Morning Discussion: Labor Day Edition

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  Impressive, I wonder how long it will take people to skew that to say that the ps3 was doing shitty befor... : chazums
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    How about I point out this is only one week of sales. : Freon
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      It is impressive to have these one week sales figures for a console that launched in 2006. : irrerno
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        it's impressive, but is is really in context of purchase history of the PS3 up to this point? If no one's... : halophoenix
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          24.6 million worldwide as of early august. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps3#Sales_and_production_costs : irrerno
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            and compared to other consoles and their sales over the same period? : halophoenix
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              Xbox 360 = 31 million sold worldwide (As of August 27, 2009) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360#Sales ... : irrerno
              • The 360 was at well less than 6.4M when the PS3 was released (more like just shy of 5M), so it seems it's... : uncleanmonkey
              • I remember hearing 5 million 360s sold when the PS3 came out. So now the gap is wider. : OmegaRed59
              • That IS really interesting - if that's the case, that does make a strong case that the PS3 is making a mu... : halophoenix
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        Not really, I expect that most of these purchases are probably by people who already own a PS3. It's lik... : Whistler77
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          .. i honestly doubt that. I reckon most of the sales are from people didn't buy a PS3 because it was too ... : Cihte
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            Haha you don't think people would jump at a chance for a "slim" console? But yes, I forgot that there wa... : Whistler77
            • its not like the ds at all. new ds's have been smaller with better screens. the ps3 is not a portable dev... : CoRDS
        • I find that extremely implausible. 500k PS3 owners rebuying their console?? : ihya
        • LOL. : abrasion
        • Does it matter if people are rebuying? Sales are sales. : the_burd
      • It's a pretty significant re-imagining of the console, though. : jayacheess
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        well it was out of a LOT of people's price range since 2006... : Shadowdane
        • they could have just worked harder : redfive
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    Actually, Europe has been one of its stronger territories, it's about on par with the 360 and might pass ... : kungfusquirrel
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      It's >1M behind the 360. It may well catch up now that they're competitive on price, but it's not anywher... : uncleanmonkey
      • In comparison to the NA market, that's still "on par" :) : kungfusquirrel
• In the UK. : Lunatic Angelic
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  Are there any good games for the PS3? : Lightzout
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    your trollish attempt is subtle : Iwannaacura
    • seems like an honest question for me. It may not be trolling. : irrerno
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    Sure, there's like 6. : Lunatic Angelic
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      now this is trolling. : irrerno
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        Start naming PS3 exclusives that are literally awesome games to have. : Lunatic Angelic
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          Some Great exclusives from a very long list: Uncharted: Drakes Fortune Killzone 2 Valkyrie Chronicle... : irrerno
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            Lol. Motorstorm is not a great game. : Matto357
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              Motorstorm: Pacific Rift is actually preety good. Much better than the first one. : irrerno
              • ^This. It's my second fave arcade racer behind WipEout HD. : Frank_Mackey
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            I'm sorry you still haven't convinced me, could you list the rest of your "very long list"? : SiW.
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              Remember this list does not include any multiplatform games. PS3 US Exclusives Buzz! Quiz TV Disga... : irrerno
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                This list is also exclusive good Japanese titles like Yakuza 3. : irrerno
                • This list is also excluding good Japanese titles like Yakuza 3. : irrerno
              • I'm sorry, I was just being a dick : SiW.
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                Nice exclusives.. "Genji: Days of the Blade" giant enemy crabs! "Gran Turismo 5 Prologue" yes a d... : deathofrats
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                  Please see: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=20846851 He wanted a list of all the exclusives. That... : irrerno
                  • Please reread his post, he said to name "exclusive games that are literally awesome to have." You seem... : Mad BH
                  • No, he was just jerking your chain because of your notoriety as a PS3 fanboy. He didn't really want your ... : Bold
            • Some great exclusives from a very long list I think he was listing the ones worth mentioning from a ve... : CasbahBoy
          • How did I forget Super Stardust HD? =[ : irrerno
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            You've listed some very mediocre games. : Lunatic Angelic
            • What to you is a great game? What games do you play the most on the 360? : irrerno
            • Oh come on, I was just doing a stupid troll when I asked him to give a longer list, do you really believe... : SiW.
            • Could you please do the same for the 360? I'm curious how the list compares. Are there really that many m... : mindmann
            • Dude stop trolling, that is your complete opinion. Put up to peer review by cumulative score review sites... : ieGod
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            There are exactly 3 games on that list I'm interested in : boomstickah
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              All the games I list in my original post are of great quality. I recommend anyone give them a try. Thou... : irrerno
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                It's not a genre issue, GT5 Prologue isn't a 'great game', Fat Princess is not a great game, Killzone 2 i : Lunatic Angelic
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                  I never listed GT5 Prologue as a good game. The rest are opinions. It is obvious that you have not ... : irrerno
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                    lol I own 2 PS3s, Killzone 2, Fall of Man, COD4, Orange Box, perhaps it's you that haven't played a popul : Lunatic Angelic
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                      If you've played them you would have realized that COD4, Killzone 2, and Resistance: FOM have robust mult... : irrerno
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                        If 1/4 of the players are using mics in a strategy intensive game, that's not a multiplayer experience wo : Lunatic Angelic
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                          Yeah, everyone uses their mics on 360, and they all use them for strategy, not to show off their horrible... : Boxelder
                          • Yes, I said everyone, lol. Every last one. You're not fucking doing it right. : Lunatic Angelic
                        • I don't really feel that everyone having a mic is a good thing. I don't like hearing everyone chatter al... : irrerno
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                      What do you consider a "good game" then? You have very, very high standards I think which is not what th... : AndyGoin
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                        I asked for awesome games, not just mediocre middle of the road games. Drake, MLB the Show, the system h : Lunatic Angelic
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                          Keep going.. Like? What is on the 360 that shouldn't be missed? I'm not saying it's not there, just try... : AndyGoin
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                            Can't miss experiences on the X360, hrmmm... Splosion Man, Crackdown co-op, EDF, Forza 2 & 3 multiplay : Lunatic Angelic
                            • Some good games there. Especially Shadow Complex, Forza, Crackdown, and Mass Effect. : irrerno
                            • so basically 6 : gmd
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                              fucking LOL, you were ragging on his ps3 list yet you mention EDF as a cant miss experience. wow. : klearlyunseen
                              • EDF is some of the best coop ever, you're missing out. : adsriordan
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                              I'm not interested in any of those. This game is easy. : ieGod
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                                ieGod you better take that fucking back man. You're not interested in Shadow Complex? SHADOW COMPLEX? Are... : Kentor
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                                  Im actually not interested in any of those either... best game from that list (imo) is prolly L4D, and i ... : technotica
                                  • Blah blah blah blah... I don't care. Play Shadow Complex you commie son of a bitch. I don't care if you b... : Kentor
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                                  I was being facetious for the sake of demonstrating how opinions are pretty retarded when it comes to mak... : ieGod
                                  • It's surprisingly excellent and by far the best Live game there is. If you liked games like Super Metroi... : Kentor
                        • Please list your favorite 360 exclusive games. : irrerno
                • Flaws in the system do not make flaws in the games. : Modica Sol Solis
                • just because YOU didnt like it doesnt make it a great game, I personally think killzone 2 is a great game : klearlyunseen
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            The whole 'exclusives' thing is fairly equal. 360: Crackdown, Fable 2, Forza 2, Gears of War 2, GTA4 D : Bamtan
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              Braid isn't an exclusive anymore. Doh I should have put inFamous on my recommendation list. : irrerno
              • Fo sho : Ebu
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              You should list L4D and L4D2 as major 360 exclusives. : irrerno
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                But they aren't and neither is Mass Effect. I can play those games on another platform called the PC. E... : AndyGoin
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                  LOL that's a fucking reach. : Lunatic Angelic
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                    Reaching how? Are you trolling? : AndyGoin
                    • He's playing the this system sucks unless you can counter all of these baseless statements I just pulled : walker270
                    • And I'll extend this by saying ti's the same with Nintendo. You'll never play Zelda on the PC nor any ot... : AndyGoin
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                      Calling a console's exclusive not an exclusive just because the PC got it too when the PC is not the comp : Lunatic Angelic
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                        No, it's really not. Competing or not, it's relevant to the people who actually play games. If someone... : Vincent Grayson
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                          The majority of people who play games don't even have PCs with horsepower anymore, you're a sliver in a m : Lunatic Angelic
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                            Some of us prefer to play Mass Effect and many other games at max graphical and resolution. I really don... : irrerno
                            • lol the point is there are MILLIONS who aren't like you, don't have the PC, and are game buyers. That do : Lunatic Angelic
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                            Well, we just don't have all the facts you do apparently. Ok, then just for you, let's discuss SUPER E... : AndyGoin
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                              We're talking about a few hundred thousand of someones that you're describing, not millions of buyers tha : Lunatic Angelic
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                                And I get it, you're on the PS3. You have no desire to play with other Shackers, PSN works fine for you. : Lunatic Angelic
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                                  So you're saying no Shackers own a PS3? How absurd. : irrerno
                                  • Yes, that is absurd, which is why you're suggesting it and I wasn't. : Lunatic Angelic
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                                  You're right, I don't play online at all. I'm 35 with 2 kids and my own business and very little time to... : AndyGoin
                                  • And fwiw, I do play online in BF1943 and other games and have never had a problem. I don't play with fri... : AndyGoin
                                • Your posts are so absurd, and you refuse to open up the discussion by letting your feelings get in the wa... : ieGod
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                                Who cares about numbers?? When did the amount of people purchasing a product determine exclusive? Do yo... : AndyGoin
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                                  I would agree with Lunatic that as far as the PS3 vs. 360 are concerned, Mass Effect is a 360 exclusive. ... : zerog83
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                                    Shacknews was/is a big PC gaming site. I'm sure a lot of people care around here. Borderlands is a game... : irrerno
                                    • that's understood but a ridiculously small sample space is not a basis for an argument in this context. t : zerog83
                                  • No, it really isn't - it's a 360 / PC game and that means gamers with a PC and PS3 can get a wide range o... : abrasion
                              • Bullshit, how the fuck can you make that claim? You don't know what people have in their home - for a sta : abrasion
                          • No he is not. This is one reason I sold my 360 and bought a PS3. Don't get me wrong, I think 360 has ... : RuffasBluetain
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                        What? I would wager that most of us here with consoles also have PCs. : datoo
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                          But that doesn't marginalize the millions of console owners who don't have the PC horsepower. : Lunatic Angelic
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                            But we're not talking about them. We're arguing about which system has good exclusives, and I think it's ... : Vincent Grayson
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                              We're going to this length to knock out 2 titles, Mass and L4D. Ok well count the multiplayer suite on t : Lunatic Angelic
                              • I've never found XBL to be significantly better than PSN. Can I download demos? yes Can I see my fri : Ebu
                  • Bullshit, I have done without a 360 for exactly that reason. The true exclusives (halo 3 fable 2 and gear... : abrasion
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                  I play them on PC too =]. That was another reason I bought the PS3 instead of 360. All the 360 games ar... : irrerno
                  • not only that but a lot of the 360 games on pc are a lot smoother, gears of war is totally a different ga... : Chandler55
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            tbh and not to troll, none of those games stand out as reasons to buy the system : dantastic
            • My favorite game recently is Batman: Arkham Asylum and it is multiplatform =]. : irrerno
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            ugh, Motorstorm DOES NOT belong on that list, Resistance 2 does though. : Milleh
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              Motorstorm doesn't but I think Motorstorm: Pacific Rift does. It is a big improvement over the original.... : irrerno
              • I agree, Motorstom 1 was shit, Pacific Rift is very good although a bit difficult. :( : AndyGoin
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            Looking at just the exclusives makes me realize I don't regret selling my PS3 at all. Valkyria was a real... : Toth21
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              Yeah, looking at that list makes me REALLY happy I got a 360 (I can't afford both). : OmegaRed59
              • 360 and PS3 have some really good exclusives. : irrerno
            • Valkyria was not a disappointment. It was exactly the game it looked like it would be, and I love it for ... : Ebu
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      Could you list the 6? I just picked up a PS3 and I've found 0. : devi| dog
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        Easy, IMO these games are awesome: Flower, Ratchet & Clank Future, Motor storm:Pacific Rift, LittleBigPl... : peetabix01
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          Since I have a 360 already they have to be exclusives, I picked up Ratchet and Clank, but it seems a litt... : devi| dog
          • Oh, I tried Uncharted and didn't really like it. I mean it seemed kinda fun, but the controls were reall... : devi| dog
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            valkyrie chronicles is good, but it's more like a turn based rpg : Break
            • It is like a Strategy RPG/FPS hybrid. : irrerno
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        you never even play your xbox, why would you buy a ps3 : xxiv
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          RAYS Seriously, might as well get one that plays games for a hundred more. : devi| dog
          • Blu-Ray is the primary reason I bought a PS3, and I'm already experiencing a bit of buyer's remorse. I pi : Bold
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        On the internet there are websites that review videogames. A lot of them. Try using a search engine. ... : Boxelder
        • I'm assuming you can't read. So this sentence is an enigma. : devi| dog
    • but only 3 of them are exclusives : jamesray
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      you always say this and are always wrong, plenty of good games on both systems and the majority of excell... : gmd
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        Of course I'm talking exclusives, otherwise cross platform is better on the system with the robust multip : Lunatic Angelic
        • If you never go online? Really? : irrerno
        • exclusive wise I have gotten far better value out of the ps3 for wipeout HD alone. : gmd
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    My problem is that there are fewer than the 360 so the prices stay higher for longer. I don't want to pay... : Fred Garvin
    • Most games are multiplatform so they are on both consoles. I'm not sure I'm understanding your statement... : irrerno
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      mgs4, uncharted, motorstorm, ratchet are all $30? what 360 game went down in price after 1 year? : Chandler55
      • off the top of my head, fable 2 and gears 2, both dropped to $40 regular price at Fry's when i was just t... : xsoulbrothax
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        I went to look for Heavenly Sword and LBP and both were at least $50 or more for used copies around here.... : Fred Garvin
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          They just don't want to sell them so they keep the prices high like that, it's the new way of doing thing... : AndyGoin
          • lbp I could understand still being $$, but heavenly sword? I'm just confused there. : xsoulbrothax
        • Wait on LBP. The Game of the Year edition comes out soon with all the DLC content. : irrerno
    • Regular prices, perhaps, but the CLEARANCE prices on PS3 games are terrific. Target always has an assload : Bold
• There was going to be a huge bump from the price cut and smaller form factor. If it lasts through the hol... : Dr_Cube
• short term its great, but lets see if it sticks. : i poop from there
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  I think it has been made abundantly clear from the start that the problem with PS3 sales was the price an... : mlev
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    There are plenty of games on ps3. : irrerno
    • well then its no wonder sales are up? : mlev
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      How do you know he was talking about games? : RuffasBluetain
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        he said there were two problems with ps3, lack of games and price. Price has been fixed with the $300 pr... : irrerno
        • I though the price of the xbox went down also. : RuffasBluetain
  • What lack of games? Nearly all of the retail and PSN downloadable games cross over with what is available... : Serpico74
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  I think the European market will always default back to Sony if they have a quality product. They have... : peanut-
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    Yeah, I've said this before. I think if you went back through my post history you'll see I've claimed So... : SiW.
    • It's odd.. I was reading articles over the last year or so claiming that Sony had already taken the Europ... : xsoulbrothax
  • yeah thats pretty much true : Maarten Goldstein
  • well that and because europe is pc land were most 360 games are released as pc port. also the franchises ... : Hoax
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    Sony have consistently made Europe wait longer for games and fucked us on price. I don't get where this g... : spdon
    • Yeah Sony Europe is kind of weird. I don't know why things are delayed there usually. : irrerno
    • Maybe I've just never noticed them delaying stuff then. Sony have just always seemed better at catering t... : peanut-
• maybe too little too late though : gyokuro
• I'm probably going to buy one when FFXIII and Heavy Rain comes out, of which then I'll enjoy the multitud... : Yanks
• Probably going to be a lot of 360 users (including me) getting one now. : humbleone
• I know most can't read Japanese: http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1227309_1124.html 150k PS3s sol... : cetra00
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  well duh, it'e because everyone already as a 360, or a Wii, or one of the two. : g0nk
  • What I was thinking. I own a 360 and a Wii. Could end up getting a PS3 now that I won't have to take ou... : Anastomosis
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  I HAD A PS3 BEFORE IT WAS COOL. : Boxelder
  • ^5 HAPS3BIWC buddy! : SiW.
  • I'm getting in on this too! : notdeadyeti
  • I had mine pre Flower. Does that count. : RuffasBluetain
  • lol ya ive noticed that too over that past few months... Ive had 2 60GB's and a 40. 1st i got around N... : technotica
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  if youre in the market for a blu ray player and also a gamer the ps3 is hard to ignore with its new price... : mega man
  • I dont think there is a new price in the EU, its actually more expensive than the old version. : imperator
• I'm not more of a 'fan' of any system this generation. My 360, PS3, Wii all get equal playtime - although... : f4lln
• Be carefull. Analysts say that some people may be playing games on the machines. : capt tripps
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  Early adopters cause sales to go up? SHOCK AND AMAZEMENT 360 will still kill PS3 this year. At this po... : critch
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    Microsoft can't escape 2nd place either. Sony and Microsoft are fairly close in sales the scheme of thin... : irrerno
    • People keep saying this with no proof. : Fred Garvin
    • I bet it inflated sales by maybe 1% : OmegaRed59
    • No. Nobody in any significant numbers did that. If something breaks and I haven't had it for a long tim... : critch
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  Without figures its a bit of a silly thing to claim that it "trounced" anything I mean, everyone who ... : Beady
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    The gap before the slim was released was about 6.4 million. Shouldn't take too long to catch up if this ... : irrerno
    • But his entire argument is that it WON'T persist. : rudds
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  Just installed my new Slim PS3. PSN name edgewise- : edgewise
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    friend request sent! : Postal
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      as soon as I can figure out how to accept, I'll do it! : edgewise
      • friends list > click on a friend > choose from the message list > look for the friend request. : Postal
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    goddamn, this PSN is slow. 628MB for Flower is going to take an hour? : edgewise
    • free wireless! : derelict515
    • shouldn't take an hour if you're wired. According to my router my speeds are generally between 200-300kb... : irrerno
    • and then it has to install after you download it : Mansmells
    • My launch 60GB was terribly slow when I used wireless. Dramatic improvement when I switched to wired. : jimmy_legs
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      Yeah PSN is pretty well shit compared to Live. I would pay a yearly fee for them to fix it up. And Home..... : Fred Garvin
      • They are working on Cross Game Chat. There hasn't been a Home update in awhile but there is a major one ... : irrerno
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        I wouldn't pay them a yearly fee! It maxes out my connection over Wi-Fi with my router and PS3 on differe... : AlexXdude
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          Home is totally useless though : AlexXdude
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            Home is making Sony lots of money with all the virtual clothing and furniture. Every area has tons of pe... : irrerno
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              have you seen numbers? i'd be surprised if they've even broken even on it. : Mansmells
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                http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/formats/playstation3/-1-million-goods-sold-in-playstation-home-$1259460.ht... : irrerno
                • I also sold my inFamous pre-order Reaper Home costume for $30 on ebay haha. : irrerno
                • You keep bringing that stat up, but you don't have anything current. What are they making now? : Fred Garvin
                • it's hard to know what to make of that article. is that the revenue or is that sony's take of the revenue... : Mansmells
          • And free to use or not. For those that enjoy it, they enjoy it. : AndyGoin
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            I spent a couple minutes in there. Didn't really want to make an avatar so I bailed out. I'll probably wa... : edgewise
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              Play poker and other mini games in the EA sports complex. : irrerno
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                ok, then I better make an avatar with big boobs. : edgewise
                • make her fat : irrerno
              • All the fun games have been swamped. : Fred Garvin
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            Home is really dumb. Do you still have to wait in lines to play games? : ThomW
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              Nope, sometimes poker tables fill up and you have to wait though. But there are lots of them. : irrerno
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                What about bowling and the arcade machines? I know that you had to stand around waiting for that crap too... : ThomW
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                  You still have to wait in line at the bowling alley. I think they need to make that place bigger and add... : irrerno
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                    Why do you have to wait in line in a virtual world. That's crazy talk. : Rodeoclash
                    • I lol'd when I tried out Home and ran into that. So lame. : ThomW
      • I get 1mbyte a second almost all the time from PSN. : abrasion
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        Home is AWESOME if you really want to spend hours making an avatar that will, no matter how much you try,... : roushimsx
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          So... PS3's avatars look like transsexuals. 360's look gay (I mean look at that stance...) and Wii's.. ar... : K1Bond007
          • I like the look of 360 avatars. all happy and care-free. Miis look retarded as fuck and Home avatars....*... : roushimsx
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      Just wait till you download a game from the store, then fire it up for it to tell you a newer version is ... : ThomW
      • This sounds awesome on so many levels! : posito
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        I love having to install everything after I download it. : Fred Garvin
        • It does it all if you don't "download in background" (but who really does that unless it's a mandatory pa... : ThomW
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        They will no doubt fix that, also if it saves me $50 a year......... I'll take it. : abrasion
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          I paid about $40CA for a year. That's $0.77 a week. Holy shit abrasion, you could buy half a coffee for t... : Fred Garvin
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            I've already covered why so many times it's not funny Fred - I shouldn't have to pay especially when I l... : abrasion
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              So, do you stop paying for cable when you are too busy to watch? I just think you are a cheap bastard. I'... : Fred Garvin
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                As long as Sony keeps providing low latency and reliable servers I don't mind. I have a problem with pay... : irrerno
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                  Yeah, I am older than you so that's not a reason. In fact, I remember how shitty free could be. : Fred Garvin
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                    I have fond memories of those times. None of it was shitty. I wouldn't trade them for anything. : irrerno
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                      PC IS BETTER THAN LIVE AND FREE : Boxelder
                      • XBL NEARLY RUINED SF4 PC FOR NO REASON : Boxelder
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                      and the websites and servers were all run by magical pixies that rode your packets to and fro on gumdrops... : synapse19
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                        There are tons of people who donate servers to the community just look at TF2 and Counterstrike. Some of... : irrerno
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                          i know how pc server hosting works. i helped run all of the redphive cs/dod servers on the westcoast for ... : synapse19
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                            hell, even maintaining a simple domain costs nearly as much as year sub to xbl : synapse19
                            • 70$/2year license was my first (10) domain. : graceofdragons
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                      None of it was shitty? I guess you don't remember trying to play Quake and not being able to go through d... : Fred Garvin
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                        For one you used QuakeSpy (now GameSpy) to connect to a server with a low ping. : irrerno
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                          Even with a low ping, it was years before the net code made things smooth. : Fred Garvin
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                            Quakeworld ran smooth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quakeworld It didn't take years for net code to g... : irrerno
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                              That's still years, man. And I'm pretty sure the guys around here remember. The DB crash might have wiped... : Conan
                              • I think the only thing holding people back was our 28.8k and 56k baud modems. But it still worked fairly... : irrerno
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                              please take off your rose coloured glasses and proceed to smash them into oblivion because this is gettin... : synapse19
                              • hell, look at quake 3's initial netcode, and yea, you're still talking about all mighty carmack there too... : synapse19
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                                Latency will always be an issue we will never have things happen instantaneously. Though in this thread ... : irrerno
                                • In the original Quake it was common to hit the sides of the doors because the code was made for LAN and d... : Fred Garvin
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                              You are clueless. Carmack didn't do the netcode. AFAIK John Cash wrote that. Even than there were problem... : Fred Garvin
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                                There is no such thing as a problem free connection but you act like it was unplayable. Far from it. : irrerno
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                                  We're not acting like it was unplayable; we're acting like it had problems. : Conan
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                                    Well of course it had problems. People earlier in the thread over exaggerated said problems though. S... : irrerno
                                    • Dude, that actually happened. It wasn't uncommon. : Conan
                      • I don't remember a single instance of lag every in Quake, now I'm sure they happened, but all I see is su... : graceofdragons
                      • I just remember getting a sub-300 ping and thinking "Finally, I have a low ping!" : Vincent Grayson
                    • As someone who used the shitty server browsers that most games had (if you were lucky) I have no problem ... : ColoradoCNC
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                    • I also remember TEN that was promoted by Duke Nukem 3D. It didn't take long for TEN to be bought out by ... : irrerno
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                I do not pay for cable either. : abrasion
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                  I want free cable. : irrerno
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                    Who the hell watches cable anymore? : abrasion
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                      I mean Cable Internet. : irrerno
                      • I get "free" fiber with my apartment. 5MB up/down, upgradeable to like 15MB if you pay. : Conan
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                  No time to watch television when youre posting on the messageboards. Hey I have a proposition for you ... : boomstickah
                  • Hey I play War 3 too. : abrasion
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              So then pay for a month at a time like I do. It's not like they force you to buy a year's sub. Drop to ... : Halen
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                I don't 'work' like you people, I might play MP for a game for a week then never touch MP again. The las... : abrasion
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                  So, if you don't use your phone for a week the cell company should refund you? : Fred Garvin
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                    So playing online is a 'service' like a phone company now? Jesus christ Fred how many inches of Microso... : abrasion
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                      I pay month to month so I assume you are on a pay as you go. So, bad comparison. How about WoW then? If y... : Fred Garvin
                      • Glad you're happy to, I'm not - end of story. : abrasion
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                        I've payed for MMORPGS before. They offer huge entertainment values. : irrerno
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                          And your point is? abrasion and you both just refuse to acknowledge that there is value in what you get i... : Fred Garvin
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                            You just want us to kiss your stupid ass and say how much we love live and how awesome is live and MS and... : abrasion
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                              How about just stop bringing up how lame you think paying for Live is in every thread like this and maybe... : Fred Garvin
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                                Hey Fred, you didn't get the last word in because I decided to come back much much later, like you do! : abrasion
                                • BURN! : Ebu
                            • I read "fuck me lord jesus" in the voice of a large black woman in a sunday dress clutching a bible to he... : Ebu
                          • My point is I find value in MMORPGs like WoW but I do not find value in Xbox Live. Steam is free and gre... : irrerno
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                  Because you're bitching about a non-issue. It takes me literally less than a minute to resub (not even r... : Halen
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                    I'm not bitching about anything, everyone has jumped on me over this again - I really don't care if you p... : abrasion
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                      Then don't pretend that, cost aside, PSN is an equivalent experience because it simply isn't. I can say t... : Fred Garvin
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                        What the fuck are you talking about, where am I saying that? Are you looking for a fight Fred Garvin? jes... : abrasion
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                          I'm beginning to see why Walker270 rags on you, seriously you just twist words constantly to guide the co... : abrasion
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                            You haven't got a foot to stand on when it comes to picking fights man. And to be clear you are the one t... : Fred Garvin
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                              No I don't twist peoples words Fred, you need to seek help. : abrasion
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                                Where did I twist your words? I am going on your past comments. You've stated many times how you feel tha... : Fred Garvin
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                                  Ma'am, trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table. I h... : abrasion
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                                    You mean like trying to reason with you about using an interface newer than 1995? You really can't see th... : Fred Garvin
                                    • I really hate PSN vs XBL sub threads. They always go downhill fast. I would love to talk civil about ... : irrerno
              • This is what I do. I've been on Silver for a few months now. : Conan
      • Ugh, yeah. I couldn't believe that when it happened the first time. : Conan
    • it's not PSN - use wired instead! : xsoulbrothax
    • I downloaded Flower in 15 minutes I think on my wireless. : redfive
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      I get 1MB/s (maxing out my internet connection) on PSN. What the fuck is going on with all the people co... : treefingers1
      • mine is slow as fuck, and I have a 30mbit connection. It took fucking hours to download bf1943 and fat pr... : moshman
• I'm curious to see 360 sales after its price cut. : pandastrong
• I want the Last Guardian to come out in 2010! Please =[ http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-the-l... : irrerno
• Console redesign is a big deal, $300 price point is even bigger deal, this is mostly just people who have... : graceofdragons
• I wonder if it's people who already have a360 and/or Wii finally getting one at a decent price as well? ... : Derringer
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  Wow this thread is huge. : irrerno
  • XBOXHUGE : [7]kami
  • awesome dude! : moshman
  • This thread is 2009 PC latency HUGE!11!111one! oh wait. : MercFox1
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  I am buying a slim too. Not for games, but for media and blu-ray. : [7]kami
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    Nothing wrong with that. Aside from the occasional big name game that's pretty much what mine gets used f... : Conan
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      Ye, FIFA for lols with Bamii and maybe God of war. But i like my PC games better. : [7]kami
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        FAFI 2010 mofo!!! : Bamii
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          But i wanna play HoN :( : [7]kami
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            You can. Until october. : Bamii
            • But... but... butt... : [7]kami

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  Subtitle apparently should be: Thank you Intel for once again taking a big fat shit on your early adopter... : rosewood
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    Well the LGA 1366 is compatible with the future 6 cores Gulftown CPU. : FiReaNG3L
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      Whoopdity doo. In the meanwhile I'm basically stuck with my 940. : rosewood
      • I'd still take an i7 over Lynnfield. : Dr_Cube
  • It's OK, in five more months they'll release another socket type. : DrWaffles
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    eh i really dont feel that burned. ive been running my 920 for like 10 months now running a 1ghz OC. ho... : smacknca
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      Truth is I'm still bitter about TRIM support : rosewood
      • now that burn hurt, but that was your penance for rubbing it in our faces about how awesome your SSD driv... : smacknca
      • I can't believe that man, it's downright fucking insulting for 600$ US : abrasion
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        Yet you will still support them and get the G2 SSD's. Its a tough addiction. : ant_hillbilly
        • I'm in an abusive relationship. I want out but AMD isn't even trying anymore. : rosewood
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      You think you had it bad? I had a 754 Athlon. : Longinus00
      • You built a K6 2 back in the day didn't you? : spazzium
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    You think the i7 series will be shitcanned or delegated to being expensive parts only? I'm happy with my... : abrasion
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      In my fantasy land Intel takes every change they have made for this new line and puts it in 1366 form plu... : rosewood
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        I'm looking at the benchmarks, it's not that much quicker, my i7 pumps. : abrasion
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          It's the thought if it though :( Oh well : rosewood
          • Maybe they will for the 6 core one next year. : abrasion
      • That's what Gulftown is supposed to be. This Core i5 stuff is purely there because the tri-channel mother... : Gonzo
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      i7 is going high end; expensive parts only. Don't know how hard they'll push it but i5 is now mid to mid ... : Dr_Cube
      • Except that there's a high-end i7 that fits in the new socket as well. i7 doesn't necessarily mean LGA 13... : Gonzo
    • They've said that they're going to continue supporting LGA1366, but who knows. AMD said the same thing ab... : Gonzo
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    Wasn't it expected that intel would change sockets with the release of the i5 and more consumer friendly ... : Prozium
    • We have known this for awhile but now it is a bit more of reality. : rosewood
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    How dare they release faster products, or products targeted at a more mainstream consumer! : Sapiens
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      One of their Rockstars could have come up with a way to get these improvements in the 1366 form factor. : rosewood
      • Actually they couldn't. I think we said something about it in our article, but the reason they did the ne... : Gonzo
  • Being an early adopter has always resulted in being shit on when new hardware comes out. That's the pric... : jingletard
• good thing its hard as fuck to find mobo's or heatsinks for the i5-750 on newegg, like they have them but... : Jackass1233
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  October is going to be a great time to build a new PC. I am jealous of those who are going to make the j... : ant_hillbilly
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    I'm going to do as Anand says and wait until early next year to buy a new laptop. : rosewood
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      Same here. No point in investing in a new one especially since most are still based on the core 2 line. : Dr_Cube
      • I was hoping we would see good mobile shit with this launch so I've been holding off :( : rosewood
    • Same for iMacs then. FFS, if Apple add no glare again this year I don't think I'll be able to wait. :( : node
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  YOU ARE NOT TORAZ. HOW DARE YOU POST THIS BEFORE HE WHO IS TORAZ : CoRDS
  • I have lackeys now. : Toraz Chryx
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  One... more.... release. I have to hold one. Just one more. I'm sooo hot for the idea of upgrading fro... : ramshot
  • *hold on : ramshot
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    i feel the same way with my e6600 : CoRDS
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      yay E6600! The CPU of kings! : master_disaster_17
      • this is the truth! I've been running mine at 3.83ghz for a year and 2 before that at 3.4 ghz and there is... : RetroRedEyeJr
    • So true. I haven't even considered upgrading my e6600. I really don't know anything about the i7. : freshyk
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  I'm still rocking my Core 2 6800 XE. I'll upgrade the iMac before I do the CPU, it hasn't been a gaming b... : node
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    Actually, where would that roughly line up, the E8600? Trying to compare next to Anand's benchmarks. : node
    • Hmm, fairly good still! http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php : node
• the i7-920 is still pretty compelling as an "overclock the shit out of it" proposition, but the Lynnfield... : Toraz Chryx
• Goddamn the turbo mode is giving me the upgrade jitters. : nomaad
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  This is all very exciting. Finally something to replace ye olde cheap C2Q/DDR2 combo : d fluke
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    Still rocking the C2D/DDR2, and still haven't found a reason to buy new :) : master_disaster_17
    • I must say my Q9450 OC'd to 3.6GHz with PC1066 DDR2 is doing nicely still. : dooberzoo
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      I agree. As far as gaming goes the i7 920 is a sidegrade or downgrade in performance from my C2D E8400, e : Serpico74
      • er, should say more expensive CPU... : Serpico74
    • I only got my i7 because someone else basically paid for it, now that I have it, I like it but honestly i... : abrasion
    • same here. I am hoping to get another year out of my old E8400. : baron calamity
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    If you're just gaming, nothing that's out right now really stresses the CPU to the point that it's a bott... : Sapiens
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      True, there hasn't been a *must* upgrade on the graphics side in the meanwhile for me either : d fluke
      • yeah when are the ATI 5xxx series coming out? Most news on them seems to be like a year old : dooberzoo
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    I don't see any reason to upgrade my Q6600 for this at the moment. : moshman
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      That's the problem, as a geek I can't rationally justify upgrading my Q6600/8800GT rig since it does ever... : d fluke
      • Businesswise though I'm going to spec out a new range of mid to top end (non-workstation class) rigs asap... : d fluke
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        I have that same combination. I thought I could get a graphics card upgrade in there for far cry 2, but i... : moshman
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          2560x1600 is where its at ! : imperator
          • not on my monitor : moshman
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          It's such a good combination. Best computer I ever put together in my life. Still kicking everything's as... : SockMonkeh
          • yeah, crysis is the only thing I would upgrade for. but since not even the highest end cards of today can... : moshman
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          Mine didn't run FC2 @ 1920 with the same CPU and an ATI 4870 :/ : abrasion
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            wut? why? smooth as butter for me. Though I haven't played very far yet. mebbe the 8gb of ram helps? or ... : moshman
            • Might well be, I had 4gb and XP and it wasn't smooth enough for my liking. : abrasion
• I look forward to the c2d bundles that are going to hit ebay in the next month or so. : stgdz
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  Time to start speccing out my new machine (to browse the shack) : pancake humper
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    Welp, looks like the i5 750 smokes my E6750 @ 3.2ghz at everything. Definitely going to be getting that e... : pancake humper
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      What the heck, NewEgg doesn't have any of the new motherboards listed :( : pancake humper
      • yah i just noticed this too... I'm not looking for a new system until the 32nm tech hits though. : Shadowdane
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  Does windows 7 have trim support now, so I can build a new pc with an ssd? : Sixcos
  • Windows 7 has had Trim support since RC1. The hard drive manufacturers haven't released proper Trim drive... : zerog83
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  I LOVE anandtech, Anand does such an amazing job of explaining some pretty crazy engineers to regular old... : slickdoody
  • Yeah. This is why i also love www.xbitlabs.com : [7]kami
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  I'm still good if I get a 920 now right? : dael
  • Yea, the 1366 is still the "high end", the main difference is the 920 platform has HT and triple channel ... : aethyr
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    I would have hesitations purchasing that at the moment, that i5 even at stock speeds seemed really good, ... : abrasion
    • you have to remember that an overclocked i5 loses it's turbo mode (at least after a point), so a 4.2Ghz m... : Toraz Chryx
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    If you haven't purchased it, anandtech seems to believe that you shouldn't. Just skip to the last page a... : slickdoody
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      I'm forced to disagree with Anand on the basis of the i7-920 + OVERCLOCK THE UNHOLY FUCK OUT OF IT propos... : Toraz Chryx
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        Which is in no way a guaruntee, seeing as I own the 920 and one of the best coolers and mine doesn't over... : abrasion
        • because you suck at computers :) : Toraz Chryx
  • Why would you buy an already outdated socket when a i5 750 is cheaper also? : pancake humper
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  Bought my i5 750 yesterday, installing it with a SSD this weekend! :D : aethyr
  • What motherboard did you get? : Shadowdane
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    Where are you buying parts from? I don't see anything on newegg yet : action roommate
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      The chips are on newegg, go to the main processor page. The motherboards aren't up though. I dunno how ae : pancake humper
      • You know what else I've noticed? They (Newegg) don't have the X25-M G2 at all right now. I'm not sayi... : action roommate
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      Micro Center has them. : aethyr
      • I got the cheapest motherboard, the MSI P55-CD53 for $100 with a $20 rebate, the same board goes for $120... : aethyr
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  i'm way out of it these days but what's the big draw of a better faster stronger processor? everything... : [fry]
  • I'm a little bit away from crazy hardware upgrades for the last... two years, I think, and I would like t... : Nitrium
  • That, and bigger epeen, and because we can mostly. : one random winner
• I literally just bought an i7 920 rig last week. :-( : jasonepowell

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  Fifth Element Star Wars Raiders of the Lost Ark Predator Highlander : ThomW
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    Wait a second ... didn't I just quit Facebook over this shit? lol : ThomW
    • Which Star Wars character are you? Take the quiz and find out! : slickdoody
    • Shacknews, it's the thinking man's Facebook : Arctic Fox
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    Fifth Element? Really? : ra1n
    • I love that flick. The list isn't really in order, so it's not like that's my #1 favorite movie of all t... : ThomW
    • There's not another film I've watched more. There's just a certain thing about it, it's visually awesome... : Halen
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  Hmm. City of God Requiem for a Dream Pan's Labyrinth Jackie Brown Gattaca : Modica Sol Solis
  • That's probably not an accurate list, though. City of God is always going to be there. So is Pan's Labyri... : Modica Sol Solis
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  Blue Velvet, 2001, Through the Olive Trees, Some Like It Hot, Team America : jcupitt
  • hmm you end up with a pretty diverse list : jcupitt
• Monty Python and the holy grail The Dark knight Crying Freeman American Beauty Team America : [7]kami
• Oldboy Memento Children of Men The Godfather 1+2 : poporitze
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  no Goodfellas? fail : bozer
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    I hate that movie. : deject
    • This doesn't compute. : Lone Swordsman
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    Top 5 of all time? It's a fun little movie, but I don't think Scorsese himself would put it in a list of... : bipolar
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      Though I should add, it depends on whether we're talking about favorite movies of all time vs. what you c... : bipolar
      • Goodfellas is better then every movie he listed though.POSTING FROM THE PAST TO PROVE I"M RIGHT : bozer
• Nothing beats: 1. Cop and a Half and 2. Basket Case : broly1718
• Apocalypse Now Dr. Strangelove The Shining Dune Fight Club : Lone Swordsman
• Stalker Dawn Of The Dead Being There The Wages Of Fear Big Trouble In Little China : NastyJack
• Amelie, Brazil, Mallrats, The Matrix, Zoolander : Kniggit
• Star Wars IV Star Wars V Moulin Rouge Shawshank Redemption Hero : slickdoody
• Police Academy 1 through 5. : elocanth
• This lis will change every time I answer it but: Seven Samurai The Godfather The Terminator The Karate Ki... : lacker
• Wow. Aguirre, the Warth of God is in my top 5 as well! : sirsteven
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  do you think before sunset really is a top5? it only works if you've watched before sunrise, so its more ... : Klebold
  • I saw Before Sunset before I ever saw (or knew about) Before Sunrise and it immediately became one of my ... : Ely
• I haven't seen any of your top 5 but have had pan's on my list. : lacker
• Action/Fantasy: 1. Lord of the Rings Trilogy 2. The Dark Knight 3. Jurassic Park 4. Die Hard 1 5. Al... : manlyman
• Nice pick with Before Sunset. One of my favorites ever. : digweed014
• The Last Crusade, The Last of the Mohicans, Spy Game, Princess Bride, Snatch : Navy Spitfire
• Ballistic: Ecks vs Sever Battlefield: Earth Catwoman Glitter Plan 9 From Outer Space : ninjase
• In no particular order... The Big Lebowski Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas The Good, The Bad, and The... : fuell
• I've seen one of those : onji
• this is pointless really, my list changes all the time, but i guess: one flew over the cuckoos nest, batt... : re4ctor
• This is an excellent thread for movie suggestions. :D I've missed out on so many classics. :( : SilverSnake
• Ghost Busters, I don't need 4 other spots : rosewood
• In no particular order: Rear Window Silverado The Exorcist III Bram Stoker's Dracula Alien *sub... : c0bra
• I have about 20 movies in my top 5. : bipolar
• I don't think I could narrow a movie list down to even Top 5 Kung-Fu (non Samurai or Ninja) Movies. Hell... : AxeMan808
• Brazil Pan's Labyrinth Raiders of the Lost Ark Hot Fuzz (or Shaun of the Dead, I can't decide. Today i... : jet-poop

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  The game tries really hard to be newbie friendly. : thecatinthehat
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    I am talking about the male players. They see boobs and they instinctively become white knights. : CRasterImage
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      RomSteady has posted that he sometimes plays as female characters because then he is more protective of t... : dognose
      • Yeah, I tend to be more reckless when I play a male character. : RomSteady
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        I had this reasoning too. If I have to look at a butt all the time, I would rather it be worth looking a... : CRasterImage
        • You're supposed to be looking at your crosshair. :( : SockMonkeh
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        I have no attachment to a polygon mesh. Male, female, whatever. : boomstickah
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          If you build it round, firm, and fully packed, they will come. : dognose
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            I've never looked at an animated character and said wow she's hot. They do nothing for me. : boomstickah
            • Yeah well I read Betty and Veronica under the covers as a kid. : dognose
        • For me, it's pareidolia brought about by voluntary suspension of disbelief. : RomSteady
        • neither do i but i make girl characters because usually dudes are boring and i dont want to look at a dud... : dantastic
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        So woofnose, what do you think of L4D? : Nitrium
        • I loves me some L4D coop! : dognose
      • I've been doing that for years. Though it can backfire. Some guys get off on killing the chick. : steauengeglase
      • how incredibly homophobic of you. : biskits
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  But what if Louis and Zoe were an item? Would you boycot the game at that point? or maybe just in the b... : Wheatloaf
  • LOL! You know, I think there is certainly an implied attraction there between Zoey and Louis. "Anything f... : TrickSh0t
  • Make no mistake when Bill and Francis aren't looking Louis is taxing Zoey like the Federal Government. : Ajax
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    I was on a server where there was two Zoey's and no Louis. The server's host explained this to me, "Thats : socksta
    • Because he is Hitler! How many times must we explain this to you? : CRasterImage
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      That spoiler was a letdown. I was expecting something like "Nitwit" :( : Modica Sol Solis
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        Well, thats because you're an optimist. : socksta
        • Lol... : rbjester
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  Yeah but then when you play versus everyone tries to kill Zoey first. : SonicusZ
  • ^^ It evens out. : IHATEDUST
  • Hunters go for her first so they can cop a feel. : MercFox1
• if i'm shooting infected off of a teammate I'll aim slightly to the right or left. unless it's louis. the... : DrFlammable
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  I like how the black guy keeps getting shot at, lol : Maddog_Delphi97
  • Driveby'd : gakera
  • To be fair out of all the characters Louis is by far the most zombie-like. No hat, no ponytail, average s... : jtthe2nd
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  I play as a female draenei avatar in WoW. Guys have a natural tendency to flirt w/ me. It's weird that : ImageOmega
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    Thats why i picked a femal char when i started wow. I got tons of money, and invites to groups because OM... : Iwannaacura
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      When I first got into everquest, I saw it being played at my first QA gig. The dude playing it had a fem... : esecasco
      • Yeah I did that for the short time i played EQ. High Elf Female Cleric. By level 20 I was in full silver ... : Nighteyes
  • my friend abused the shit out of people playing as a female in DAoC. He basically paid the lot rent fo... : maulla
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  I've never experienced that, you must give off some serious "i want your cock" vibe : MoreVespeneGas
  • Alternatively, perhaps you give off a gassy smell. : CRasterImage
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  I had some guy the other night spam the chat with "NICE BOOBIES" "CHK OUT THAT ASS" "HAY ZOEEY WANNA FUK"... : Goblin au
  • In the future, when VR is common place, some dude out there is going to be going all out on a virtual Zoe... : esecasco
• It's why I generally try not to talk in public servers, and why it's so awesome to have shackers to play ... : mysled
• After watching the REC2 trailer in the other topic, I wish a game would come along and really get the fra... : Cygnus X-1
• I used to play half and half male/female. I almost always play female characters now. So many dude ... : Rice-Rocketeer
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  I think Louis and Bill are the two most fun guys to play because of their awesome voice chatter: "OOOHHHH... : MercFox1
  • I agree! Louis has a hilarious death yell. : helvetica
• I don't know about that. I never had the illusion that there was anybody behind Zoey's fair facade but a... : JediDwag
• AWKWARD. : michaelleung

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  I think there's two distinct categories: games that set new standards that other games followed, and game... : peanut-
  • You know what? Didn't SiN come out at the same time as H-L? I submit that while different, the story li... : dognose
  • I really don't think any game owes it a debt. What they did wasn't revolutionary - if it wasn't them it ... : the city
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  GTA3: First game I played at your house. : lacker
  • You know I don't think I ever played it since? I have the PC versions of all of those games now except f... : dognose
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  SoF didn't have realistic violence. Rainbow 6 had pretty realistic violence and that was out before SoF.... : Haku-Jin
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    I know, I'm being nitpicky. : Haku-Jin
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      It's OK, I am looking for corrections and examples like this. I never played Rainbow 6. I am looking fo... : dognose
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        You might like Rainbow 6. There is absolutely no jump button in that game. : Haku-Jin
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          I've never played any of the Clancy games as i understand they are tactical but I also understand they ar... : dognose
          • Nah, you probably wouldn't like it. You can go lone wolf but it's not a fast and furious action game. B... : Haku-Jin
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    better terminology: SoF had exceptional violence. : Paranoid Android
    • It had the best hit detection for the time. I used to love unloading whole clips into people. :) : Haku-Jin
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    wasn't SoF the first game to allow shooting off arms and legs? as far as FPS's go... i know there was a ... : dignan
    • Are you thinking of Kingpin by any chance? : Aragoat
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    lol, in SoF you could cut out people's entrails with a hunting knife. Rainbow 6 was rated Teen and featur... : socksta
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      You'd call the violence in SoF realistic? If so, I'll have what you're smoking. : Haku-Jin
      • Closer to realism than many other games of its time came. Granted, it took it a bit far and in doing so ... : the city
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  i dont think HL2 raise much of anything honestly. : -=kodiak=-
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    i think it did in understanding facial animations emotionally and physics. : i poop from there
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      yea for that ill give you. Except didnt they just license havoc physics? But the gameplay and all that... : -=kodiak=-
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        A lot of games use Havok. Very few make good use of it. I find Half-Life 2's physics more authentic than ... : Patakreps
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          Hahahaha you didn't drive the fan boat did you?worst physics ever! : RogerDandy
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            I assume you talk about my Bioshock example and then I agree. But if you're talking about HL2, I don't un... : Patakreps
            • *since then : Patakreps
      • They did, but no one had made the physics work so well, nor make it such a useful or integral part of gam... : deject
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      i'm kind of confused as to what you mean when you mention facial animation : synapse19
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        i felt like you could feel the emotion of a character through how the facial animation was. rather it be... : i poop from there
        • ah okay. it just seems so long ago now that i don't remember if other games had done much facial animatio... : synapse19
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          I agree. Valve still has the best facial animation techniques out there, and HL2 came out 5 years ago : zerog83
          • For sure. I played batman the other day and the face anim suck! Halflife2 had a hundred times better and ... : papaskot
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            I feel like GTA4 is the first game to match and possibly surpass HL2's facial animations. Maybe Uncharted... : beanman101283
            • Vampire: Bloodlines wants a word. : Arctic Fox
          • Without a doubt. I can't think of any game release since Half-Life 2 that has such convincing facial ani... : deject
      • the Source engine facial animation is still best in class years after release : derelict515
  • I think it set a new standard for how long you can play an FPS heading in the correct direction on the ma... : socksta
  • HL2's art direction alone would qualify as "raising the bar" for me. : stuka
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  Pong would not be first... Space War was the first 'real' video game. : dignan
  • first game with DM would be Space War also. i believe it was made in 1964 : dignan
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  A year or two ago I saw a web map of videogame innovations. It listed features like hi scores and regener... : cfalcon
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    wow, that sounds cool, someone find this! : dignan
    • While not a map, I found this http://edutube.org/history-video-games-innovation-timeline : dognose
  • http://www.gameinnovation.org/ not exactly how I remembered it but this is the site : cfalcon
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  While I love the shit out of Duke it did not do what HL1 did at its time in terms of story, immersion, an... : Mad Brahmin Disease
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    Everybody always gives HL credit for its story and I never understood that. It had great scripted sequen... : Haku-Jin
    • Immersive story-telling rather than the story itself, then? Never switching to out of character cut-scene... : Mad Brahmin Disease
    • i think it's more of an immersion thing. the little bits and pieces of radio chatter and soldier talk tha... : grifter
  • Duke was 2 years (?) before H-L 1 and I agree that while Duke raised the bar, H-L 1 raised it higher. I ... : dognose
  • Oh let me add that Duke had the best weapon variety I've encountered in any game ever. : Mad Brahmin Disease
• yikes, i said something worthy of debate. /hides : i poop from there
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  Quake Tribes CS Each pushed their respective sub-genres into a whole new online gaming era. : synapse19
  • Starcraft could also fall into this list : synapse19
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    Tribes needs to come back. I love that game. : irrerno
    • It has sort of http://www.tribesnext.com/ : cfalcon
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  The original Legend of Zelda has got to be in there for setting high standards. : Dr_Cube
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    That's the first game I remember that you could actually beat, not just wrap. : Haku-Jin
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      there were lots of Atari 2600 / intellivision / colecovision games that could be 'finished' or beaten. n... : dignan
      • Hah! There were a bunch of Apple][ / C=64 games that HAD endings...I just didn't play most of them to tha... : AxeMan808
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  I disagree completely about HL2. Aside from the gravity gun gimmick, it was a pretty formulaic shooter w... : Arcanum
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    i'd agree with this. but it did push the bar into Space as far as CGI lip syncing goes. : dignan
    • Oh yeah, their facial stuff and lip-syncing is excellent. : Arcanum
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    How about the best first-person vehicle sections? : Mad Brahmin Disease
    • I didn't care much for those but I cannot think of one that was better, perhaps save for the first person... : dognose
    • You mean driving from point A to point B along a linear path while having to stop occasionally to shoot p... : Arcanum
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      Fuck no. I hated those sections. They were the opposite of fun. : timmie
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        You, Arcanum, and people like you are broken. How can you not enjoy zooming across the water at high spee... : AlexW1203
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          Because it wasn't that different from the buggy sections, you didn't get to do much besides follow a line... : Arcanum
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            So you didn't have a problem with the airboat, you had a problem with the regular combat? : AlexW1203
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              My problem with both the airboat and the buggy (but especially the buggy) is that most of both sections f... : Arcanum
              • Fair enough, I suppose. I disagree about the integration quality, mainly because I think they WERE set pi... : AlexW1203
        • Oh, I enjoy zooming across the water at high speed while enemies try to fire at me. Just not in HL2 wher... : timmie
    • I hated the fuck out of all the driving sections they fucking blew! : RogerDandy
    • Whoa, what hate, I couldn't disagree more. What would have made it better? More open areas? Better puzzle... : Mad Brahmin Disease
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  When are we going to play L4D? : thrallie200
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    We are trying to get you right now. : CRasterImage
    • L4D observation: I noticed that, at first, players were more helpful to you, if you were Zoey. "Want s... : CRasterImage
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  MechWarrior 2 for super customization (I miss that game, I'd spend hours outfitting my mechs and trying o : esecasco
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    RPG-Actioner - check out Gateway To Apshai, by Epyx: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpAJuFVCBYY : AxeMan808
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      Oh, and re: X-Com: probably thinking of the "Breach" series. They were BADASS! http://www.mobygames.com/... : AxeMan808
      • that last part sounds like something I would have loved in X-Com. thanks for that, I know more about m... : esecasco
    • that is sweet! : esecasco
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  I bought EP 1 & 2 a long time ago, and never played them until recently. I quit about 2 hours into EP 1, ... : Shodai80
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    ...yeah, just you. : Wisp!
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      Just him? Look up the stats on steam. Some 60% of the people who bought episode 1 didn't finish it (which... : DerHuhnTeufel
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        Those completion stats are probably higher than most other games. A lot of people may have bought the gam... : Wisp!
        • Doesn't change the fact that over half the people never finished episode 1. He's far from alone. : DerHuhnTeufel
  • Episode 2 was incredible. : Haku-Jin
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  On the FPS front, I think Far Cry, which is typically known for it's gorgeous graphics, really stepped th... : Dave-A
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    Halo1's only real flaw was that they used every level twice to pad it out. Even in spite of that it's an ... : retarded talking dinosaur
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      I think it was only Assault on Control Room where that happened. One interesting thing with Halo 1 that I... : Dave-A
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        They pretty much reuse every location except the library, which is itself highly, highly repetitive. Any ... : retarded talking dinosaur
        • I mean despite this it is still 1000% percent awesome even to this day, so that's a testament to how grea... : retarded talking dinosaur
        • The Pillar of Autumn layout is completely different the second time, and Truth and Reconciliation is quit... : Dave-A
  • I have nothing but hate for Far Cry's incredibly ridiculous cheating AI. It can get the fuck out for all... : deject
• it will be hard to place system shock 2. genius way ahead of its time :( : Downforce
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  Here's a list I did for myself on this very same topic about a year ago. The idea was trying to find the ... : zeroprey
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    Stalker's world is not really open, and Far Cry did roughly the same level of open environment gameplay i... : Arcanum
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      I guess I didn't get far enough in Stalker. It seemed pretty open to me. Far cry 1 does not count for wha... : zeroprey
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        Stalker was basically big rooms with tiny little doorways between them, even in the very first areas. : Arcanum
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          What. Did you ever go outside or what? I just don't know what to say because you are so incredibly wron... : deject
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            but they are big boxes with specific load areas. Not seamless open world. : spdon
            • Yup. It's no different than Far Cry's not-quite-open-world, except that you can go back to previous area... : Arcanum
    • S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'s game world is completely wide open and you can go pretty much anywhere you want. The ma... : deject
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    I'd give parkour to Mirror's Edge as a game that's actually about leaping and jumping, the mechanics of t... : SpaecKow
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      Assassin's Creed wasn't first person, either! : Modica Sol Solis
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        Assassin's Creed's a fuckin bum, and it' needs to GEDDAUTAHEEERE. : SpaecKow
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          Haha, yes, Assassins Creed sucked. I'd give the "edge" to Mirrors Edge for making it interesting but Assa... : zeroprey
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            ah, okay! one thing I think you should mention is either Savage or Natural Selection for introducing R... : Modica Sol Solis
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              I agree. Natural Selection wins as it came out years before. : zeroprey
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                *cough* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlezone_(1998_video_game) Though that might be more introduci... : Arcanum
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                  Only played the demo for that one back in the day but it seemed like a first person RTS. : zeroprey
                  • It had a significant amount of base-building and other RTS components. Resource collection, directing un... : Arcanum
                • whoa, did not know about this. I would argue, however, that Natural Selection did something more pheno : Modica Sol Solis
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                  *cough* http://www.mobygames.com/game/uprising-join-or-die <3 : roushimsx
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                    Pfft, four months difference is practically the same time in game history terms. :) : Arcanum
                    • Pretty much. I love it when two completely different games from different companies come out at around th... : roushimsx
    • That's true. Bethesda has been making first person open world games for a very long time and I've loved m... : zeroprey
  • Extremely interesting post. Thank you. : tomservo
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    Nice thanks. I could swear I've directed teammates prior to 1995. Unless I don't get what you mean by "... : dognose
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      He said 2005 for directable teammates, and you could definitely do it in the Mechwarrior games at least a... : Arcanum
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        When did Terra Nova come out? : dignan
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          Wikipedia says 1996. : Arcanum
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            April/May; it was reviewed in the May 96 PC Gamer. Didn't bother digging any further than that. Hell, I n... : roushimsx
            • I think Terra Nova also was the first to have positional sound (although I think it was faked) : alexthegreat2
        • You mean when did Looking Glass' criminally underrated badass Starship Troopers game come out? :'( : roushimsx
    • You're right. Ghost Recon comes to mind. I think I meant that it was directing without going to a menu. U... : zeroprey
    • When was operation flashpoint made? You could direct your squad in that game iirc. : mnsnota
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    "one life per round mp - counterstrike, 99 " This doesn't pre-date AQ2. I know for a fact that AQ2 had... : Robotic Puppy Eater
    • Action Quake 2 (1998) also restricted the number of different weapons you could carry at a time. : Arcanum
    • Ah, never played that. Good catch. : zeroprey
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      I think Rocket Arena and Clan Arena predates both AQ2 and CounterStrike. It was a Q1 mod and was founded ... : Gonzo
      • This. : socksta
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    I don't know exactly what you mean by "realtime directable teammates" but in HL2 you could send everyone ... : DrFlammable
    • Kingpin did the same, didn't it? (1998) : Mad Brahmin Disease
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    Chasm: The Rift from 97 had locational damage/gore. you could shoot off arms and legs and heads and kick... : ibrokn
    • Interesting, never heard of this game. Looks like a gussied up Quake. : SpaecKow
    • O_o That guy has played that game a few times! That was a fun game, I must admit. It even had coop... : CrustaR
  • I know you say Wolf3d and Doom invented the genre but the doom map scene and the quake mod scene are so i... : rosewood
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    MDK isn't getting the nod for sniper rifle? :( It predated Goldeneye by something like a half year, didn' : roushimsx
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      Right you are. I had MDK for sniper rifle first because it was my first exposure to it but I was then tol... : zeroprey
      • Team Fortress had a sniper rifle too : Halen
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      oh, and didn't Terminator: Future Shock have vehicles? Does that count for anything? How about XS for ... : roushimsx
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        Yep, Terminator: Future Shock had multiplayer vehicles and it came out in 1996 I think. : Amlash
        • So did that G-NOME game, also 1996. : JarEme
        • 1995! : roushimsx
      • Heh, I remember this game. I had mp only as the thing q3 and ut did but you're right there's also the are... : zeroprey
  • Sweet, my first interesting post! : zeroprey
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    SiN had locational damage models textures and gore. You could shoot at Elexis's chest and her shirt would... : socksta
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      You could also blow off heads IIRC and shoot guns out of hands. : SpaecKow
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        Or, you could shot Elexis's chest and see her nipple. If they had written that on the front of the box it... : socksta
        • I think it woulda sold even better if it wasn't so damn buggy. :( : SpaecKow
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    Cover combat system is more owed to kill.switch than anything else. : Vincent Grayson
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      I think you misspelled Winback :( : roushimsx
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        Even if you want to credit Gears of War for popularising the cover thing, you have to give it to Rainbow ... : SpaecKow
        • I did :) : zeroprey
        • The lesser-known game Rogue Trooper also had a cover system at the same time. And again, it was arguably... : Arcanum
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          Actually Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter did it before either of them. : ArcKnight
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            Really? I thought AW only had the over the shoulder cam? : SpaecKow
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              Well, all those games were released within months of eachother anyway. : SpaecKow
              • Vegas and Gears came out within like a week of each other in November, but GRAW came out in March. : ArcKnight
            • Gears also has only over the shoulder cam, and Vegas goes to over the shoulder while in cover. : ArcKnight
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        that game was bad. : Iwannaacura
        • more like bad ass! It was hard as hell to get the hang of...the controls were a bit crap, but once you... : roushimsx
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    Wages of Sin, the SiN expansion pack also had vehicle combat as did Corridor 7 oh and Redline(which fucki... : socksta
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      There is no way Corridor 7 had vehicles : MamiyaOtaru
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        You are correct and it is killing me I can't google the game I am thinking of. The game I am thinking abo... : socksta
        • I do believe Operation: Body Count is your culprit. http://www.mobygames.com/game/operation-body-count h... : AxeMan808
  • anyone else remember certain old fps trends that never really caught on again after? like the hub level d... : DeBurgo
  • Starsiege Tribes had regenerating health *way* before Halo. : JarEme
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    Well apparently there are many games with these features out before the game I identified. Don't stop the... : zeroprey
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      I'll say that Strife (1996) is the first FPS where you had to buy weapons. : JarEme
      • strife was a good game : EvilDolemite
      • Ah, nice. : zeroprey
      • or maybe mechwarrior 2? I don't remember if you bought them with money or scrap metal or something though : alexthegreat2
    • http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=20849987 : alexthegreat2
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      Have a field day with this one: http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/terminator : roushimsx
      • A guy I work with sings high praises for this game. I've never played it though so it's hard to pick out ... : zeroprey
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        Woah, never knew about this. I found a video of the game - http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/bethesd... : socksta
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          I own/owned this game. It's awesome. : DarkWolf5
          • It was a really fun game. : bombay
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      Locational Damage, Deployables, Random Mission Generator - Terra Nova - 1996 And wouldn't Team Fortress... : AxeMan808
      • Oh. Also Squad Commands and AI Teammates in Terra Nova. : AxeMan808
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      have fun reading up on Seal Team, too! http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/seal-team (forefather of R... : roushimsx
      • Oh my lord yes! That had tracer fire, ballistic arcs and AI squad + commands (before Terra Nova!). Oooo, ... : AxeMan808
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    Uh, goldeneye had good FPS controls on a console. (N64) actually I think all your halo ones are wrong.... : alexthegreat2
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      there is a giant difference between tight dual stick controls and an abomination of cbuttons. the differ... : threeup
      • you could use dual sticks in Goldeneye using two gamepads, just like Smash TV on the NES. : roushimsx
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      Yea, especially based on his last statements, I think he made this list in order to convince people that ... : famine101
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        No. You're way off. I made this list because I am a game developer and its helpful to know where you've b... : zeroprey
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          you own the most bland (albeit most polished) one. : retarded talking dinosaur
          • I'd agree. I've played the others, but I was pretty much a PC only gamer until this generation. : zeroprey
        • i'm a game dev too, and for the same points i think you are dead on. Perhaps you aren't first of first, ... : threeup
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      At the time it did but have you tried playing it since playing FPS on newer consoles? It is virtually unp... : invisible_kid
      • so when something else comes out that controls better than halo, it's the first with good controls now? ... : alexthegreat2
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      I disagree. Goldeneye had a somewhat strange control scheme with its aim button that wasn't copied much. ... : zeroprey
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        I don't even think Halo was the first to do dual analog (even excluding the 2 controller goldeneye mode).... : alexthegreat2
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          I'm not sure about anything earlier than Medal of Honor, but I think Descent Maximum may have. Hrml. It s... : roushimsx
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            looking on google I'm seeing that the UT port for ps1 did it well in 2000 : alexthegreat2
            • UT didn't get ported to PS1 :( Quake II did and I think that supported dual analog (a month or two bef... : roushimsx
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        Quake 3 actually controlled really well on the Dreamcast. : socksta
        • and it supported mouse+keyboard, did it not? <3 Did any FPS before it on console support a mouse and k... : roushimsx
      • Goldeneye had that, as well. It just wasn't the default option. : timmie
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    anyone else remember cybermage? heavy RPG elements, awesome graphics for the time : EvilDolemite
    • That was an awesome game, Origin made a lot of a great games. : bombay
  • Vehicle Combat = CODENAME EAGLE in 99 : invisible_kid
  • Defending a fucking briefcase - SoF 2, 2002 : rosewood
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    Wasn't Ultima: Underworld (also by Deus Ex' Warren Spector) the first real-time first-person RPG? : Mad Brahmin Disease
    • SS and UU were sort of developed in tandem. Kinda. UU came out before but SS was like the alternative pro... : SpaecKow
  • Skynet should be on there for something : dignan
  • Cool list but you seem to have made a few mistakes here: Good FPS controls for console - GoldenEye64 w... : wytefang
  • interactive first person cut scenes - half life, 98 scripted sequences - half life, 98 This one is fuz... : jet-poop
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  Yeah I think definitely he's right about HL2. Scripting before that was very much a matter of blowing shi... : SpaecKow
  • Also you're right about Duke being a proto-Half Life in many ways. Duke had exclusively explodey sort of ... : SpaecKow
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    I wouldn't classify a simple physics manipulator like the gravity gun to be some kind of great innovation... : Arcanum
    • Yeah but the whole thread idea came on in part due to the fact that I couldn't use one in another FPS. : dognose
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      You could say that about any innovation, really... : Dave-A
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        Not in the same way, no. Automatically regenerating health as the primary healing mechanic isn't obvious... : Arcanum
        • Having a physics gun is one thing, figuring how to use it is another. Remember Doom 3 was going to have o... : Dave-A
• Dungeon Master (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeon_Master_%28video_game%29) made you level up not by ki : Tissen
• Also I think Doom 3 is notable for ambient sound design, and those interactive computer screen thingies. : Dave-A
• Half life series showed me that you can have good story & story telling in a FPS. Also, I'd argue that th... : jingletard

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  I can't believe you are angry at this game because you thought it was an adventure game and it turned out... : SpaecKow
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    I am not "angry" I am incredibly surprised this is the type of game he is making based on the theme and a... : abrasion
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      oh so now you are going to play it? : SpaecKow
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        No, not at all, this latest bombcast has sealed the deal entirely for me. No interest what so ever. : abrasion
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          I'm going to tell you what I told my father when he complained that Eastern Promises was a slow film with... : SpaecKow
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            My issue is precisely the opposite to your terrible analogy. Sry :( : abrasion
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              How does my analogy fail? You are clearly both fags who hate good things. : SpaecKow
              • Maybe you should introduce us >:( : abrasion
    • you did cry out to your god about it : MoreVespeneGas
  • I think it only applies to the multiplayer, which was what they started with as a prototype. I would expe... : BlackCat9
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  The way they described it on Idle Thumbs sounded a lot like Sacrifice to me, too. I wondered why nobody h... : BlackCat9
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    I loved sacrifice it was a fun game to play, but the characters meant absoloutely nothing to me. : abrasion
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      One of them was voiced by Tim Curry. : BlackCat9
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        See what I mean? Good characterization (schafers specialty) is totally wasted here! Damn I would have l... : abrasion
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          Yeah, I really wish he'd stop making awesome stories, characters, etc burdened by mediocre gameplay syste... : Vincent Grayson
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            It sounds to me like he is working on a game where the gameplay is by far the most important component an... : abrasion
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              Sacrifice is nearly 10 years old. I think it's a bit unfair to judge what can and can't be done in the ge... : marmite
              • We shall see, I will wait for the shacknews verdict. : abrasion
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    Yeah I could never beat the last level either. Also, I found the whole war of attrition thing pretty repe... : node
    • Yep, it made it really hard to overcome an enemy advantage. Even with cheat codes, I found the last level... : BlackCat9
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  1. The earliest info on Brutal Legend always mentioned it had RTS properties that were similar to Sacrifi... : Borzoi
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    Sacrifice rocks. I would still liken this to Id software making an adventure game. : abrasion
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      Why are you so sure that these people can't make anything other than an adventure game? : SpaecKow
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        Because he's posting from a mental institution if you hadn't noticed. : ArB
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          I am posting from work :( and I nearly blew up the microwave just then : abrasion
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            You should know not to put METAL in the microwave. : ArB
            • That is exactly what I did :( : abrasion
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        I'm not, I just do not think this type of game suits scafer and I do not think this type of game needs go... : abrasion
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          brutal legend is going to be awesome, you silence your dirty mouth : stamps
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            10$ says it is another one of his critically acclaimed financial failures. : abrasion
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              i would be happy if it is even half as brilliant as psychonauts. of course he'll be living out of a card... : stamps
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                Yes psychonauts is really good. I got right near the end of it but not quite fnished : abrasion
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                  yes unfortunately it peters off a little towards the end. and i will take you up on your 10 roobux wager... : stamps
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                    Done and US$ : abrasion
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                      that feeble currency has no worth to me : stamps
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                        Where are you? : abrasion
                        • Canberra, ACT, Australia. : stamps
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                        Hey don't you know seven? : SpaecKow
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                          yup : stamps
                          • Ah, thought I recognised your nick, he talked about you... : SpaecKow
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              Brutal Legend is going to sell like hotcakes. You might want to put your $10 away for a rainy day. : ateam311
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                And this is in no way comparable to Psychnonauts. It might be a "typical" Schafer game, but it still has ... : ateam311
                • I would say it is not even a typical schafer game. : abrasion
              • I won the last shackbet I made! : abrasion
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  semi-hijack Are you as weired out by iD seemingly making an actual game with Rage? You know, rather than... : chazums
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    Doom 3 was a full attempt at a game and restored my configdence at them making single player games after ... : abrasion
    • For some reason it weirds me out, I like the look of it but it seems odd for them to produce something so... : chazums
    • Doom 3 was just that though: an attempt. Nothing really changed other than the rendering. The story was s... : ateam311
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      You liked Doom 3? : SpaecKow
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        I respect I'd software for trying, because in my opinion they had really not pit in any effort for a whil... : abrasion
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          What did he tell you? : SpaecKow
          • He told me to basically stop being a whiny champion for doom of old while he is at e3 and lots of news is... : abrasion
        • What did they not put effort into before Doom 3? Quake 3? : Chris Remo
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        Why is hating Doom 3 trendy here? Seriously, WHY? : the archvile
        • Because it is a GAYME. : SpaecKow
        • It's a matter of personal opinion. I do not feel like it was a great game, therefore I don't like it. : ateam311
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          I think people got bored with the core gameplay - go into room shoot monsters, turn around shoot monster ... : chazums
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            Okay, but didn't Id say that they were going to bring back the feel of the original Doom games while taki... : the archvile
            • Same, I had a lot of fear, just as I did with doom, : abrasion
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              People just didn't like the result I guess, they rather put themselves in a tight position trying to plea... : chazums
              • I can understand, but it's as though those people were expecting the best game ever, and those people wer... : the archvile
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          I thought it felt old fashioned when it came out compared to other FPS games. On top of that, the graphic... : marmite
          • Old fashioned perhaps, more just poorly thought out I think. The problem is that they tried to make a gam... : SpaecKow
          • What? Those "high contrast" shadows only added to the style and tension. It would've been worse with soft... : Marrbe
        • Played 15 minutes and stopped. Same with a lot of friends. They must have done at least something wrong. ... : guigr
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        I loved Doom 3. I played through it a few times on PC and then got the Xbox version and played through co... : Rauol Duke
        • Doom 3 brotha. Had a great time with the game (playing at midnight whilst alone). : Marrbe
  • lol... : ColoradoCNC
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  As someone who actually played it at E3, trust me when I say it is awesome. Also, how the hell did yo... : ColoradoCNC
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    Giant bomb 28:50 seconds from 18th of august, listen to it, it sums up my thoughts absoloutely perfectly,... : abrasion
    • I did, and Brad and Vinnie (who played it) said it was fun so that's probably the best thing you can take... : kainen1
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      they are talking about the multiplayer portion of the game, right? : pandastrong
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        They attended a multiplayer demo of it, which is what they were discussing. As of that podcast, there was... : ateam311
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          They have said similar things for SP in the past unfortunately. : abrasion
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            They as in the devs, or the Giant Bomb folks? : ateam311
            • Giant Bomb have seen the SP and had similar comments. : abrasion
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        at that point they are yeah - but Ryan and Jeffs overall opinion of the game, thus far completely and utt... : abrasion
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          that's nice, but forming opinions about a game before it's out is premature. Ryan and Jeff like a certa... : kainen1
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            I think the problem with this whole thread is that we're assuming it's going to be too awfully like an RT... : ateam311
            • I love RTS games and I love Tim Schafers games normally - I still don't think the 2 I would normally mix... : abrasion
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  I wish it would come out on pc :( : stgdz
  • I keep forgetting this fact. Every time I remember that its currently console only, I get a little sad :... : MuteMode
• You're overreacting. The game seems completely bad ass. : kainen1
• I know in doing the WP article on it, that they developed the multiplayer part of the game first. While ... : Masem
• I think that's just the MP portion. I watched a single player portion of the game a while back, and it w... : CrustaR

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  1. EDF 2017 2. Gears of War 3. Gears of War 2 I don't have a 4 or 5. : ieGod
  • Oh L4D I guess. : ieGod
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    edf?? really? : kainen1
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      It's amazing in co-op. Single player is awful but with a buddy it becomes a billion* times more fun. : Horn
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        why has it gotten such awful reviews? Is it split screen? : kainen1
        • Most reviewers don't play through coop? : Ebu
        • Because like I said the single player is pretty lame. I nearly gave up on it but I had a buddy over and ... : Horn
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          They weren't drunk and playing co-op. : Masem
          • well i mean what makes co-op any different? any way of describing it? : kainen1
        • - Its ugly - Its got clipping issues galore - Its got really bad animation - Its got awful sounds - ... : BigT
    • What do you mean really? It's fantastic. : ieGod
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  CASTLE McFUCKIN CRASHERS : TastyWheat
  • Ah yeah I forgot about this one. : ieGod
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  1. Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2. Burnout Paradise party mode 3. Halo 3 4. Gearses of Warses 5. Left fe... : Dave-A
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    played Marvel UA. It was ok, needs to be more games like that though....thats the 'type' of couch co-op ... : kainen1
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      I guess Castle Crashers then, it has multiple-dudes-on-screen-hit-things gameplay. Didn't grab me though. : Dave-A
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        yeah got that, it's not very great. : kainen1
        • *twitch* CHECK PLEASE : TastyWheat
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          you have terrible taste in games : maulla
          • yeah you're right. Becasue I find Castle Crashers to be an initially neat, but overall extermely repetit... : kainen1
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    What's party mode in Burnout Paradise? : Halen
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      Pass-the-pad gameplay. Basically, each player has a crack at doing a challenge (like a time trial, or som... : Arctic Fox
      • :( Split screen would be more fun : Halen
    • http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-burnout-party-pack/17-211/ : Dave-A
• splosion man is really fun in MP as well : maulla
• oooo I'll be following this thread. Also, no-one has said RockBand? : Arctic Fox
• Lego games if it's with a noob/girl. : GodZilly
• Gears of War 2 Castle Crashers N+ Halo 3 Rock Band : Begawkiness
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  Lego Star Wars Earth Defense Force 2017 Castle Crashers Rock Band 2 Lego Indiana Jones : ThomW
  • Yeah the Lego games are all great co-op fun. : Arctic Fox
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  Definitely Earth Defense Force. Everything else can suck a fat dick. : [fry]
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    can you guys IMAGINE a new EDF with updated graphics and good online co-op and ljkasfd : [fry]
    • the world isn't ready. : NeoMoose
    • I'm hoping they are working on something like that... I can't really tell for sure because the website is... : MagicWishMonkey
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    ^^^^ this. The Gears of War and R6:Vegas games are fun too. : MagicWishMonkey
    • R6:V is SO damned good to get into with another person. : DinK
• 1. EDF (by far) 2. Castle Crashers 3. Gears of War 1 or 2 4. Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 5. Halo 3 : NeoMoose
• Get two 360s and play Crackdown, it's worth it. Geometry Wars 2 can be fun. Most other games that come ... : DinK