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  An Android phone? What is your carrier? : melkore
  • Sprint. : Dr_Cube
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  what do you need to sync with it? Music or contacts? : filthysock
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    Contacts, calendar, memos, etc. : Dr_Cube
    • as others have said just sync with google calendar/mail/contacts. I have an iphone and i never have to sy... : filthysock
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  You should get a Palm Pre and step away from the antiquated notion of syncing. : Deathlove
  • Pretty much any smartphone these days except for winmo... : dravalen
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    So, what has replaced synching? : Dr_Cube
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      The cloud. Contact lists stored remotely. Facebook integration. No being tethered to your computer for ap... : Deathlove
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        Sounds insecure. : Dr_Cube
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          Google and Facebook not secure enough for you? : Deathlove
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            Any strong encryption apps to protect passwords? : Dr_Cube
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              As in KeePass- or PasswordSafe-type programs? I think there's a Homebrew app for that, but nothing on the... : Deathlove
              • Yeah. I like having a local app with strong encryption. : Dr_Cube
            • Are you friends with the president? Lots of top secret appointments with secret agents? It's contacts a... : hawkeye
        • lol : opengl128
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        yeah but on iphone, mobileme is 100 a year for cloud sync. : xxiv
        • You can sync with Google Contacts and Calendar on the iPhone as well. : hawkeye
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  if you're staying with sprint, check out a blackberry - I know this sounds like crazy talk, but my berry ... : PlanetPerfecto
  • no crazieness here blackberries are really good, cheap smartphones. : unsound
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    I may have to look into this. Yup. I can't really afford an iphone + the plan that comes with it so I am ... : Dr_Cube
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      heh, i used to tell people to avoid sprint at all costs. but the berry with unlimited roaming, data, and ... : PlanetPerfecto
      • Sprint has awesome plans, coverage, and support (hit or miss, like with every company), but if you don't ... : fleabug
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    Important note. The Blackberry's web browser is useless. glad they bought IRIS, they've need to repla : hawkeye
    • this is a fair point. the bolt browser beta is pretty nifty compared to the default one, as is opera mini... : PlanetPerfecto
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  Sprint is launching two Android phones very soon. ~October or November Samsung InstinctQ. HTC Hero ... : fleabug
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    I shall keep my eyes out for the InstinctQ then. I LOVE Samsung's work. They are the new Sony as far as I... : Dr_Cube
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      Looked at it some more and WOW. That is a really cool little phone. That would be a massive upgrade from ... : Dr_Cube
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        Just a heads up to that the Hero experience is much better than the base android stuff. There's a ton of ... : dravalen
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          Any obstacles to developing for it? Do you need an "HTC Hero" SDK? : Dr_Cube
          • Nope just straight up android SDK, it's very linux friendly. : dravalen
      • =D I love my G1, despite being constantly surrounded by iPhones at work and home. Being my first sm... : fleabug
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      You can mount and android as a flash USB storage, I don't know about linux compatibility but I don't know... : dravalen
      • Good stuff to know. I'd much prefer file transfer to synching. Thank you. : Dr_Cube
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    Why not the Hero? : Dr_Cube
    • The Hero is not a "Google Experience" phone. For now, I think it's the better choice. Who knows, Sprint... : fleabug
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    i have been using the htc hero for a couple of weeks now and i love it. gmail, google calendar and contac... : giraffen
    • you start to get lag if you use the browser. At least it does for me. If I don't use the browser at all, ... : captfarrell
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  http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ : Conan
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    ironically, it probably won't sync with Linux even though it runs Linux : Postal
    • Previous maemo devices have with me; I had an N800 for a while, and got it set up with my local evolution... : Conan
• On linux, I just tried chrome and it's about 2.5x faster than ff 3.5.2 on the stupid peacekeeper benchmar... : jcupitt
• If you're on Sprint and you get a phone besides the Pre you're crazy. : deject

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  Because people who play video games are fags who can't get laid, brah. : Deathlove
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    one of my strongest memories is being about 20 and having a friend, who played madden, nba live, and othe... : EvilDolemite
    • Did he get laid way more than you did? : famine101
• My younger cousins play both. I hate sports games unless it's awesome like NBA JAM for Genesis! : Rice-Rocketeer
• I've never really ever met any "sports only" gamers. Speaking as someone who is a turbo nerd gamer who l... : soggybagel
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  if you don't enjoy actually playing sports, and don't know the names of the athletes, why would you be in : Megara9
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    'cause of the gameplay. as they say in the article, i don't enjoy civic planning, but sim city is fun. ... : EvilDolemite
    • I dunno ED.. but what doesn't apply in your case does in mine. I don't play Sims or Second Life because ... : Megara9
    • There is no real semblence of civic planning or historical accuracy in either of the games you mention. T... : ieGod
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    I think thats over simplification thought isn't it? In Rock Band there are songs that if not playing the... : soggybagel
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      I think Rock Band is a poor example for your point. I don't think its appeal is in pretending to play in... : Megara9
      • Well yeah the appeal is certainly the fusion of popular music and the timing based progression of songs t... : soggybagel
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        and there's a reason why Madden has proper NFL teams and not your just a bunch of local people having a g... : thecray
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          Hey dude, I liked Mutant League Football. : soggybagel
          • well yeah, who didn't. Teams of skeletons > teams of humans, even well known humans. : thecray
• In fact yeah the 1up article is more accurate that I am often trying to explain why I like sports games t... : soggybagel
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  I know why I don't play any sports games. I require progression in my games. When I sit down and play... : cornchak
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    Thats my argument for not playing World of Warcraft. : soggybagel
    • It turned out it was mine too. The third or fourth time my group wiped on a dungeon and I realized I had... : cornchak
  • The last FIFA had a "Be a Pro" mode where you create a player, join a team and earn xp based on your perf... : pyide
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  Sports aren't particularly interesting to me in general. Why would I play a game based on things I'm not... : Sapiens
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    are you honestly interested in every topic in every game you play? : EvilDolemite
    • I NEED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I LAY DOWN THIS NEXT BLOCK. WILL THE REST OF THE LINE DISAPPEAR AGAIN?!... : soggybagel
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      In one way or another, almost any game I decide to play is somehow interesting to me, yes. Do you play a... : Sapiens
      • there are elements of almost any game that are interesting to me, but i don't play all of them : EvilDolemite
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  Pro Evo and now FIFA are the only sports games I play, but then soccer is the only sport I care for. Thou... : pyide
  • FIFA 10 is looking pretty good. : contentious roy
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  Also, Madden is fucking hard to play. I tried the demo a year or two ago and had no idea what to do. Cou... : cornchak
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    what bothers me most about madden is the fucking learning curve. the tutorials suck. knowing just some ... : EvilDolemite
    • This is exactly the reason why I cannot play Madden games. Being from NZ I have absolutely NO idea about ... : thecray
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      yeah, I really have no clue how to read the defense/offense and what to adjust to based on their formatio... : Prozium
      • not only that, but you're expected to switch from an overhead strategy-style game with playbooks and rout... : EvilDolemite
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      The thing that always takes me awhile to get used to in Madden is it seems that many of the controls get ... : bld
      • guys, the learning curve is not that deep. madden is not 'hardcore' you can play on easy and the ai wi... : xxiv
    • They have made that a little easier with the addition of the madden IQ thing and the easy play calling. I... : DonarUDL
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    yeah i liked NFL blitz back in the day. a few simple plays to choose from not too many controls to remem... : dantastic
    • oh and the play screens in the old blitz were large and pretty obvious as to what they did and what you w... : dantastic
  • On the flipside this is why I love it. As a high school quarterback I know how to make the reads and loo... : Scotty22
• One interesting thing of note with sports games is that they are playing a lot more like RPG's. NHL 10 i... : soggybagel
• I think the Madden games have just gotten too complicated and have been targeted towards the "hardcore" s... : jake
• I'm too tired to read the article, I'll check it out tomorrow but this the focus seems to be on Madden I ... : pyide
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  I hate trying to control an entire team at once, especially stuff like soccer or hockey where there's ton... : cerealSAM2
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    NHL & FIFA 09 have modes where you can control a single player through the whole game, as if you were a ... : pyide
    • I pretty much stick with PC games nowadays. They don't make sports games for the PC anymore, do they? : cerealSAM2
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  I like games that allow me to do things I can't do IRL. I enjoy sports and participate in a few, but I d... : sleepytea
  • Thats why I hated Grand Theft Auto 4. I have murdered my share of prostitutes. : soggybagel
• Pretty much never been a sports game fan, ever - played 2 on the C64 and that was it. : abrasion
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  Probably because it's the same game every fucking year and "hardcore gamers" like to try new things unles : SockMonkeh
  • I've never liked the claim that Madden is the same game every year, because that's a pretty grossly inacc... : roushimsx
• Sports games are nice because when I get home after a day of work I can turn on my PS3, play a few matche... : Bamii
• I just played the Madden '10 demo and Tiger Woods '10 and I have a real hankering for both now. It hasn't... : buzzbat
• The answer is pretty simple, Madden isn't easy. You go to your friend's house and he tosses you a beer. Y... : steauengeglase
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  My observation is that the Madden-playing crowd is decidedly different than what you think of as "gamers" : TPSReport
  • There are still some nerdy people who play madden, but for the most part you are right, the madden crowd ... : DonarUDL
• Because unlike braid and the rest you can actually go outside and really play sports. I don't play fucken... : terath
• I own Madden 93 and NHL 94, as well as Tecmo Bowl and Tecmo Super Bowl... why'd I need another sports gam... : Grumbeld
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  Sports -simulators- are often if not always boring, shallow and repetitive. They don't provoke thought or... : aldraek
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    That sounds like a good description of every shooter ever put out for any platform, though... : batkiwi
    • I will sometimes play shooting games, but I won't play any more sports simulators. I've played football, ... : aldraek
• The only game I own for my XBox is Fifa. : underground banana plantation
• I don't enjoy them. It always feels like a poor simulation of the real thing. Buttons aren't enough to te... : Tchest
• I don't play sports games because I don't like sports, so really the entire concept, even if it were hous... : Vincent Grayson
• Wow, you know, I was interested in playing madden before I read that article, but now I kind of feel the ... : DeBurgo
• The biggest problem I have with basically all of the EA sports games is that the training/manual included... : TabsAZ
• I find sports very boring so I don't even buy them. I know nothing about the rules or the athletes which... : mikefr24
• I don't play Madden because it's too hardcore for me. I like more casual stuff like NFL Blitz or Tecmo Su... : roushimsx
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  Sports games when they transitioned to the playstation era just took too much of a curve to simulation in... : ghost in my shell
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    I contend that NBA Jam for the SNES was the best sports game : Supine
    • yes - why isn't NBA Jam on XBLA yet? : Smitty
• Because the storytelling is my favorite part of games. : melt_core
• I don't like any sports games except NHL, and the occasional Tiger Woods game. Why would I play Madden? I... : avatar_58
• I haven't thoroughly enjoyed a sports game since NHL '94 on my Genesis : action roommate
• The last sports game I bought and played on a regular basis was NFL 2k3, still one of the best football g... : MagicWishMonkey
• I'm all madden'd out for one lifetime. : massdev
• Stopped playing Madden in 1997. I had a three touchdown lead going into 2mins, 10seconds of the four... : sukabljat
• good read : maulla
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  I find football to be boring and the same applies to madden. Brief moments of action followed by picking... : Lionhart32935
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    So youre saying that I cant be both a hardcore sports fan and a hardcore gamer? I think they go hand in h... : maulla
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      I wasn't quite saying that. I am in the same boat, I live and die by PES but I love my other video games... : Lionhart32935
      • That makes more sense, but I think the points that he makes in the article give good reason for how these... : maulla
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      I disagree about the story bit. The two are not even comparable. It's cool when things flow together nice... : ieGod
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        In the end it boils down to the person. For me, a great game of football or basketball is much more enjoy... : maulla
        • i had this whole thing written up but tldr is i agree. : xxiv
• Because I can go outside and play football and I can't go outside and kill monsters with a magic missile? : CapnChaos
• Most hardcore video game players don't care about sports IRL. So they don't care about the subject matter... : Zek
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  i'm sort of blown away by the replies in this thread. i play madden, on a purely casual level. i get ... : xxiv
  • hell they even have the option of picking the play FOR YOU with the "ask madden" option. you can chan... : xxiv
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    You described madden on its most basic level, and that doesn scratch the surface of how deep and confusin... : maulla
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      you can play and have fun on it's most basic level. if you don't know shit about football then why wo... : xxiv
      • Regardless, the game has always had a steep learning curve for those who want to play on anything above r... : maulla
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  The only "sports" game I ever really played much of was NFL Blitz on the N64. : valael
  • OH! and NHL 95 (Jesus, that was 14 years ago?) because I lived in the Azores and a couple neighbors and I... : valael
• I don't play realistic sports games, but it's not a mystery to me as to why. I'm just not interested, whe... : ieGod
• How many of you play sports management titles? I used to love playing Eastside Hockey Manager, you don'... : mnsnota
• I play the Tiger Woods games (because I golf IRL and will probably never play some of the courses in the ... : Fyunch Click
• I don't have a single sports game on my collection with the exception of GOAL STORM 97 and some FIFA game... : X-GOUKI
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  sports games try to do too much that's unnecessary in a videogame environment. they could be awesome if t... : thebigbeefsandwich
  • i don't even know what you're talking about. : xxiv
  • If you are referring to some of the presentation stuff, I can agree. There is a lot of stuff that adds to... : maulla
• because super gaming nerds dont really like sports to begin with? : dantastic
• i love baseball, soccer and hockey games. was never able to get into sim basketball and football games. ... : BaronVonSnakPak

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• Maybe a war museum in your area or somewhere else in the US would do something like that. : stump
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  For reference JAP means Japanese!! : soggybagel
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    Yeah I'm pretty good with derogatory names. But terms like Maytag are a bit harder to track down. I found... : angrytaxman
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      what sort of sentence was it used in? i actually won't be any help, i'm just supremely curious : xsoulbrothax
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        He would say something about "Stood guard last night, no Maytag" : angrytaxman
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          Those washers never break down. : trove
          • ...it was full of them...the spin cycles never stopped... : drbriefs
  • You mean there were no spoiled Jewish women there? : Mad Brahmin Disease
• If you're in the mood, you could visit a local VFW joint and talk with some of the guys there. You'd get... : mafu5150
• My Dad has done this with my Grandfather's stuff. He is a teacher/historian as well and would probably b... : bigjb
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  My grandparents had a neighbor who served, D-Day, all that jazz. When he died his sons went through is... : rosewood
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    Can't trust a man that keeps a diary. : trove
    • Agreed, listening to them freak out over their hellish nightmares at 3AM is much more accurate. Grandpa's... : steauengeglase
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    That's crazy! I'm pretty sure my great uncle won't have any of those things pop up since I've read most o... : angrytaxman
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      "July 5th, 1943 - So hot today you could drink the air. My platoon mate Skip is set to get hitched to som... : Porkasaurus
      • hahahahah : sirsteven
      • fuck sake. this is pure win. :) still lolling. : PlanetPerfecto
      • Maytag is code for "gay sex." : Portax
      • Hahaha. Great. : Danny5225
      • haha! were u there? : papaskot
      • bahahahahahahah : Serpico74
      • hahahahahah : Old_Fart
      • HAHAHA! Oh man, I haven't laughed out loud from an internet post in awhile. This one had me rolling. Brav... : Flint Ironstag
      • Pure gold! Roflol! : utgaardsloke
      • hahahahahahah : MagicWishMonkey
      • HAHAHAHAHAHA : Silent Wolf
      • Call of Duty 6 : Fire in the foxhole : voodooraze
      • ILTC started in 1943? : MercFox1
      • hahahaha : thekidd
      • very well done. : Xanthos
      • you fucking won latestchatty.x : industro
      • This woulld make a great Quantum Leap episode. : mnsnota
      • fkn lol : ThomW
  • sounds like he had quite a time. : StolenNosferatu
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    This seems somehow appropriate: http://www.fukung.net/v/15487/2749928cfa2910d25ea5988a1ce9c97a.jpg : cerealSAM2
    • Hahaha. : stump
    • lololol : edgewise
    • lol : abrasion
    • omg : Serpico74
    • lol : deafstarr
    • lol : Hoax
    • haha that's great : Perturbation
    • ahahahaha : Mad Brahmin Disease
    • hahah : dissembler
    • wow : festivalman
    • hahaha his smile at the end is perfect : nodebug
    • lol : DonkeyPopsicle
  • Alls fair with love AND war? : Cygnus X-1
  • jesus... how terrible would you feel to friendly-fire even once? ugh... : proclone1
  • Wow holy shit sounds like he was kindof a scumbag : Reeves
  • That's what you get for trusting grad students with anything. : Portax
  • Oh man that sucks - lol : abrasion
  • ugh teamkiller. : sirsteven
• I'd do it like a blog, new entry each day or so, somewhat in-line with the timeline of the journal. : TimeDoctor

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  Shack group spanked a pub yesterday as 20 point underdogs. Hellbringer is madly underrated. : MercFox1
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    yeah he can be a great tank and initiator, but he needs the right items for teh game and most people are ... : Xanthos
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      Thoughts on this build? INT Bracer INT Boots Hellflower -> Resto/Hellflower Frostfield Plate (?) ... : MercFox1
      • that sounds pretty ideal if you have enough HP. he's kind of a filler and hellflower does nicely to suppo... : Xanthos
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        scarab + 5 totems enhanced marchers* great arcana* glowstone or sustainer* sustainer or glowstone* ... : DrFlammable
        • restoration stone is key, don't build a hellflower in its stead. : DrFlammable
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          when you do one of these mega totem builds - do you just sell them as space becomes a problem, or do you ... : multisync
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            a little of both. if i'm forced to go back to base and i'm short 25 or 50 gold from buying another item i... : DrFlammable
            • I buy them on almost every one of my heroes now. It makes me so viable and strong in my lane early game ... : kgargs
          • sell them, it's really only a loss of (5 totems at 53 gold = 130 loan for the + 5 all stats) : kainen1
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          addendum: gank strategy doesn't include the use of the slow because generally i max death boil, life void... : DrFlammable
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            but isnt death boil a pretty shitty DOT after early game? Or is that skilled just for lane control? : kainen1
            • it's amazing for lane control and don't count it out until late game since most of the time you're nullif... : DrFlammable
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      I can't stand him McPants and I remember you saying that as well. What's changed your mind? And if you ... : kainen1
      • i was playing him wrong. I sucked with warlock and didn't realize how brutally effective his AOE skill is... : Xanthos
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        hellbringer rules 1. He is one of the best laners there is. death boil does very good damage (very exp : Foxhawk
        • oh yea and as mcpants said, the aoe life void not only does a badonkdebuff, but it makes you more or less... : Foxhawk
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          Maybe I just don't like those type of skills but something about him doesn't click well with me....he's k... : kainen1
          • the lv visual effect is subtle and doesn't match up to the monster effect lv has. DrFlammable is right a... : Foxhawk
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          Why do you like Ophelia? I'm so bad at micro I shy away from playing her : kgargs
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            I love her. I think she's great. Dude all you have to do is hit TAB and it's your standard first skill ... : kainen1
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              really? TAB? I have been hotkeying every individual creep and doing it that way. OMG I AM GOING TO KICK A... : sesmaster
              • tab does switch between units, but you're still going to be better off using control groups as you'll oft... : Foxhawk
          • She's more challenging micro-wise, which I love. Plus she's very good early to mid game. 1. Chain stu... : Foxhawk
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    merc is pew pew : mmaster_pw
    • That first game, though, some dude picked scout and my rage could've powered Rhode Island for a week. :[ : MercFox1
• 30 point underdog team with my and a friend and a bunch of pubbies. some jackass picked scout on our team... : Xanthos
• We won an insanely long Shackmatch yesterday! Because of wife agro and a phonecall I managed to get out w... : Bamii
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  Played a little Axe and perfecting my jungling art. I was creep stackin and whirling my way to a Helm an... : kainen1
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    Is being solo in a lane against 2 people normally seen as being a good thing? Sure you get full exp but i... : Zek
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      Having a 2nd solo lane is a good thing. Granted, he needs to be in the 'short' or easy lane depending if... : kainen1
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        Its only good to have a 2nd solo lane if that hero is a good solo'er, if you stick a shitty solo in that ... : Xanthos
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          well granted if that happens I'll try to pull from the forest on the short/easy side instead of outright ... : kainen1
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            oh luna should be able to solo a lane no problem. However if you have someone like pestilence trying to s... : Xanthos
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              NOT ALWAYS MCPANTS! NOT ALWAYS! : sesmaster
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                true, if you're as bad as peters then you probably can't solo, or even duo properly. : Xanthos
                • I fucking hate how bad that night was. That was the night I uninstalled. : sesmaster
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      I one game I was up against Devourer and Electrician on my own, playing Blacksmith. That was awfull, espe... : Bamii
      • First I = In ofcourse. : Bamii

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  I was ready to buy it until I read here that it breaks quicksilver. I use that all the time to launch stu... : lacker
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    Spotlight launches stuff and defines words just fine. : ovrlrd
    • yeah i haven't used QS, is it that much better than cmd+space then typing in whatever? : xxiv
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    I switched from QS to Google Quick Search Box and haven't looked back, apparently it was programmed by th... : ErneX
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      But does it do as many things? Can you control iTunes playback with it? : rudds
      • read: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=20768977#itemanchor_20768977 : ErneX
      • yeah you can control iTunes too, it has a lot of plugins by default : ErneX
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        Yes, but oh god is it slow as hell for me. On both my iMac and MBP it's slow as piss, and doesn't index ... : foo
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          slow? it's fucking fast over here, but I unchecked these options from the preferences (perhaps these are ... : ErneX
          • I tried disabling those too :( I'll give it another shot in a few days : foo
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      This Google Quick Search Box is pretty nice. Throwing QS into the trash now. : Mmmmmoo
      • yeah, dammit... bye QS =( : jo3
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      Hated GQS. Slow as shit and not as nice as QS. : stuka
      • i tried spotlight /gqs but both were really slow compared to qs so i was wondering wtf when people here... : Hoax
  • Some have said it works mostly OK other than some plugins being weird. I'm not sure what to believe now. : rudds
  • oh and b56a7 of Quicksilver works good on SL, what happened before was that the pref pane appeared with n... : ErneX
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    fuck quicksilver. I use spotlight as an app launcher or Google Search Box. Quicksilver is an out of date ... : askedrelic
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      Totally agree, Quicksilver was okay until Spotlight came around, then it was worthless for 99% of the peo... : ovrlrd
      • I do a lot of the tab stuff. Interacting directly with applications without bringing up the windows. I ... : foo
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      I do more than launch apps with QS, I control iTunes almost exclusively with it and rarely open the windo... : rudds
      • There are plenty of other random apps that control itunes just as well. : askedrelic
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    Why wouldn't Quicksilver get updated for 10.6 compatibility? : dmason
    • The guy who made it has abandoned the project to the opensource community. I'm sure it'll get updated, bu... : BlackCat9
  • http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=20743109#itemanchor_20743109 : stuka
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    basically anything that used a NSMenuItem is broken in 64-bit SL. QuickSilver is open sourced, no? Someon... : Yanks
    • I meant NSMenuExtra. Durr. NSStatusItems are OK though. : Yanks
    • Is it limited to 64-bit mode? That's a (currently, it'll only grow) quite small number of SnowLeopard use... : Fayk
  • WTF is with the Quicksilver hate in this thread. Before Snow Leopard I haven't had a single problem with... : hawkeye
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    new build of quicksilver lets you have both. : halophoenix
    • http://groups.google.com/group/blacktree-quicksilver/browse_thread/thread/bb286b5aa93757f8?pli=1 : halophoenix
• My FedEx tracking originally said due for delivery today, but midday they updated it to tomorrow. It just... : rudds
• In the car and on my way to pick up my copy right now : TastyWheat
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  The order page on the Apple store says it hasn't shipped yet. I guess I'm going to have to wait for my $1... : BlackCat9
  • My box set hasn't shipped yet. :( : sgtsanity
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  Aw yeh boi http://www.shackpics.com/files/iPhoneUpload_zxty3sqaoe8jf6wlxkux.jpg : TastyWheat
  • Be careful where you stick that finger, the leopard will bite it off. : ovrlrd
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    Install it and tell us how it is! : FirstPersonCooter
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      Installing now, I just walked in the door. It's gonna take an hour :( : TastyWheat
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        What are the installation options, and which one did you choose? : kramweil
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          Install options are: - Install. I chose it. : TastyWheat
          • haha : Demius
• I got yer Snow Leopard right here. : Fred Garvin
• Mine drops tomorrow. Going to install it on my Mac Pro first. I put a second HDD to try a stripe and se... : Tripps
• My two up to date copies from the Apple store haven't shipped :~( : veras
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  MS's remote desktop client crashes on 10.6 and CoRD has insane mouse lag for me and I don't know why, it'... : boarder2
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    hmm... now i'm hesitant. I use cord all day long. : festivalman
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      I think I fixed it. Seemed to be a problem using the aero themed mouse cursor. When I switched to no them... : boarder2
      • oh, yeah i have that issue with vista/windows 7 remoting. it's probably due to the non black&white cursor... : festivalman
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  Done! It's uh, noticeably faster. Finder is snappy as fuck and the new Quicktime is fast and sweet. New E... : TastyWheat
  • The same movie? Wow that's kind of sad. Otherwise that sounds pretty nice and basically are the same thin... : ovrlrd
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    clean install or upgrade? : smacknca
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      In SL all upgrades are essentially Archive/Installs I think, the only way to do a clean install is to wip... : Yanks
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        No they removed the option for Archive & Install completely. They do still have the clean install option ... : ovrlrd
        • Oh and archive & install is still around if you choose to do a "reinstall" of Snow Leopard. It might be p... : ovrlrd
        • Archive and install "option" is removed because it archive and installs by default. It also automaticall... : SolrFlare
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      Does it back everything up for a clean install? : brickmatt
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        Blah, so would a clean install be worth it? Any real difference? : brickmatt
        • Perhaps if you find it to be a comforting ritual. : vigilante
        • After reading SolrFlare's post it just seems like the only difference is that if you don't want to keep a... : ovrlrd
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    All of the changes are extremely subtle but over time you will find and appreciate them all. The snappine... : Yanks
    • Yep! : TastyWheat
  • Mine has 24 minutes left remaining in the installation! : kramweil
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    Image Capture is a tonne better : hankyJR
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      wtf is a tonne, you aussie...it's TON :p : devnullgt
      • how many kilos in a ton? : hankyJR
      • http://www.google.com/search?q=tonne&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox... : Arctic Fox
• getting a free copy via work next week : EvilDolemite
• WTF, I just found out my local Apple store is actually closed for remodeling. Looks like they picked the ... : ovrlrd
• My copy is in the mail. : orgcaptainnemo
• You guys will really enjoy it. The shit it does in the background to help prevent bad things from happen... : SolrFlare
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  Not upgrading until Growl and PlugSuit / Afloat / RightZoom are fixed :( : stuka
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    Growl will have an update very soon. PlugSuit works as long as your app is running in 32-bit mode. Afloat... : ovrlrd
    • What does Growl do? Help schedule times to poop? : Lightzout
    • Growl is already working? I haven't had any issues with it so far. 1.1.6 here. : hawkeye
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  We were warned that 900 cases of Snow Leopard were coming though here today and to be prepared for the ex... : Old_Fart
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    With an arrow in their logo? : Mad Brahmin Disease
    • There's an arrow? OMG : Serpico74
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  So far it's great. iTunes didn't recognize my iPhone when I plugged it in though, and I had to delete tha... : kramweil
  • iTunes recognized my iPhone but decided that this version of iTunes wasn't authorized so it wiped out all... : hawkeye
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  installed... It's snappier and Quicktime looks awesome. That's about it. : red2lucas
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    Check out the Snow Leopard wallpaper. It looks like the snow leopard on the preferences but when I select... : kramweil
    • I have a picture of that snow leopard as my wallpaper. Works as normal. : red2lucas
• Man I want one of those! http://chadao.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/snow-leopard.jpg Heeeeere kitty ... : mystifier
• Amazon says Tuesday :( But I can wait I'm in no rush : vov1n
• Waiting for Mac OS X Lynx. : Lone Swordsman

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• Also, that ArctiClean stuff from Arctic Silver is no joke. : Sapiens
• Just upgrading from an 8800 to a 4890 was nite and day in some games on an e8400 : baron calamity
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  I am surprised you didn't wait and get an I5. : ant_hillbilly
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    he'd need a new MB for the i5 too. : hirez
    • ^^ this. I made what I felt was the last really "worthwhile" upgrade to my current system, barring some ... : Sapiens
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    i5 > i7? : rudds
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      http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3585 : Sapiens
      • My bad, this article has a lot more information - http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=357... : Sapiens
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      No, it i5 is for the mainstream, dual channel memory instead of triple channel, yada yada yada. : Serpico74
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        That said, so many games are much much more GPU limited instead of CPU limited. I thought for sure I was : Serpico74
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          I mean, a roughly 8% decrease in performance with HL2:Ep2 going from an E8400 to an i7 920, gah, I just c : Serpico74
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            It's the minimal amount of cache in the i7s that keep them from tearing away from the Penryns. The revise... : Dr_Cube
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              Don't get me wrong, they still kick ass in a lot of areas (smokes for video encoding), but again, my PC i... : Serpico74
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                I am in the exact same boat. A buddy of mine encodes a lot of media so it makes sense for him but my desk... : Dr_Cube
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                  The thing is that I'm planning on moving everything over to a new case and getting an even larger, more e... : Serpico74
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                    that was pretty much my reasoning in jumping on the micro center $160 Q9550 - it's the last upgrade for t... : xsoulbrothax
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                      Heck dude, does Microcenter still have the 920 for only $200? I can't speak for Serpico's case, but I've ... : MercFox1
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                        The E8400 is also a hell of a lot faster than an E6600 :) Check out the benchmarks I linked, in most... : Serpico74
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                          i think it's more in games that don't stress the CPU as much :D ones that do, you can see a MASSIVE diffe... : xsoulbrothax
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                            Check out the benchmarks in the link above, the E8400 beat out the Q6600 by a wide margin, and the E6600 ... : Serpico74
                            • Yeah, so compare it to the Q9550 on there, which is of the same generation. It either runs similarly (EP2... : xsoulbrothax
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                          Man, I was hoping to see something like Forged Alliance in there (CPU-hungry is an understatement). The E... : MercFox1
                          • If you run with vsync on (like a smarty man should) you're most likely capped at 60 FPS anyway so it's no... : Sapiens
                          • do you use the.. ah, what's it called.. Core Maximizer prog for SupCom/FA? it was pretty awesome iirc : xsoulbrothax
                          • The duals will do better than the quads with most of those benchmarks because very few games will use fou... : Serpico74
                      • yup. http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0302727 and 9550 is $170, oop... : xsoulbrothax
                  • I can't imagine the Q9650 being worth the extra $100 over a Q9550 when you're only getting a 200MHz bump ... : Sapiens
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      I'm definitely waiting for the high end i5s. I don't know if Intel will actually do it, but you can clock... : CasbahBoy
      • High end i5 will be the new price/performance sweet spot. : Dr_Cube
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      No. : abrasion
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        It really depends on the kind of i5 you get and what you're using it for. : Sapiens
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          i7 is faster. : abrasion
          • I guess if you want to be simple about it. I read rudds' question as "Is the i5 better than the i7" whic... : Sapiens
• two of those games you mentioned (gta4 and arma2) also specifically benefit pretty big time from quads ov... : xsoulbrothax
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  I wonder if it's your graphics card that is really giving you the noticeable boost. : Dr_Cube
  • crysis yeah, the other two it's pretty even : xsoulbrothax
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    Part of it is simply having more video RAM. My laptop uses a P9700 and GeForce 260M 1GB and was outperfo... : Sapiens
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      You lucky bastard. I want a laptop like that. What is it? A Sager? : Dr_Cube
      • Yep, got it through PCTorque. It's a lifesaver since most nights at work I have several hours of downtim... : Sapiens
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  Resolution? : mnsnota
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    640x480 : kagath
    • I only game at 300fps. : ryuuseki
  • 1680x1050, using a Samsung 2253BW. : Sapiens
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  I have an e8500 and a 4870, but I already get 1000fps in quake 2 so there's no point in me upgrading. : hanfeitzu
  • quake 2 doesnt even have round surfaces : snuff
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  I'm going to do something similar I think and upgrade my e6750/9800gt. I think the Q9550s and a 4890 - bu... : hirez
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    I saw your post earlier would we really notice a jump from e6750? I know my 4870 1gb might like it. : Iwannaacura
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      I think I'd be able to overclock that s version pretty well, which would be worth it, and the video card ... : hirez
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        plus I do want to start reencoding my avchd home movies, for which the quad is a necessity. : hirez
        • Are you using a P35 mobo? I have a 8800gts on a P35. I thought I would get a new GPU first, then RAM or... : Lightzout
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  i just moved from a q9550 with 8 gigs ram to a i7 920 with 12 gigs ram. Moderate upgrade! : re-verse
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    Tell me you really saw a difference adding 4 more gigs of ram, unless it just added a few inches of eP. : Lightzout
    • I have to assume he is doing some kind of heavy duty work and not just playing games. : Sapiens
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  Wow, that's kind of odd, but it makes sense if you were at breakpoints for AA/AF and resolutions. : Link.
  • It was more a case of the games I'm playing wanting more cores or more video RAM. 1680x1050 with 8x AF a... : Sapiens
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  I bet if you put your e8500 back in you'll get the same frame rates as the q9550. : Longinus00
  • So when I play GTA4 and all 4 cores are at 75-90% utilization, you think I will get the same framerate wi... : Sapiens
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    definitely not gta4. it's a random internet link, but this is a stock 2.4GHz Q6600 about equaling an E840... : xsoulbrothax
    • ah, here we go. same site - 2.83 q9550 straight-up stomping the shit out of the 3.3 e8600 by ~40%, all ot... : xsoulbrothax
• i still don't feel my january 2008 system is "slow". i mean compared to what you can get for the same mo... : EvilDolemite
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  Is Arma 2 the only game which is actually built to utilize a quad core cpu? Its a good point which I had... : Lightzout
  • i mentioned a couple times in the thread - arma2 and gta4 are the big ones, and supreme commander also li... : xsoulbrothax
  • There's a demo for ArmA2 if you want to see how it performs on your current system. http://store.steam... : Sapiens
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  your old specs are my current, with the exception that ive got 2 4870's, though one of them runs extremel... : BaronVonSnakPak
  • My roommate is getting my old 4870; he has the same card in his PC and wants to give Crossfire a try. Wo... : Sapiens
• I can't even imagine how awesome its going to be when I upgrade from my 5600 X2 and 9600gt. : Cliffzorz