really an FPS, but Portal is probably a good place to start : maulla
• Portal : fishbone
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  You need a slower FPS than those two. TF2 would be fucking terrible for someone brand new to FPS; same wi... : OverloadUT
  • Oh dur Portal : OverloadUT
  • Yeah thought the same about TF2, I think that is a little overwhelming if you are new to it. Crysis is... : Johnnsen
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    On the one hand, Crysis is relatively complex. On the other hand, it tends to heavily reward thinking ov... : Arcanum
    • Maybe Crysis after she plays Portal to get the hang of general FPS controls. : Arcanum
  • I dunno, my girlfriend had barely played an FPS on PC and picked up TF2 pretty quick. : ColoradoCNC
• Portal, maybe. : Haku-Jin
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  Duke3d.exe : CrustaR
  • Fucking executive file. : zebosausamite
  • seriously this. : ass-street
  • I agree with CrustaR : Dschinghis Khan
  • It will single-handedly impregnate her. : Mad Brahmin Disease
  • Adult mode off? : thejm4n
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    {b eduke32.exe }b : Marrbe
    • Let's try that again: eduke32.exe : Marrbe
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  With military context I meant things like ArmA. Basically everything action like. Portal is an idea, ... : Johnnsen
  • Portal may be a bit difficult on some levels (Where you have to shoot several portals in succession) so b... : Fayk
  • Curses to the "no edit rule". :P I meant "Everything action related is fine basically". : Johnnsen
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  Doom 3 would be a good primer : semaphore
  • Yeah that's not dark or scary. o_O : Johnny Law
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  battlefield heroes is perfect. it's not all about your skill in shooting and it's a hell of a lot of fun ... : cptstern
  • Good suggestions, thanks! I totally forgot about that. : Johnnsen
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    This is a really good suggestion. My daughter picked up BF Heroes pretty easily when she was 4, so I assu... : angrytaxman
    • my 5 year old was watching me play (cuz he wanted to see what types of games I played) ..the phone rang I... : cptstern
• Quake3 with blood off and tard bots. : JT
• Keyboard + Doom, then Quake 1 + Mouse : deKaf
• my gf likes L4D give it a try. : RogerDandy
• now I want to replay portal. : thekidd
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  FEAR 2 would be perfect : sreyes22
  • Nothing scary... Riiiiiiiight. She'll love the ending with the rape scene. nice : jcrockerman
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  What's wrong with HL2+easy+godmode? : nevlos
  • For serious, it took this long to recommend HL2? Or maybe a HL2 mod, since there's tons of them floa... : lolpatrol
• Portal, or maybe something 3rd person to start with like a Tomb Raider game. : peetabix01
• I'd say the Half-Life 2 series fits that bill. : CoreContingency
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  XIII , cartoony and she might even know about the ip (note I never played that game no idea if its good) : Frush81
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    That game sucks. :[ : CrustaR
    • Some liked it, some didn't, it's pretty easy for the most part though. : one random winner
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      I wouldn't say it sucks, just standard fare. : steauengeglase
      • Dude, stealth missions. :[ : CrustaR
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    Why would you expect his mom to know about a 25 year old Belgian comicbook? : SiW.
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      I dont know? because my mom knew about it? : Frush81
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        Are you Belgian? : SiW.
        • nah french canadian : Frush81
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  Start from the beginning - DOOM using jDoom or zDoom. Or maybe Halflife 1 : TroZ
  • But Wolf 3D was the beginning. : Totenjaeger
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  No One Lives Forever and Sequel. : barichnikov
  • EOT : r3dn3ck
  • Another great suggestion! : angrytaxman
  • ^^^^^ My suggestions as well. : Home Nugget
• Unreal Tournament 3 online. Might as well push her into the deep end. Sink or swim, moms! : bipolar
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  FPS, really? Does she understand the types of gameplay? You'd be more likely to find a 3rd person RPG... : cerealSAM2
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    Well she speaks 5 languages so I expect her to understand what deathmatch means. : Johnnsen
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      I wasn't suggesting she couldn't. If all she sees is you playing and she likes the cool graphics and th... : cerealSAM2
      • Sounds perfect for a fishing cougar. : one random winner
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  nolf, nolf 2 : re-verse
  • ^^this man knows. : arcane_
  • One more vote for these : ysbreker
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  Pics of your mom. : voodooraze
  • haha oh shack, how I love thee : JohnnyRey
• Noah's Ark for the SNES : deathofrats
• Portal and maybe Unreal Tournament 99? : baconisgod
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  Oblivion/Fallout 3, Serious Sam : retardhumper
  • Fallout 3 is kinda complex with the weight, minicomputer, world map, vast, repair weapons, radiation.... : davidc02
  • Oblivion is definitely a good way to get started. : Ride-My-Rocket
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  Nerf Arena Blast : Baba Ghanoush
  • Actually that is a great idea. I think I have it. : OmegaRed59
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  I think Half Life 2 is the best option : davidc02
  • Those Spider fights can be quite difficult thought : davidc02
  • I agree... it's pretty long though. : crummynz
• When I started a similar thread, people suggested Bioshock... My gf liked Crysis but it is kind of di... : davidc02
• Serious Sam? : edgewise
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  • and by modern I mean full mouse movement as opposed to the pre-quake stuff. : old and busted vs the new hotness
• Shadow Warrior, if cartoony violence is OK. : dognose
• CS 1.6 : sesmaster
• Make her became John Romero`s bitch - Daikatana - That`s where i started FPSing and I turned out great. : supi
• Unreal tournament with bots. : Geoffrois
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  I bet she could beat half life before papboo does : gmd
  • sparklys unborn child will beat half life before papboo does : Degenerate
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  While dark, and somewhat scary, have her play THIEF : Rag and Bone Man
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    Thief and Thief 2 took years off my life. : Haku-Jin
    • I nearly crapped my pants trying to lockpick a door while a guard was slowly walking back. I ended up ge... : Rag and Bone Man
• Alice. Might be a bit dark and creepy though. : Sze Ior
• Chex Quest it's Doom but with CHEX! I believe it is freeware and can probably download it somewhere. : Yabrodan
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  might I suggest Halo? or does it have to be PC training? : Downforce
  • They made Halo for the PC. This is actually a really good suggestion. It's super easy on the easiest di... : Ormsbee
  • i like the Halo idea : threeup
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  This thread has really made me realize that all FPS games are some combination of the three things you ar... : Dave-A
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    He should have asked for a FPS without guns. : Geoffrois
    • I got some good suggestions out of here tho. : Johnnsen
• Try her with Oblivion. Given the right computer/mods it's a nice and pretty open world for her to explore... : Snuffles-
• another vote for portal : indosauros
• is she hot? : freakord
• max payne + first person mod : mista mista
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  Serious Sam, the first couple of encounters. Set it to tourist mode. : AlvinKlein
  • flower blood!!!! : spiderfill
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  Metroid Prime 3. Easy to control and awesome. : Cihte
  • this is probably PC-only huh. ignore me! : Cihte
• Is there an Silent Hill: FPS. That sounds right up her alley. :) : Totenjaeger
• STALKER, start her out on one of the lab levels. : sanchez
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  Tron 2.0. And yeah, Portal seems to fit all your filters well. : AxeMan808
  • Ooo..Maybe Jedi Academy/Outcast? : AxeMan808
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.U.R.L. lol : Chandler55
• I hope no one minds this, but I'd suggest Nerf Arena Blast: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerf_Arena_Blast : LoioshDwaggie
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  My mom's head would explode if she tried to play an FPS, lol. She can't even watch me play. : shwortdogg
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    My mom will only play flight sims. : dognose
    • lies. women can't fly planes!! : yacoub35
• Put her in front of a server browser and call her a goddamn moron if she can't find a good game in 5 minu... : derelict515

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  Man, old school bedtime stories were brutal. They were meant to be cautionary tales often. I mean look at... : Fred Garvin
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    It's still not as harsh as you make it out to be. They created great origins with endings that taught a l... : Godhatesfatpeople
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      Little Mermaid? Sea Foam. Little Red Riding Hood? Grandma EATEN. Goldilocks needs a B&E charge. Don't eve... : AxeMan808
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        At the end of the original little mermaid she dies and goes to purgatory because she isn't human, and the... : ZombieAcademy
        • then why does she go to purgatory? Isn't the purpose of purgatory to cleanse souls so that they can be le... : Megara9
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          The way I recall is she dealt with the Sea Hag to be allowed 1 day on land with the "prince". There may h... : AxeMan808
          • yeah I remember the sea-foam ending : Megara9
          • Maybe I'm thinking of another one, but basically it was a princess story and they lived happily ever afte... : ZombieAcademy
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      read the original Grimm's and Hans Christian Anderson stories in the original form. Violence, blood, tort... : Fyunch Click
      • I read those as a kid thanks to my grandmother. They were done in such a poetic manner that the themes us... : Godhatesfatpeople
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    my grandma has awesome ones involving rivers of blood :D : Megara9
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      Was this to stop your curiosity with tampons? : Godhatesfatpeople
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        lol.. I don't think she's ever seen a tampon.... but no, in the story the blood was from a giant whose da... : Megara9
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          WOAH, is this a known folktale? Do you by chance know the name of it? :D : Godhatesfatpeople
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            Sounds like an old-school fairy tale. Irish or German, maybe? The old-school fairies, aka the fey or si... : Arcanum
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              Actually we're Swedish - far, far northerners, too (like, north of the arctic circle). Trolls aren't bad ... : Megara9
              • there was also something in there about eating fish-heads and gaining some kind of magical power... in ca... : Megara9
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                Lapplander? : underground banana plantation
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                  yup! lol : Megara9
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                    you poor soul :( I actually know nothing of them, but my Swedish friend is a Lapplander and is always ... : underground banana plantation
                    • yeah they are but I don't care cuz we're awesome ;D : Megara9
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                Hmm. I recognize the blood-drinking butterfly fey from other fairy tales. Don't remember their name, th... : Arcanum
                • they may have been moths or some other winged bug... I'm not sure. I know that butterflies actually do ge... : Megara9
    • Ah she read Bible stories? : Mad Brahmin Disease
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    Nothing beats Struwwelpeter for scaring kids. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struwwelpeter : MisterClaw
    • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilaire_Belloc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cautionary_tale : AxeMan808
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      "Die Geschichte von dem wilden Jäger" (The Story of the Wild Huntsman) is the only story not primarily : dirge23
      • It bet it ends with someone suing McDonald's. : Mad Brahmin Disease
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      There are also the tales of "Black Peter" :D : Godhatesfatpeople
      • DISHWA! : AxeMan808
    • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashchei_the_Immortal : Godhatesfatpeople
  • Grimm was plenty fucked up : d fluke
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  I find it extremely hypocritical for someone who has never raised a child to criticize parents raise thei... : deathofrats
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    I think he makes a valid point - if it's too scary for your kids, don't take them to see the film. It's 1... : Megara9
    • We should make all movies like G-Force so that EVERYONE of all ages can have a happy jolly time! god : Drewus
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    i find it extremely hypocritical for someone who has never written a story to tell an author how to write... : lja83
    • I find it extremely hypocritical for someone who has never made Call Of Duty Modern Warfare Two to tell s... : crummynz
  • RTFA He's not telling them how to raise their kids. He's saying that he's sick and tired of parents bitc... : Cubictoast
  • wouldn't it be more hypocritical if he had kids? : not work safe
  • i find it annoying that parents expect everything to revolve around their fucking kids. Often bitching ab... : theWhite
• hah, awesome : opengl128
• what is the anticipated harm here? are kids going to be so traumatized by a movie or something that they'... : dirge23
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  WAH Demon's Souls is brutally hard! No one should be allowed to make hard games any more! WAH : walker270
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    Oddly enough, that was the first thing that popped into my mind. Demon's Souls in bedtime story form. : omnova
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