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• no im pretty sure blockbuster just buys the game and puts it on the shelf : Chandler55
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  I'm pretty sure there aren't any royalties or deals worked out between the game industry and places like ... : mikecyb
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    I am trying to compare the gaming industry and rentals with the book publishing industry and libraries, b... : dognose
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      margin on books is a lot higher. making a game is super expensive and requires a lot of people to do (as... : mikecyb
      • cyber mike, I am always amazed at how much you type sometimes because you are normally a fairly quiet dud... : CrustaR
  • Thats what I was thinking, didnt know for sure. Maybe I should buy the next great game, Forza 3! : posito
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    but doesn't the license on the software explicitly state you can't rent it? : filthysock
    • No. Obviously. : Albemuth
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    I sort of think there must be a deal between publishers and those places, though I doubt most independent... : Agrona
    • I have never heard anything about that, and I often hear the opposite from developers but I'd be interest... : mikecyb
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  I believe game rental places like Blockbuster (maybe Gamefly) actually do give royalties to the publisher... : mittense
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    (Royalties is not the right term here, though). : mittense
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      I know for the movie industry the studio gets a percentage of rental fees from Blockbuster or whoever. H... : mikecyb
      • Does the movie industry still get a cut? I know for sure they did with VHS rentals. In exchange for that ... : Prozium
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    No. : GeorgeB3DR
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      but Blockbuster/Gamefly are buying the copies for more than $60 right? So it's not like the devs get abso... : derelict515
      • Not to my knowledge. Even if they do buy a copy for say $180, I'm not sure devs see that revenue, and ev... : GeorgeB3DR
      • No, they are just retail copies. DVD rental copies are different, they are actually a lot more expensive... : qsylvr
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      Why don't you negotiate your contracts to do this? You're leaving tons of money on the table. There mus... : ra1n
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        Because it's impossible. Negotiate with who? The publisher? Not their problem. The retailer like Game... : GeorgeB3DR
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          legally you can't go and buy a cd from a store and then play it over the air for your customers at your o... : mwasher
          • I was thinking the same thing. Plus, there's that warning at the beginning of movies that used to say som... : ArcKnight
          • There is still only one person using the license at a time. If they went after them they'd also have to g... : Ebu
          • This is correct. I think the leverage issue is the culprit. : ra1n
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          What do you even mean? Change the EULA, and then sue if they violate it. : SenorSpine
          • it doesn't work that way. i forget the details but I think there are laws in place that make it legal fo... : GeorgeB3DR
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          Is there no protection like that for movies? How come there's none for videogames? : Mad Brahmin Disease
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            you can rent the DVD as soon as it comes out, but there is a period where it's available in the movie the... : alexthegreat2
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              I still cant cant over the fact that so many people don't think a person should have the right to make mo... : freqq28
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                there is a difference between making money off a work, and extracting every penny out of it. Do you ever... : alexthegreat2
                • and this is an extreme example, my point still stands - I'm guessing if it was your work, you'd want ever... : freqq28
          • There is protection for this in all copyrighted work. In a vaccuum, the rights for a video game are the ... : ra1n
        • It's not impossible. It is likely improbable. : ra1n
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  Not - a - dime. : GeorgeB3DR
  • ^^^^This is the only correct answer... Unfortunately. : posito
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    Is it possible that rentals might encourage purchases via word of mouth? : dognose
    • Not with an 8 hour game : SenorSpine
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      Every developer would give up rentals, and just count on sold copies for word of mouth, given the choice.... : GeorgeB3DR
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        Or, developers could concentrate on giving me a reason to purchase over renting. You guys know what's ... : Vincent Grayson
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          Yeah, ok. Not realistic, though. "Make a better game so I don't rent it". Great. Even games like Gear... : GeorgeB3DR
          • Rental and used copies are what people are willing to pay. If a game has a retail price higher than what... : slickdoody
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            It doesn't have to be "better", but the purchase prices needs to better reflect what I'm willing to pay. ... : Vincent Grayson
            • This is unrealistic. The used/rental price will always be lower than the retail price. So even if a new A... : uncleanmonkey
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          massive DLC? :| : Chandler55
          • This is probably one of the better solutions, because while it doesn't *prevent* renting, it makes it so ... : Vincent Grayson
          • How about making the game a DLC to begin with? That's the future IMO. : uncleanmonkey
      • I gamefly a game. If that game is good, I keep it. I save 20%, I get a fun game, the dev still gets paid.... : Ebu
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    That's not entirely true. Those physical copies don't just materialize. : Ebu
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      We are talking about them making money form each time their game gets rented.... He pointed out that th... : posito
      • i don't see how anyone would assume devs would get money for each rental. Movie studios would have corne... : dignan
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    So how is renting a game any better than pirating it? : SockMonkeh
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      From a developers standpoint there is no difference at all. : GeorgeB3DR
      • I guess that makes sense, Blockbuster buys one copy and rents it out to 400 different people. : jingletard
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        So then why is piracy ruining PC gaming when renting is so rampant on consoles (and doesn't exist on PCs)... : SockMonkeh
        • ^ George? : underground banana plantation
        • Consoles ruined pc gaming, far more than piracy did. People just like to point out the piracy thing. Al... : GeorgeB3DR
        • Rentals aren't rampant, since you can only have one person per game playing at a time. Piracy doesn't hav... : uncleanmonkey
        • Renting exists on PC, I've seen it, it's an abomination. : Cliffzorz
        • Probably because people still buy the console games, for whatever reason. Plus you're still playing a pa... : DinK
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        except for all the copies of the game that are sold to the video store to begin with, right? : slickdoody
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          True, you can still easily rent shitty games which may not sell otherwise : nevlos
          • I like renting games that have no long term value. $60 is a LOT of money for 5-10 hrs of entertainment, ... : slickdoody
      • That is a profoundly disturbing concept. : nevlos
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        Well technically the renters have to buy the game, but then again so do the guys who provide the RIP. I'd... : locater16
        • A lot of rips are leaks or theft, not legit purchases : Ebu
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    GeorgeB, may I state that I enjoyed Duke3d.exe thoroughly and that it is a good thing that people cannot ... : CrustaR
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      Of course they can. Hell, you can rent PC games at my local libraries. Ancient ones, but definitely not i... : Mad Brahmin Disease
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        WHAT THE -- Even the mighty Duke3d.exe??!? : CrustaR
        • Of course. The DUKE doesn't use protection. : LoioshDwaggie
• this was discussed on idle thumbs recently :O : Chandler55
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  Why not forbid rental in the EULA and then try to enforce it? : yakz
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    you don't think that would cause a boycott / backlash? worse has happened for far less. : dignan
    • People will buy good games, even if they throw a hissy-fit mid-transaction. : yakz
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    I believe it's simply illegal to try to stop places like Blockbuster or Gamefly from renting games. If i... : GeorgeB3DR
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      George. Used game sales or rentals. which hurts you more? : dignan
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        Hard to say. Rentals, on week 1 of a release, kill retail sales at the very time you are making the most... : GeorgeB3DR
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          Well, they don't get 100% of the money, they pay the customer $15-$20, sometimes $25, so they actually ne... : Ebu
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            And often the buy games back for $4 and sell them for $24. The point being that they are making HUNDREDS... : GeorgeB3DR
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              Dude, I'm not arguing that they're making a killing. That's pretty much common knowledge. On the othe... : Ebu
              • I'd be happy if Gamestop went out of business, vs them selling used copies of all the games. I think mos... : GeorgeB3DR
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              Why don't game publishers sell games for $60 in the first week, $50 in the second week, $40 by the third ... : edgewise
              • I know that for me, $30 for a 3-4 month old game would be a huge incentive. : Ebu
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                Because then most people would just wait for the price drop and profit cuts would be all over the place -... : pixelat3d
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                  I don't know about most people waiting. You think the millions of COD4 fanatics are going to wait 1 month... : edgewise
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                    With regards to the leaderboards, in 3 Months in am i going to care about trying to compete hardcore in C... : pixelat3d
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                      they won't forget if it's good. I just bought Uncharted, a 2 year old game. : edgewise
                      • Hello, have you met my Friend Beyond Good and Evil? That bad boy was like $10 out the gate, and even afte... : pixelat3d
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                    This is a *HUGE* problem I have with console titles. The prices don't drop nearly fast enough. CoD4 on co... : Vincent Grayson
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                      Prices drop in relation to sales. The game is selling, the prices don't drop. The game tanks 2 months a... : GeorgeB3DR
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                        Except that's not entirely true, because there's such a "standard" of pricing that it seems clear many pu... : Vincent Grayson
                        • ^^^^^ : dignan
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                          That's true. What's also true, and proven, is that you don't sell 2x the copies at half the price, so low... : GeorgeB3DR
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                            Who's going to be first and take that chance with a high profile title... Valve already took that chan... : nakedsavage
                            • Found some more numbers: http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/57308 Again, the limited timeframe o... : nakedsavage
                            • There are also other examples like NFL2k5. That game came out at $19.99 and was selling comparably to 800 : armybob
            • Used sales accounted for $2 billion last year in the US alone... : uncleanmonkey
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          can't games go the way of OS's for example with CDKEYS, only original CDKEY registers are allowed to play... : dignan
          • if all downloads were digital and tied to an account, like XBLA games, then yes. : GeorgeB3DR
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            It's probably heading there, next consoles should have barcode scanners for people who buy retail. : nevlos
            • hmm, unique bar codes per disc w/ a reader bulit into the dvd/BR drive to check disk and report to server... : dignan
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            What if I after a couple of years I wanted to give a really game too a Shacker as part of a White Elephan... : mtgDoofy
            • single player only? : dignan
            • The key used to unlock the game is a function of both your machine serial and the game serial. So in orde... : uncleanmonkey
        • Rather than legislation forcing a non-rental period, why not change it to allow contract freedom, i.e. be... : Marrbe
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      You can't rent Windows. If you really wanted to stop rentals, you could. : yakz
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        Console games are different than PC games for some reason I can't recall. Nintendo sued Blockbuster in ... : GeorgeB3DR
        • You probably have private contracts with the platform holders limiting your ability to license your produ... : yakz
        • A one te activation would have a huge impact, I see the attraction. Would there be any backlash from Game... : nevlos
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      Legislation to change it would be practically impossible and IMO a waste of time anyway seeing as digital... : K1Bond007
      • That said, I think we're a ways off from this anyway. It'd also kill impulse buys. Considering Amazon and... : K1Bond007
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  Why should they? I mean, they make money on the initial sale, and its not like other companies get to mak... : ruckboos
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    Then give us (by law) a time window by which used/rented games cannot happen. Movies do this, but only b... : GeorgeB3DR
    • The arcade used to be the movie theater. : edgewise
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      I would not be opposed to that in practice, but I am in principle. Creating yet another law to coddle a s... : Ebu
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        They won't always choose the cheapest option, but price is important. : edgewise
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          The average gamer does. The Shack has a fairly high standard of living as web forums go (or at least a : Ebu
          • I'm counting my own shopping habits in there. $5 sale on Steam? yes Gogamer madness thing? yes BOGO ... : Ebu
    • I do not think laws are the way to fix this nor should they be. : Evil Benius
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      Fuck that, such a law would obstruct market forces that are driving alternative distribution channels, am... : yakz
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        So you don't think it's unfair that Halo 3 launches and you can immediately rent the game or buy a used c... : GeorgeB3DR
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          I'm saying it's a choice. Contracts, evaluation of market forces, whatever. If you won't prevent your gam... : yakz
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            Except there are laws in place to prevent you from preventing the game from being rented. : uncleanmonkey
            • Feel free to prove that one, cause I don't believe it. The law guarantees you the right to rent the game ... : yakz
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      Why though? Why should video games be different? I understand your movie analogy but I do not think it... : harvord
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        And when you buy a game you're not really buying the disk, you're buying the experience of playing the ga... : uncleanmonkey
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          Your statement is incorrect. Autodesk argued this in court and lost. : harvord
          • The Autodesk case was fairly limited. The reseller was not the original purchaser of the software and was... : yakz
    • I really do sympathize because it means low-budget, small run games (I'm thinking games from Atlus as an ... : ruckboos
    • then dont release it to places that sell it. only to internet cafes and arcade type places. cause that is... : sleepyvt
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      Based on the amount of money the industry is making every year, I'd say things are going just fine. : Vincent Grayson
      • Given that 85% of games lose money, and that studios are closing down all over the place, and that even m... : uncleanmonkey
    • the theatre also only costs 2x what a rental dvd does and 1/2-1/3 what it does to buy a dvd. Buying a gam... : alexthegreat2
• You are allowed to rent out retail games. I have been involved in the business before, you just buy the g... : DogDharma
• i think the last game i rented was on the snes. i own way too many games. : CoRDS
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  The problem is the games cost too much. I'm not saying that they're not worth $60 in developer time, or t... : edgewise
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    Games have always been $50. Go back and look at 2600 through NES through PS1 and today. If anything, ga... : GeorgeB3DR
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      You're right, they're historically accurately priced, but the market is changing as you can clearly see. ... : edgewise
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        The problem is that many of the games are simply disposable. How many games are you willing to play over... : Thresher
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          They are certainly more replayable than movies, you only rewatch really really good movies, and I've cert... : imperator
          • I disagree. You can rewatch a movie in 2 hours and get a lot of enjoyment out of it, and you can do it wh... : Ebu
      • Absolutely, the average family who makes $40k/year with a two or three mouths to feed might have a hard t... : armybob
    • I guess the question is if the increase in the consumer demand (install base of consoles) is proportional... : nevlos
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      Dear George, What is your take on the math presented here: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/... : SwiftyPants
      • That system works best with the gradual conversion to a digital distribution system, as bandwidth is much... : Ebu
  • I agree with you there, BUT you also have to realize that : a) games are not like food = a necessity ... : X-GOUKI
  • I agree 100% I would probably buy 10-15 games per year if they were $30. I'll only let myself buy 2-3... : MagicWishMonkey
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  Why don't the publishers buy out Gamestop, or at least invest in it? : ThereCanBeOnlyOneCat
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    Gamestop makes as much per year as a lot of game publishers. Interesting fact, eh? : GeorgeB3DR
    • So invest in their business! : ThereCanBeOnlyOneCat
  • would that even be legal? : edgewise
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    i never understood why EA or one of the larger studios never started a gamestop like service/locations : dignan
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      EA struggles to make money and be profitable as it is. : GeorgeB3DR
      • i mean years and years ago, like Funco Land days : dignan
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  Good chat guys. Gotta run. Surrogates. : GeorgeB3DR
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    you should wait to rent in on DVD. : edgewise
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      But I'm willing to pay release day rates! System works. : GeorgeB3DR
      • this tells me making games is plenty lucrative! you've voided everything above... ;) : dignan
  • twitter whether or not it sucks, i suspect it will be terrible = ( : pixelat3d
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  I guess this why DLC is so important to developers. My friend borrowed fallout 3 from me, and bought all ... : filthysock
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    lending games to people, piracy? I mean they get the enjoyment of the game, they can finish it - they ha... : dignan
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      I think it's just more of a reality you have to deal with. The problem with piracy (in this age) is the i... : pixelat3d
      • yea, im just trying to open the discussion more : dignan
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      It's first-sale doctrine. Sealy doesn't get a cut when I give my old mattress away, and they shouldn't. D... : yakz
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        Sure, but what happens when you need a new mattress? You just gave the new one away- yours is *still* ra... : YamatoTwinkie
        • Allowing that kind of usage of a game (or any software) is a business decision. You don't have to allow i... : yakz
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  Pretty well bang on: Let our games be released for X amount of time before they can be rented to the publ... : eonix
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    That's fine: enforce it with contracts and technology. There are plenty of laws protecting those. : yakz
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      You keep saying this and I'm telling you there is no current method to achieve those results. It's easy ... : GeorgeB3DR
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        The government doesn't force you to make games or release them for certain platforms. They don't require ... : yakz
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          You can't sell a product while stipulating to the buyer that he's not allowed to resell (or rent) it. The... : uncleanmonkey
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            Yeah, the disc and the box it came in... but software is licensed to end-users, not sold. You can absolut... : yakz
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              I don't think you can. People have tried this before, the only reason it's allowed for PC applications is... : uncleanmonkey
              • It has been done before... DivX was an example of trying to control rental through software. It was a flo... : yakz
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    The problem with this is that video games have shifted their roles over the years. Since the death of arc : pixelat3d
    • Really? I always assumed the games were bought from the publisher for a higher price. : Vincent Grayson
• No but they made money when the rental place bought it : ninjase
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  Digital distribution = no rentals, more money for developers, and a whole lot less money for middle men. ... : locater16
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    where will the game stop employees get jobs :[ : Chandler55
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      Grooming pets. They aren't fit for much else in my experience. Especially customer service. : reznory
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        Great, just what I need. "Would you like to buy a strategy guide for your kitten?" : kingdok
        • You'll need one for the boss encounters doot-doot-doot doodoodoodoo : d fluke
      • Post 21,000,000! : GrimmyD
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  Didn't video stores used to pay 10x the cost for DVD's than regular people. : abrasion
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    i mentioned this above, that was mainly in the VHS days, I remember seeing an invoice for $180 for one VH... : dignan
    • I think that was also because rental copies came on higher quality tapes due to their heavy usage : alexthegreat2
  • yea in the old days, these days they just pay wholesale cost. : DogDharma
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    Yes. But there was also the 6 month delay before video took over, ensuring that most of the money that co... : GeorgeB3DR
    • yea the lead time from theater to video store was at least double what it is these days : dignan
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  3 months early, sell the games as "complete" only to rental places for $200. That way developers get ex... : cerealSAM2
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    $200 for a rental is great, until you realize that they will rent it 4 times in the first month in most c... : GeorgeB3DR
    • if 1 in 10 buy the game though? : dignan
    • Alright charge $300. This problem can be solved without the gov't intervention : Perturbation
    • and why do you think any of those 4 people would have bought the game otherwise? : alexthegreat2
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  So developers must love digital distribution then. No resale. No rentals. No distribution fees. No brick ... : ysbreker
  • I think they fixed that with online activation of DVD distributed software... And usually digitally distr... : matthaeus
  • Developers like it. Publishers love it. The digital distribution service loves it more, though. Valve ... : qsylvr
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  I can't believe this discussion has gone this retarded. People with different economic interests spen... : geedeck
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    He should keep quiet before someone decides to stock video games at the library : alexthegreat2
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      Like they do here in the Netherlands you mean? : ysbreker
      • man I love the netherlands : alexthegreat2
    • They do in the UK : marmite
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    "Some people rent games that they would never buy, maybe they don't think it's a good investment" Th : fluke
    • Absolutely. We're generally pretty critical consumers of games here, right? Not critical as "this suc... : geedeck
    • I think this post perfectly illustrates the major disconnect in this thread. The problem isn't with you (... : pixelat3d
    • well, you are getting to try before you buy. what else can you do that with? : dignan
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    PC games were prohibited from being rented, borrowed and traded once cd keys were introduced. Should this... : Klebold
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      In regards to PC games, I think every game should try to have a LAN-buddy component like how StarCraft ha... : geedeck
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        So you're saying you're fine with a flawed market basically eliminating SP games? I'm not. I don't care a... : uncleanmonkey
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          I'm not saying that at all! Not at all what so ever. I should clarify, that I think MP games should h... : geedeck
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            i think thats the point, no-one has come up with a good solution - however it doesn't even seem like that... : Klebold
            • I disagree. I think there are tons of good ways of making retail more attractive, and it's up to the game... : geedeck
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    it comes down to 'do you want more GameStops/Blockbusters/etc in your local strip mall or do you want dev... : eskimo spy
    • Most games are definitely NOT worth $60 I don't like throwing my money away so I don't buy many new ga... : MagicWishMonkey
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      That's a simplistic perspective that I cannot agree with. The gaming eco system is richer than a bina... : geedeck
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        just making sure people are aware, as the original poster apparently was not. I'm making no assumptions, ... : eskimo spy
        • "the current rental system is entirely parasitic in nature" That is false and a bad statement. You pr : geedeck
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    You're basically saying "screw weather or not the market actually produces an efficient solution, capital... : uncleanmonkey
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      I beg to differ and don't believe that's the situation at all. Game making has gone on for over 30 ye... : geedeck
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        A system that's fundamentally retail of a product where >50% of profits are siphoned off to middlemen is ... : uncleanmonkey
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          Fairly easily actually. First, show me your numbers. I really don't believe that GameStop takes over half... : geedeck
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            Used sales represents 1/3 of sales, and they get 100% of the profit from that. They also get a big chunk ... : uncleanmonkey
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              But if used game sales are that lucrative, why isn't someone undercutting them? That's just basic economi... : geedeck
              • I think the vaaaast portion of the value in a game is in the actual playing. The reason people aren't 100... : uncleanmonkey
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      The "market" mantra is pretty tired IMO. The market is just one tool, it shouldn't be the only tool. : Fred Garvin
      • It is a very powerful force, however, and one where external manipulation generally causes more harm than... : Ebu
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    George is coming at this from a purely development perspective, you're coming at it from a purely consume : pixelat3d
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      There should be no compromise. If the market as it is does not work for developers, then they need to ch... : edgewise
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        I'm hoping this is sarcastic? ; ) : pixelat3d
        • There is truth in edgewise's statements, but it's not so easy to get it done. The music industry has n... : sukabljat
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          not at all. If the gaming industry is driven to making $5 ipod games because those are the only things pr : edgewise
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            I agree 100% People buy cheap/used games because they don't *want* to spend $60 on something that coul... : MagicWishMonkey
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              I wonder if you read my stupid long post beforehand? I'm not talking about restricting consumer choice at : pixelat3d
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                You're talking about restricting used game sales... Do you think it would be fair if you had to give ... : MagicWishMonkey
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                  I'm not talking about restricting anything at the consumer level, maybe I'm not being clear enough? I ... : pixelat3d
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                    If Gamestop had to pay money from used game sales back to developers they would pass the extra cost on to... : MagicWishMonkey
                    • ^^ Exactly. : hadronflux
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                      Would they though? Everyone knows already that they're getting reamed in the arse when they sell a game b... : pixelat3d
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                        Yes they would that's how economics works. When you add unnecessary regulations to a market you restrict ... : MagicWishMonkey
                        • I don't think you're examining it hard enough. If they cranked the prices on used games people will b... : pixelat3d
                      • Yes, they would. You're both coming at it from a developer perspective. There is no reason to legislat : Ebu
          • 100% yes : Ebu
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        You're assuming, with no evidence, that just letting the market sort things out will end up with an optim... : uncleanmonkey
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          ^^ this. Also you shouldn't use the music industry as an example, it's basically eating itself alive. ... : pixelat3d
          • good, the music industry is a model of greed and excess. it should be burnt to the ground. : edgewise
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          Saying he's assuming with no evidence is pretty much an ad hominem attack. There is basic economic logic ... : geedeck
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            Economics doesn't say "the market is always the optimal solution". It's not an ad hominem, btw, it's a fa... : uncleanmonkey
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              Wow that would be fucked up. I hope you don't really think tying a game to a single user would be a good ... : MagicWishMonkey
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                Why not? It would neatly circumvent 99% of the resources lost to retailers, making the system far more ef... : uncleanmonkey
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                  Do you think people should be allowed to resell music? What about movies or books? : MagicWishMonkey
                  • I think all of those suffer from the same problem, but to far lesser degrees. Again, I don't think indivi... : uncleanmonkey
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              No, I disagree. Economic logic is a factual basis which to start theories with. If they can not succeed v... : geedeck
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                You're not using economics. Again, economists don't say "free market or bust", ideologues say that. Somet... : uncleanmonkey
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                  I would totally go for a cheap, play once experience. : edgewise
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                    Yeah, or even just "play as often as you like, but you can't resell it". IMO retail prices are waaaay ... : uncleanmonkey
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                      And part of the thing, is I think these rental concerns can just be better addressed through things like ... : geedeck
                      • Trust me, we would LOVE to make cheaper games. Like I said, I think the sweetspot for maximizing consumer... : uncleanmonkey
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          optimal solution? You mean where games come out in a month, run on all hardware at 300 fps, look like cry... : edgewise
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            that answer might not make my point very well. What's "optimal"? The situation as it is? You know wha... : edgewise
            • I would like to be able to return games for a full refund within 48 hours of my purchase. It pisses me... : MagicWishMonkey
            • That's only optimal from the consumer perspective though, you have to look at all three parts of the "tri... : pixelat3d
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            Optimal in the sense of economics, not optimal in the sense of your strawman. Again, you seem to assum... : uncleanmonkey
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              I don't tihnk of it as an end goal, but it shouldn't be disrupted because we have some artificial "optima... : edgewise
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                The point is that the free market is *one* solution to essentially a dynamics problems. Quite often the f... : uncleanmonkey
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                  But what is so bad about the current system? Like I don't get that part. I'm happy the way things are. I ... : geedeck
                  • What's so bad? Again, about half of the money spent on games never make it to anyone who actually adds va... : uncleanmonkey
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      I don't think I'm coming at it from a purely consumer perspective at all. I've made many pro-game dev poi... : geedeck
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        The problem with 1st use DLC is that of declining value. If i get a game within the first week i'm going : pixelat3d
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          I think you're getting stuck on the nuts and bolts, instead of the general idea that people should incent... : geedeck
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            I think the nuts and bolts are really important within the context of this discussion. What you're missin... : pixelat3d
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              The nuts and bolts aren't though. You were criticizing the first week bonus. I think it's a great idea, i... : geedeck
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                World peace would be great too, awesome idea ... how do we do it? The devil is always in the details. ... : pixelat3d
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                  The root issue? STOP SPENDING TOO MUCH TO MAKE A GAME NOBODY WANTS TO BUY : Ebu
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                    That is a direct result of the ecosystem though. Publisher create Generic shooter X because generic shoot... : pixelat3d
                    • No, they hired to create X because X-1 sold well, assuming that X and X+1 will also. When they don't, the... : Ebu
• I have never understood the reasoning behind dealing with used games at a retailer. You give back a game ... : ladelulaku
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  I really think the solution is digital distribution. Put the game up for digital download a few weeks be... : Crimsonbeak
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    i agree - physical media is a large part of the problem. : multisync
    • If the "problem" is a game that will be mine forever, without restrictions imposed by a 3rd party nor a r... : Ebu
• Not a single red cent. : Fred Garvin

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• It, Nightmare on Elm Street, Dracula. TIm Curry will forever be creepy to me. : akirabob
• My mom used to have this book: http://www.stephenking.com/library/novel/cycle_of_the_werewolf.html There... : jahulio2
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  Poltergeist. This was when I was 9. Left alone at home for the first time during a thunderstorm, on my Da... : Stoned Gargoyle
  • Poltergeist for me, too. Thanks, mom. : Mad Brahmin Disease
• My parents took me to see Jaws in 1975. I wouldn't go back in the Gulf of Mexico for several years after... : Thresher
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  Scary Stories freaked me the hell out, especially the pictures. : theangrywaffles
  • http://books.google.com/books?id=qjeXf1eXh6QC&dq=scary+stories&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=0Nhm6Qv8... : theangrywaffles
  • Yikes same here. I couldn't even have it in the same room as me at night. Scared the drawings might come ... : mayooms
• they all float down here : redfive
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  I saw It's Alive when I was 5 of 6 years old at the drive in with my parents. They would take all 4 of us... : malevolence
  • I remember that. I was in 4th grade when it came out and friends were telling me about it. Scary shit. : Thresher
  • http://www.upcominghorrormovies.com/movie/its-alive : dognose
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    Dude holy shit that movie horrified me as a kid too. I can't believe anyone has ever seen it besides me. ... : bozer
    • Blood streaming out of the milk truck :) : dognose
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  Nuclear annihilation. When I moved to Colorado Spring in the fourth grade, the first thing my dad said... : cornchak
  • If it help I still have a reoccurring nightmare where incoming ICBMs are hitting and I'm watching everyon... : steauengeglase
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  Clown episode of Are You Afraid of the Dark? : givemesnacks
  • Nosferatu episode. : mayooms
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  The scene in Nightmare on Elm Street when Freddy stretches out his arms super long and scrapes the sides ... : Iazu
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    Oh, and the scene in Poltergeist when the guy tears his face apart in the mirror. : Iazu
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      Ahh holy shit I always forget about that part and then when I rewatch the movie I'm suprised and scared a... : gigaduck
      • Same here. I also forget the ghost people on the stairs. Oddly enough, everyone I know finds that movie l... : steauengeglase
• Walking home late at night and hearing shit following me in the woods. I would still get freaked out hear... : MagicWishMonkey
• Vigo from Ghostbusters 2 and the T-1000 from Terminator 2. I was lucky enough to never see IT as a child... : Mecha Tofu Pirate
• I had a Return of the Jedi record and I would freak whenever Jabba the Hutt would speak : manero
• Pet Cemetery, The Shining, Exorcist, and Amityville Horror (incidentally, the opening credits of Amityvil... : FS|Archangel
• Tales From the Crypt But I still watched it. : boarder2
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  The part in Pet Cemetery when the main characters wife is recalling her sister Zelda's death freaks me th... : mnsnota
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    RACHELLLLLLLL!!! : mnsnota
    • I can't sleep :( : mnsnota
  • I couldn't even bring myself to watch the whole clip, closed before Zelda even moved. : Dr Van Nostrand
• going into the bathroom and shutting off the lights and saying "bloody mary" 3 times and the ghost of mar... : headbone
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  Unsolved Mysteries D: : opengl128
  • That opening music is still creepy as fuck. If I was in a large house and the lights suddenly went out a... : chiisu81
  • yes. the music is still creepy as fuck to this day : hobosapien
  • Every time that show came on my brother and I covered our ears so we didn't have to hear the music. That ... : ArB
  • THIS. : pgharavi
  • there was another show that had creepy music..all i remember is it was normal and then the screen goes in... : deathofrats
• that fucking librarian from Ghostbusters :( : GloriousCow
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  the beginning of Doctor Who always scared me. : crust
  • I remember that music being creepy back when I was a kid, but it's very nostalgic now. : cerealSAM2
• There was a show i'm trying to remember, one episode inolved parents trying to scare their children by te... : GloriousCow
• the most scared I ever was as a kid was following a Kennedy assaniation documentary i watched with my par... : dignan
• Fire in the Sky creeped me out for a good long while : Ovate
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  I saw parts of The Thing when I was about 9 or 10...fucking freaked the shit out of me. : soggybagel
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    Also Alien i saw and it fucked me up too. : soggybagel
    • oh yeah. I had nightmares for years about the facehuggers when I was 8. : duffman03
• Time Life Mysteries of the Unknown commercials as a kid freaked me the fuck out.. : bcyde
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  Movie called Maximum Overdrive, saw it when I was really young. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091499/ ... : clawz
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    Or a hair dryer!!! : soggybagel
    • i love the coke machine shooting cokes at the guys in the beginning : dignan
  • uh, if a shacker doesn't know this movie by name or description they should be perma'd... :) : dignan
• Communion. I hate this movie to this day for scaring me. Christopher Walken didn't help http://www.y... : grabbie
• I watched Beatlejuice in theaters when I was 6-8 (too lazy to look up the release date) and I covered my ... : Grumbeld
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  My dad let me watch Se7en when i was maybe 8 or 9 years old. I remember two things from that movie: the p... : ruckboos
  • I also had a fear of killer robots after seeing Terminator around the same time. My dad was a great paren... : ruckboos
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  hijack¿ What was your first R rated movie? in the theaters.... did you sneak in or your parents take... : dignan
  • Blue Thunder for me, the helicopter movie. theater w/ parents. i prob played Time Pilot out in the lobb... : dignan
  • Alien 3. Sort of a tradition, my dad took my sister to see Alien 2, my sister took me to see Alien 3. : deathofrats
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  Maximillion from The Black hole. : abrasion
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    classic movie. I really liked the score to that one : grabbie
    • Don't ask how much I paid for my old bob kubrick :( http://www.thelogbook.com/toybox/the-black-hole-old-... : abrasion
    • I really like the Z-Trip mix of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWOMStHrtSM : Grumbeld
  • I was terrified he was going to find me and stick me inside of him. Something about the last scene in th... : LilCrypto
• Potato bugs. My mom used to tell me they would kill me if they bit me. She also said they could run fas... : jcrockerman
• Sea Urchins. They looked like the underwater spikes in Mega Man 2 and I thought that you died the mom... : slax0r
• when I was in 2nd grade I walked out of bed into the living room when my parents were watching The Thing ... : Halen
• Robocop was scary as shit when I was a kid, two scenes specifcally. The first is where ED-209 shoots the... : Horseshorses
• The movie Basketcase scared the shit out of me as a kid. : TrptJim
• Don't Be Afraid of the Dark. TV movie from 1973. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069992/plotsummary A... : cerealSAM2
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  The Peanut Butter Solution =/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2Cm4Cy3rxs this gave me nightmares not to b... : Dr Van Nostrand
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    Haha! That's Colonel Tighe from BSG as the dad. Nice 'stache. : cerealSAM2
    • Holy shit I didn't even notice that, nice! : Dr Van Nostrand
  • hahahaha oh Tigh : NFXFSX
• The Shining - the hallway scene and the bathtub scene. /heebiejeebies : hoopfam4
• Children of the Corn III: Urban Harvest. F that movie. : aldraek
• This 50s b-movie about a posessed severed hand that was killing people. and Dracula. and the creature f... : beastrabban
• I saw "The Blob" (original version) when I was 6 years old and it scared the SHIT out of not only me, but... : thetangent
• There was a commercial in the 80s for starving kids in Africa, and the one picture they showed for the ma... : Rag and Bone Man
• To this day, I still can't watch E.T. My mom took me when I was 3, it scared me so bad we had to leave t... : kallanta
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  That movie with the alien face on the cover, I never even saw it and the cover scared the shit out of me... : abrasion
  • http://www.beyondcommunion.com/film/communion_dvd_australia2.jpg : abrasion
• The nightmare scene in An American Werewolf in London. I think I was 16 until I stopped seeing nazi pig m... : steauengeglase
• Captain Howdy : yonderboy
• Unsolved Mysteries : lacker
• God, that part with the old lady and the tea that was blood freaked me out as a kid. : timmie
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  Terminator 2 during the beginning when you see the skull and then suddenly the T-800's foot smashes it. D... : NFXFSX
  • creepy, this kind of freaked me out a little bit as a kid too. : varsindarkin
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  PeeWee's Large Marge, and this weird science type show on tv episode where these guys are exploring an em... : deathofrats
  • oh and when i was younger, THEM scared the crap out of me because I lived in rural Florida, surrounded by... : deathofrats
  • large marge ruled my nightmares :( : biskits
• The remake of The Thing always got me as a kid. I also remember watching horror movies on Saturday nights... : Crabs Jarrard
• Mine are all pretty embarassing, as I was a big fraidy cat. 1) Demon Seed - watched this at at friend ... : SeaLlama
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  One my mates was reading IT years ago and on the morning of his birthday woke up with his parents having ... : MaddeningLoop
  • Oh, fuck, as a kid that would have been sheer horror for a couple minutes. : Conan
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  Labrynth : MamiyaOtaru
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    What part? It's one of my favorite movies and I'm trying to figure out what's scary about it. : TheMonkeyWench
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      bowie's enormous codpiece. i always laugh the most when sir didymus crosses the stones in the bog of eter... : pointyelbows
      • i shall conquer this mountain! : siknsyko
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        I'm trying to figure out how to simulate that bulge for my halloween costume. I might just strap a fake w... : TheMonkeyWench
        • get one of those sports cup protectors :D : pointyelbows
• Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory gave me nightmares. : smax
• Creepshow - The Crate : siknsyko
• The beginning title sequence for "Are You Afraid of the Dark?" when the camera went in the attic and shoe... : zuff
• The scene in E.T. where the men in space suits came and took E.T away. That and the classic albino decrep... : gimpness
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  the movie " gate to hell " or something. One of the construction works died while working on the house an... : imcompa
  • Oh and that mickey mouse movie with the dancing brooms. : imcompa
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  MONSTER SQUAD movie came out in 87, freaked out my 6yr old mine something awful, the monsters seemed so r... : shackwack
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    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093560/ : shackwack
    • WOLFMAN'S GOT NARDS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu6L9pG_E6o : AgentPothead
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    that is a fun movie : MoreVespeneGas
    • And it holds up today better than most fun 80s movies do. I was pleasantly surprised. : Conan
• Invaders from Mars. I don't even remember what it was about or why it freaked me out, but I remember it s... : Chunks
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  JAWS fucked me up for a long time, especially since I used to go to the beach every weekend : X-GOUKI
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    ahha still fucks me up if i swim in non-turquoise water hahaha, even in a lake I get scared : Utopia
    • lol same here. i know something is down there... waiting... : xsii
• Never saw the movie but the box cover of Ghoulies made me afraid to shit at night. http://theblarg.file... : Crimsonbeak
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  that movie Communion - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097100/ the aliens poking around corners and shit fre... : hobosapien
  • specifically this part - gives me the heebee jeebees http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szwvjXo_sHQ : hobosapien
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  When a Stranger Calls (1979), Squirm (1976), It, Thirst (1979), and The Exorcist : Vangoghs Ear
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    Squirm? Really? That was terrible. : Conan
    • Indeed. But as a kid, being eaten by worms... : Vangoghs Ear
• I remember The Thing scared the shit out of me. : jonin
• Jaws. Gah.. still hate that first scene with the kid getting dragged around. : Kolpath
• Totally corny now but at the time, no: Blood Beach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLklwhrinSI : Wolfanoz
• The Believers, the black voodoo guy scared the SHIT out of me for a few years : mnok
• I watched part of Alien at my friend's house when I was about 8. Jesus the facehuggers scared me, so a f... : duffman03

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• I still do Super Metroid atleast once a year, Mario 3 every other, and Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Pas... : bld
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  Chrono Trigger, Super Metroid, a ton of old shmups, Shadowrun (SNES). My virtual console games fill 5 pag... : Conan
  • Ive fired up CT once or twice. : bolneze
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    loved chrono trigger (naturally), but really liked shadowrun as well! wish i had the cart of it. : shadebane
    • Yeah, that original shadowrun game rocked. I played through it about a year ago. : MaJeStu
• Every now and then I fire up General Chaos on the emulator for some classy old school multiplayer : gimpness
• Harvest Moon. : Cliffzorz
• Sensible Soccer, Micro Machines, Super Metroid - the missus is still partial to PSX games, I've found her... : cause&effect
• Dungeon Master, Speedball 2, Elite+, NBA Jam on console : guigr
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  I keep getting uges to play Blaster Master. I'm also going through Ultima Underworld on the PC (DOS) : famine101
  • Blaster Master is fucking amazing, but sooooo hard : zerog83
• Super Mario World Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Mega Man X : sm00v3d
• Super Metroid, Shadowgate, and a full multiplayer game of Anticipation at least once a year. : freak!
• SimCity SNES: I downloaded it a few months ago... it's currently the only 16-bit game on my Wii VC. : leadgold
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  mario 2 : manero
  • awesome game : shirif
• text games. i'll fire up an Infocom title every now and then. : dirge23
• Mega Man 2, Super Metroid : zerog83
• I still fire up the Metal Slug Anthology on the PS2 and Ghouls N Ghosts in MAME. : .Jayson
• EVO Yeah! : nandu666
• I'm still finding new NES and Genesis games that I'd never played before. Cowboy Kid for NES is in my gam... : roushimsx
• Super Metroid, FFVI and Super Punch-Out. : Head Rush
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  Slight hijack: what old school games do you wish you finished? Zelda and Secret of Mana (almost finish... : sukabljat
  • Wait, why didn't you ever beat Link to the Past? That game was sex. :'( I wish I beat Shining Force 2.... : roushimsx
  • Ghouls and Ghosts on Genesis. I got to the last boss once but never finished it. : Head Rush
• Super Metroid, Castlevanias, Mega Mans : The Grolar Bear
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  Secret of Mana : nukewinter
  • oh, and sonic on the iphone / 360 : nukewinter
  • Does this still hold up? I wanted to re-play this one and then play the one that was fan translated (sinc... : Demius
• I busted out Uniracers last week. Still fun! : Super Sparker
• I only play 13 bit games but I can't find any :( : delataur
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  Commodore 64 - Ankh (64 Rooms) by David Van Brink Over 20 years after I first got it, I still can't co... : Kolpath
  • Mission: Impossible was the best C64 game : foo
• FF6, Chrono Trigger, Rock N Roll Racing, Rush N Attack, super mario bros. 3 : Navy Spitfire
• In addition to all the ones already posted, Donkey Kong Country 2 : noodleboy723
• ROBOTRON : drucifer
• We broke out the POWER PAD at a party here a week or two ago. That was awesome (and exhausting!). Otherwi... : SolveChrist
• I was playing through Legend of Zelda the other day, and I thought to myself, "Man, if I didn't know this... : slax0r
• Pilot Wings, Super Castlevania, Act Raiser, Star Fox. Not much. : WhatIsThisFor
• Mega Man X. Love this game. Basically I fire it up and just beat the whole damn thing whenever I want to ... : Duffman8369
• HL2 : capt tripps

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• lol : father_crown
• lol : SeaLlama
• lol : supermonkeyballz
• i hear you can get by on the lsat without studying if you are smart enough : Jackass1233
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  are you serious? : edgewise
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    Yeah, I'm serious. :( : Rice-Rocketeer
    • I...I think I had better go to bed. :| : Rice-Rocketeer
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  Is Wiki accurate that it's largely a reasoning test? It doesn't seem like that's the sort of thing that p... : Conan
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    After going over the practice materials on lsac.org, I don't think I'd be worried. It seems like a standa... : Conan
    • Yeah, the practice material seems easy. However, when you have a certain amount of time to complete them... : Portax
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    It's true that it's a reasoning test. However, there is some preparation involved such as learning how to... : Portax
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      I would think most people who'd had some college would already be a little familiar with that from prior ... : Conan
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        I never did a logic puzzle in any of my classes in college. My tests were usually essays or multiple choi... : Portax
        • For classes, sure; I meant more in the prep and testing college-bound people go through before. : Conan
    • Agreed... the logic games require some strategy but beyond that people either get it or they don't... : Reverb
• it's not too late to reconsider this law school thing : RikiTiki2
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  It's so not worth preparing for... as long as you are comfortable with the logic games... : Reverb
  • fuck, I've played both Professor Laytons, I be able to ace the LSATs : mindmann
• cya at mcdonald's behind the counter : whereiwannab
• Just wing it, man : mayooms
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  Fuck. And now I can't stop playing MORE Resident Evil 5. I got the Lightning Hawk, and I upgraded and ... : Rice-Rocketeer
  • GG, Rice-Rocketeer, GG. : famine101
  • Dude. Video games are a waste of time and your life. Go back to school damn it : Utopia
  • stop being an idiot about this and go study : moshman
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  How old are you,15? : imcompa
  • this : deadfish
  • yeah, this is pretty immature and dumb. : senseimoron
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  lol I did the same when I took the MCAT for the first time except it was CS:S : freshyk
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    haha, "...for the first time..." : geneshifter
    • Yeah lol. I did alright but I wanted to do a lot better. : freshyk
• got yo back, dawg: http://www.agkidzone.com/strawberryshortcake.action : siknsyko
• At least play something you can turn into a career, like Starcraft. : Mad Brahmin Disease
• So shouldn't you be playing Braid or doing hardcore hacks in Bionic Commando Rearmed for logic puzzles? : Lunatic Angelic
• lol ur fucked : Big Luke
• There are enough lazy lawyers. Skip it and go do something else please. : geneshifter

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  Trinity Above and Beyond - 90 minutes of atomic porn, god I love it. : abrasion
  • Oh and The Blue Planet and Planet Earth - excellent Sunday afternoon viewing. : abrasion
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    Second this for sure. Also worth checking out, in addition to what others have said: Deep Water: h... : NoCopy
    • Can believe I forgot this but also the greatest WW2 documentary of all time: The World at War (Series)... : NoCopy
• 1. Fog of War. 2. The Corporation. 3. Religulous 4. Shark Water. 5. Riding Giants. Just some off t... : Sgt_Boomstick
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  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1152758/ <- Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father http://www.i... : preachy
  • netflix doesn't have Small Town Ectasy!? : kingfish
• Hoop Dreams, American Dream, Harlan County USA, Hearts and Minds, Roger & Me, American Movie, Dogtown and... : soggybagel
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  Does Band of Brothers count? Others... I don't know that I'd call it top of all time, but I saw a quit... : Johnny Law
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    band of brothers? really?! : biskits
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      Pearl Harbor was a great documentary. Also Highlander. : soggybagel
      • The Highlander was a documentary and the events happened in realtime. : AgentPothead
  • haha : invisible_kid
  • Oh also, Grizzly Man. : Johnny Law
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    My favorite documentary is Kill Bill : sirsteven
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      Y'all are bandwagoning that joke a little too hard. I know it's not a simon-pure documentary, which is w... : Johnny Law
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        if Robocop happened today he would immediately be hacked by 4-chan and do unspeakable things as soon as h... : sirsteven
        • OBJECTIVE: Secure the safety of PedoBear : siknsyko
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  This Is Spinal Tap : Juno
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    Does this count? I thought it's labeled more as a mockumentary : mayooms
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      In that it's not a documentary of a real thing? Yeah, I don't think it counts. : Vincent Grayson
      • way to ruin the fun guys : Juno
    • It's a rockumentary! : Cowburn199
• My Name is Bruce : elosorojo
• Document of the Dead (1985) - a behind the scenes of Romero's Dawn of the Dead with extras. : siknsyko
• Hooked: Illegal Drugs and How They Got That Way : biskits
• The Sorrow and the Pity, The Mystery of Picasso, Marjoe, Crumb, The Devil and Daniel Johnston : The Southern Dandy
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  Jesus Camp : CRasterImage
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    This was scary. : irrerno
    • That move genuinely freaks me out, horror-movie style. : MaJeStu
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  The Endless Summer : rgoer
  • Step Into Liquid as well : hax3d
• Dear America - Letters from Vietnam The mother writing letters to her dead son at the end really choke... : MaddeningLoop
• The Thin Blue Line, Mr. Death: The Rise and Fall of Fred A. Leuchter, Jr. pretty much anything by err... : smax
• Hearts and Minds : mayooms
• I thought Gonzo was pretty damn good. Death on the Stair Case was perfectly paced to keep you interested... : bld
• Blade. : xsoulbrothax
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  Watch "Man on Wire" earlier. Pretty good. : thejay247
  • ^^^ THIS : mayooms
  • Yeah, that film really surprised me, I enjoyed it alot. : Creepin_Jeezus
• The Great Happiness Space Grizzly Man American Movie Koyaanisqatsi : 60days
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  Badboys , transformers and a nightmare on elm St : CoRDS
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    King of Kong was pretty good. As are most of Michael Moore's movies. : Perturbation
    • damn, meant for op :( : Perturbation
• Not Dear Zachary and not Born Rich : Cihte
• I really liked King of Kong. Not the top documentary of all time, but still great. : fishbone
• Everything Louis Theroux. : kramweil
• Murder on a Sunday Morning: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0307197/ : uncle slappy
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  The World At War, Touching The Void, The Beckoning Silence, Children Underground, Trinity & Beyond, Dear ... : Drewus
  • Also, all of Louis Theroux's Weird Weekends series. : Drewus
• No mention of Adam Curtis? FOR SHAME. The Century of the Self http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Centur... : GreatGooglyMoogly
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  Robocop : veras
  • also The Highlander : veras
• Deliver Us From Evil, No End in Sight, Murderball, Spellbound, Wordplay : jasonepowell
• Cocaine Cowboys is pretty crazy : givemesnacks
• Swimming to Cambodia Not really a documentary, but a monologue by Spalding Grey (Rest in Peace). : Thresher
• * Capturing the Friedmans * American Splendor * The King Of Kong * Crumb * Murderball * Touching The... : nutrient
• headbanger's journey : Dravenport
• planet earth : eeeealmo
• Encounters at the End of the World : das_runt
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  Holy Shit I don't see a single Ken Burns documentary in these lists. I thoroughly enjoyed The War which i... : angrytaxman
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    Ken Burns is unquestionably good as what he does, but I tend not to be interested in his subject matters... : GreatGooglyMoogly
    • If you have any interest at all in WWII I can't recommend The War highly enough. It really is amazing to ... : angrytaxman
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    Ken Burns' Baseball : rosewood
    • That's next on my list after The Civil War. I love that you can get these DVDs which are normally $100+ a... : angrytaxman
    • That also reminded me of 61* by Billy Crystal. I'm not sure that it's exactly a documentary, but it is ba... : angrytaxman
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    the Wal-Mart documentary is hardly balanced, and anything from eye-opening. It's silly, poorly argued, a... : DonkeyPopsicle
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      Maybe I didn't see that documentary on Wal-Mart then, because I actually walked away from what I saw (I s... : angrytaxman
      • "high cost of low prices" is a good one, not sure how anyone could walk away from that one thinking walma... : dignan
• Highlander : slax0r
• classic HBO America Undercover, been collecting that shit for years! : dignan
• World at War. All 26 episodes plus bonus episodes. : Do_Or_Die
• GATES OF HEAVEN this is probably my favorite and one of the most important documentaries of all time. : ass-street
• BBC's Genius of Photography is pretty good. : drucifer
• since people are blending the boundaries between documentary film and documentary series, I'll say Jacob : DonkeyPopsicle
• i liked Dark Days a lot. it was about people living in an abandoned subway tunnel. : ibrokn

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• I am driving from about an hour away, I guess i'll show up when i get there.. probably around noon or so.... : Demius
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  Yep, show up whenever you can. 11 is when the doors open, but people usually come in throughout the day. : iamgoat
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    I know you said you're providing shit but I feel a bit guilty. Do you want me to bring any food? Since ... : soggybagel
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      We'll have plenty of food including steak in various forms. If you want to bring something I'd recommend... : iamgoat
      • Thank you for suggesting this, I am going beer shopping prior to party. Perhaps some hard alcohol too? ... : spazzium
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  No, you can't just show up. In exactly 3 hours and 16 minutes you will receive an email. In this email... : Ctrl-Phreak
  • hot damn that sounds like my... wait... .... no nm : Demius
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    Okay, yeah, nevermind, ^ what Ctrl-Phreak says. : iamgoat
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      i am tiger woods Paco. : xsoulbrothax
      • I can't wait to take a ride in the van, for old times sake. : Ctrl-Phreak
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  Have tons of fun!! : edlin
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    :'( : iamgoat
    • IAWT:( : Ctrl-Phreak
  • You can't make it? :( : spazzium
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  David and I are currently hiding out in Santa Monica. We'd probably like to show up early. That's a lon... : spazzium
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    You seem to have picked a good year to come down, it's going to be madness. There are almost 40 people co... : Ctrl-Phreak
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      I'm certainly looking forward to it now. I actually owe David for dragging me down here. : spazzium
      • It's always a great time, it'll definitely be worth the effort. The awesome KrYm3 Burgers (tm) alone woul... : Ctrl-Phreak
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    Santa Monica to Redondo Beach is not a long drive. : Serpico74
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      I'm hoping he's referring to NorCal -> SoCal. If not, he may be confused, lost, or possibly not actually ... : Ctrl-Phreak
      • I am not, I will be on a plane : Serpico74
      • I am indeed referring to NorCal -> SoCal. : spazzium
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    I'm in santa Monica right now!!! : soggybagel
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      I'm in... Riverside right now... yay? : Ctrl-Phreak
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        I'm in my boxers right now. Yay? : bcyde
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          me too! : edgewise
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            not anymore. : edgewise
            • Hahah, I love this subthread so much : ArcKnight
            • ok, all done. me too! : edgewise
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          So am I. That's why no one can show up just yet... or can they? ! ! : iamgoat
          • sailor and i are hurrying down to witness this spectacle but we're in sj right now still! : xsoulbrothax
    • me too! : piser
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    from Santa Monica? you're probably one of the closer people. : edgewise
    • I am only a temporary resident of Santa Monica. I mostly hang around the Comfort Inn. Mostly. : spazzium
    • They're from Sacramento/Santa Rosa (unless I flipped spazzium's loc up with SqueegyTBS?) - they both carp... : xsoulbrothax
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  This just in: I'm so fucking excited for today! After missing the last two SoCal shackmeets because I was... : angrytaxman
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    FUCK i cheated on my taxes last year... ... thats it, I'm not showin up if you're going to be there >:( : Demius
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      Surprisingly enough I'm neither angry nor a taxman! : angrytaxman
      • okay, in that case see you there later today :D : Demius
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  I'm heading to Port's Bakery before heading over. Planning on bringing a dozen cheese rolls and a dozen ... : bcyde
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    * Porto's Bakery ( http://www.portosbakery.com/ ) : bcyde
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      can you bring me one of those feta sandwiches? : lacker
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        Do you know the specific name? I've never seen those before. But yeah, I can grab one. : bcyde
        • Doh just checked the menu that is the name. : bcyde