OnLive Closed Beta Begins

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  I guess you don't buy games from Steam either then. : SilverSnake
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    I don't buy games from Steam. I own quite a few Valve games but I always buy them at retails stores. What... : anal justice
    • you have a credit card # : Cihte
    • haha, are you serious? : valael
    • jesus wept... : niceguynick
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      You've got to be kidding me. : Autocrawler
      • Why? retail frequently beats steam. : abrasion
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    I think this is a massive step above that. In order to access an OnLive game you've bought, they need t... : DinK
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      They *could* unlock it all, but that wouldn't be Valve's call (other then for their own games). What I... : SilverSnake
      • Maybe it *IS* Valve's call if the right language is in their publishing agreement. They already have per... : DinK
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  1984/Animal farm were the books removed on the kindle : imcompa
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    Seriously? Now why is that I wonder? Why such critical books that deal with censorship themselves? Strang... : Don Soleone
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      copyright/publishing issues : zverozyab
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        Specifically, the company that was selling those books didn't have the rights to do so. It is just coinc... : cmotors
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          But the fact that the company could get into your kindle and remove it, without your permission is what p... : ShadowRam
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            Which is exactly the point I'm making here. At least Amazon is now making steps to make amends but it st... : TrustAvidity
            • still* its* I understand not letting people edit comments to keep what they originally said posted, b... : TrustAvidity
            • I'm pretty sure OnLive actually lets you rent games. So, if I'm not mistaken, your complaint doesn't exis : Autocrawler

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• This is my biggest fear. That people will say it is "good enough" and they will accept the laggy control... : .frame
• This is a valid concern but not at the numbers you're talking about. If you run a local game at 30fps th... : DinK
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  SirX those of us who've been on this here wacky internets for more than 7 or 8 years know this kind of th... : abrasion
  • dont forget the lag of the incoming video. i mean come on. 720p video with zero buffering? even low resol... : boobie
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    So true. I mean if Rock Band needs to calibrate the input just based on what TV you have to its synced w... : SirX
    • *i can't =it can't : SirX
  • I think it's really naive to say it's never going to happen, regardless of how long you've been using the... : CyCo_PL
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  I tried it at GDC and... it seemed to work frighteningly well. : stuka
  • ya, but the server was on the local network was it not? : SirX

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  wrong : iggypopped
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    his opinion is wrong? How can an opinion, one that wants both outcomes even, be wrong? are you trolli... : vertdang
    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feB7Oc8rw1o : Smurfy12
    • wrong! : iggypopped
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  yeah being able to play all the greatest games on any spec hardware instantly without having to go to the... : derelict515
  • You would instead have to buy it through OnLive. This is the part I really don't think people are get... : Schnapple
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  yea the programming would be amazing, no cheats, no hacks, pretty much no client side tech support, wowow... : Chandler55
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    But we wont have mods, and thats sad. : Longgshot
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      What was the last good major mod? : JasonReece
      • This logic is flawed. It's the small, tiny mods that change small quibbles about games that make the PC ... : IndigoAK
      • That's such an uninformed statement. There are hundreds of excellent mods released ever year, small and l... : Wisp!
      • Black Mesa: Source - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lul60ixy_40&fmt=22 : anal justice
      • Well, there's all those ones for Oblivion, Fallout 3 (including major bugfix mods or enhancements), Fligh... : LoioshDwaggie
      • Good major mods could be incorporated in this as well. : TheNiXXeD
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        Aside from the stuff other people are mentioning, also the hacks people do to make old games still work o... : Johnny Law
        • Actually... it's pretty much a given that eventually OnLive will have to stop providing access to games o... : Johnny Law
• I'm with you. I want this to go die in a fire. But then, I still buy CD's, so I'm a relic of the last... : master_disaster_17
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  this is no different than download only services like steam/d2d/gog/etc. here you just don't have to was... : araczynski
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    Please see my post elsewhere in this thread - you still have to buy the games before you can play them. ... : Schnapple
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      Everyone knows you still have to buy the game, stop posting about it. You obviously have to buy the ga... : davidc02
      • I know the lag is still there and blah blah blah, but if that problem is solved, and video compression is... : davidc02
      • Really, do you honestly think this will ever replace CD/DVD games? Does anyone think so? Data takes time ... : errandum
  • It's very different from Steam. http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=20817599#itemanchor_20817599 : DinK
  • Gametap as well. : Wolfanoz
  • You are wrong. Sorry. : FuryVII

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  Bookmarked : Serpico74
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    how does it feel to be anticipating the castration of a 13 year old english boy : DeBurgo
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      Exciting as fuck. : T-900
      • hell yeah! : menekis
• Yeah right, you will probably chicken out before you post the pics. : dubiousbrick
• why punish us? : kaspyn
• You better not chicken out! : irrerno
• Does the Shack have a toxx clause? : Fighting_Dairy_Farmer

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• Greetings from belgium :) : Snipergen
• Cap? :) : vx2o

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• I'm with you but it appears we're in the minority for whatever reason. Besides the fact that I just ca : Schnapple
• 720p@ what bitrate is the question. Even something like 1000kbps that would look passable for TV/movies w... : GMRiggs
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  I'm paying $20 a month for a 30 Mb/s downstream connection. : Meadows.TR
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    I'm paying $40 a month for a 3 Mb/s downstream connection. :( : irby0
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      i think i pay around 65 for 10 down and 1 up and a 95GB cap that we regularly exceed : dantastic
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        Damn, 95GB is pretty weak. Youtube, Hulu, maybe a few Steam downloads, game demos, movie/game trailers, ... : Freon
        • Don't come to belgium than, we have 20 GB limits each month. And we pay €1 for each gig we want to ... : Snipergen
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  This shit needs to bomb why? Even if it's a big hit. Does it concern you so much that it must bomb? : ShadowRam
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    pc gamers always feel so special : scener
    • but I'm a hardcore PC gamer and I still don't get the hate? : ShadowRam
• Spend an extra $20/month and watch Hulu, YoutubeHD, cancel your TV service if you have any. It's worth i... : Freon
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  Well shit, if you don't want it then I guess it should bomb. Thank you for keeping us in the loop as to w... : Memitim
  • Technology that is actually in your house and not 200 miles and 100 ms round trip away. : Jimbo Ro
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  When I played it at GDC, I intentionally played Bioshock, since I know that game like the back of my hand... : jason bergman
  • No sir it doesnt fucking work the controls lag ! : Cashh
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  you don't pay more than 20 for internet and bitch about 720p. oi : burningpantsman
  • He's saying that he doesn't currently spend more than $20/month on Internet and he would have to spend mo... : Schnapple

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• http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=1090 : Leviathan41

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• Something that sounds so utterly unrealistic that is being developed for real is just too intriguing to p... : Fighting_Dairy_Farmer
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  I totally forgot how many people hate this thing with all of their venom. I don't get all the hate. : askedrelic
  • I don't hate it, but I'm also not naive enough to think it will ever work with the current network infras... : carbontree
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    I'm against it (as is evident from all my posts in this story) but I wouldn't say I hate it. Hate's a str... : Schnapple
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      I'm having trouble understanding how these statements can be read as arguments against the concept of OnL... : ladelulaku
      • By arguments against it I meant that this is what people are talking about when they're saying it won't w... : Schnapple

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• Don't hate on the hares, man. : Arceihn

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  But you don't understand, it does the 720 stuff back in the server rooms. So you don't have to. : watcherxp
  • You don't understand that 1024x600 is not 720p : boarder2
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    Do you have any idea what 720p means? : OmegaRed59
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      1280x720 progressive. The client could scale the video down but, those netbooks have a hard time running ... : TheDaFox
      • The way this system works it's better to run in native, not scale down. It helps keep bandwidth under con... : free2game365
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    Don't worry watcherxp, I found the sarcasm. : dmason
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      Thank you... : watcherxp
      • We need to coin a version of Poe's Law for technical jargon : Schnapple
  • I lol'd :) : mystifier
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  what about vga out or hdmi out? : at0micgarden
  • you'd probably need to but still you'd need more than a 200 dollar netbook. they can barely play youtube... : dantastic

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  We're also taking them at their word that they've really been doing this for seven years. I'm not saying ... : Schnapple
  • aye, taking them even on their 'secret' level of trust is an interesting place to be in. but we're sheep... : simple|quaker

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• good point. didn't know. : umegastar
• Citation: http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/57804 Users need only subscribe to OnLive and purchase : Schnapple
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  lol wow I didn't know that. Do you get to keep your license if you decide to install it locally later? : .frame
  • My cynical side says probably not. Which is part of the reason why publishers are so on board : Schnapple
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  I didn't realize that, no. However, when you look at it basically what you're doing is renting a top-end... : Angrakhan
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    That's cool, but I'm just not sure how, if it's such a savings to the consumer, that it could possibly wo... : Schnapple
    • Yah I have no idea how OnLive plans to make money if they're passing that kind of savings on to the consu... : Angrakhan
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    Hmm, I spend about $600-700 every 2-3 years. Plus I get a nice, fairly powerful PC to do other stuff. A... : Freon
    • I'm not sure they've announced pricing on the device. But if it's $200 then they're committing suicide... : Schnapple
  • Nice maths. : matrixneo42
• Answer: I totally understand your wonder about how many people missed that detail. I myself did not, a... : unholydonuts

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• Yea, nice thinking but that would be no, you are completely wrong. The thing about MP games is that in... : anal justice

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  You should listen to Carmack more carefully then. There is no lag-free game in the world. The engine n... : anal justice
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    This is what I was saying back when they first started talking about it. You are adding LAG not replacin... : .frame
    • im glad you said it. this is all on top of whats already in the game. more input lag, more video lag. lo... : boobie

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  turn-based RPGs are gonna make a comeback, haha : senor135
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    No. Very good point. They might be specifically only targeting games that aren't high intensity twitch ... : matrixneo42
    • Especially since those games can be easily played client side for a flat fee : Schnapple

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• Duke Nuke'm Forever is a tough act to follow. They have to stretch this out to over a fucking decade. : dmason
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  Waaaaaay back in the day I signed up to be a Phantom beta tester. I should see if I still have those ... : Schnapple
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    This is nothing like Phantom. People need to stop making that comparison. : Cihte
    • My point was that a beta signup doesn't necessarily mean there will ever be a product (i.e., it still cou... : Schnapple
• this is, most likely, the real deal : iggypopped
• have faith, there's still time. : senor135
• It is, don't believe it for a goddamned second. : abrasion

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  The games must be running on high end hardware, that's the part that doesn't make sense. : Porkasaurus
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    The games are running on high end hardware at OnLive's server facilities. All your machine has to handle ... : Serpico74
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      I think he's saying that the part that doesn't make sense is how they could possibly have enough hardware... : Schnapple
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        Economy Of Scale Besides, they don't actually have to run this on the same hardware you'd use in you... : master_disaster_17
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          In reality they use PC compatible hardware with virtualization. They are using a load of nVidia Quadros w... : anal justice
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            [citation needed] : Schnapple
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              I was told by an OnLive rep at GDC that for most games virtualization works fine. But for Crysis, it's a ... : jason bergman
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                And Wikipedia supports that. However, it still doesn't address the issue of what happens when too many pe... : Schnapple
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                  The company goes under. I was told they have the ability to limit the number of people that can play a... : jason bergman
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                    Hehe (Insert Crysis like game) is currently unavailable in your area, please choose another game Th... : one random winner
                    • OnLive is currently unavailable in your area because everyone is playing Crysis. Try again later Even ... : Schnapple
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            are they rewriting the games so they can be used this way? I don't think so... : umegastar
            • Do they have to? I don't think so. : Meadows.TR
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              They don't have to rewrite the games at all. They spawn virtual machines on demand and have to use 1 GPU ... : anal justice
              • Meaning that the cost of upgrading hardware is passed from the consumer to the OnLive people. Which is... : Schnapple
  • Shared hardware makes sense. What's dubious is the volume and speed of the HD video. : dubiousbrick
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  yea but you'd still be stuck with that same low res on the 360.. thats what makes me prefer pc games some... : techx4
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    Until the tech improves and they can run 1080p and above... : Wisp!
    • "the tech" is America's broadband infrastructure, which is owned by a half dozen public companies with li... : ReiMomo
• i second that, i want this tech to succeed so badly, eventhough it wouldnt in my country (due to 8 gb dow... : hanged_man

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• In their defense, it doesn't look like a ponzi scheme - they've demonstrated an actual product, worked on... : Schnapple

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  Something I don't get is - I don't think they can scale well enough if, say, everyone wanted to play Crys... : Schnapple
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    They'll probably only accept waves of subscribers at first, so there are no scaling problems. : aqtrans
    • Oh good, so the only people you can play against are the ones who were accepted as subscribers, instead o... : Schnapple

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• If your ISP limits how much you can use your connection expect to be charged extra after using OnLive for... : Prinny God
• Yeah, this would be an expensive option for people with bandwidth limits. : Serpico74
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  It won't. : Schnapple
  • it won't work that is : Schnapple
• I'm guessing it would be about the same as streaming a 720p video. : gibolas1234
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  I'm presuming here that to reduce lag the absolute best way this would work is to have one of their 'clou... : biofrog
  • I think this is the ONLY way it could ever work, bandwidth caps or not. Every hop between your computer a... : thecray
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    They already stated that they were going to have agreements with major ISP for the service. : razlebol
    • Seems like the ISPs are in a great position to capture any value this service might offer the consumer. T... : JarEme

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• I think this is a good point. : phipple
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  To expand on that idea, I think it'll be a thing where a whole bunch of clones come out, and they all fai... : DeBurgo
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    XBOX Live was more accessible by an order of magnitude. That helped just a wee bit. : johnsto
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      if by "accessible" you mean "on a console" then yeah I guess... but also there were other mid-early 90s e... : DeBurgo
      • I don't know that it does. I think the difference is xbox live is a good service and the others you ment... : UberKalden

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• I think it may have it's place. My desktop is 5+ years old and I'm not in the situation to buy a new pc, ... : Creepin_Jeezus
• You don't even need a computer.. It's an option. You can rent or buy the box shown in the pictures and th... : razlebol

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• this is pretty clever : tKillbox

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• Cool. : TheIneffableBob

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• I want this technology to fail so bad. : Schnapple
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  Me too. Even if it isn't 100% now, I hope that there's enough interest and subscribers to continue improv... : Serpico74
  • Also, this makes gaming on netbooks and most notebooks totally feasible. Again, I want to believe. :( : Serpico74
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  I don't think I'll ever be able to handle the laggy controls : .frame
  • Yeah, I really hope it fails, because even if its just good enough for the average joe it will never be g... : TheDaFox
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  there is no way they will have the infrastructure to handle this. : gyokuro
  • that's a really shortsighted statement. infrastructure can be built. in fact every technical obstacle... : iggypopped