TF2 Spy Update Brings Diplomatic 'Ambassador'

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  I think some protection from a backstab is a damn good unlock. : Zips
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    You think wrong. : Mystery0000
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      No. Why does he? : etherealrhythm
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        It's protection from one backstab, and as if that wasn't useless enough, it also slows you down. So it : Mystery0000
        • It depends on the map and situation. On attack/defence maps you're far more likely to be killed by spies ... : thesubtlesnake
        • While it technically only protects from one backstab, I imagine it could get spies to avoid you altogethe... : OxygenGraffiti
        • Like the others have said, its usefulness will depend on the map and the situation. I know there are time... : etherealrhythm
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          ^^^^ To all of the above: If you have to come up with obscure situations in which the unlock is useful... : Mystery0000
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            It has to be just as useless as the SMG in order to be a sidegrade instead of an upgrade. : Gnomocide
            • Which is why I'm not asking them to add a tank to the Razorback. : Mystery0000
          • Good idea to be honest. Thing is though, we won't know how severe the slowdown is 'til sometime tomorrow.... : etherealrhythm
          • I don't think being a sniper on Dustbowl or Goldrush is an 'obscure situation'. I agree with your poi... : thesubtlesnake
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  So you've used these already I take it? : Godhatesfatpeople
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    No, but I have this amazing ability to read and process bits of information. : Mystery0000
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      Typically any assumptions made about weapons turn out be wrong when we actually get our hands on it, I've... : Wisp!
      • Well then colour me atypical. : Mystery0000
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  Spy needs buffs dude, additionally it is under utilized and they know it, so why not shower the love on t... : kainen1
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    Because they've been showering the Sniper with nothing but hatred and I for one would like the love to go... : Mystery0000
    • What are the other unlocks for the sniper? I only know of the razorback. : dookiebot
• Razorback would be nice if instead of breaking after getting stabbed, the shock used up the batteries' en... : Constipateddog

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  I thought you became uncloaked with that watch when moving. : DM7
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    no it only diminishes while moving and recharges while u stand still : Dyllers
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      Oh baby I want to get that. :( : DM7
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        sucks for spies that are always on the move, in which case the standard spy watch does regenerate while m... : RikiTiki2
        • You can still be on the move and use the new cloak watch. Just take a breather moving cloaked from corner... : DM7
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          But think about on defense when you're in start of round positioning. You can sit there all day and wait... : JediDwag
          • so long as no psyco pyro doesn't light you up : Saithene
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      But it seems you have to first use it standing still. You cannot be moving and using this. it says by the... : DM7
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        where in the description does it say anything about that? The description says "So long as you stand stil... : Dyllers
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          Read the last sentence. : DM7
          • I don't think that means you have to be standing still to cloak, but rather that only standing still will... : OxygenGraffiti
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            yes "movement will drain your cloak" like running into the enemy base then u get there and stand still w... : Dyllers
            • probably at a slower rate, but this way you can always count on being able to recharge : Slyvena
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      no, i don't think it will recharge, but it won't drain. : brainchild420
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        Finally, common sense out of the hundreds of comments I have read. No where has Valve said the cloak w... : WTHInac
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          "No where has Valve said the cloak will recharge it's supply while standing still. Only that it will rech... : warthog
          • and if it recharges at the same rate it was draining, what will it do? i shoulda been mr wizard... : brainchild420

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  tomorrow is the sniper's third, there is no more for the spy : RikiTiki2
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    No, there's stil the new knife. The two watches replace the watch (or you can still use the regular one)... : SoraRoxas
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      I hope the knife is insta kill from anywhere instead of back. ;) : DM7
      • The current one already does this at least once every few days to me lol... facestab'd : TabsAZ
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      how do you make an alternative to the knife that doesn't break the design of the class? the knife as it s... : RikiTiki2
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        A few people have suggested a garrote that perhaps you can use without breaking from your disguise/cloak : slackshoe
        • that would be perfect. just counter it with a slow "execute" time : pilgrimage
        • That would completely fuck up solo engineers. : bigexplosions
      • How about throwing daggers? You get three before you have to pick up more ammo. They act like the pyro'... : jjastor
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      He doesn't need a new knife. It's a one shot kill. Do you want it to kill harder? : pyide
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        A rapier that one shot kills from the front? ;) : DM7
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          the current implementation's random facestabs aren't good enough for you? :( : pyide
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            I've never had a random insta kill from a front stab. :( : DM7
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              From my understanding, you never will. You see yourself backstabbing the enemy, then because of network i... : Scoots06
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                mmm, i've facestabbed people many times. Not intentionally, but it seems to happen mostly when you run ri... : Dyllers
                • That is exactly the issue, and it is one of the biggest issues in this game and people just shrug it off!... : WTHInac
• They next sniper weapon should be a boomerang, in which the weapon knocks multiple targets within a certa... : efficient

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• Why hasnt anyone in the community made a Hunted President map? I used to love that in TF and TFC. : g000n

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• that's a very old pre-release video. : SniperWolf22
• They have them in the game still? http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5830/tf2groupshotposter.png : Godhatesfatpeople
• You know... detpacks would be an interesting unlock for the demoman. : zehh

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• how about a throwable insta kill knife, and you gotta go get it out of the guys body or you got no knife.... : brainchild420

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• the spy's not meant to be a sniper. this gives him some options, but his role will always remain sabotage : RikiTiki2
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  wtf are you talking about. show me ANYTHING from this game that is realistic. a class that can go INVIS... : papaskot
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    Seriously people, don't try to bring in any realism arguments into a game in a series that previously let... : SigmaDraconis
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      ಠ_ಠ : [7]kami
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        ಠ_ಠ : stewballz123
        • o.O : [7]kami

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  what about his hats? : RikiTiki2
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    I was assuming he was getting one of those Inspector Gadger/Sherlock Holmes/Rorschach type hats from that... : lerlerson
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      Sherlock Holmes wore a Fedora? : slackshoe
      • Huh, I googled him, and you're right, the hats don't look similar at all. I must be going crazy. So... : lerlerson
    • Sherlock wears a deerstalker. Rorschach wears a Fedora. Deerstalker: http://www.bates-hats.co.uk/ima... : JediDwag
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  Generally each class only gets 3 new things, and this is the spy's third. The sniper's 3rd thing hasn't b... : DOOManiac
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    Spy also has 4 slots, whereas the other classes have three so who knows what valve will do. : OmegaRed59
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      everyone has 4 slots : RikiTiki2
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        Not they do not. : Wisp!
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          i don't play competitive TF2 like you do, so i don't know much, but i do know how to count: http://www.s... : RikiTiki2
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            in that case spy has 5. gun knife watch cigs head. : papaskot
            • there is no watch slot. i think the "watches" are disguise kit : RikiTiki2
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            Those are the head items. Everyone is getting one of those. : Wisp!
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              4 slots is 4 slots : RikiTiki2
              • If you want to be picky as shit about it, I suppose. : Wisp!
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            You're a dick. He meant weapon slots (KNIFE, PISTOL. DISGUISE, SAPPER) : A Trusted Friend
            • i'm glad it took a trusted friend to tell me that : RikiTiki2
      • I think he means four weapon slots, not four loadout slots. If you're going by loadout though, there is a... : OxygenGraffiti
  • Yeah, but we still have 2 days, and on top of that, the order form for the Spy's new weapons showed 4 slo... : lerlerson

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• the other gun is pretty damn accurate too. : chilln
• I think you're on the ball for this, a bit more damage (possibly less/no falloff damage) and perfect accu... : ShrimpScampie
• Accuracy and Damage are the Ambassador's advantages, but as chilln said, the standard Revolver is noticea... : SigmaDraconis
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  The original gun is accurate and one of the most lethal close range secondary weapons in game. Better the... : dookiebot
  • At close range? Not really. : bigexplosions
  • no. At close range, both the regular pistol and shotgun beat the revolver. The revolver overtakes them b... : YamatoTwinkie

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  the firing rate would make him mincemeat for scouts if he misses : RikiTiki2
  • That's why god invented the Cloak and Dagger. : Wisp!

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• That would be awesome... :-D : JediDwag

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• that's how i see it, but with a really slow firing rate apparently : RikiTiki2
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  railguns take two hands dumbass. this is a pistol. gawd. : robosextoid
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    Its a proven scientific fact, railguns will only fire if two hands are holding them. Its caused by the bu... : Finchypoo
    • If you don't have a corncob up your ass you can use one or two hands. : ReiMomo