Rage Screens Show Off 'Virtual Texturing'

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  Isn't it just a lame old skybox i.e. not dynamic with real clouds but just a bunch of photos? : vx2o
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    Yeah that's a completely static skybox. And as you can see, the same one in all shots. The terrain looks ... : GreatGooglyMoogly
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      It's a screenshot ffs. Of course EVERYTHING is static. : anal justice
      • What? That's not what he means. Look at the screen shots. The clouds look exactly the same in all of them... : TrptJim
      • I for one expect animated .gif screenshots to show off weather effects : MamiyaOtaru
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      Dynamic skies are on the todo list, but they haven't been done yet. : binaryc
      • That's good to hear! A dynamic sky makes the world look way more alive. : GreatGooglyMoogly
• I wish with all my heart that sky wasn't skybox, but alas... Imagine those clouds moving and transformin... : donjuancarlos
• Yeah, I noticed that too : sikander

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  Why not? A 360 and PS3 are in the same development pipeline, so unless your other components are bleh, y... : JackAxe
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    Well, if you want to run the game at 720p on medium settings....sure. But not 1080p with max settings, wh... : Wisp!
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      Exactly, it hasn't been said at which detail level the engine will run at 60 fps on the consoles. I don't... : code-e255
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        According to Carmack exactly the same as on the PC, the only difference on the PC is the potential for hi... : slackshoe
        • They're the same when you're up close looking at the highest LOD maybe, but when you're running twice the... : DinK
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        id's games usually are very well optimized. It should run close to full details with a 8800gt depending o... : razlebol
        • It's like nobody remembers Doom 3 when it was new : MamiyaOtaru

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• Seems a little harsh to judge the lighting of the game off of one screenshot - the rest of those screensh... : downrightevil
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  You mean because it's not oversaturated in Bloom effects? : Mr. Goodwrench
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    No, I mean because Doom3's lighting was unified, and in this particular area Rage is a step down. That ni... : pillzer
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      Wait, are they seriously using a less sophisticated lighting solution for id Tech 5 than 4? Because I ... : M337ING
      • Yes, that doesn't mean the game will be any less great. They're just aiming for high performance this tim... : pillzer
      • Yes and no...they can do all the lighting in real-time, and at least the last I saw the lighting is all r... : gabrobot
• Use the right tool for the job. A fully realtime shadow system with a world this big would require LOD on... : Conan
• the lightmapping does look a bit weak : magicfucker

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• It's the door to the bat cave. : scanline
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  that's where they keep the mutant slave girls : anal justice
  • mmmmmm. mutant slave girls.... : meatnipples
• A convenience store : DingoStoleMyBaby
• Must be the complaints department. : Lukiopimp
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  Starfleet observation post. : jayacheess
  • lol : retarded talking dinosaur
  • clever :) : spyrext
• A new Starbucks. : steauengeglase
• Steve Fossett's new crib. : kaspyn
• And while we are on that subject, what's up with the lion-esque face in the same picture, just left of th... : donjuancarlos
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  A small screen like that looks totally photorealistic. All we need is high rez : needlez
  • http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=20607419#itemanchor_20607419 : binaryc

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  Did you just throw a television term into a discussion about computer resolutions? Yeah, you did. Sigh.... : TickHeadDog
  • It's not exactly a vague term. "Full HD resolution" means 1920x1080, which is a very possible resolution... : DinK
  • I game @ 1920x1080 on my PC, douche. : CrabsJarrard
  • I have a 16:9 Full HD COMPUTER monitor. You fail. : qwplayer
• Hate the the word HD, FFS I've been using a higher resolution than that for the last 9 years. : abjectblitz
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  OK, fair enough, but terminology ASIDE, if I wanted to run this at native 1920x1200 on my Dell 24" faptac... : MeestaNob
  • A GTX 280 with any recent Core 2 duo should run it just fine. : binaryc

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  It's only 729x546. : razlebol
  • Yea ok :( Would make for a great background though. : humbleone
• http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=20607419#itemanchor_20607419 : binaryc

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• Haha "old hat"? There are few game engines out there that are actually distributed to the extent that tec... : downrightevil

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• It's going to be hard to go back once we get used to a few games with this kind of tech. Just like going... : Freon
• To me it looks like a render to me. All you gotta do is look up at the rocks. Everyone who's seen the roc... : downrightevil

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  All of the id Tech engines were designed for id's games. id Tech 5 was clearly geared towards their ... : molaughlen
  • I think IW showed us that Id tech didn't have to be indoors. COD 1 was sweet. : CrabsJarrard
  • All major engines are infact: UE3 - look at the tech demos and then notice the models look almost exactly... : joooze
• the megatextures were only used for terrain in quake wars : Mansmells
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  id Tech 5 brings Megatextures to the entire game, world, models etc. As Mansmells said, ETQW only used me... : CurbDog
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    megatexture is only for terrain and static environmental texturing, not for object/transparent texturing : free2game365
    • No, id Tech 5 uses 100% virtual texturing. On everything. Look at the PDF linked in the article if you do... : gabrobot
• That, and the engine has been greatly improved since ETQW (including the megatexturing technology). : downrightevil

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  That read wrong: Meant to say, looks great hard to believe it will look that good on a console, so kudos ... : Visceral Monkey
  • harder to believe it will run at locked 60fps. : HisKillSkill
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  Isn't the whole point of id 5 that it will run on consoles? And it looks better on x360 than PS3 I think... : Dessicator82
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    id said they both look equal they're just working on get the PS3 to 60 fps Game's not releasing till 2... : MOB712
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      i thought 360 was gonna look a little crappier cause of the size limitations of DVD, since ps3 uses blue ... : Break
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        Really you thought? All by yourself? Because it doesnt say that in this or any Rage article. : syn0r
        • There was an issue that was resolved. Microsoft charges more for a multiple DVD release and id said they ... : Hoax
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          Actually Carmack said as much a few months back. There's no way of splitting the level up in 3 parts (jus... : uncleanmonkey
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            Incorrect. They were going to be restricted by the cost of adding addtional DVDs. Sounds like they may ... : DinK
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              How does "restricted by the cost of adding additional DVDs" make the post you're responding to incorrect?... : Freon
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                It's a question of what was the primary reason to do two discs. The two-wasteland thing mentioned below ... : DinK
                • There is no extra cost associated with multi-disc games either. Someone at id misread the terms and like ... : uncleanmonkey
            • No, you're incorrect. They have TWO wastelands in the game, which means you have to split it in TWO parts... : uncleanmonkey
    • Yeah there are hints in the PDF linked. Several talk about how it is hard to cut up jobs to fit on the c... : Freon
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  Ugh... can we step away from this PC vs console debate for at least one friggin post. : molaughlen
  • Nope. This is a games site. : Mr. Goodwrench
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  There is a screenshot in the PDF showing the texture resolution scaling capabilities of the engine when t... : maddy
  • There's no reason why you couldn't add a bias for specific pages of the texture. : uncleanmonkey

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• this is a 60FPS targeted game, I don't see any 60FPS console games that look this good : free2game365
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  It looks more than ok. But, there is a valid point here, even if you aren't making it. I think that g... : matrixneo42
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    Give me AI and gameplay over graphics, anyday. Good graphics are nice, but I said for years I wish id wou... : dlr(2)
    • There's more to graphics than just pretty pictures though. For instance animation can be very important ... : DinK
    • That's right, unfortunately good graphics are: 1) Easier to produce than good AI and 2) Helps sells the g... : pillzer
  • Maybe it's time we got more quantity along with the quality. Imagine something like Oblivion a generatio... : DinK
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  did they say somewhere the sky isnt dynamic? : chilln
  • what they have shown so far in video was static. We can still hope it was just temporary though. : pillzer

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  Now that ZeniMax (parent of Bethesda) owns id, this will likely become a reality. : milkychic
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    and thank god, because some of Bethesda's engine techniques suck the big one. They seem incapable of runn... : shikatsu
    • Yes it doesn't seem like their animation crew has learned much from other games or even from their own. F... : SabinRaijin
    • FO3 looks great, the load time is awesome, but yeah the animation left a lot to be desired. It was like ... : Freon
• traditionally, because the gameplay of rpgs required too much CPU to use a state-of-the-art graphics engi... : needlez
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  What about American McGees Alice? : matthaeus
  • That was an RPG? O_o : Freon
• id's engines typically are geared towards small enclosed areas for shooters. RPGs tend to happen more ou... : DinK
• Anachronox used id Tech 2! : gabrobot

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  No greater gift could be given to mankind than what you have requested. May The Carmack hear our pleas. : LordPhobos
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    I don't think it would id that makes that game... May The Lucas hear your pleas! : rick
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      God help us if Lucas sticks his nose into any of the development of JK4. It'll end up as Carebear-stupid ... : LordPhobos
      • Maybe Raven again? : Wilhuf
• Hell yes. : xsikal
• All bow down before the mighty id : ev0ljon
• Yes : retarded talking dinosaur
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  As a 360 / ps3 exclusive ! With a possible PC port 6+ months down the track x_x : te[R]ror
  • Screw console-specific games :P JK4 needs to be a PC game through and through. : LordPhobos
• Also Elder Scrolls 5 please. But make the engine do a proper day/night cycle. : DinK
• yeah it would be perfect, with the dramatic huge landscapes.. : needlez
• heck yes to the Jedi Knight 4. Meh to the Elder Scrolls - though that is almost certainly going to happen... : milkychic

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  Sounds like it would be difficult if everything was one big texture map...you would either have to edit a... : VictoriouSecret
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    Definitely needs some rethinking, but in the end the texture artist has a better overview and could work ... : Lukiopimp
    • I'm pretty sure as an artist, you aren't painting onto that giant texture, it's generated for you. You ma... : ion_pulse
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  According to the Edge magazine, the texture is about 120+GB uncompressed currently. : Vegtro
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    Holy hell that is massive! : VictoriouSecret
    • ....that's what she said.... : DingoStoleMyBaby
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    Edge also ends on kind of a negative note by writing that the engine isn't capable of a true day-night cy... : jccalhoun
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      The lighting is 100% static. : dopefish
      • still precooked lighting? WTF? : carbontree
    • Which isn't actually true...Rage is using baked lighting because it needs to run at 60fps, but it can do ... : gabrobot
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  All depends on the tools. I assume it would be like painting a house. The tool would then flatten it al... : molaughlen
  • This was my impression from the QuakeCon demo too. It definitely looked as easy as a paint program, wi... : Dr_Tran
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  Didn't you see the videos from a year ago where they show the tools? It's apparently really easy and mul... : timmie
  • This. As a matter of fact, I seem to recall Carmack even mentioned having this little space where he held... : ZaldronGG
  • I saw a bit of it, but tools demos are always shown in the best light possible. : Fred Garvin
  • I remember those videos too, you basically paint textures onto surfaces.. it looked so easy a nub could d... : techx4
• It's rather easy, and streamlined. You don't have to worry no more about texturesize restrictions as a ar... : droveri
• That's the major benefit of this thing, how easy it is to use. Artists can just draw shit where they want... : Tchest
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  Well, it's not a big texture map. It is more of an object with trees and layers of detail. The entire m... : Freon
  • Fuck misreply. :[ : Freon
• not really, you can edit things with a high amount of stability and not have to throw out textures becaus... : free2game365

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• You can install games to the HDD on the 360 too. Also, I'm not sure you should trust your gut in this ... : humbleone
• The whole point is that it runs on pc, x360 and ps3 : chazums
• id Software has shown Rage on PC, Xbox 360 and PS3 simultaneously. : matthaeus
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  Your gut tells you, that a game which is being designed ground-up for these two consoles, and PC as an af... : VisitorQ
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    I agree, as unfortunate as it sounds the game was designed for consoles so it will run fine. I'm inclined... : te[R]ror
    • I find that hard to believe - especially considering that it is id Software developing. This is probably... : humbleone

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  All i have to say is: meh Nothing special. I am not a fan of your comment posting style. Maybe i... : jeffmace3917
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    He said art style. Just because they're using fancy texture management doesn't mean the artists will n... : Mystery0000
    • This isn't blocky at all. This is whole thread is ridiculous. : lplasmatron
  • To add to Mystery0000's post: It does not matter what hyped-up technology a game has. I am not impressed ... : vx2o
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  Oh front page posters... *sigh* : lplasmatron
  • Been latestchatty'ing for 10 years... : vx2o
  • oh latest chatty wanna be elites... *sigh* : Pneum0
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  I think it looks fuggin great... : zeke
  • I like the textures, just not the modelling. The characters especially have the same problems since Doom3... : Mystery0000
• something is off. The terrain is photorealistic and the town is kinda steampunk : flasher 907

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  Amen! I fucking hate bloom. : rick
  • There's nothing wrong with bloom, but holy mother of earth, don't put it on every single surface in the g... : Meadows.TR
  • Yeah fuck bloom, looking at you codemasters! : abjectblitz
• QFT, I dare say : donjuancarlos

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• 2007 : 2010 :: Crysis : ? : molaughlen
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  It's an id engine. They all scale well. : h0cake
  • At the time of release, the original Quake engine didn't scale well at all in my experience. And neither ... : GreatGooglyMoogly

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  That's running at 60fps. In-game screenshot. -Xian PS: I have a man-crush on JP : xian
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    they may be in game screens, but you they looks really high resolution. I really dont expect to see that ... : HisKillSkill
    • Then again, who the fuck would play this on a console. : Marrbe

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  Yeah I noticed the water in these screenies is probably the weakest looking asset. Looks like a soft mist... : CurbDog
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    Better than it having no edge detection and just making a hard water plane edge at least. : ease one
    • Actually that would look more realistic than what they have now. What's in the screenshots reads as green... : gooblerampling
  • Ahh, I was thinking it was algae in clear water. : steauengeglase

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  Here are high resolution ones: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?s=1b7943cc6d72c0adbfd92bb2023e... : Josef
  • Thanks. Looks awesome! : scary_monster
  • Thanks. : THERAILMCCOY
  • Muchos gracias : pillzer

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• iD always used their games to "demo" their engines. Sometimes to the better, sometimes to the worse. : Lukiopimp

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• BEGONE FF FANBOI. FF13 doesn't even look that impressive, especially considering the what.. 6 year+ devel... : syn0r
• It's impressive if you even begin to understand what you are looking at. (hint: no texture seams or warpi... : Pulveri
• maybe you could try to understand what the engine is actually doing for texturing : moshman
• id Software isn't going for photorealism like Crysis, more about diversity and a certain design style. I ... : matthaeus
• hey look, it's the town idiot : red2lucas
• Next you'll be saying Gears of War looks as good as this. Have another look. : st4rdog

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• That is not what what the quote is saying. At all. : Fighting_Dairy_Farmer
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  Thats a very odd way to interpret that statement. The point is that virtual texturing lets artists paint ... : mirage
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    Well, I'm pretty sure they're not going to say that if your environments suck, it's because of our virtua... : mobab
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      Just thought about it. or are they saying that the virtual texturing is going to create an awesome env... : mobab
      • This isn't really that complicated. They aren't saying anything sucks! Read the sentence. They're just sa... : Arceihn
    • Why wouldn't they say that? It might suck in some situations. Even if we assume it never ever sucks, th... : ease one
• WRONG - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY - WRONG WRONG WRONG : syn0r
• Christ almighty. They're not trying to imply literal equality, they mean "Virtual texturing + great arti... : qsylvr

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  Looks like a 3 blade fan. : popkorn
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    Look at the grille surrounding it. Same shape, including the bump-out where the 2 goes. :) Just upside do... : TrickSh0t
    • Thats funny. It really does look like an upside down HL2 logo, but not enough for me to think it was inte... : rick

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• I'm curious as well. : molaughlen
• I've never though about that, that's a great idea actually! : Don Soleone
• i wish : retarded talking dinosaur

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• In ET:QW, you don't stand there waiting for it to load in the level. You wait for the loading bar to comp... : code-e255

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  Yeah, Obivion with guns was awesome! : cookman08
  • I like it! : qwplayer
  • Funny, I keep thinking Fallout with a color palette, and cars. : steauengeglase

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  Actually Raven is developing that and it using id Tech 4 Rage is gonna be the first game utilizing id ... : MOB712
  • ...and Endrant Studios made the MP for Wolfenstein. With different subset of id Tech 4 - the ETQW line. T... : droveri

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  One problem though.. look at the shot with the buggy in the lower-right, because of the scale of the text... : jriegel
  • It might just be one.. There was one mentionned in the Game Informer article a couple weeks ago. : pillzer

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• Patience, Daniel-San! : Wolfanoz
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  I'd rather see some video footage of this. Screenshots don't do anything justice these days. : pyide
  • And yet these look fabulous. : molaughlen

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• best nick ever : atom519