Take-Two v. 3D Realms Court Documents Materialize, 3DR's Scott Miller Responds
by Nick Breckon, May 15, 2009 5:58pm PDTThe first legal documents filed by publisher Take-Two in its lawsuit against Duke Nukem Forever developer 3D Realms have been released.
The documents amount to a call for a restraining order and a preliminary injunction, essentially a move to force 3D Realms to keep the Duke Nukem Forever assets intact during proceedings.
The order would force 3D Realms to "mantain and enforce all security measures necessary to preserve the integrity of [the Duke Nuke Forever source] code," as well as prevents them from "disclosing, distributing transfferring or selling...any proprietary information related to DNF." Take-Two claims that it is owed "millions of dollars" by 3D Realms for breaking an agreement to finish the game. The publisher also requested a copy of the existing Duke Nukem Forever source and object code "to ensure the code is preserved and remains unharmed during the pendency of this lawsuit."
Meanwhile, 3D Realms co-founder Scott Miller last night issued the first public comment from the company on Shacknews. Miller was replying to a user question of whether 3D Realms saw any of the $12 million that Take-Two paid Infogrames for the DNF publishing rights in 2000.
"No. We didn't get a penny of that money," said Miller. "This, along with so much else, is 100% spin, being eaten up by those who have no clue whatsoever."
Miller added that 3D Realms will have more to say on the matter "soon"--though Take-Two expects to go to trial no earlier than 9-12 months.
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First the figure of 30 million had been thrown around as the price T2 paid 3DR for Duke Publishing rights.
Then it became 12 million.
now Scott Miller says they paid nothing.
someone help me understand..........
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Its like just recently. Atari - flat broke - sold the Ghostbusters European publishing rights to Sony. Atari had bought that from Activision (?) I believe, along with the rights to Riddick - Dark Athena. Those deals have nothing to do with the developers and they wouldn't see a penny of it.
Here is how it probably went down in TT vs 3DR.
1. 3DR signs with GT (then bought by Infogrames) for DNF. My guess is money exchanged hands because there is no way in hell 3DR would give such a lucrative publishing right to GT for nuthin'. Then maybe they did. We won't know until the docs are released under discovery once the suit gets underway.
2. Infogrammes (which later buys Atari btw) gets tired of waiting for the game and decides to bail. So they sell the publishing rights to TT. At $12m - back in 2000 - thats a very hefty premium.
3. Since TT and 3DR have NO contract whatsoever, TT have NO control over what 3DR does with the game. It was fully self-funded by 3DR. So TT had no choice but to sit and wait. They eventually get tired of waiting and write down the $12m in their financials.
4. 3DR spends the better part of twelve years, screwing around with everyone's head, while blowing their own money on the game. Money which they obviously got from other ventures and not excluding whatever they got from GT/Infogrammes when it all started out.
5. 3DR runs out of money. They go to TT - who has the rights to publish the game - and ask for $5m to finish the game. TT says no and in an attempt to cap on their $12m, decided to buy the Duke IP for $30m. Of course its worth more than that, but publishers are righteous bastards and $30m for the Duke IP to a dev looking for $5m is nothing short of a firesale. And an insult. 3DR said no (I wouldn't do it either) and walked.
6. In order to show TT just how serious the situation was, rather than shop the title around - which am sure they did and wouldn't have been successful since TT would never sell the rights since they didn't have to - they knew it was the end of the line.
7. They close shop. Tell everyone to go home. Tell gamers to piss off.
Walked off with a Lifetime Achievement award from Wired mag and called it a day.
8. Take Two sues (as I said they would the very day this news broke). For whatever reason, that is their right.
As I said before, until docs start popping during discovery, my guess is that TT doesn't have a leg to stand on unless the rights they bought from GT clearly holds 3DR - the developer - to some performance standard. My guess is that it doesn't because once those rights were sold, the deal between 3DR and Infogrames probably terminated. If they hadn't terminated, TT would have had 100% say in the on-going development of the game, rather than sitting around and waiting.
So this also meant that whatever money Infogrames paid to 3DR up to that point, they could keep as that is industry norm when you project gets canned or sold off.
In the absense of the above, what I suspect TT is banking on is the promises of delivery and the twelve years of massive hype that 3DR had going. TT could argue that they bought the rights - and waited this long - based on promises (phone, email, marketing, PR, previews, pre-orders, the dog down the street barking Duke's name, some old wino around the corner talking about it etc) made by 3DR and they did so in good faith.
All the judge has to find is that TT bought something in good faith with a reasonable expectation of performance. If he rules on that, TT win. If he doesn't, its over and we'll never see DNF because TT will never release the rights. Lets hope there's no expiration clause. But after this long, my guess is that it is a non-expiring right they bought from Infogrames.
I want to be a fly on the wall in that court room when this goes to trial.
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I don't understand what he's saying Take 2 is lying about. It seems to me that Miller is intentionally being obtuse (or is "spinning" like crazy himself) in order to perpetuate the already factually-vague nature of everything that's happening. I mean, he can say that Take 2 is selling babies at this point and not much worse could happen to him.
I guess what I'm saying is that I'm more inclined to believe the company that is still in business, rather than the company that has nothing more to lose. But whatever -- it's not like Shacknews is Reuters. The Shack isn't going to get to the bottom of this as would an international news corporation. They can say anything they want to the Shack because... well, it's just a gaming blog (albeit the best damn gaming blog around!).
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This just looks like a grab for the IP, as seen by their requisition of the source code.
This should get very interesting very quickly.
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What this lawsuit tells us is pretty positive for DNF fans hoping this game will see the light of day sometimes. Here's why.
There obviously isn't much money left at 3DRealms to warrant a lawsuit, and from what I can gather there's no way in hell they would ever be the legitimate owner of DNF's codebase. What I assume Take Two wants to do with this lawsuit, is not so much getting 3DR's money and assets (thought they wouldn't say no to that obviously), but prevent Broussard and Miller from continuing development of this game under a different name, so as to evade their obligations with Take two.
That means we can speculate that 3DRealms is not so much shutting down as it is starting under a new name, probably with a reduced team, and probably changed the name of the game, so that it doesn't have to respect the publishing contract they had a long time ago. Yes, this lawsuit could indicate that the development of DNF has only been temporarily paused while Broussard and Miller are busy reorganizing, to continue development of DNF free of their obligations towards a publisher that isn't being cooperative.
What do you say?
We all look back on the original ideas behind the game Spore and we're all disappointed at how many of them didn't make it into the game or were cut from the shipping product.
Could it be that they were trying to pull off the most ambitious game ever made and things like this (dragging on forever, running out of money, etc.) is the reason most games drop the ambitious bits and just get the thing out the door?
(not that I'm saying Spore wasn't ambitious - it was - it just wasn't as ground breaking as we were led to believe)
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The court document is a rough draft..
Nothing is submitted according to the court website.
http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/iscroll/SQLData.jsp?IndexNo=601457-2009
Something is up..
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Read Millers own words on 3D Realms Site.
http://www.3drealms.com/news/2000/12/duke_nukem_find.html
[b]Mille/b]: [i]When Infogrames bought GT Interactive, they did seem to lean a little more toward family oriented games, and though that was a small concern for us it wasn�t the impetus for this deal. It was really just a case of both companies, through discussions that began near six months ago, realizing we were no longer the best fit for each other and that the best thing to do was find a new publisher. Take-Two was an obvious choice for us because of our existing relationship with them, including our other big production, Max Payne.[/i]
[i]Under the deal, The Gathering will publish Duke Nukem Forever for the PC and [b]Take 2[/b] will own the rights to the entire back catalog of PC and video game Duke Nukem titles, as well as rights to future products.[/i]
Face it... 3DR fooked up and now they are being made accountable for it. I know sometimes investments go bad, but when a companys keeps telling its invester that all is good and this happens... I'd want my money back too (or the IP)
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I thought this was all a hoax, but apparently not. In the end, I'm not the least bit surprised. Let em sink, let em lose the code, they've been asking for it for 12 years. At least in someone else's hands the game might finally come out in some form. It's tough shit for the unemployed, but the gaming industry isn't really hurting with the economy so there should be jobs aplenty.
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We're all fucked. We got duped out of another PC Duke Nukem FPS game. That is all we really want. This is the only reason we even care. We don't want handheld games, or 2nd rate side scrollers titles. We don't care about contests to find the next duke.
We want a Duke FPS shooter. You could have sold us the 3 previous builds in these past 12 years and we would have all bought them.
again
We want to give you $49.99 for a FPS game featuring Duke Nukem.
fuck!
TAKE OUR MONEY !
GIVE US DUKE
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Soon eh? When it's done eh?
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