ATI Rage6 Details

Hiya,
Welp, I've got a non-overclocked tnt2. I'm getting about 60fps in 640x480 with most of the candy on. I'm using lightmap, etc. but I've got the gibs, gun, and dynamic lights off. If I set the thing to run at full-out-ugly at 640, i get about 81 fps.

(Oh, and that's running on a celery 266 oc'd to 448 with 196 megs of ram.)

LOL!!!

Congratulations 3dfx! You re-invented the TNT2 Ultra, but traded the image quality for shitty image quality, and added FSAA..OOPS...the single chiper is so slow you can't even use it.


What a joke.

LOL...people are touchy...what can't stand to face the facts that a card due 6 months ago finally surfaces and the fucking FSAA is BULLSHIT because only 2x FSAA is even playable due to the speed penalty, and the card is NOT THAT FAST. Funny, 2 months ago 3dfx was spouting off 60fps is the only playable speed rate.

Whats the single chip version like. TNT1 or TNT2? Will you ever see the single chip version after the ass whipping the DUAL CHIP version is getting. I think not.

The only reason the V5 is faster in UT is because the game was originally written for the V5. It has and always will be a 3dfx Fanboy game. The programmers have already gotten a kickback from 3dfx to assure that the Geforce has slower results than all Voodoo cards, hence the programmers built in "handicap" for the Nvidia cards.

Think about it...its is obvious.

Dunno if anyone's seen this. Someone was asking about how cool DirectX TC would be.

"Microsoft Licenses Breakthrough 3D Graphics Technology from NVIDIA
NVIDIA's Volume Texture Compression Formats for Microsoft's® DirectX® Enables Rich Graphics for Internet and Games
SANTA CLARA, CA — March 23, 2000 — In a move that will help bring stunning 3D graphics to internet users, NVIDIA™ Corporation (Nasdaq: NVDA) and Microsoft® Corp. today announced the adoption of NVIDIA's technology for Volume Texture Compression Format (VTC) for Microsoft DirectX APIs. Today's 3D internet sites are plagued with inadequate image quality due to bandwidth constraints of transmitting high-resolution textures over standard communications systems. Even for high-performance PCs, the limited amount of texture storage forces game developers to use lower-resolution textures, resulting in imagery that lacks detail. Scheduled for release in 2000, NVIDIA's VTC format enables a superior level of image quality that allows web and content developers to produce 3D objects that depict their natural characteristics."

From: http://www.nvidia.com/News.nsf

Boogieman

EVERYONE go check out AGNHardware....


Voodoo5 got literally spanked by the Geforce DDR in every test they ran.


Hilarious.

126:

Do you know what the word "literally" means?

Oh, and rock on GeForce!

There are 2 companies capable of producing a top-of-the-line video card and ATI AINT ONE OF THEM.

Fucking hell. I started disliking Sharky's site when they changed from the black look to that current Cnet-clone shit. I loved the site until that, and I hated the new design. Ever since that change, that site has just gone into the shitter. I kept getting more and more annoyed by the writing, and eventually just stopped visiting the site at all (used to visit it every day). Now, every time I hear about a decent article being posted and go there to read it (or try to, rather), I just shovel thru pages and pages of pointless rambling bullshit, only to reach the end and think "What the fuck was that??". That ATI article was like 15 fucking pages long, I wasn't even reading it and it still took me 5 minutes just to click thru the fucker. Blah blah about bump mapping, blah blah about why more polygons are better than fewer polygons. Fucking DUH!! Jesus fucking Christ, quit raping me for banner ad impressions and just give me some fucking info. Fucking sell-out bitch.

haha pimpstick the adamant "V5 rules" troller just asked Steve to explain pixels/texels and then asked how the V5 works with pixels/texels.

For someone who is so adamant about a certain video card, you might want to learn how the things actually work before you pick which one to buy.

It is coming very, very soon, my loyal fans.

Where is DK me wonders?

200-400Mhz? what up with those numbers. it would be damn funny to see if they end up having it clocked at 166 :) the difference between 200 and 400 is HUGE. its like saying V5 5500 had either 90 frames/s (faily good) or 180 frames ( no comment :). this sounds like another PR fight.
if Rage6 outperforms V5 I would be amazed with Canadians :).

There goes Lex Lethal personally attacking people again, very lame.

Anyway... #86 I think he was talking about how long the product is worth, after spending hundreds of dollars. From a gamers standpoint, video cards are essential, but from a financial standpoint, video cards are a horrible investment - I know computer hardware depreciation is high, but video card value depreciation (six month cycle) is even worse than other computer hardware like sound cards. monitors, CD-ROMs or even CPUs.

- Val

Well now.. we've got some frighteningly similar specs from the folks at ATI and Nvidia. It will be interesting to see how the real world performance pans out.

99/101, whoa, deja vu.

It must be the matrix. I wish I took the other pill!

Ok Pimpstick in the case of the GeForce you have 4 pipelines. Each pipeline renders a "pixel". At 120mhz you multiply 120 x 4 = 480pixels/sec. Then you include multitexturing (another texture on the pixel). In order to do multitextrung the GeForce has to use one of its 4 pipelines to render the other "texel" on top of the "pixel". This in effect cuts the fillrate in half to 240mpixels/sec. Since you need to use one of the 4 pipelines for the extra "texel pass".

This in effect is the way most modern 3d acelerators run, V5 runs similiar in that it can't do "free" multitexturing & keep its 2 pixels/clock. It only renders 2pixels/clock when not in multitexturing mode. The NV15 (according to the preliminary pdf file) has 4 pixel pipelines, BUT each pipeline is capable of running another "texel". This in effect does NOT cut fillrate by 1/2 when running in multitexture games since each pipeline is capable of its own free multitexture without actually using one of its 4 pipelines in order to do multitexturing.

If you do the math on the 1600m/texels you figure 200mhz * 4 = 800mpixels but since each pipeline can render 2 texels you go 800 * 2 = 1600m/texels sec. The V5 as stated earlier (just like geforce/nv10) loses 1/2 fillrate when doing multitexturing.

In other words if there is not some other bottleneck (possible bandwidth?) the NV15 will be insanely fast in multitexture games.

Hopefully now you will understand & then you can figure out how the 3 texel per pipeline (2 of them) on the ATI Rage6 works.

All these hype numbers mean shit until they hit the bench, IMHO.

ATI has crazy numbers, Nvidia is throwing out some crazy numbers, and so is 3dfx.

Nvidia claimed 800Mpixels for the GeForce in early hype and even when it was released at 480Mpix it only worked with the DDR and 480Mpix still wasn't acheivable due to memory bandwidth and texture management design flaws(the DDR was supposed to fix the memory problem and it sorta did but not completely). Nvidia's next chip better not have more than one chip nor need an outside power connector or they will be guilty of doing things they swore they would never do. I think their $349 card will resemble the V5-5500 very closely in performance. The 1.6 is their equivalent of 3dfx's V5-6000.

3dfx claims 1.33 or 1.5Gpixels for it's V5-6000, although the smart money says that the V5-6000 will resemble the V3-3500 and come out so late and have so many problems that it will probably be D.O.A. 3dfx's real hopes lie in it's next chipset, one they have poored tons of cash and resources on developing.

ATI also claimed some impressive stats for it's top of the line Rage Fury Maxx and although an excellent card on paper, the driver problems keep it from being a real contender for the hardcore crowd. And the fact that it's a multiple chip solution lowered it in the purists eyes.

Anyway, benchmarks are what matters.

Hmmm I love how well nvidia hype things

geforce will change the world

tnt2 will do some shit
tnt1 will do 25 fps in 1600x1200 in q2 (or some bullsiht i remember which convinced me to buy one)


i hate to be a fanboy

but when has 3dfx EVER fucked up, always deliver what they promise.

only exception thus far is 1024x768x32bitx60fps FSAA 4X claim - and we dont have a final silicon v5-6000 to confirm / dispell this claim - otherwise perfect track record.

IT'LL BE A COLD DAY IN HELL BEFORE
I BUY ONE OF THESE OVERPRICED-
GONNA-BE-OBSOLETE-IN-THREE-MONTHS-
BUT-KICKS-ASS-NOW-CARDS.

sheesh.

What is this thing you call a video card please explain this to me.

Thank you,
Illegal Immagrant

78, no need to get ugly(er). They were thinking of the Ramdac.. it's an honest mistake... no need to be a flaming asshole about it.

Oh shit, I deserve to be * N U K E D *... I screwed it up, lol. Core is what's 166mhz, so bite my head off, Yea yea....
Flame coming, haha.

- Val

I want the All-in-wonder version.

25 million triangles/sec T&L

If a game ever uses it, that could be HELLA sweet.

25 million/sec / 100fps = 250,000 fully clipped/lit tris per scene throughput.

Those are numbers i like!

Oh, SteveG, looks like nvidia might not be making that announcement until wednessday [and not Monday from your first ATI article]. The Flash video [if you can call it that] shows 4.26.2000.

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