Morning Discussion
Fallout 3: Game of the Year Edition also arrives today and I'd be curious to hear from people inspired by Fallout 3 to go back and play 1 or 2 for the first time. Going by the success of the lawsuit-inspiring rerelease, there must be a fair number of you out there, so how did you find it? Perhaps you've been similarly inspired by another series?
Personally, I gave up on my recent first crack at Grand Theft Auto 3 after becoming stuck on an mission I knew would be a cinch with a motorbike or helicopter. Frustrating.
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Based on the advice I received in yesterday's morning chatty, I decided to try for Pure Black and Pure White world tendency in world 2. I entered 2-1, suicided, returned to Nexus, used Stone of Ephemeral Eyes, and repeated until the WT hit Pure Black. I entered 2-1 again, found and killed the Primeval Demon (creepy) and journeyed onward into 2-2 to find Black Phantom Scirvir.
Well, being the bloody fool that I am, I forgot to bring a bow. This meant that I couldn't beat him the easy way by luring him into falling off the ledge. I tried going in with my spells and my sword and he blew me out of my boots with one fireball. I died another 5 or 6 times whilst trying to find some way to kill the bastard. Baiting him out with Soul Arrow didn't work (not enough range), jumping to a lower platform after getting his attention didn't work (he just went back to his spawn point) and trying to shield bash him into the pit didn't work (he lol'd and blew me up).
On the verge of giving up, I decide to try one more time. I pull out my Scraping Spear instead of my sword and take cover behind the wooden scaffold to the right of the cave opening. He comes out, lobs some fireballs (which the wooden supports protect me from) and moves closer. Then he moves to the left, near the edge of the pit.
I hop out, certain that I'm about to be roasted alive, and start frantically jabbing at him with my spear. The hits are fast enough that I basically stun-lock him, and the fourth jab sends him over the edge just as I run out of stamina. He falls to a lower walkway and dies on impact.
I almost had a fucking stroke. I screamed at the TV in primal joy and made my way down to loot his corpse.
Then I moved on to the 2-3 boss and beat him after a few more deaths. I returned to the Nexus, at which point I saw the world 2 now had Pure White tendency (for killing 3 special demons: primeval, black phantom, and boss). I returned to 2-3, picked up the Dragon Bone Smasher, then went farther back and showed it to normal human Scirvir to get a shiny rock.
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Ahh that reminds me, before I go and kill the final boss I should probably go through each world with black tendency to kill the black phantoms and whatever nasty awaits me.
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Hmm, so has anybody actually killed King Allant by themselves without losing a soul level? I tried killing him yesterday but could'nt seem to touch him without losing a few soul levels. How annoying. When your level 100+ you work pretty damn hard for those souls.
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Haha how many Soul Levels did you lose to him?
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So you basically melee'd him or did him from range.
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Ahh so needless to say, your scuffle with King Allant was a long one?
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He can be pretty hard, I'm a perfectionist so when I get nailed for a soul level i'd be pretty upset about it. However I'm sure I can avoid it but will mean that I gotta ding the king a bit at a time.
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Awesome, I'm pretty sure you will have a blast.
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Yikes, I must be rushing through the game too fast. I'm at 26 hours and level 108 Soul level and only have the final boss to kill.
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New game + was a bitch starting out for me the first time. I can only imagine how important blue phantoms are going to be end game. I shutter at the thought of how hard King Allant will be.
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I'll probably do this too. This being my first playthrough I've missed many Crystal Lizard spawns, probably screwed up my character build, and generally made a mess of things at times. I'll probably create a new character after I beat it, try a more fine-tuned build, and make sure I do all of the WT events and get all of those damned lizards I can.
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I think with mine, I put too much into luck and that is at 13. I put enough dex in so that I could use the white bow then stopped. I did the same for strength so I could use every weapon. I wish I would of put more into Magic, Int and Faith right away.
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Dont forget about ranking, there is player ranking for various things like most souls collected, etc. This game almost has infinite replayability with all the stuff to do and online mechanics plus you can reach all the way to soul level 712 if you have enough patience for that.
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Well I hear that after beating new game + it really does'nt get much harder.
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Yea I almost forgot about that. I will not be looking forward to some of those bosses. Some bosses were a pain in my butt the first time around. I hated the flamelurker, old hero and obviously King Allant because he's such a huge prick.
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Sadly there is not. Maybe Demons Souls 2 will have it. With the success of this game, i cant see why they would not make another one. Reading the japanese article behind the developer for this game, he says that this game was more or less an experiment ..... I cant wait to see what else he has up his sleeve.
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I finally beat world 3...
Phantom Legions - I found out that melee may not be the best choice for these guys. Fighting at range was much easier! My first try on the 2nd legion before the maneater was a backstab that sent him flailing off the edge, talk about revenge!
Maneater - I beat him my 2nd shot. I tried running by him the first time. He immediately pounced on me and sent me flying off the side..... whoops!
Old Monk - What a let down! On the import version apparently no one was available to fight me. At lvl 70 this guy was a pushover!-
Old Monk - I actually had a player to fight for the first time. Asian version I did not get the luxury. So I was pretty excited about that.
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A friend told me this was the spiritual successor to the King's Field series, is that correct?
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I should read wikipedia before I ask that I guess -- King's Field IV was released several years later for the PlayStation 2 on October 4, 2001. A spiritual successor to the series, named Demon's Souls, was released February 5, 2009 in Japan for the PlayStation 3.
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Yeah, it's the same people
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Question for those of you who have the game: Is there any bullshit with motion control? If there is, can you option to turn it off?
I'd like to pick it up (maybe for Christmas, I have spent so much on games this month) but I hate games that require you to shake your controller in a masturbatory fashion.-
There is no motion control (unless you do the stupid emotes that no one does)
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Fantastic. Adding it to my list.
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Fucking hate PS3 motion control and I am glad devs for the PS3 aren't including it as much anymore. Such a shitty 'feature'
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I hate it too, seriously fucks games up when they try and incorporate it into gameplay
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I wish devs would add more NON-GAMEPLAY motion control- say in demons souls, maybe hold a button and motion will do emotes, or have some superficial visual effect on the character: just random optional stuff. I'm a big fan of motion control for fun stuff that doesnt need any precision.
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Motion control is quickly becoming an issue of accessibility and I wish Sony would require that developers have the option to switch it off.
It's alright if developers want to toy with the motion functions, just so long as they have an option that allows the gamer to switch it off. I didn't realize how irritating it was until I kept dieing on a hard run-through in Uncharted, all due to the stupid zombies, which you have to shake the controller to throw them off.
I'm praying Uncharted 2 doesn't follow suit.
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Uncharted 2 has ZERO motion controls in it.
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dudes only take 1-3 bullets!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Headshot detection is a lot better to. God 3:45 needs to fucking roll around already.
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haha that lunch looks fucking terrible
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That's great news. I couldn't find any information about the controls in reviews :(
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I didnt even know you could do emotes with motion controls. Thought you always held down X then a menu would come up.
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Yeah, you can hold down X and do the motion control before the menu comes out.
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Haha I might have to give that a try.
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Killzone 2's scoped breath control was also a really good use. I guess it was intended to simulate holding steady, but it was really useful for fine-tuning shots at extreme range without fiddling with the thumbsticks much.
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I was talking with my wife last night about the game and came up with a great analogy: Demon's Souls is a lot like Judge Judy, tough but fair.
Sooo true.
I'm still marveling at the fact that I spent 4 hours (roughly) trying to beat 1-4. I've wrapped up all the other worlds reaching level 69. It's tough. I made it all the way to the blue dragons second face off but no matter what I seem to do I get my face melted.
My spells don't seem to reach him from any safe spot, and when I attempt to get closer I get toasted so that essentially cripples me completely.
I'm almost convinced that I cannot solo this with this build.-
There is a pattern to his fire breath attack. Just stand at the foot of the stairs and observe for a minute or two, you'll see it. Basically it involves running up the left side, then swerving over to the right, then back to the middle, if you do it right you'll get by unscathed. It's really fucking annoying though, and between that and constant black phantom invasions, 1-4 is easily the toughest level in the game.
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A good strategy to beat the Blue Dragon: Get him to kill the two Fat Ministers. Take off all your equipment and make a mad dash past him to the other side of the walkway (start running right after he starts to breathe on the walkway, so you are chasing the flames). Keep running, running, running like a constipated wiener dog, around the corners, up the big stairs, and right to the main doorway of the castle. If you ran fast enough the dragon will not have enough time to reposition and blast you with his fiery death breath. Then you can plink his chin with your arrows until he dies. Fin.
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yesterday I was playing 3-1 and I left my mark to join someones game like I normally do and something happened that never happened before suddenly there was this cutscene with a decaying man on a throne in a room surrounded by chairs. He summons this weird glowing red guy with a huge tornado looking hat. Turns out the guy he summons is me and now I'm invading someones world?! I ran around the room a bit and realized there wasn't anywhere I could go, the only doorway out was blocked with fog so I figured I had to wait for whoever was playing to enter this room. I hid to the side of the door in a dark corner and waited. I heard him fighting monsters nearby and I knew he was getting close and I actually starting getting a bit nervous. He finally entered the fog and I can tell he was confused looking around as I slowly creeped up behind him. I attacked him first with a 2 handed strong spear attack and knocked off a good portion of his health. He turned around frantically and started dodge rolling all around the room and managed to heal up. Then he started spamming fire bolts at me keeping me at a distance while I was now put on the defensive. We continued to fight like this for a good amount of time dodging, every once in awhile I would get in close enough to stab him with my spear. Finally, I think he ran out of health herbs and I could see he was in trouble. I went fully on the offensive now and cornered him and plunged him with my spear and he died!!. I'm now the proud owner of a bunch of new souls and a freaky tornado hat. good times
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The same thing happened to me and I was horribly confused:
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What's all this talk about Black & White Tendency?
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Fuck the red skeletons in 4-1! My purple shield > your rolling around bullshit
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White Bow = rape!
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Snipe them from afar
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Here is the argument White Bow vs Lava Bow? Which one is better?
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I like the Lava Bow (just for extra fire damage) but it's more costly to get over the White Bow. White Bow is one of the best bows in the game.
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Yea, I also heard Viscous white or compound bow was pretty good.
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Thanks for pointing that out, I'm just starting to get used to these name changes and noticing the others as I owned the Asian version previously.
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haha that was my message
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(the girl sitting on the ledge behind the Blacksmith right?)
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haha, I put one of these messages down too. :)
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We were in the totally same server because I saw the one as well!
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Stick = Vicious in US version
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Hmm I thought it was Vicious. Maybe I just read it fast and assumed it was Vicious. If it was Viscous, that makes a little more sense but something that is Viscous != sticky
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You can have a high viscous rating w/o being sticky though! :D
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Fuck that - I know how to kill the little fuckers now. They can all die now.
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I just shield block until they stun themselves rolling into me. Sometimes they break soon for a swing and I roll left / right, but normally blocking roll -> stun -> 2-3 hit combo
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And with purple shield +3, I take no damage - just sta drain which is easy to recover
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4-1 = Adjucator right?
Was simple for me, stood up top with a bow and rained damage down to his weak spot on the top of his head.-
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My poor wallet. Where would be the best place to import this to the UK, if anyone has? PS3 games generally don't have region locking right?
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I've never played a game that has caused my heart to pump so hard before. I guess it happened back in the days when I was WoW raiding, but literally everytime I play Demo's Souls I have to take a break every 20 minutes or else it feels like my heart is going to jump out of my chest. This game is intense.
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Just wait till you get invaded by other players. The waiting till they finally show up and attack you is the absolute worst.
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Damn you all for making me want to buy a PS3 when I'm totally broke! Damn you all to hell!
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Speculation regarding Demon's Souls 2
Given the critical success of Demon's Souls, it seems likely that a DSouls 2 will eventually grace our consoles. But will that be a good thing?
Commercialism scares me. Nobody saw DSouls coming, so its popularity is sweeping through the gaming community. However, I'm sure that overall, sales won't be exceptional because, let's face it, this game will not appeal to every gamer. But could that plant a seed in the publisher's mind to dumb down DSouls 2 so that it's more commercially appealing?
I do hope From Software sticks to the design philosophy of the original, but in this climate, it would be hard for a game with such a niche fan base--masochists unite!--to survive. I know I'd buy it regardless, but I worry that design sacrifices will be made to earn a few extra bucks.-
I don't think the core mechanics of the Armored Core series has changed (for the worse) since the series debuted.
If anything, I'd put From Software in the category of devs that doesn't particularly give a fuck about making games for mass appeal. They try something out, find a market, and continue to put out games catering specifically to the market even if it prevents that segment from growing. A Demon's Souls 2 will probably be exactly like Demon's Souls, with more detail in some areas that aren't well fleshed out (where ever they may be).-
That'd be fine with me!
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It will likely be difficult to better the experience and add totally new things to this particular game, you can't really make it harder without feeling cheep, and you can't make it easier without hurting your fledgling fanbase. Walking the exact same line with enough new to make it a valid sequel is a very difficult thing to do.
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Agreed. First of all I would like to see some DLC to add a new world for that broken archstone. Beyond that, I think the best option would be the exact same core gameplay in a sequel with all new worlds to explore, plus new items, spells, enemies, etc. The mechanics, as far as I'm concerned, are damn near perfect. All a DS sequel needs to get my money is more content.
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Are you kidding? You NEVER get to enter the Giant's Archstone? The broken one next to the Tower of Latria? That's ridiculous! I was hoping the wax eyed lady would open it up for a final area once you levelled up enough. I'm kinda bummed now... Might play L4D instead for today.. And how are you guys seeing the level numbers? As far as I know there are just names.
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I'd love to see some DLC for that stone to open up.
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Well, from what I remember of the Armored Core reviews, the biggest reason they tend to get poor/mediocre reviews would fall under the "valid sequel" criteria. The games aren't popular enough to avoid taking the "not original" hit for being the same thing with new items + locales.
If there is a sequel to Demon's Souls and it followed the AC formula, I'd expect new worlds, new weapons, new spells, and maybe some tweaks to the combat mechanics that doesn't drastically effect the game's feel. I think they did the same thing with the Tenchu and Otogi series as well...
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From Software has a pretty good track record of not gimping anything. I'd expect Demons Souls 2 to be nothing more than exceptional.
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All I have to say is, if this is what counts as "brutally difficult," I wonder what adjectives they'd have to use for old NES-era hard games.
I'd call the game "unforgiving." The game doesn't do anything to help you along the way, and it certainly doesn't reward you for fucking up. You're not given a cryotube every 10 feet, and you're certainly not awarded with experience if you fail an area. Wearing heavy equipment has a penalty, and you're certainly not free to do whatever you like and expect to win. The game isn't open enough to play it any way you like and still be easy -- you have to learn its system. Do that and the game becomes significantly easier. Refuse, and it's ridiculously difficult.
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It's the 5 game in this series, so yes, there will be a sequel.
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I played the first King's Field and from what I remember it had about 0 in common with Demon's Souls, although I vaguely remember being fucking terrified of dying in that game too (and getting raped a few times for biting off more than I could chew) but I don't remember why. It was a pretty cool (though flawed) game iirc.
The two definitely have a lot less in common than say, SS2 and Bioshock
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I wouldn't mind a slightly easier way to coordinate co-op sessions with friends in the next game. At least there's text chat to coordinate where the blue stone gets dropped, but still, kind of a pain.
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Pure White Tendency in World 2
So I already beat the 2-2 boss, and from what I read getting pure white tendency is now impossible to get in that world? I can kill the two phantoms after getting pure dark tendency (ala dying, reviving body, killing them), but can't get enough +white tendency to make it pure white, is that right?-
You can still get PWT if the 2-3 boss is alive. Get PBT by suiciding in body form, then kill the Primeval Demon and Black Phantom Scirvir. Then go kill the 2-3 boss, Dragon God. That got me to PWT.
Basically on any given world you need to kill the Primeval Demon, the named Black Phantom NPC, and any one of the bosses to go from PBT to PWT.-
Sweet! I actually went to fight Dragon God and he fuckin almost killed me in 1 hit, I don't think I knew what I was doing so I ran back to the Nexus lol. K thanks
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I'm so confused on the White/Black Tendency bit. Like who is the Primeval Demon? When you kill a demon it doesn't name them like that to my knowledge it just has the name by the health bar and such like Tower Knight and Adjudicator. So those are boss Demons I'm assuming? I've killed 2 Red Glowing guys before at the same point, are these Black Phantoms? There's not exactly good literature for this in the manual and any form of in-game help doesn't exist or is so obscured as to be useless. Thanks in advance for any answers!
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Yea there are 2 more phantoms that show up in each "World" when you get Pure Dark Tendency. 1 is the Primeval Demon, and the other is a unique character, hence has a name. Once you kill those 2 phantoms you get "almost" PURE white world tendency, but you must kill a Boss phantom while in soul form to get all the way to PURE white world tendency, and therby unlocking new NPC's and items etc. To get Pure Dark Tendency you need to get yourself killed while in BODY form like 5 times or something. Bascially just keep eating those things that give you your body back and dying in that world and eventually it will turn black.
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Poison Cloud, Death Cloud. I have not dabbled in magic much but the higher your magic power, does that increase how much damage each of those do. Currently I'm only noticing that Poison Cloud does only 5 points of dmg per second and I wouldn't mind that it did more.
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I blame the commentary on that quick look and this game cannot really be taken in just watching 20-30 minutes. Also Ryan sucked at it lol
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He is only posting how he feels. I would be confused also if i watch that video after all of the rage. I am enjoying the game and the feelings I get when playing don't translatate in the video.
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To be honest, whoever was playing in that review was an idiot.
For example, a creature is throwing firebombs at him from above, he doesn't even move the camera to see where its coming from. Instead, he just wanders back and forth in the same spot, talking about how brutal and frustrating the game is, while being repeatedly set on fire.
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I got the strong impression the reviewers didn't really want to bother trying to play the game with anything more than a half-hearted effort.
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I just read online that the guy I relased from the cage last night in 3-2 guy in Black armourn, name is Yurt, is a bad dude that goes around killing NPCs! I knew he was a shady character, but he said "I am here to help you kill demons" fuckkkk I hope Everyone is still alive at the Nexus, I'm gonna rape his face when I get home from work-
he drops sweet ass armor when you kill him in the nexus
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couldn't he set the internal clock of the ps3 back several hours, kill the dude, then reset the clock to the correct time? if he wanted to "cheat" that is
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So can I just go to 3-2 and kill him where I freed him? I am assuming yes
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I'm waiting to get both my console and this game some i'm not clicking the spoilers. I think that makes this post all the better.
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Red Dragon down, many shiny things acquired. For reference, with a +3 compound longbow and 22 strength it took about 40 arrows, around 10 minutes.
I was doing it in body-form and I actually got invaded for the first time during this... twice. I actually didn't even notice the first invasion had started (I wonder if the invasion messages display properly in first-person aiming mode) until I got a big message saying that the invading phantom was dead. Dunno if that means he just quit out of the game, or maybe the dragon toasted him.
The second invader found me up on the tower where I was dragon hunting, so we were fighting up there while the dragon kept doing his passes. Epic! He had some nasty weapon that caused bleeding, but I had anti-bleeding hotkeyed, so nyahh. I really would have liked to finish my first invader encounter with a victory, but when I had him down to a sliver he ran down the stairs to heal, and the targetting lock for soul arrow didn't cooperate (maybe a stairs thing?). Then he came back up and killed me. :-(
Anyway, after coming back and killing the dragon I collected the Purple Flame Shield and went back through 1-1 to exact vengeance on the red-eyed knight. Man... that area is so easymode now with any of my current equipment, and the PFS with a +3 spear is just nuclear overkill, even against red-eyes. Funny how this level used to frighten me.
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You get a nice fat soul, but no trophy.
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I LOVE going back to that first red knight and raping his face. He caused me so much grief when I first started playing.
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I believe that key is the one you get for rescuing Ostrava in 1-1, then 1-2, then 1-3 and then meeting him in 1-4. Or you can kill him any time to get his key. Or if he dies in a level on his own you can loot him for the key.
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Hahahaha respawn? This isn't your grandma's game!
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Yeah, having Phantoms makes the game MUCH easier and much safer. Most Phantoms know its their job to run ahead because their penalty for death is nothing compared to yours.
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Both are fun. Playing AS a Phantom is a great way to learn a level for the first time because you can just run around without fear. You can't tell where items are though.
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Yes. You get souls for every enemy that is killed, and more importantly, you get your body back if you successfully assist in killing the boss. The boss is not dead for you, but you get your body back so you can summon Phantoms yourself and go kill him again for real!
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Not as far as I can tell. There's no reason not to summon people unless you like a bigger challenge.
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Can we talk weapon upgrades?
I currently have +3 winged spear, halberd, and compound longbow, so they are at the point where I could choose to specialize their upgrades. I have the materials to go quality or mercury for the spear, quality for the halberd (close to reqs for crushing or dragon too), and quality or sticky for the longbow.
The "quality" path seems kinda boring. :-)
Currently I have str 22 and dex 13. Seems like I should wait on upgrading the halberd (go for crushing or dragon). Mercury spear looks cool but for best results I should start pumping up my dex?, in which case sticky would also be good for the bow. Not sure if it's otherwise worth it to dump points into dex though.
Orrrrr I could keep upgrading the bow on the non-special track and aim for eventually getting the Lava Bow. (Don't want the Scraping Spear, so I already ate that particular soul.)
Decisions! I dunno what to do.
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You know what FUCKING SUCKS? Rescuing Ostrava in every level, but in 1-3 not realizing that there was a lever to open the gate he was behind, so I don't get credit for the save (even though I killed the guys that were attacking him, talked to him, and he thanked me for saving him) so now I can never get his goddamn fucking key. FUCK.
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