Morning Discussion

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  Game Over, man. : massdev
  • Thread should have ended here. : Matto357
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  post shipping lay offs sound normal to me? What are the odds that most of those 70 people were hired for ... : moe6
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    You know, if this industry moved to a model where you hired specialist teams like movies and TV do then i... : Fred Garvin
    • I could see this happening. : one random winner
    • I read an article saying the industry was on it's way to adapting a Hollywood business model. Then ag... : freakynipples69
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      Not sure the game development industry could implement guilds/unions. Not without major publisher problem... : Fyunch Click
      • http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/4138/a_view_toward_a_game_developers_.php : freakynipples69
      • I don't know if we need unions and there are already bodies working towards standards like GANG: http:... : Fred Garvin
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      Visual effects is in the fucking tank now. If avatar doesn't do well I don't know what that will mean, bu... : ZombieAcademy
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        What's worse? Thinking you have a full time job that evaporates after ship sucks. It really sucks it it h... : Fred Garvin
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          This is why Carmack is one of the oldest working game developers - when you're 23 and right out of colleg... : Schnapple
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            People don't make games for the money, they make em cause that's what they love to do. If any person is s... : freakynipples69
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              Not entirely true. We make games for love AND money. : Fred Garvin
              • haha I guess. I'll admit, I'm struggling between choosing programming and design and the extra $20,000 a ... : freakynipples69
              • Unless you work at Activision, where you get neither love OR money. : BlackCat9
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              People who make games out of love create indie games, put them on their website, and ask for donations. ... : Schnapple
              • + Tired of being uprooted every few years, and having to move. : Frozen Pixel
            • Which is why their pay is shit. : Sacred Sperm
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              LOL I can't wait to see you get in the industry and then burn out like everyone with this attitude does. : dravalen
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                What attitude? The attitude that I know I probably will burn out? : freakynipples69
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                  The whole "love of game development" thing, it's bullshit and companies will use it to exploit you throug... : dravalen
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                    This whole topic is why I lol at people who get into programming specifically to make games, it's a trap!... : Yanks
                    • I'm getting into it because I just want to make programs that retail employees will use at registers. Eve... : freakynipples69
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            And if this industry wants to become more efficient, produce better product, etc. it has to learn to reta... : Fred Garvin
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              I just noticed that you and I keep posting the same thing every time this happens :) : Schnapple
              • Common sense isn't so common :[ : Fred Garvin
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              it also needs an established technology base that doesn't constantly change and doesn't need to be rewrit... : spiderfill
              • At this point the Unreal Engine is about as close as it gets. I do think as time goes on the NIH will be ... : Fred Garvin
            • I think it's bound to happen. Expectations are rising pretty steadily, and soon enough games are going to... : FlatlineDixay
        • What REALLY sucks is getting laid off after spending 6-8 months in 60-80 hour crunch, with no guarantee o... : deathofrats
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        also, i'm not sure where Fred Garvin is getting his information, but large scale hirings/layoffs happen a... : lja83
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          Right, but the model of small production teams that outsource to companies that specialize is pretty comm... : Fred Garvin
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            ok, i guess i can see what you mean, i will say that most of my friends aren't part of those small produc... : lja83
            • this is only the second film i've been on though, so i know i haven't seen an entire cross-section of the... : lja83
      • VFX are not in the fucking tank. The industry is definately NOT for the faint of heart though I'll give ... : Cubictoast
    • its very common to lay off industry folk for the summer and then rehire them when shooting starts again. ... : smacknca
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      EA tried to do this with the Blueprint studio. Small in-house production and "expert" team providing tec... : qsylvr
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        Also the guy who dreamed it up and was running the projects left EA to make micro-transaction-based iPhon... : qsylvr
        • Nah, that doesn't prove anything. You can't point to one example when this is an industry wide shift we a... : Fred Garvin
• ouch, thats the entire team then. Doesn't bode well for future patches. : stgdz
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  well, that doesn't bode too well for after release support. : Fyunch Click
  • Codemasters has NEVER been known for their post release support. To this day, there are several audio an... : IndigoAK
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  The industry needs some kind of shift in business model in order to maintain sustainability. There must b... : ieGod
  • Average time a developer spends with one company is something like 2 years. I remember seeing a job site ... : freakynipples69
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    I know personally of at least 10 highly talented people that have left the industry in the past 5 years n... : Fred Garvin
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      There IS an endless supply but it does hurt the overall quality of products to churn through them like ou... : acheron
      • And the costs associated with getting people up to speed and beyond and then losing them has to be fairly... : Fred Garvin
    • This is a fucking tragedy. I'm always floored when you see people with 4-6 years exp as a "Senior" level ... : dravalen
    • It's stories like this that make me think it's better to stick with computer science, this way if I do bu... : freakynipples69
• Yeah this does suck. Its also not going to inspire any confidence that bugs that may exist will get patc... : Lightzout
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  Wouldn't it be nice if every developer operated like Valve? : Wisp!
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    wouldn't work - you have to have shitty devs for the shitty people / budget titles. If everyone produc... : dedgecko
    • Maybe it would make people stop saying every 6 months that PC gaming is dead. Been dead for over 10 years... : YerMothah
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      Wait, is this a serious argument? Too many quality video games would be a bad thing? : the_burd
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        did you read everything that I wrote? There is only X millions of dollars that consumers can spend on ga... : dedgecko
        • I actually think we had too many AAA titles recently. I'm an avid gamer and I couldn't keep up. Its lik... : handofthrawn
        • This is simply untrue. Video game sales are the highest they have ever been. All this means is that peopl... : ryuuseki
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    Valve slowly grew into what they are now. The issue with a lot of developers now, is they have this 'burs... : Frozen Pixel
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      Yeah this is precisely the problem. People complain that devs have a hard time staying in business. No sh... : SenorSpine
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        There's not always another solution. Games take a fuckton of manpower, and when you strike a deal with a... : mikecyb
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          Well those problems are predominantly self imposed. I mean instead of taking out a huge loan from a publi... : SenorSpine
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            You average 360/PS3 game is probably in the 20-40mil range with marketing equaling that. With that amount... : dravalen
            • Yeah well you'll need publisher money still for sure, but I think there's a tendency to over rely on it, ... : SenorSpine
            • I'll keep that in mind next time I go buy a game for $20 on the bargain bin. : X-GOUKI
          • most developers don't start off making AAA titles right out of the gate. you work up to that. lots of c... : mikecyb
    • Valve also has fallback products. The money they make from 3rd parties on Steam could probably sustain t... : mikecyb
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    you honestly think valve wouldn't lay people off if they stopped being profitable? : gokart.
    • they totally would, but they're in such a good situation that they are looking to be profitable for quite... : deject
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    except that it takes them forever to finish a game : maulla
    • Well but that doesn't keep them from being successful and having solid, great releases. : Nitrium
  • wouldn't it be nice if you knew what the hell you were talking about once in awhile : synapse19
• Hired on project basis...? sounds normal to me. : madspacemarinemustdie
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  That's normal, and a lot of the people that are hired on for the production of the game know what they're... : sreyes22
  • It's normal if you are hired as a term contractor, not a full time employee. I've been through a few cycl... : Fred Garvin
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  i will cancel my purchase if its the case. : scener
  • hahahaha : sreyes22
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    I hope this is sarcastic but it's funny either way : lefthighkick
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      why? It's a solid statement. I buy games to support the team that made them, to show the company that w... : deathofrats
      • I buy games cause they're fun. : skinlab133
      • you're thinking in reverse chronology, though. the team was hired and paid a wage because of the assumpti... : biskits
      • Most companies do it this way though. I'm not defending the practice (I've been part of it before and it ... : thetangent
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        if they have no projects lined up why would they keep them around? : DogDharma
        • there is a difference between companies who try to line up another project and fail, and companies that k... : deathofrats
• Lots of teams have contractors to help final a game, who are done with the game. This sounds like perman... : SeaLlama
• I'm surprised the game industry doesn't work on a per-game contract basis anyway. : Mad Brahmin Disease
• While you usually don't know WTF, this is a great, interesting thread you spawned, Mr. Garvin. : Mad Brahmin Disease
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  You'd rather them be laid off when, then? Before shipping? Upon project kickoff? When, exactly? : GeorgeB3DR
  • Right before the ship party, just as the kegs are being rolled in. : aasyranth
  • During the annual family day party. : Sailor of Fortune
  • how about either after you pay them for the overtime they worked, or give them time to recoup after the m... : deathofrats
  • How about not at all? Well run companies don't lay off people on a regular basis. : Fred Garvin
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  They did the exact same shitty thing to the guys that made star wars. This is not a trend so much as ... : watcherxp
  • they should just give it a different name, like featherwarming or fozwazzling your developers : spiderfill
• You fail at business, commie. : SaggyLaybeeah

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  Use this technique: Place top on top, use credit card to smooth out rest while holding bottom taut, profi... : ryuuseki
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    This is what I do. You have to make sure the screen is SPOTLESS first though : shwortdogg
    • Yep and the guards I use kind of suck on to the screen, if the angle is off, you lift then re-align - in ... : abrasion
  • this works for me but when i put case on it squishes the protector a bit and makes a bubble : crummynz
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    Dust and bubbles get in there, every time. : abrasion
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      Do you live in the town that was infiltrated with red moon dust? : ryuuseki
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        It seems so, I just blew 2 screenguards. : abrasion
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          I thought you can just wash them and reuse them : crummynz
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            I heard weird chemical discolouration happens when tap water goes on them or some shit 0_o : abrasion
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              When I got my $1 screen cover from Monoprice I watched some youtube video of a guy putting on his expensi... : crummynz
              • Whirlpool people claim that the surface inbetween the screen and the protecter discolour, I guess I could... : abrasion
• I'd help you FOC. : moe6
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  are screenguards really necessary? i've never been able to scratch my ipod touch's screen. i put it in ... : electroly
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    Totally, it looks 100% new when you sell it. : abrasion
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      i can't blame you for that. but the screen seems like the only part that doesn't need protection. my ip : electroly
      • I also found both my nanos were very scratch resistant but one particular type of key fucking mauled one ... : abrasion
  • this has scratched both my iPod touch screens and my iPhone screen :( : zerog83
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  Make the Apple doods do it. : bombay
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    These are guards from ebay - I'm not @ a store. : abrasion
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      Take them, just make sure you schedule an apt with the Genius Bar, lolololol. : bombay
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        Stuff going to an apple store just for a screen :( : abrasion
        • I think you should, it would be hilarious. "Uh, I need to make an apt so you can put these fucking screen... : bombay
• You need to be an IT professional like me : Phreakin
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  mike has always been a saint and done them for me, although it drives him nuts. so last time i bought mor... : dahanese
  • My wife is that way, she can get those screen deals on in like a minute, perfect. Though she was a lib... : bombay
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  Go into bathroom. Turn on shower full hot for 4-5 minutes (LOTS of steam). Go back into bathroom and do... : batkiwi
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    How does that work anyhow? : abrasion
    • Humidity weighs down the dust : Dave-A
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  and god help you if there is so much as a single infinitesimal speck of dust on either your screen or the... : riptyde
  • Exactly, both my iphones have dust specs on them now :( : abrasion
• abrasion did you post this from your iPhone? : Dave-A
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  Lol a new way you suck. Srsly why se those though? : brickmatt
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    Brickmatt why so mean :( Re-sale value on the iphone and some keys do actually scratch the iphone. : abrasion
    • Different pockets. Retard. : brickmatt
• I just said fuck it and went without one. : magistersmax
• I thought it was actually worse than the 3GS screen. Smudged a lot more/easily so it didn't last long bef... : timaste
• I must've spent an hour trying to apply my screen protector on. I carefully cleaned the iphone's screen a... : mayooms
• I put one on my 3gs the moment i got it but after seeing my screen look all oily and ugly i decided to ju... : trevis

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  Staring down at that worthless propane was one of the worst feelings I've had in a game. WE'VE MADE IT TH... : LoioshDwaggie
  • Tthat was classic lols. It fell through the wood planks. It was like a movie. Amazing. : MoreVespeneGas
  • Propane is not worthless, son. Propane is God's gas. -Hank Hill : Mad_Doggie
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    What is "FUUUUUU?" I see everyone here uses it now. Is it for conjuring up images of a slow-motion "FUU... : Jobos
    • this big meme with this stupid ugly cartoon you have probably seen saying FUUUUUUUUUU (ck) : excessus
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  So what difficulty level did you get it on? : Arctic Fox
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    Truly this question tells us how manly you are. : RogerDandy
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      They had two bots! : ElArabDeMagnifico
      • EASY! Holy shit I couldn't imagine doing that on Normal / Advanced : LoioshDwaggie
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  awesome, i really need to get back into this game... its been about 4 months since i fired it up. : shadebane
  • if i could get a shack invite to the group that would be great, steam id: pill180 : shadebane
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    I need an invite also to the L4D group and the general shacknews group! Steam ID: jinx_player : Jinxplayer
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      ditto on both for me if someone would be so klind: www.steamcommunity.com/id/piett : Piett23
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        Me too. id is 'Mr. Goodwrench' : Mr. Goodwrench
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          lol, i'll be the one who has actually signed in recently. : Mr. Goodwrench
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            post your ID page : nevlos
            • http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198006920270 : Mr. Goodwrench
            • Another would be appreciated - Vaguely tempted by versus L4D.. Username zombiegunrunner - thankye => : T-900
        • Me three! Steam ID: Mrtt1539 (Yes, there is an extra t) : MrT1539
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  lol boomers are pretty jolly aren't they : Downforce
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    they look so happy and curious as you see them dart (waddle) around a corner, or float (jump) in the air.... : MoreVespeneGas
    • I love when they just jump off a roof and explode in front of you : chiisu81
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  You really played it on EASY? : T-900
  • For this achievement, oh very much yes. : LoioshDwaggie
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    Can you imagine getting this achievement with two AI on any other difficulty? : OverloadUT
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      did it on advanced. got to a finale on expert but, someone got punched by a tank :( the difficulty lev... : brainchild420
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        Yes it does, by a shitload. The tank goes down like a chump in easier difficulties so avoiding his damage... : OverloadUT
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          Yeah, it allows you to shoot him instead of just running. : LoioshDwaggie
          • "Run, or shoot?" ... "Run or shoot?!" ... "Both!" ... Watch the intro, watch how hard e... : T-900
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  congrats guys!!! I don't think I would have the patience to do something like this. : grabbie
  • perhaps the coolest part of the story is we did it on our first try : MoreVespeneGas
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  Did you also get the one where no one receives damage after contacting the rescue vehicle? I remember tha... : Mmmmmoo
  • No, AI effectively prevents that. :) : LoioshDwaggie
  • Not on this run, but I've recieved that yes : MoreVespeneGas
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  Cool stuff! By the way, if you choose to host it on local server and only have 2 people, you can kick the... : pyide
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    We tried to shoot them but it didn't take. I'm pretty sure playing with them is much harder lol : MoreVespeneGas
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      If you kick them it revokes your achievements. They fixed a bunch of exploits recently. : LoioshDwaggie
      • That's pretty lame, I didn't know that kicking a bot disabled achievements, but then I don't care about t... : pyide
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  I had gotten this about 4 or 5 times after I unlocked initially for myself. The achievement was really n... : getlefty
  • sure you did : MoreVespeneGas

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• Dognose does, as some other shackers. : Nitrium
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  Expert is too hard :( : mikecyb
  • Practise is good. Plus if you force yourself to play a high difficulty, suddenly everything else seems ea... : T-900
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  Yes, they do. : LoioshDwaggie
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    Balderdash. There's only one way to play this game and have fun and that's doing it on Expert with my cam... : Psigun
    • great image there! : RogerDandy
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  Easy when I'm tired/high/just want to have fun, normal when I want a challenge or as a compromise. Easy ... : dognose
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    I have survived advanced but I suspect I was with a really good team, and I don't think I have ever survi... : dognose
    • I got cocky a couple nights ago and played Advanced. Those Infected are mean. : David Craddock
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      You should play expert some time with shackers. I know you're all about gunning down zombies but it's al... : DinK
      • Excellent response =D Glad someone else sees the game as survival rather than 'lolol zombie massacre'.... : T-900
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      It's not about winning, it's about fun. The insanity that occurs at Expert mode is one of the most fun ex... : T-900
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        not enough people understand that L4D is not about winning. you are supposed to die. i don't unders... : brainchild420
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          fuck that, I hate dying in games : Halen
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            then you are doing it wrong. you don't learn how to be good at L4D(or any game for that matter) by ge... : brainchild420
            • Brainchild understands! Understands! *air guitar riff* : T-900
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              I don't play games to get *good*, I play them to have fun and experience them. Perhaps you are doing it... : Halen
              • The better you get, often the more fun you have, Halen - you don't expect to fully enjoy playing a musica... : T-900
              • exactly. then you play on the easiest setting you can and feel like you "accomplished" something. lol. t... : brainchild420
          • Then try your best not to. Do you play games to get exactly what you predict? Why not just watch tv? G... : T-900
        • That's why I like versus. If I lose, the other team was just better. One of my favorite rounds ever was... : nurglich
        • i'm 100% behind that statement : barichnikov
        • Actually I got through Expert Death Toll except for the final minute (running for the boat) with one frie... : T-900
        • I think the co-op can easily be about winning. Playing Expert just makes it more fun to do so because yo... : DinK
  • You should msg me and will play L4D high as a kite. It is quite fun that way although I go at a slower p... : sheepraper
  • Yeah we had fun last night on easy, but usually play on expert which is all kinds of awesome. : bombay
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  last time i played on expert my teammate decided to track a zombie while using the turret gun and kept sh : grabbie
  • The situation kinda reminds one of reality, doesn't it? Friendly fire is a cruel reality when civilians g... : T-900
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  Versus mode is the best! I haven't actually delved much into the world of versus mode. It's really sa... : mysled
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    The other problem I have with expert is that it's not very forgiving. If my teammate shoots me on acciden... : mysled
    • Ah, anger is part of the fun! As long as you can be honest with yourself and your team, you can apologise... : T-900
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    I can't stand Versus, myself - The essence of a zombie game in which you play the survivor is that of bei... : T-900
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      That's a lame excuse. The boss infected are supposed to be stronger and smarter than the common horde. Pl... : pyide
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        I spectated in freelook while dead last night as a friend searched for a boomer around a humvee on the fi... : T-900
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          clever is an interesting word for "cheating aimbotting bullshit" :) it knows exactly what you can and can... : brainchild420
          • Doesn't bother me - The game suggests the zombies can 'see' survivors through walls by some advanced sens... : T-900
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          It's almost impossible to get hit by a boomer in coop unless you have your speakers turned off. You can h... : pyide
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            On Expert special infected tend to synchronise very effectively - you'll get a quiet period while they ma... : T-900
            • I've seen this happen on all difficulties, except it's extremely rare. In versus it happens every other m... : pyide
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            i don't like that they have seperated the rulesets for campaign mode and VS mode so much. melee fatig... : brainchild420
            • People tend to praise developers who listen to 'the community' - the value of this really depends upon th... : T-900
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              I agree, I'm not a fan of those differences but some do feel necessary. In coop, when a tank comes there ... : pyide
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                Balance ignored for the moment, I LIKE the tank as a big dumb roaring animal. Being retarded is the downs... : T-900
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                  But it's way too exploitable and predictable that way. You can always take him down without much of a str... : pyide
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                    the AI tanks are completely pointless, all you have to do is find an object he likes to climb on and run ... : brainchild420
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                      I've not encountered that, but I wouldn't exploit it if I did. Once again, atmospherekiller. : T-900
                      • that's tough because every "strategy" in this game is borderline exploiting the engine. plus it's tough t... : brainchild420
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                    If you've got a full team of good players, maybe - but I usually have one or two panickers on my team - g... : T-900
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                      Play on the shack servers with us. We usually get 1 or 2 games going in the early evening. Really, you're... : LoioshDwaggie
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                        What's the lag like for UK players, if you've any idea? : T-900
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                          ok enough that A Sponge plays on occasion : zerog83
                          • Thanks. : T-900
      • I spectated in freelook while dead last night as a friend searched for a boomer around a humvee on the fi... : T-900
  • You are pro and one of my first choices for VS. Jimmy Buffett and Fireanus make up the other 2. : sheepraper
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  I like expert mode but sometimes I just want to kill zombies without worrying about shooting my teammates... : Mmmmmoo
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    Yeah my trigger finger is too itchy, this is the first game I have loved that requires patience and timin... : dognose
    • Strange how such a simple game can feel so deep, and can have such a slow, smooth learning curve. The ada... : T-900
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  I play on Advanced, it's more fun that way. I can hack it most of the time on Expert but it's just... to... : Sapiens
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    Same here. I feel like Advanced offers the most balanced experience. : sevogajre
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      I wish the gap weren't so drastic though between advanced and expert. Advanced is too boring, and Expert ... : mysled
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        agreed. you should be able to scale the difficulty however you like (sliders for hunter/smoker/common dam... : brainchild420
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          servers used to be able to change the difficulty in versus, but no one ever made it to the end of the map... : pyide
          • it can be done but it has to be scaled properly. valve cheesed out on making VS hard, and every patch the... : brainchild420
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          Used to be able to, they removed a lot of console cvars for no good reason =\ Yet they still allow peo... : T-900
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            those fuckers removed the ms_search_max_ping command, which has made matchmaking horrible this past week.... : brainchild420
            • Agreed - and thanks for the tip. I used a lot of those commands early on, I was the ringleader for my ... : T-900
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  I usually gotta talk everyone into playing expert. :( : K1Bond007
  • except for me. I'm always down! : Waffles!
  • I'm aaaaaalways up for a game. zombiegunrunner on steam >.> : T-900
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  I suck too much for Expert, versus has a lot more action anyway. : pyide
  • I'd probably like expert more if zombie damage or FF didn't totally rape you, but instead way more enemie... : pyide
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  expert can be a bit excessive with the tanks. : ass-street
  • Actually the tanks are never what end it anymore - With four decent players, if you can backtrack to an o... : T-900
• expert is the most fun for me, even if it doesn't guarantee winning every time. I really like the feeling... : re-verse
• Expert on the 360 is a death sentence, usually in the first minute and a half. (OMG people play it on the... : Fyunch Click
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  I see. Thanks for the replies, all. I can't play anything less than expert, ever since the demo was re... : T-900
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    You should play more versus if you want more challenge and unpredictability. Expert is pretty boring by c... : pyide
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      i don't see how this is true without 4v4 matchmaking. pubbing VS is way way easier than Expert Campaigns. : brainchild420
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        Expert is artificially made more difficulty by increasing the damage you take from zombies and friendly f... : pyide
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          i think being forced to play a cleaner game does make it sufficiently "more difficult". difficulty in ... : brainchild420
          • I've only played versus with other shackers and most of them are really good at it. Well that's not true,... : pyide
        • Well since Expert's friendly fire and Infected damage is the only one resembling realism (i.e. bullets hu... : T-900
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        Come play on shack servers :) I've seen good infected teams wipe out the survivors within the first few m... : mysled
        • i have played on the shack servers plenty. the competition isn't much different than random pubs (sometim... : brainchild420
    • I'm afraid I don't know enough decent players for a full Versus game without going public - something I'v... : T-900
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  I actually think Expert is too easy sometimes :O : Godhatesfatpeople
  • Yeah, I heard that L4D2 will have more common infected than in L4D so that's always good. >:D : DM7
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    I think so too. The only thing that's really hard about Expert is friendly fire and the tank can sometime... : K1Bond007
    • haha that's so fucking ture :I : Godhatesfatpeople
    • I love dodging the Tank's projectiles - The programming for his leading is nicely done. Doesn't feel too ... : T-900
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  Expert is the only way to play! : DM7
  • *highfour* : T-900
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  I loved it when you could play versus on expert mode :D : Durandal07
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    Yeah, now it's too easy for survivors I think. : / : DM7
    • The distance score is too trivial for it to be any harder for survivors, the only way to get any points i... : Zek
    • the problem is that against a well coordinated Infected team, playing in Advanced or Expert would be noth... : zerog83
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  i like expert mode when we take it nice slow and creep everywhere stealthily. i can't keep up with all th... : arcane_
  • Yeah, checking every little area and clearing it as a group is fun. :D : DM7
  • Hell yes - that's what it's about. Play the game like the intro! =) : T-900
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  those who aren't that good play it on lower settings! : dahanese
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    I'm a believer in equal opportunities - everyone can get good, and the higher you can push the difficulty... : T-900
    • i'm never going to be really good at shooters. i've been working on it for a year pretty seriously, and i... : dahanese
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  When I play L4D I'm not really looking for a challenge, I'm looking for a coop experience where some budd... : melt_core
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    if there is no challenge it's not a "game"... it's a circle jerk. : brainchild420
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      Guess I'm not the only one who got a vaguely homoerotic feel off that comment. If I want a casual, rel... : T-900
      • If I want to spend some time with a friend that what I'll do, if I want a coop gaming experience spending... : melt_core
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    "I'm looking for a coop experience where some buddy of mine is watching my back while I'm watching his." ... : Godhatesfatpeople
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      To explain the game to someone would be to do it a discredit, now matter how enthusiastic. As Y-900 note... : dognose
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        Sorry, I meant T-900 : dognose
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          No worries =) Wish I could use my current alias on here - I go by Jakkar since I was about 15.. Is the... : T-900
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            Yes, you can create a new one and message a mod (I am one) and let them know, then I will let the other m... : dognose
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              Oh yeah -- message the mod from the old account and tell us the new name, so that we know it is legit and... : dognose
              • Hey everybody this is dognose's new account mods please ban the old one : crummynz
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              Understood - I'll create the new account and message you shortly - no rush though, and thanks for the hel... : T-900
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                It is still a cool name, and to your credit, the new name does not suck. That is rare here : dognose
                • *glows with pride ;]* : T-900
              • Well fuck >.> Jakkar is taken. Looks like I'm sticking with T-900 after all =P Thanks again, though... : T-900
• yes of course : Downforce
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  I prefer advanced. Expert is just too unforgiving for me to enjoy playing it, and if I don't enjoy it, t... : deject
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    this seems to be a fairly common mindset. i've noticed it in other games with more prevalent difficulty l... : brainchild420
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      I usually prefer the hardest difficulties in games, even if that means getting owned again and again, but... : pyide
      • well, naturally better and actually scalable Ai would be the improvement we are both looking for. since ... : brainchild420
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        I don't want to be able to survive an accidental shotgun to the face. Even if it is annoying, well.. That... : T-900
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          The conceits of increased realism aren't standard across the board though. Friendly fire is great, I wish... : pyide
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            Ech.. Being dead isn't fun, so a cheesy respawn is 'acceptable' - whereas being able to survive being sho... : T-900
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              start making System Shock 3 please : Downforce
              • It's among my dream projects.. SS2 kinda sits at the top of the 'best game ever' list, in uneasy truce wi... : T-900
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      I play games to have fun. Constant failure just is not fun in my opinion, unless it has some comedic val... : deject
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        i think i lucked out with the group of friends i play L4D with. right from the start in beta we realized... : brainchild420
        • Similar experience here, but only one other regular friend - we split the cost of an eight player server ... : T-900
• Versus! : the_burd
• Advanced and Expert are the only modes in Campaign as far as I'm concerned. I always play Versus these d... : Lone Swordsman
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  Advanced when I want to kick back or play with randoms. Expert is fun but the rest of the team needs to b... : Serpico74
  • *nod* I fully understand if you don't get to play with friends you trust. I should clarify; I only play e... : T-900
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  No. No one plays anything other than expert. What kind of question is this? The answer is totally obvious : RikiTiki2
  • I think its clear hes saying look at how big my penis is. : SlingBlaze
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  Advanced and Expert are two very different experiences. Advanced is a reasonable difficulty for people wh... : Zek
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    By the way I think the biggest flaw of Expert is that it's too formulaic - you have to stick to the singl... : Zek
    • this was my expert experience :( you play it completely on rails. :( : Downforce
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      Hell no! Every damn game is different the way I play. Slow, calm careful - during horde rushes we run for... : T-900
      • What I'm saying is that "Slow, calm careful" is the only way to possibly win in Expert and that's not rea... : Zek
  • I agree, it is two different games. Most of the time I just want to kick back and shoot stuff without thi... : Serpico74
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  I just got it on the PC after playing on the xbox since release. I am playing easy. :( Usually played no... : TheMonkeyWench
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    I am pretty much always up for a game on easy. : dognose
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      In fact I need to run to the store but could play a quick game now if you are home and bored : dognose
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        wat : thrallie200
        • You ready now? My trip to the store will take an hour, I am walking : dognose
      • I just finished playing a couple games, but I'm up for some later! : TheMonkeyWench
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    I would say it's actually easier on pc than on the 360. : razorblade79
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      I'm sure it is, I'm just not used to it yet. I keep forgetting which buttons do stuff. : TheMonkeyWench
      • play with the 360 pad then. I do that occasionally to play l4d from the couch, or in splitscreen on pc. : razorblade79
  • play with us! add me on Steam if you haven't already: http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/jfingas if dog... : Postal
  • Actually we played easy a lot on the Xbox, it wasn't until toward the end that we stepped it up to normal : Halen
  • Good luck, Monkeywrench. Shackmessage me if you want advice or have questions on L4D. : T-900
• I only play on Elite : dael
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  I had to call a vote a few times to get dognose and some other players -- mmmooooo -- to play advanced. ... : thief
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    I mention dognose, etc, because advanced was totally more fun, right? : thief
    • Nope! I like easy/normal :) : dognose
  • You spelled my name wrong :( : Mmmmmoo
• lol Versus is way harder than Expert mode : jimmy-buffett
• I'm out of practice so I should only play on advanced, lower than that is too easy tho. : abrasion
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  PC = Expert only. 360= well, whatever they can muster. : Sgt_Boomstick
  • *grins* Well put. : T-900

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  oh, i believed it the slogans weren't that offensive to people with any sense of irony or self-confide... : EvilDolemite
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    You're overestimating the intelligence and forgetting that anyone born below Virginia has an 80% chance t... : Crabs Jarrard
    • I am still enjoying that fat dude on youtube who has a Confederate Flag in his house and calls Obama a "n : riptyde
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  rofl I did not once (nor did my friends) think this was fake. That was fucking real as it gets and anyone... : ateam311
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    Well, I've never been to that part of the US, and a lot of stuff on that show is obviously scripted. I di... : rock elf
    • You have to experience the South to really appreciate just what an... interesting.. place it is. : riptyde
    • As you said sir, you have not experienced that fine deep fried rotisserie roasted brand of stupid that we... : Jenings
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  rofl what was their reason for doing that? : wetard
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    the almighty rating : cpt_gloval
    • sounds like it was a success then. : wetard
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    to insult the colonies by showing that the limeys aren't the only morons on the planet. : stgdz
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      It was less about insulting the locals and more about pranking each other. And there's no need to get def... : rock elf
      • Don't get drunk and start a football riot now. : stgdz
    • hey don't lump us all together (although I will go ahead and lump together everyone in the south). : Cheeziologist
• And that's why I was scared to go on the quakecon roadtrip with Askedrelic. : nyranger66
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  You could get the same reaction anywhere else in world with soccer chants painted on the side. : Lunatic Angelic
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    I doubt soccer hooligans would literally kill you, tho. There are plenty of places in America where bein... : riptyde
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      Yeah, we have dozens of people dying every day to public gunfire out in the boonies for being overtly gay : Lunatic Angelic
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        So an average of one hate-killing of a gay person per year is ok in your book? : riptyde
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          as much as I love to hate on Lunatic for his overly conservative stances, that wasn't what he meant and y... : Cheeziologist
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            He rejects the idea by saying the number is probably in the "low double digits per decade", as if a low n... : riptyde
            • And how many hate-crime related killings of minorities per year? Or domestic violence, or any number of ... : umcpwintermute
            • He says that they aren't death traps because not very many people die. Chicago murders more African-Amer... : Dessicator82
            • It seems to me refuting "this place is a death trap for X" by pointing out just how few Xs are killed mak... : DinK
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      yeah, they'll take it easy and just kick your teeth in and smash a pint glass on your face : filtersweep
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        I'd love to see someone drive through Liverpool or Arsenal with something like "'whatever city' fans are ... : stump
        • Eh? Arsenal is in a sleepy middle-class part of London, no one would care. If you drove through the ro... : jcupitt
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      Ever read about the soccer hooligans of the 70s/80s? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_hooliganism : umcpwintermute
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        Yes but the two things are slightly different. Pretty much any case of football hooliganism you read abo... : riptyde
        • Cases like that do happen, but they are extremely rare. There's a story in the newspapers today about a m... : rock elf
        • which happened the other day;can't remember in what country (former Yugoslavia?) : deviantpaul
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    you're right, this could very well happen in canada or anywhere else. except in canada they'd all be arme... : cptstern
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      I can't think of anything you could write on your car that would result in physical violence in Victoria ... : SenorSpine
      • "free marijuana distribution plan put on ice!" ...I got nothing : cptstern
      • Ed Stelmach is your new premier! : ruckboos
  • No, of course you couldn't. Poor LA, it must be tough to be you. : Wheatloaf
  • No, that would actually never happen. I can't imagine one single thing you could write on a car that woul... : d fluke
• why can't we just nuke alabama? : Horn
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  I've traveled the I-95 corridor from NY to FL many times (never been through AL), and I will say that I s : mn3m0n1c
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    Most of I-95 is perfectly safe. I've been far more wary of my surroundings when stopping off in places l : riptyde
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      Oh yeah, it only gets scary when you get a few miles away from the highway in Georgia looking for gas or ... : mn3m0n1c
      • yah back woods country in PA, VA & WVA aren't to bad... but yah the rural Deep South, those fuckers a... : Shadowdane
  • There are some creepy spots on I-95. I seem to remember a "diner" near Florence SC whose sign only reads ... : steauengeglase
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  Lol at everyone in this thread afraid of rural AL. Trust me, the scarey places are not what you can get t... : senseimoron
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    When you get "the stare", then you know it's time to leave. : riptyde
    • MMMmmmmmmmph that boy has him some teef in his mouf...get em! : Jimbo Ro
    • especially when you hear a banjo. : Prozium
    • I took a wrong turn into an area of town that had only one way in and out (didn't know that at the time).... : guido anchovy
  • For most shackers venturing outside a major metropolitan area is scary. Even the parks in those areas are... : eldiablo01

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• repost, BTW : MercFox1
• disaster porn has finally produced it's reductio ad absurdum. : DonkeyPopsicle
• The world sure looks fucked there huh. : jonin
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  John Cusack stars in Always *Just* Getting Away For 135 Minutes! : Lunatic Angelic
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    i feel embarrassed for him for being in this movie. :( : smax
    • it's not like he's a good actor or anything. :P : deject
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  haha what did I just watch... : timaste
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    150 million dollars of stupidity. : LoioshDwaggie
    • shit blows up, it can't be all bad : jonin
    • and it looks fucking awesome! sure it will be a popcorn action movie but it will be entertaining none th : stgdz
  • A visual representation of California's economy. : eldiablo01
• I will now see this movie based off of this video. It looks crazy, and stupid, but exciting and entertai... : slickdoody
• that movie is the next 10,000 B.C : Skoal^Fyfan
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  i like this version better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9RkX8spIFo : ucanbfuzzy
  • LOL that is fucking hysterical : OMGzImBurning
  • Perfect! : MatzL.E.
  • That is fantastic. AAAA++ : GeorgeB3DR
  • Hahaha this is perfect! : TrptJim
  • this i would see : whistletits
  • Haha, that is amazing. : omnova
  • hahah. That's brilliant! : thecray
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  Why doesn't the plane just.....fly higher? : skunk_ape
  • you have broken the logic barrier. go directly to jail. do not pass go. do not collect $200. : brainchild420
  • the drama quotient would drop too low, throwing the money making formula out of whack : Clay
  • The down draft created by the collapse... : jake
  • The ground is rushing up at the same rate they're climbing? : Dynotaku
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    in all fairness, they took off at 85 knots. not prime flying speeds with 4-5 people on board. : Korban
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      yea, if they increase their angle of ascent by anything more than 9.5° they will likely go into a stal... : dedgecko
      • We wouldn't want anything in this clip to be unrealistic : Schnapple
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      since when is 85 knots too slow for that plane to take off and climb? : lja83
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        it does have a whole film crew on board. : CoRDS
        • I lol'd : abovedefault
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    Fool, have you never played Il-2 Sturmovik, the plane would stall! : Sailor of Fortune
    • 109s climb like crazy and never stall. La-5 and Yak-3 also. : valael
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    They couldn't get out of ground effect. Too many fatties on board. : phate81
    • also, lol @ "i have to do my pre-flight check list" : Flying h4x0r
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      hey, how are your lessons going? : Flying h4x0r
      • Checkride coming up! : phate81
    • they'd have been forced out of ground effect or crashed when the ground dropped away from them :P : lja83
  • The treadmill was set too low. : coldfusioncs
  • LOL lrn2fly n00b : Home Nugget
  • To be fair, the character is shown as being new to flying so that part made sense to me. : Geoffrois
  • The IQ ceiling is too low!! : Maddog_Delphi97
  • There was a conveyor belt. : dmason
• In before it was a fun popcorn flick : bozer
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  Turns out the Mayans predicted a BOX-OFFICE DISASTER : tashtego
  • haha : peter
• Better Version (and funny) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX6cfzDpd_o : grabbie
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  Did a trash can just take a car door off? : thrallie200
  • Dude that was a speed demon limo, it's all fiberglass. : DM7
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  So why is this coming out in 2009 instead of, oh I don't know, 2012? Were they just trying to get it out... : riptyde
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    cause we won't be able to go see it in the summer of 2012 cause we'll be like....dead? : Skoal^Fyfan
    • The Mayans are saying the date is December 21rd, 2012. What that date really means, is anybody's interpr : Maddog_Delphi97
• Are you kidding me? : DM7
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  that looks so retarded and fucking awesome. i have to see it . : [fry]
  • Yep, sounds like a great movie to sneak some booze into. : dravalen
  • it won't beat Knowing : gmd
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  that looks so horrible : redfive
  • how wrong you are : Zakko
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  That looks awesome : kgargs
  • how right you are : Zakko
• i lol'd @ the schwarzenegger impression : smax
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  fail : marmite
  • yes, yes you did. : Zakko
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  awesome trailer remix/spoof thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW2qxFkcLM0 : hax3d
  • God I love this so much : crummynz
  • haha that's good : jvox
  • omg hahaha that is phenomenal. : marmite
  • holy shit this is the funniest video I have seen in months. : deject
  • hahaha... that was awesome! : Shadowdane
  • that was amazing : Thomas Hace
  • this. THIS! PROPS! : SaggyLaybeeah
  • goddamn awesome! : Draugluin
  • deja vu : fishbone
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  http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/10/06/lol-2012-without-the-special-effects/ hahahaha : Godhatesfatpeople
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    lol i like how the cat is sorta just tossed in there because why not : [fry]
    • hahaha yeah : Godhatesfatpeople
  • hahaha perfect ending : das_runt
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  Disaster-porn movies are getting to the point where that much destruction ends up being hilarious rather ... : Kolpath
  • I'm pretty sure this movie isn't all that serious. : trove
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    yah all these movies are soo out there now... it just cracks me up half the time. Also go for the pr... : Shadowdane
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      What was the one where this son and daughter stand on the beach and get blown away by a huge tidal wave..... : Kolpath
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        Deep Impact. it was a father and daughter. giggidy. : Korban
        • Hooyah! That's the one! : Kolpath
        • I dropped you on your head when you were a baby. : FlamingGimp
  • Getting to the point? I'm sorry, but I think I've laughed my way through most of the disaster movies I'v... : Zakko
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  You ever have a dream where everything kind of explodes all around you? : Dave-A
  • The closest I've got to that is dreaming I was trapped in a giant popcorn machine. :( : Kolpath
• effects look pretty great, although there's still something about cgi that doesn't make my brain perceive... : jvox
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  hahaha holy shit is this an Emmerich film? He's just made Michael Bay his bitch : sonicdeathwalrus
  • Now you've done it. Transformers 3 is going to feature Unicron devouring the entire Earth. : riptyde
  • ahahahahahahahah good call : ghost hacker
• FUCKING AWESOME. : Zakko
• The buildings crumbling and the disasters I've seen so far look absolutely amazing as far as special effe... : devi| dog
• Actually, I believe what we're witnessing here is the ricochet / aftershock after mace tried to fuck Cali... : Kolpath
• it'll be enjoyable with the brain set to the 'off' position. it's just comical to watch fully CG destruct... : gokart.
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  Yeah same guy as 10,000 BC and Independance Day? Yeah it sounded good until I figured that out, and the ... : dognose
  • They'll find a way to hack Earth and install a virus in it to prevent the collapse. : phate81
  • Independence Day was great. Whenever it comes on TV I just have to watch it. : riptyde
  • oh man! i forgot about 10,000 BC! I went with my friends and a girl i invited, i got there late, was drun... : MrBig0
• i really look forward to the threads that will be had here once this movie is released : pandastrong
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  Why is the plane flying so low? : cjcharv
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    It carries the weight of internet nerds everywhere on its wings. : rosewood
    • genuine lol : marmite
    • If ever a post deserved to be * L O L ' D *, it's this one! : .Jayson
    • fucking lol : Phil
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    http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=21082173#itemanchor_21082173 : skunk_ape
    • Guess I should have read every single thread, should have known someone already ask that. : cjcharv
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    it was taking off from a treadmill : .frame
    • everyone knows it wouldn't have taken off at all if that was true! : skunk_ape
• I know it's not going to be a deep movie... but I can't wait to get this on Blu-ray : shakybonez31
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  Anyone who hates on this, should just go read a book. Looks fantastic. Love the big summer blockbusters... : GeorgeB3DR
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    George I am with you 100% about Michael Bay (unless you liked Armageddon), but this Emmerich guy... I dun... : dognose
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      Emmerich is 50/50 on movies, but the effects are always insane. I love left4dead but it's been a bad yea... : GeorgeB3DR
      • Oh that's right you're 360, I'm PC. No, it wouldn't work. We can still be movie pals though if you want : dognose
      • Also agreed on the effects, Day After Tomorrow had them in spades. Perhaps this will be a "smoke out and... : dognose
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  nothing beats the happening for worst disaster flick. suicidal wind! and BEEEEEEEEES!!!!!! : BaronVonSnakPak
  • Oh man that was bad. The trailers made it sound so cool too. : .Jayson
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  speaking as a pilot who regularly flys out of santa monica airport, why the FUCK did he taxi all the way ... : lja83
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    also, why was he doing preflight while on the runway already? : lja83
    • Cliche'd comic relief guy is his role : riptyde
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    I guess you missed the part about him not having any experience? : shakybonez31
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      it's still backwards to taxi all the way down the runway, turn around, and then try to make your takeoff ... : lja83
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        santa monica airport is point A downtown LA is point B http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&sad... : lja83
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          Oh jeez, it's just a movie... why worry about it so much : shakybonez31
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            it's such an incredible level of idiocy it's hard for me to comprehend : lja83
            • Because you don't go into a popcorn flick with your brain turned on. You do not allow reason to enter ... : dedgecko
            • turn off brain; retry. : shakybonez31
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              I see your point, but 99% of the target audience has no piloting experience so they take short cuts for w... : jnukem99
              • i always love when you hear random game sound effects that aren't in the game they are playing... : Shadowdane
            • You know how many personal aircraft pilots there are in los angeles? 46, and maybe 7 of them will see th... : skitzo
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          Maybe he didn't have time to set his altimeter and was just trying to be extra sure he was below the floo... : Flying h4x0r
          • lol good point, busting the class B would suck when you got home i should point out though that he did... : lja83
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          the ground was falling away beneath the plane, that might cause a pretty severe downdraft : GloriousCow
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            i wouldn't be able to comment on this since i've never flown a plane off a collapsing runway, one might w... : lja83
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              what if the continental shelf was on a treadmill? could the plane take off? : GloriousCow
              • i'm going to go with yes, since ground speed is irrelevant to whether an airplane can take off or not : lja83
              • oh god don't open this can again, lol : riptyde
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        wow air plane snobbery on the shack now, is this a first? : Jackass1233
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          i don't see how it's snobbery to point out that nothing in that entire scene made a lick of sense at all,... : lja83
          • you should reread every one of your posts in this thread : Korban
        • If you live here then the sudden jump from SM airport to downtown is a big WTF. But then most sane peo... : Serpico74
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        You know much about planes, but little about entertainment and suspension of disbelief. : GeorgeB3DR
        • one can only suspend disbelief so far before it's broken : lja83
  • Your version of this movie would be BORING. : Zakko
  • Yeah, my dad in his best george impression yelled "TERRAIN TERRAIN PULL UP PULL UP" at the theater. : Conan
  • This post reminds of The Full Monty, where they are all watching the welding scene in flashdance (or what... : Rag and Bone Man
  • But the ground was falling away, that means he couldn't lift higher because the ground was lower! : Beady
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    First thing I thought was "why the hell is it dumping out ten miles away in the middle of Downtown when S... : Serpico74
    • LOL, no kidding. I worked right next door to the Santa Monica Airport until recently and you could easily... : thetangent
  • you're not a pilot! i know every pilot in the world! : skizl
• I was entertained, I can't help it :( : WhatIsThisFor
• Ummmmm... Just turn your brain off heh. : Rauol Duke
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  did i just watch a cement truck explode? : whistletits
  • It hit a gas station! : alias
• Haha... wow... looks like a hell of a show. I shot an interview with Cusack and he was wearing that ... : Wheatloaf
• That looks fucking stupid..... I love it :) : silentbobuk
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  I love the sentiment that you must "turn your brain off" to watch this flick. How pretentious. It's like... : phipple
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    if you can watch that with your brain turned on, your brain isn't working : lja83
    • hahah, so true bro. Good one. : phipple
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    If it's immersive then clearly your brain isn't working. I hope you didn't realize that you switched it o... : guigr
    • Ok, I said this below but I'll say it twice just in case you don't understand what I mean. I personally ... : phipple
  • This is a joke post right? : Drewus
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    Watched it after reading this. It's like something penned by an 8 year old. : kingdepork
    • It's just a bunch of special effects. It's an epic eye candy film. The point is to have fun, and be im... : phipple
• This movie is gonna be amazing(ly terrible). : Helter Skelter
• Unite us all against what? Crumbling? : c0bra
• That looks so fucking awful. : Drewus
• hahahahahaha : GreatGooglyMoogly
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  ahahahah buh bye cali !!! hehehe ..... speaking of disaster movies I had seen this commercial fo... : ghost hacker
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    this movie might be it.. not sure : ghost hacker
    • http://www.instituteforhumancontinuity.org/ : ghost hacker
• Obligatory parody http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW2qxFkcLM0 : transmetal
• who ever rented them the plane is really fucking dedicated to their contract : strandgeck
• Why can't they at least try to make this shit look plausible : Waffles!
• I hope everyone is fucking trashed when I go see this. I'm going opening night, no question. : Serpico74
• This looks like the next Dragon Wars. : not work safe
• Best part of this movie is that I will have played COD:MW2 for a whole day when it comes out! : shackwack
• thank god i just wasted 5:28 minutes on this : hanged_man
• I will go and see this film in all it's awesome glory and it will rule! : .Jayson
• as retarded as this movie looks, i may just watch it out of curiosity. i have a sick liking for explosion... : mayooms
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  Funny? But man that's A LOT of death. : SaggyLaybeeah
  • NOW this movie i can get behind and say, okay it's worth seeing once for the special effects. (even thoug... : SaggyLaybeeah
  • its only pixel death : filthysock
• *yawn* : disembodied potato
• already called it as the future best movie ever. : sgtsanity
• ANOTHER natural disaster movie from this guy? Hopefully it is just lots of destruction and no preaching. : byorn

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  This meme needs to die. : jason bergman
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    except that this is official and blizzard designed : MrBig0
    • unless you meant attn/menz : MrBig0
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    The word "meme" needs to die. : Wyvern
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      same with the word "idea" : ass-street
      • brains too : R@zzle
      • Let's all adopt INGSOC while we're at it! : legato17
    • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memetics : dirge23
    • Nah, it just needs to be applied more appropriately. : Entity
    • yes he should have said this thing thing thing. : re-verse
    • The "needs to die" meme needs to die : Schnapple
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      same with "foh pah" : ant_hillbilly
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        faux pas : dirge23
        • (french for "misstep") : dirge23
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        you mean "faux pas?" or am I missing something? : mwasher
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          his spelling was lacking a certain je ne sais quoi : electroly
          • Lacking what the French call... I don't know what. : Rooster Cockburn
        • Perhaps we should sing Fara Jaca. : rock elf
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        regardless of how it's spelled, there is this stupid Cablevision commercial about free wifi and it pisses... : ant_hillbilly
        • I think it's the alliteration that you find irritating, not necessarily just the use of "faux pas." : mwasher
      • pho pau, delicious sumatran stew : d fluke
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    what meme? Rednecks have been wearing the neon wildlife shirts for 25 years. This is a joke shirt in that... : kevp
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      I think the "meme" took off when suddenly everyone was interested in Debbie Rowe again. She was Michael J... : Schnapple
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        What? The three wolf shirt meme has been around forever - someone found a listing on a website for it and... : ArcKnight
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          linked in the op! : MrBig0
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            ..not. : mem
            • 'this shirt cured my aids!' -from the link in the root post : MrBig0
    • No you see, when more than one person finds something funny on the internet it becomes a meme, and it is ... : SenorSpine
  • complaining about memes that need to die need to die. : Dschinghis Khan
• wool magents : atom519
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  http://www.turtlehead.ie/stuffformen/men_enlarged.php?id=72&sex=Male : zipr
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    Holy shit. : d fluke
    • FUCK IT. Ordered. I'm going to frame it. In the loo. : d fluke
  • That URL is comical. : DrZettl
  • that is so incredible, and yea, the url is pretty suspect : MrBig0
• I love the last line in the second link. : one random winner
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  This is the original shirt: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002HJ377A/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top : My Documents
  • ^^ True, original Three Wolf Moon-shirt. : mem
  • Great compliment for my skin art, May 19, 2009 By overlook1977 (Raleigh, NC United States) - See all ... : Slowtreme
  • Far from the original wolf shirt (which pre-date the internet), but it was probably the first wolf shirt ... : fishbone
• wolf shirt jokes what is this 1995? : azenmaster
• lol original used to describe something at ebaumsworld : cfalcon
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  we need a three Worf moon shirt : pandastrong
  • Oh my lol : d fluke
  • aha, lol : the_burd
• Haha, that's awesome. : dravalen
• I bought a Packet Storm t-shirt from Jinx back in the day. : yonderboy
• oh Blizzard, your bandwagon schedule is a bit late. : Godhatesfatpeople
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  hahaha! http://www.amazon.com/Three-Keyboard-Cat-Moon-Oxen/dp/B002JPZA0O/ref=pd_sbs_a_5 : vynn
  • This is me in my keyboard cat shirt: http://twitpic.com/duz8o : bakanoodle
• My GF just told me to order two... o.0 : mountdreamer
• That is not the original. : tcxsnoop

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• Yeah I no longer feel bad about it, only so much you can take. : kelerian
• I really need to update my card details and get my Mercury back, although I dont think the ads are as bad... : silentbobuk
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  I don't think Gamefly is at fault, they are battling the same ad server people sTeve and Maarten battled ... : dognose
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    You can say no to certain types of ads. Vile rollover ads do not appear on every site out there. : GeorgeB3DR
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      and Steve seemed to have no trouble keeping them in line, so it can't be as impossible as they're making ... : electroly
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        They just probably make more money with those ads. : GeorgeB3DR
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          GeorgeB, that XBox 360 ad is so annoying. I finally had to modify my hosts file. : CrustaR
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            crustar how do i modify my host file. i've heard this before but never learned about it. : xxiv
            • http://www.raymond.cc/forum/tutorials/13257-block-google-msn-windows-live-and-yahoo-ads-using-hosts-file.... : CrustaR
          • ad removal isn't a kosher subject :[ : RikiTiki2
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    I think this argument went out the window when Wolverine Shack appeared. : Evil Benius
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      Yes. This. You can't get those kind of ads without modifying the layout on your site to support it. : OverloadUT
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        Sounds like it's tough to survive without em though. http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=20966628#iteman... : crummynz
        • sfgate.com was doing this with 'Niners stuff the other day. : dognose
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        well to be fair it looks like they are being loaded with javascript after the the page loads, so I don't ... : mikecyb
        • What I mean is, they would have to at the very least provide the side elements with a specific id or clas... : OverloadUT
    • Exactly this. : slickdoody
    • bingo. : biskits
    • Ding. : dmason
    • yep. one is forced to protect their internet experience. : Downforce
    • http://www.shackpics.com/files/WolverineJPG_t3kg0b5fc9aqkymr5r0d.jpg : yosemiteclimber
    • I'm in your boat rowing it, Evil Benius. : spazzium
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    Don't be daft. They just don't give a shit. : Megara9
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      I'm pretty sure one of the GF guys said they are still under some existing GF contract or somesuch for th... : xsoulbrothax
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        I've heard lots about that and still think it's a bunch of bs. IMO they're using the contracts existence ... : Megara9
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          tbh in their position I'd be doing the same thing : Megara9
          • sTeve fought constantly with them about talking ads back when, and he is not around any more so perhaps t... : dognose
  • We were told in August that the mods were under the impression the contract was up in October. I was stub... : laurgasms
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  Also of course you are not referring to adblock, I use NoScript due to its general good sense defense aga... : dognose
  • It also allows normal ads in : dognose
  • I just installed this, it seems quite cool. Thank you. : cerealSAM2
  • Same here. I love it. Normal ads get in, I don't have a problem with those. : ZombieAcademy
• No one blames you. : ieGod
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  http://www.jenandcraig.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/shackflash.jpg : riptyde
  • yeah that can pretty much fuck right off : redfive
• oh shit, i had ads there yesterday that were basically loud videos about diamonds or something that you d... : MrBig0
• I'm so glad I'm not the only one who has a problem with these ads on the shack. I stay away from a lo... : X-GOUKI
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  You see this: $$^__^$$ This is a person with money in their ears, they cannot hear you. :( : DM7
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    Look how happy he is with all the money! : Utopia
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      I wish I had money in my ears, too : TimeDoctor
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        http://www.shackpics.com/files/iPhoneUpload_vra9r0au6l7cqiv4tgml.jpg : abrasion
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          I'm not sure that counts as real money. Try tim-tams instead. : TimeDoctor
          • That currency is nearly equal to yours. : abrasion
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  Google announced recently that they were getting into these kinds of ads. So much for "Don't be evil". : the archvile
  • That'd be a very radical change from their (relatively) ultra-minimalistic ads they have currently : crummynz
  • You have a link for this? God, I hope you're wrong on that. : Ecks
• I got a talking ad today for the first time ever on the shack. It's pretty much bullshit >:( : NastyJack
• Regardless of the path many of us will/have taken, the front page casual browsers will still make em more... : kingdepork
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  Is there something wrong with blocking ads? : umegastar
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    I don't know what you're talking about? Don't say Voldemort. : kingdepork
    • my eyes block them automagically. my ears don't. There's an ultra annoying "guess when you'll die" ad tha... : umegastar
• it makes me wonder if the shack community will ever migrate somewhere else. : xxiv
• I honestly don't know if the rollover ads or the sidebar ads are worse. They're both fucking horrible, ug... : thetangent
• I don't have rollover ads, but I have ones that are little flash videos. The other day I had my sound ma... : jenisthebest
• I hate all ads, this is why I'm crazy 'bout Mercury :D : Dave-A
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  Perhaps gamefly should know that the site layout and design could be accommodated for a more robust ad in... : haiku
  • ^^ Contact this man ^^ and launch him at the sun : Phil
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    Could you make it so anything we type will come up as a hyperlink for a product? : kingdepork
    • Yes but they will all be for penis pumps. : pupismyname
  • lol *This post brought to you by McDonalds - I'm Lovin It* : DarkWolf5
  • Welcome aboard the corporate greed train. I'll be your captain. : ra1n
  • Never change haiku, never change : Matto357

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  Anyone picking this up today? I'm thinking about checking out Gamestop to see if they got it in. : AndyGoin
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    My copy is on the delivery truck... : walker270
    • As is mine. It's going to be a long day :( : Ctrl-Phreak
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      Same! : Fayk
      • hurry up truck! : confuseatron
    • Pre-ordered Deluxe Edition. Schweeeet. : pturvz
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    Man I can't find this in any bestbuy/target, etc. :( : kainen1
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      I wouldn't be surprised -- it's a niche Japanese game Atlus brought over. Copies tend to be in extremely... : walker270
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        which means.....obligatory ebgames preorder? Which pisses me off because I simply couldn't walk in and g... : kainen1
        • That, or online order, or DS won't start showing up in stores for another week or two. Or hope Atlus has... : walker270
      • Since minimum publishing numbers shot above 50k for normal releases last generation, I don't think any ga... : roushimsx
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    Please do not do that. If you intend to pick it up, just amazon it with the free shipping. Since amazon ... : roushimsx
    • ^^^^^^^^^^^ This. Support Atlus! : sevogajre
  • just got the call, awww jeah! Gunna be dyin' tonight! : yAak
  • My copy is on the way from Gamefly. : Vincent Grayson
  • They had a bunch at my gamestop. I couldn't wait for them to deliver it. PS It's awesome. And SO UNF... : TheVietSpecial
• I'll have to watch this later, I am still curious about the game but also wary : Begawkiness
• I'm sorry but this game looks really fun. I think I may pick it up : kainen1
• cant f-n wait! : Fredrik S
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  Holy shit you can grief people hardcore lolol. : Iwannaacura
  • i wouldnt say hardcore they can call in 2 buddies to help and the griefer only has 60% health : snidely sid
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  yeah im very curious about this game, if we could get a shackers opinion on the first few hours of game p... : shadebane
  • I wouldn't compare this to any japanese turn-based rpg's. This is a western-style action rpg that I can'... : JamesArhy
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  waiting for the Giantbomb Quicklook and video review : pancake humper
  • I've been all over rudds about this. :) : kainen1
  • I was looking forward to that too, but I dunno if it'll happen anytime soon since october release schedul... : DeBurgo
  • Yeah their video stuff has been top notch really, great presentation. : node
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    Quick look at least will happen. Review may be dicey since it's apparently long as F? Lot of games coming... : rudds
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      Do quick look from beginning of game! : pancake humper
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        It has been discussed as a possible Endurance Run candidate. O_o : rudds
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          YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : pancake humper
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            Yup and here's the rub - every fuckin review, like dozens and dozens and dozens lead off talking about t... : kainen1
            • Dude, this game is effing tits! Infact all PS3 owners should probably get this game if they enjoy a good... : mastermike569
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              I like hard games, I hate cheap games. This should be fun because if you fucked up, it's your fault! : pancake humper
              • haha i'd maybe consider reserving judgement of that until you see it. I'm admittedly pretty frightened ... : kainen1
        • holy shit, I feel like such a bitch for complaining about you guys not covering the game this week on you... : DeBurgo
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          As long as there is screaming at the screen over each death, I don't care how it happens. : Vincent Grayson
          • Ooh yes. There will be screaming. : TheVietSpecial
• It looks interesting. If I were using gamefly I'd try it. Maybe I'll rent it to see if I like it. : melkore
• This workday is going to crawl by. :( : Haku-Jin
• Looks like a frustrating game. : c_man_tmt
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  Looks pretty generic to me. : Nitrium
  • Only the setting. : Haku-Jin
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  The gameplay looks fun. The "losing everything you have if you die" does not, and is what will keep me fa... : Entity
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    You lose your cash money, not your equipment or anything else. You can also go right back and get it agai... : silent prophet
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      Your cash money is your experience points for levelling up as well. And if you die trying to get your cor... : Entity
      • Souls aren't that hard to come by... If you're having problems with an area go back to a previous area... : JamesArhy
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    I'm think you only lose the souls you've collected during the level. Not your gear or the souls you hav... : Haku-Jin
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      I think, not I'm think. :( : Haku-Jin
      • Who's think? : ieGod
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      You can't bank souls. If you're talking souls you've spent on equipment and stats, then yeah you're right... : Tawler
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        Ahh, I thought there was a guy in the nexus that acted like a bank for items and souls. I must have misr... : Haku-Jin
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          I think its just items. : silent prophet
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            Yeah Captain Obvious, that's what Tawler said. : Haku-Jin
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              I'm hoping if we just keep repeating stuff you'll stop remembering it incorrectly. : silent prophet
              • I think its just items. : [7]kami
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  My amateur review, if anyone gives a shit... http://www.thatvideogameblog.com/2009/10/04/review-demons-s... : Tawler
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    good write-up, thanks! Question though - as far as the whole bit you put in there about frustration set... : kainen1
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      I think I read in another review that the guy would run back to the beginning of the level when he got a ... : skinlab133
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        yea. the level resets, everything resets. The game is a non stop backtracking marathon. : scener
        • that's not true, certain shortcuts you unlock and traps you set off stay there, and there's usually one p... : DeBurgo
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        Occasionally you'll find a merchant in the middle of some levels who you can spend souls on. Otherwise, y... : Tawler
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          can you save after buying stuff or are there checkpoints? : kainen1
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            you can't save at all, the game saves when you quit. so as to prevent people from bypassing the death sys... : DeBurgo
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              Hahaha it does, that way you cant cheat when you die to resurrect yourself to the point before the game s... : mastermike569
              • yeah I know about that too, but I'm pretty sure you run a pretty high risk of corrupting your save if you... : DeBurgo
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  Ugh must resist urge to buy PS3 for this game... : silent prophet
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    Really? Really? This is the game that is tempting you? Not Uncharted? Not Super Stardust HD? Not Zombi... : Ebu
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      Oh god, Valkyria Chronicles. Can't wait to play more tonight. Game is starting to wind up now and it's so : roushimsx
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        I'm so glad when you speak like this of a game I absolutly loved. : barichnikov
        • I hate that it took me a year to get around to playing it and it's a shame that it sold so damn poorly (d... : roushimsx
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        really? I lost interest in the desert when that big magic lady with the magic super shooter lance comes : kainen1
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          if it's the first time you see her, you definitely DONT have to fight her, its a "get the fuck out ASAP" ... : barichnikov
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            really? I sat there and fought her. I can't recall but I had to do some fancy shit to keep from dying l... : kainen1
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              i got the hit when the computer used her many times a turn and fell all my dudes in 1-2 shots, then claim... : barichnikov
              • i got the hint**... : barichnikov
          • That battle is the worst one in the game, because there's essentially no room to come up with your own st... : Vincent Grayson
    • I pray for the day Really? REALLY? becomes nukeable. : walker270
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      fucking afrika dude haha : EvilDolemite
      • that game looks boring as shit. : edgewise
      • haha i had to google this to know wtf. : mwasher
      • i saw that and started cracking up I don't usually pay attention to the names of who's posting but Ebu : qwpeoriu
      • Fuck yea, Afrika! : Ebu
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      I've played Uncharted and Little Big Planet. Uncharted is fun, but it is nothing mind-blowing. Little Big... : silent prophet
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        Valkyria. Fucking. Chronicles. If you like strategy games in the slightest then you will love it. http... : roushimsx
        • Jann > all other team members. Every time Largo Lover procs I get a weird look from my girlfriend becaus... : Majuju
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          Yeah, that sounds like it might be up my alley. I will check it out! :D : silent prophet
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            The gameplay is great but it's hard to suffer through the cutscenes. : Haku-Jin
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              I loved the storyline :( : Ebu
              • The story is fine, I just wish they'd cut out all the cutesy Japanese crap. I haven't played that far in... : Haku-Jin
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      heaven forbid people like different shit : eeeealmo
      • I'M FEIGNING MY SURPRISE AS HARD AS I CAN! I hope you can see this. : walker270
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      Zombie Apocalypse? Really? That is a horrible game. : zuff
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        Did you play it solo or with a team? : Ebu
        • I just played the demo and that was all I needed to know it was pure crap. : zuff
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      Flower. : notdeadyeti
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        Another good choice. : Ebu
        • I think you'd get more relaxation out of $10 if you just bought a dime bag. : Boxelder
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      Demon's Souls has far greater appeal to me than any of those other titles. It's a hardcore, gorgeous, on... : lefthighkick
      • With some pretty innovative features too! : Haku-Jin
    • I pre ordered the game over a month ago. I bought a PS3 last week. : Fayk
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      You're right. He should want to be high chasing around well animated hippos as an avatar wearing a fucki... : sKetchflow
      • tourists on safaris do, that's for damn sure. : Modica Sol Solis
      • Don't you?!? : Ebu
    • YES, REALLY. : yAak
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      None of those games are at all like demon's Souls. : Boxelder
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        No shit, they're fun? : Ebu
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          what in the name of fail is going on here : Downforce
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            He's trolling, you're biting. : Haku-Jin
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              I'm actually not. I have a friend who's just going ON about how awesome this game is [Ashley from Gamesto... : Ebu
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                How can you know if it feels rewarding or not, when you haven't played the game? You only have the claims... : Fayk
                • All those game reviews are LIARS, Ebu knows, he just knows. Don't ask how. HE KNOWS. : Boxelder
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      Demon's Souls is filling a niche that has not been catered to in a very, very, very long time. I am extre... : Modica Sol Solis
      • well actually I highly recommend Baroque (Wii or PS2) for a very fun first-person dungeon crawler with to... : Borzoi
    • It's the only one I've wanted to purchase for my PS3 since buying it a month ago. I borrowed LBP though ... : devi| dog
• I think I'm going to buy this game only to turn around and sell it shortly there after because it's too f... : Ellissd
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  Really pumped for this one... copy is being delivered from amazon today. Their release date delivery thi... : piser
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    I just got my copy from Amazon! Release date delivery is wonderful, except for the fact that this thing i... : wretchedradio
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      I have the Deluxe Edition sitting next to me, listening to the soundtrack. I was gonna flip through the a... : beanman101283
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        Did you get the edition with the strategy guide? Cos taking all my willpower just to keep from peeking at... : wretchedradio
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          Yes! I forgot to add that to the list. I've looked at a few pages. The actual walkthrough is a small perc... : beanman101283
          • I just flipped through it really quick and saw a bunch of stats for some armor, then I quickly put it dow... : wretchedradio
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  I will be hitting up the stores here in Utah tonight trying to find it : H@rvester
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    it's banned in Utah : gmd
    • it's banned in deserts! : confuseatron
  • dude I don't think a single store has it : kainen1
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  I will buy someones copy when they rage quit after a day. : pancake humper
  • if a video game monster kicks a players ass so hard that they return the game, do they get a monster meda... : spiderfill
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  Dammit, any Canadian shackers having trouble getting their preorder? I guess most stores haven't even ha... : Haku-Jin
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    amazon.ca is showing stock fwiw : veras
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      I think they're the only ones in Canuckistan. I guess I should've ordered through them, live and learn. : Haku-Jin
      • i just put in an order with them a couple hours ago (and chose cheap shipping), hopefully I get it by Fri : veras
    • Those stupid fuck-asses say it's shipping on the 9th, though, even though I am paying for goddamn priorit... : Majuju
  • My place says tomorrow. : Boxelder
• did anyone turn up the brightness in a dark area and realize how it covered up the bad aliasing? I turne... : JamesArhy
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  Why isn't Best Buy selling this game? : pancake humper
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    they hate the cock. : massdev
    • more like they love the cock. : mastermike569
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    Best Buy says that this game is not going to release or get to the store till the 11th WTFFF!! Pisses m... : mastermike569
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      I don't even see it on Bestbuy.com though :/ : pancake humper
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        Yea, I didnt either, it was confusing the hell out of the customer service chick but she transfered me ov... : mastermike569
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          I called Game Stop, they just got their copies in. I'll probably head over after work to pick it up. ... : pancake humper
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            I want to drop what I have left in my bank account for it but it leaves me short on money till next week.... : mastermike569
            • please don't : pancake humper
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  Apparently, Demon's Souls is being delivered by UPS, and some of my AV calibration stuff is being deliver : walker270
  • what AV calibration stuff ?! : Downforce
  • If a FedEx delivery guy and a UPS delivery guy deliver to the same door at the same time, they are requir... : Clay
  • as the DHL guy sits in his van and cries : gmd
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  It's sitting on my desk right now. Work can't end soon enough. :( : sevogajre
  • Im half tempted to go after work to gamestop to pick this up, however my fiancee is staying over for the ... : mastermike569
  • If the delivery status changes to "Delivered" before 1pm, I'm taking a half day. : walker270
• not until tomorrow here in montreal. I should just go back to sleep, this day sucks. : Boxelder
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  Awesome!! Delivery of your package has been delayed due to extreme weather conditions or an unforeseen... : pandastrong
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    Yeah, I just got this shit as well. But what I dont get is that on the tracking it says it's been out for... : kikilupo
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      pretty much the same here. im still going to hold out hope .. : pandastrong
      • Mine was delivered! Amazon was smoking crack. Keep hope alive! : kikilupo
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    The game is so hard it killed the delivery man. : Boxelder
    • lol : DM7
  • A demon attacked him. : DM7
• I hated to do it but I called ebgames and they said they JUST got their shipment in and have ' a few extr... : kainen1
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  ok while I'm sitting here waiting for stuff to deploy, explain to me what this game is and why I should p... : Clay
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    http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=25238 : yAak
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      URL blocked : Clay
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        [In this game design analysis, writer Quintin Smith profiles Demon's Souls, From Software's stealth seque... : pancake humper
        • well done sir : Clay
        • wow. after reading that it's like definitely a title worth risking money on trying. I havent done that ... : kainen1
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        bah. okay, a few excerpts from the article: Hack and slash dungeon crawler: ... Combat has been b... : yAak
        • or i could have just refreshed to see pancake humper's post : yAak
  • personally I like the unknown factor of opening up your gameplay to the internet. it's a HARD game, so t... : Downforce
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  Did Sony ever add cross-game chat to the PS3? 'cause it seems like this game would be fun chatting with ... : walker270
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    one thing that seems awesome is the "tagging" you can see. that might be the substitute for real chat is ... : Downforce
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      I was thinking more of just talking with others playing it. Like being in vent playing WoW with people n... : walker270
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        ahhh gotcha. a general holding tank for voice chat. : Downforce
        • What most people have been doing is being in party chat on their 360 while gaming on the PS3. :) : LoioshDwaggie
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    Suppose to be in the next firmware. : Vegtro
    • That smells like bullshit to me. : treefingers1
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  Gamespot review is up http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/rpg/demonssoul/review.html : Boxelder
  • damn! editors choice : kainen1
  • God everyone is gushing over this : pancake humper
• So I did it, despite my lack of cash i took the plunge and had gamestop put aside a copy since they only ... : mastermike569
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  Dunno why I made a new post. Took me two hours to beat the first level, that was including the tutorial t : skinlab133
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    Well I think the castle is the only area really that opens up short cuts that i know of, just the way the... : mastermike569
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      mild shortcut spoilers: nope there are a ton of other shortcuts. I don't want to say how many there are e : DeBurgo
      • Maybe it was not obvious enough to me or they were not as useful, there is one that was pretty useful in ... : mastermike569
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    so do you like it? : eeeealmo
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      I love what I've played so far, but I'm still a little leery of the difficulty. There were many times : skinlab133
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        Wait so you can't save at any time? 2 hours of gameplay with no save or checkpoint system is not enterta... : Begawkiness
        • People would abuse the shit out of the save system if you could save any where you want. : Ellissd
        • From what I've read, each area has numerous shortcuts you open up to make transversing the level easier a... : walker270
        • Also, no pause. This game demands that you don't play it casually. : Boxelder
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  on the delivery truck for me as well.. ordered from Amazon... can't wait to be out of work! shackers a... : inc77
  • ==> LordoftheJujubes : walker270
  • Add me too, Rambone : mastermike569
  • kainen1 : kainen1
  • My copy hasn't shipped from Amazon yet but go ahead and add me for when it eventually comes in - Inovius : Crw22
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  I want to play this game. someone loan me a ps3 please? : mwasher
  • i'll loan you my busted one that doesn't read disks. : sigpro
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    I have a 40gb I am trying to sell that I could let go for cheap to a shacker : pancake humper
    • $72.53 : mwasher
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      $5. I'll come pick it up and save you the hassle of shipping it. : tashtego
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        If you seriously want it, I could hook you up if you wanted to pick it up. I hate shipping things! : pancake humper
        • I do want a PS3 but I am in super-saving-money mode right now. Thanks, though! : tashtego
• United Pot Smokers were unusually fast, mine arrived early this afternoon. : Durandal07
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  Amazon still hasn't shipped my copy. :( : omnova
  • It seems like all us hype machines have to wait and all the fence people have a copy! Bitter irony. : Boxelder
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    Sucky. They shipped mine, and even overnighted it (I have prime, so expected to get it a day late). I ord... : Fayk
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      I pre-ordered in July. This isn't fair. I'm protesting. : omnova
      • I bought the deluxe edition, maybe that's it? (I have no idea why I did) DELUXE PRIME, BITCHES : Fayk
  • mine just shipped and should be here tomorrow (eeeeeeeeeee) : Majuju
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  i've been avoiding reviews on this, but i have one question: is this similar to roguelikes? : dirge23
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    I've never played rouguelikes but at least one review has made the comparison. : Boxelder
    • that's probably enough for me to jump all over this : dirge23
  • I love sneaking behind enemies and stabbing them all the way through from the back. : mastermike569
  • From what I can tell, sort of. But levels aren't procedurally generated. And death isn't permanent but ... : Perturbation
  • like i was saying further up- if you want a good console roguelike, you want to play Baroque. There are a... : Borzoi
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  Game Stop more like Rape Stop! http://www.shackpics.com/files/iPhoneUpload_efnlbk15oa2i0c5ibeum.jpg : pancake humper
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    god there must have been a shacker willing to give you more for those titles : dirge23
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      I've had a spare copy of MGS4 lying around since I got my PS3 (bundle version, still sealed). Kept meani... : omnova
      • $15 shipped : OverloadUT
  • why did you do it! :\ : mo13
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    Well what did they do with the $21 in trades they give you? Because it looks like you payed full price fo... : ghost in my shell
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      They separate it like that and apply the discount after rape-taxes : pancake humper
      • That's pretty slimey. : Ebu
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    I'm looking at that receipt and all I see is how little you pay in taxes. Fucking Canada. : Ellissd
    • i pay less than he does. GST only. \m/ : johnny rotten
  • you get way more money selling on the AH than at the vendor, pancake :( : electroly
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    I would have given you $20 for LBP :( : Clay
    • Dude, so would I. : / : DM7
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    pancake, good job on getting rid of LBP. I'm sure you could have sold it to a sucker for at least $20, h... : CrustaR
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      Don't like LBP? I'll give you $20 for a working copy. : DM7
      • Thankfully I never made the mistake of purchasing it. :| : CrustaR
      • I wouldn't say that I don't like it, but it is WAY overhyped. I don't get that. It's a nifty game. Four p... : Ebu
  • Are you fucking kidding me : OverloadUT
  • you got rid of lbp you are a bad person!!! : Mr.SEX
  • check your SMs god I probably would've bought LBP from you too I HAVE NO SELF CONTROL : tashtego
• Wow, edge gave it a 9 - that's rare http://www.edge-online.com/magazine/review-demons-souls : Boxelder
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  So, I've been playing DS for a couple of hours now, and just beat the first stage. All I have to say i : DianeOfTheMoon
  • You talked me in to preordering this, so I'm glad you've now played it and continue to praise it. It's si... : Ctrl-Phreak
• Bleh, I just went and picked it up despite not needing a new game to play :( "mechanicalgrape" if you... : mechanicalgrape
• Don't rush in. Demon's Souls is quick to teach you! : irrerno
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  damn this shit is amazing so far. question - when you hit an archstone and go back to nexus and save - w... : kainen1
  • From what I understand, the only way to protect souls it to spend them on things. I haven't been able to... : yAak
• apparently best buy will not be carrying this title. newegg I will never stray from you again. : Downforce
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  >:( So many games! NOT ENOUGH MONEY! : freakynipples69
  • You chose... poorly. : Ctrl-Phreak
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  I'm watching this guy play it right now: http://gaming.justin.tv/vensito : Vincent Grayson
  • This guy is retarded. : skinlab133
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    cool, this game seems pretty intense. fun to watch : strider_
    • could do without his asinine commentary though : strider_
  • Mute on : kill9
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    this just looks painful to play : gmd
    • It plays really well. The combat is a lot of fun. It's the other mechanics that are suspect to some. : skinlab133
  • he is about to rage quit lol : pancake humper
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  update: i still want to play this badly. someone tell me it sucks. : mwasher
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    it sucks : mikecyb
    • lying : pancake humper
    • don't lie mikecyb : mwasher
  • No it doesn't, buy it. : DM7
  • so far it's totally rad. combat is really fun, feels deep and threatening, lots of character. : kainen1
• My copy is here and I am almost ready to partake. YAY FROM SOFTWARE. p.s. - add me on PSN if you wanna... : Borzoi
• Hey Look TREASURE!! Instant Death =[ : irrerno
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  wow this game is awesome as fuck. I finished the tutorial and beat the first boss. No deaths except for 1... : pancake humper
  • mine looks good. gotta go to advanced edit or details or whatever it is and you can hit left and right f... : kainen1
  • That's what armor is for. ;D : DM7
  • No deaths except for when I died! : Ebu