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  American Eat Shit And Die: A long, long time ago I can still remember how those bastards They shot u... : Majuju
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    That is a long song! : CrustaR
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      blame Don Maclean! : Majuju
      • A different Maclean was doing level work on the game, though... : RomSteady
• RIP, Duke Nukem! :[ : CrustaR
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  who wins the release date pool? : gmd
  • We all lose. : baron calamity
  • Anyone who said that t would never be released I assume lol. : Mad BH
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  how long will the official mourning period be? How many people have been affected and how much aid do we ... : scorpiusman
  • Take the average mourning of a game in development being canceled, and multiply it by 6, this is the mini... : one random winner
• 3D realms was still around a year ago? What changed?... Obama... It's all his fault. : baronzemo78
• reposting Sunlight streamed into the window of room 512 at the Edward Memorial Hospital. A figure lay wra : grandmasterlee
• I hope George still post here in the future even tho the company is gone. : grabbie
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  I'm actually more excited about the game now than I ever have been. Something will come out of this, whe... : CrustaR
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    Really? Without 3DR I don't give two shits what comes from it. I've seen what Duke looks like in third pa... : avatar_58
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      I wouldn't say that. Duke was cool because the character itself was cool. Take a piss, look at a mirror ... : handofthrawn
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        Except how many companies would see a Duke3D esque game as profitible? Instead we'd just get some lame li... : avatar_58
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          I think a number of first-rate studios would love to take a crack at DNF. Can you imagine what would h... : Lone Swordsman
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            That's exactly who I *don't* want to get it. While I loved Doom what has id done in the single player rea... : avatar_58
            • Agreed. Best bet might be Human Head given what they did with Rune and Prey and their past experience ... : dedgecko
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      I don't know. If 3dr was like 90% done with the game then we can expect to have most of the stuff intact... : CrustaR
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        90% of the work is done during the last 10% of the development. : Topaz
        • So that would mean if it was within a year of going gold, that's 1/13... 7.7% of development left. So of... : lolpatrol
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        Take Two had the publishing rights, nothing more. Ergo this would be a new game, not something created fr... : avatar_58
        • Then it would suck. :[ : CrustaR
  • HARD LUCK CLUB. : Omaha
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    That's kind of odd, I wouldn't really expect that it will be picked up by anyone. It's probably a dead pr... : nomaad
    • yeah...right : needlez
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      Duke has a strange currency that's long outlived the game that started it. He's a part of pop culture. : Lone Swordsman
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        I don't think that Duke has expanded much (if at all) beyond a relatively small niche of the population t... : action wombmate
        • ^^that is what I was trying to say, but you worded it better. : nomaad
  • it wont be the real DNF : feek
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  as much as it sucks for the devs that worked on the title they now have an ace in their pocket when worki : stgdz
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    This is actually FAR more accurate than you probably believe. : wieder
    • How is life after 3DR for you now? : Goblin au
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    dev monkey "OH wait, you worked on DNF, you haven't had a release in over a decade... let's discuss my id... : zebosausamite
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      ex 3DR employee "Yes we didn't release a game in over a decade because of idea's like this" : stgdz
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        dev monkey "You're talking? I'm pretty sure there are trash bins to be emptied." : zebosausamite
        • hahah : mnsnota
  • Who's going to hire someone that hasn't produced anything in over a decade? It's like those doctors in I... : skitzo
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  Is anyone really surprised? I mean 15 year development cycles cannot be profitable.... : raspu2n
  • Kind of. I'm not surprised that we aren't getting the game but I somehow figured the money they were gett... : baron calamity
• Fuck it. I'm still betting on Duke. Always bet on Duke. : ADSliv
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  Cancelling DNF is some magical cantrip that will actually make the game finish. : grandmasterlee
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    yeah, i think 3DR going under is the best sign about DNF in years. maybe somebody else will inherit the p... : dirge23
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      i dont know if 3dr can really have any reputation left after this. : NeoMoose
      • now, no way. but i think fear of tarnishing the 3DR and Duke brands is what kept any of DNF's iterations ... : dirge23
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      Just as long as it isn't Derek Smart : Toraz Chryx
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        Did you say Derek Smart? : rosewood
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          Shut. The fuck. UP. : Ajax
          • Oh please, DEREK SMART DEREK SMART DEREK SMART. He won't come in here. : carnivore
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  Holy shit. Shacknews is on the front page of Reddit! : ADSliv
  • The Shack is also the third result on a google search for 3drealms, even before wikipedia (the first two ... : mtgDoofy
• I really don't know what to think of it. I am bummed for the company and the game I wanted to play. : bombay
• I guess they shouldn't have funded the Max Payne movie. : skitzo
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  [fry] said it pretty well last night... screw them and riding on their reputation for 10 years, milking i... : dignan
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    I 100% have always felt Quake > Duke : zebosausamite
    • and I've always felt Quake sucked since I played Duke3D. Then again you know, I like fun SP over MP so th... : avatar_58
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    The original Duke was an amazing 2d action platformer. : one random winner
    • That was the last Duke I enjoyed. : zebosausamite
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      i was too busy playing that chick in a jungle one from Apogee, Jane? i forget the name : dignan
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        Jill of the Jungle : urban garlic
        • Oh, and it was Epic MegaGames, not Apogee : urban garlic
  • I think most would agree that their reputation, and their high standards to keep that reputation was prob... : liqker
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    "screw them" sounds pretty harsh. they didn't do anything to you. : tashtego
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      stringing customers along for more than a decade counts as doing something to us. : dirge23
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        your fault for giving a shit for this long. 3d realms has been irrelevant for nearly a decade. : mwasher
        • i personally have not been expecting a good DNF to ever see light of day for a very long time : dirge23
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        If that counts as doing something to you... wow. No one held a gun to your head : twifosp
        • well it's not like they raped my grandma or something, but stirring up hype for something you can't deliv... : dirge23
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        This sounds like the same kind of nonsense that was thrown all over the place here when Gamefly bought th... : Rauol Duke
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          totally different circumstance. : dirge23
          • Yeah that Shack is still here and the same only we have Alice being awesome in exchange for money now. It... : Rauol Duke
        • Let the kicking while down commence! : Dave-A
        • You are right it is a fucking video game which is why people acting like the world is ending is hilarious... : Evil Benius
        • Holy shit, I had no idea this happened. How long ago was that? : Dobbs
      • Not really man. That's a ridiculous notion. : virus
      • I know! You deserved that game! Your train of thought is pretty amazing. : devi| dog
      • they did nothing, they own you nothing, you did nothing to earn anything from them, all of this false sen... : two50six
      • How Entitled of you. : CRasterImage
    • yea probably bad choice of words there, not sure if fry said that exactly, but 'got what they deserve' wa... : dignan
  • And let's be honest, George B astroturfed vaporware in here for more than a decade. : MaJeStu
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    Duke was a lot more than strippers and pipebombs. : Lone Swordsman
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      what else did it add? : dignan
      • pig cops : Cihte
      • Tripmines, kicking, destructible environments and a better sense of humour, among other things. : Lone Swordsman
      • customizable sound events : j0nchan
  • Right, because bracket fry bracket is someone to abide by. : Fred Garvin
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  my thoughts and prayers go to dognose in these tough times. : bosst0ne
  • George should call him up personally and show him what was done of the game. : thebigbeefsandwich
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    He's fine! I wish people would stop mentioning his name...this is getting really old. : CrustaR
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      It's an old shack joke, which you participate in and reinforce... http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=... : zebosausamite
      • I didn't mean in terms of Duke Nukem, but I mean in terms of, "I hope he's okay." : CrustaR
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        And no, I won't link you to all the posts. : CrustaR
        • I hope you're ok. : zebosausamite
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        Quit being such an internet defender. it's a joke yes, so just let it be a joke. geez : carnivore
        • Stop doing what you're doing. : zebosausamite
    • IAWTP : freakynipples69
• It's about damn time. : GoodBoy
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  How did Dognose take it? : pun][sher
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    He's doing alright. Said to take all the worry/good thoughts for him and give them to the developers out ... : LoioshDwaggie
    • I still think we need to put him on a 24-hour hold and confiscate his shoelaces, belt and any loose cloth... : HojuSimpson
    • That's because he is a good guy (tm). : rosewood
• honestly, I never considered the possibility that 3dr would just shut down. I assumed they had a minimal ... : supersonic potato
• After initially being pissed, I got a good nights sleep, and I think I'm okay with this. It could have b... : supamart
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  Sure, the fate of DNF is pretty much fucked up right now, but the fact that so many developers are out of... : freakynipples69
  • Also, could DNF have really lived up to 13 years of hype? I'm sure it would have been a kick ass game, bu... : freakynipples69
  • Good luck to all the Devs out of work. I wonder if we will learn more. : pun][sher
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  people in the industry: will former employees at 3dr have a decent shot at getting hired somewhere else?... : hamachi
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    Never thought about this. Good point. : pun][sher
    • do they have demo reels or can they show code they worked? or how would a manager know they actually did... : hamachi
  • Honestly, without knowing EXACTLY why DNF was in development for 13 years, it's hard to say. I'd say the ... : freakynipples69
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    I think it's going to be a huge problem for them. The IP isn't released so they are going to have a hard... : twifosp
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      Like my post above, the majority of the team was working on a product. Working on the same game for 13 ye... : freakynipples69
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        I think it would say negative things about your determination and work speed if someone was there for 13y... : hamachi
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          I guess this is true. But I guess we'll never know why it did take so long. : freakynipples69
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            I like when other industries do post-mortems on things. either success of failures. and in this day and... : hamachi
            • I hope so. : freakynipples69
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              Yeah, but I expect to be from the online sites devoted to the PC Gaming scene or random blogs from impor : hatelull
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                oh I agree. but this one is pretty big and unusual enough that it might garner interest from a "real" jo... : hamachi
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                  Without people from 3DR talking, it would all be speculation and yellow journalism, yeah? : hatelull
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                    oh I agree. that's why most bloggers suck balls compared to actual journalists (not all of course). I'm watching that exact kind of lame back and forth right now in regards to the Oakland A's and them trying to get a new stadium. ugh. so painful.
                    
                    I'm sure there will be people who can and will talk in a few months to a year or so. most older gamers of my generation played and followed 3dr for a while, so it would be interesting to hear what actually happened.
                    
                    
                    I feel bad about all the workers. I've been in a few places where the door slammed shut without warning. good luck to all of them!

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                    oh I agree. that's why most bloggers suck balls compared to actual journalists (not all of course). I'm... : hamachi
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                  I'll bet money Wired is already working on it. Probably Clive Thompson. : Attica Blue
                  • I'll be all over a Wired article on the topic. : hatelull
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                    can we get our crack team of shack guys to follow up on that? I'm going to email that guy now ( I only r... : hamachi
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                      Here's his blog: http://www.collisiondetection.net/. Talks a lot about games. He's a regular contribut... : Attica Blue
                      • I emailed and got a response already! he doubts wired will go for it. at least to pay for all the tra... : hamachi
  • If they have been there for 13 years... they probably will have some sort of stigma attached to them. ... : MrLobo
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    The managers of this project should never work again! : raspu2n
    • they never worked before! : Cihte
    • more importantly they shouldn't be _managing_ : lordlobo
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    if they have a good portfolio then they'll have no problems. any artists or level designers or programme... : mikecyb
    • also I am going to guess that a lot of the people who were let go yesterday weren't at the company for DN... : mikecyb
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      Are they even allowed to show work that was never published? : skitzo
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        that's a good question, and I don't have an answer to it since I'm not an artist/animator/etc, but I thin... : mikecyb
        • this is not true, you would need permission to do so : Unleashed
  • I don't think it will be a problem for guys like Brian Hook to find another job elsewhere. : freshyk
  • What people don't realize was that 3dr had a high turnover rate. I knew people who worked there for a fe... : deathofrats
  • Even the worst people I have ever worked with manage to get 2 or 3 more chances in this industry, so anyo... : acheron
  • It will not be hard for them to get interviews just based off the fact they worked at 3DR and people are ... : Porkasaurus
  • Why would they have a problem? : two50six
  • From what I understand, employers in the game industry seek people who have something FINISHED to show of... : Orange Pylon
• Gone are the days of laying down laser mines at spawn points. *sniff* There was truly nothing like frag... : The_Archon
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  I'm actually happier this happened. There's no way Duke could have been good enough to warrant the dev c... : Bruzilla
  • No, it's pretty fucking gay to cock tease us for 12 years. : skitzo
  • See this point never makes any sense to me. Why would you hold a game to a higher standard based on it's... : liqker
• What about the Duke Nukem movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol : NukemFornever
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  3DR should give Dognose a private beta game of what they accomplished, even if unfinished. : kainen1
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    i wonder if they'd seriously consider releasing some form of the game to kinda please the fans. : Korban
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      I bet taketwo has some say on what does or doesnt get released since they own the property rights to duke... : chilln
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        the Duke Nukem IP is owned by 3DR, which still technically exists. T2 owns publishing rights to DNF. If... : mikecyb
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          What if it's, "leaked"..? Like when Doom 3 was leaked by ATI. Did Activision take any action? : Cihte
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            that was a leak of the E3 demo, not the actual game. this would be a significantly different kind of lea... : mikecyb
            • I think you're swell. : Cihte
    • probably not because whoever they sell the rights to wouldn't like that very much : Sparticuse
    • I doubt they have much to even release or they would have done this. : Porkasaurus
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  Publicity Stunt! : judge
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    Can you imagine? That would be fucking amazing. :) [not holding my breath] : PlanetPerfecto
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      doubtfull, less then a month to e3 and you have take2 saying they are cooked(publicly held company so the... : stgdz
      • I know. It would still have made a great publicity stunt though. Rest in pieces Duke! I want a new ... : PlanetPerfecto
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        Unless I missed something, the only statement Take Two made was that they retain the publishing rights. N... : Mmmmmoo
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          don't start, they are dead. A con like this would be huge, you have all the employees that have to pla... : stgdz
          • I've seen nothing like that. All I've seen is that 3drealms is "closed". Nothing about bankrupt. Nothin... : retardhumper
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            I'm just saying Take Two has not made any official statement on behalf of 3D Realms. : Mmmmmoo
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              T2 is only their publishing partner, I don't know what statement they could make for a company that they ... : mikecyb
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                Take Two : Biggest let down since Daikatana. : skitzo
                • dude, Daikatana was conceived, built, switched engines, scrapped, rebuilt and released during DNF's devel... : mikecyb
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                  Yeah I'm actually starting to get sick of this comment. (no offense to you, skitzo) : virus
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                    Take Two : Biggest let down since Daikatana. Retracted Take Two : Biggest let down since Fox canceling... : skitzo
                    • hahaha nice : virus
              • I think I worded that funny. I meant to say they don't speak for 3DR. : Mmmmmoo
    • No, that would be fucking retarted. : razlebol
• The situation sucks if true I feel for GeorgeB and the rest of them. Dognose.. Can Sleepy scan in those ... : AndyGoin
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  Valve should pickup what's left from the game :) : pun][sher
  • If they did, we wouldn't recognize it. : freakynipples69
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  It's just a game. : stump
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    We can't except this. If DNF is just a game then what does that say about or lives? : S1ing B1ade
    • or accept it. : S1ing B1ade
  • Shacknews is just a website. : pigvomit
  • it is a baby made of 0's and 1's. we watched it grow up to be 12 years old. but now the parents are dead ... : mindshot
  • Stump, you do realize you are posting on a gaming forum site, right? : deathofrats
  • ..... : Mad BH
  • actually, it's a development studio. : Nali4Freedom
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  There is a front page post for this actually. : Fred Garvin
  • You can wander to the front page if you want, but it's treacherous. : liqker
• I was hoping to wake up this morning and see a story about it all being some bad joke :( : sanchez
• called it : JINKY
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  So, what happens to the Duke IP now? : punchdog
  • It's hard to tell because 3DR never really talked about their financing situation. If it was purely mone... : liqker
  • I bought it for $3.50 and am going to give it to dognose for his birthday. : hirez
  • Dognose is finishing it up now. : stump
• I still stand by what I said last night: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=19854888 : virus
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  Also, http://gamingisstupid.com/2009/05/06/the-chair-story-revival/ : virus
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    Can this even be real? : K0LM
    • notice how story is in bold :) : liqker
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      please : boring gegtik
      • Pretty funny though. I love the part of them breaking of the legs of the chair. : K0LM
  • thats so wild : feek
  • oh give me a break. : hirez
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    He posted in the 3dr forums that it's fiction. : freshyk
    • thank god. : virus
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    can I get a TL;DR? : voodooraze
    • on second thought... I don't care. : voodooraze
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    Goddammit, virus : genjuro
    • Whats your problem now? Can't post a semi-relevant link? : virus
  • wow... speechless. : chilln
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  Is George B alive? I would have thought the owner of 3drealms, after 18 years of business would at least : deathofrats
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    I'm sure there are many legal issues preventing him from doing so. Besides, he has to be devastated ri... : freakynipples69
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      What kind of legal issues are there for a company that's going out of business?? : nukewinter
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        bankruptcy? : deathofrats
        • I DECLAR BANKRUPTCY! : j0nchan
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    Yeah, I wish he'd come around but I bet he has legal obligations to keep quiet for now. : virus
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      Not only that the dude lost some of his life's work this week, he can't exactly be very happy or social r... : Scotty22
      • on the other hand, no one comforts as well as the shack! Come here Georgie! Come here... : dfz0r
  • no tweets or posts since may 3rd : lordlobo
  • I'm sure the dude is in a fantastic state of mind right now and is greatly worried about the Shack commen... : acheron
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  Have you guys seen this? http://services.google.com/latitudevideo/view.html#n0dsgqdd5m0CME5z05s0 : retardhumper
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    What does this have to do with DNF???? : CrustaR
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      did you watch it to the end? : retardhumper
      • Whoa!! : CrustaR
      • What a bad prank. :[ : CrustaR
      • IM SO SAD NOW :( : ateam311
      • not cool. : freshyk
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    DNF ETHREE? : mwasher
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      E3!! : Majuju
      • oh, haha : mwasher
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    WAT : DrWaffles
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      http://services.google.com/latitudevideo/view.html#n0chbj5m0gnqrd5z05s0 : DrWaffles
      • I love the look on the one guy's face at the end. "This was such a waste of time :|" : focusdaily
  • haha DNF ETHREE : posito
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    Wait a minute, what is this? : melt_core
    • http://services.google.com/latitudevideo/ : mikecyb
    • a cruel joke. : voodooraze
  • Man I could not figure out what the second line said for the life of me : Begawkiness
  • What the fuck what the fuck what the fuck what the fuck : notd665
  • http://services.google.com/latitudevideo/view.html#n0lx-bnbj5m0Rtbj5z05s0 : voodooraze
  • Have you seen this one? http://services.google.com/latitudevideo/view.html#n0Bnbjr5m0H-Knud5z05s0 : razlebol
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  the front page comments are incredibly cruel and harsh it sucks that they closed down. we won't get t... : EvilDolemite
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    welcome to the internet : boring gegtik
    • I need those inflatable wading things : hamachi
  • i cant deal with that thread. I wrote up nearly a full page counter response about how ridiculous people... : smacknca
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    I doubt they had 50 people working on the game. : Porkasaurus
    • two years ago it was over 30 people developing, and i'd imagine they have an admin staff as well : EvilDolemite
  • it is to be expected http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model 1) Denial: 2) Anger: 3) Bar... : stgdz
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    I'm just sad we'll never get to play the game. : voodooraze
    • perhaps take2 will find someone to finish it off : EvilDolemite
  • I went by the quartertothree forum and it's far far worse there. : freshyk
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  ok here some info from the golem forums (which is despite the site itself being informative is the anus o... : Hoax
  • so in theory, if 3DR could find a new investor/publishing deal they could buy back the rights and continu... : smacknca
  • Thanks for that TL;DR. I saw it poorly translated through google in the news article comments. : focusdaily
  • whoa. that's just astounding if true. : hirez
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    So if 3DR can find $35M, we may still see the game. : Omaha
    • I'll contact my mortgage guy! : Omaha
    • Sounds like it's time for a bailout! : delataur
    • Seriously... I hear it's best to invest for the long-run, what an opportunity! : vitaminzach
    • Someone call Obama, stat! : Spoetzl
    • Gawd, that's a lot of dough! : CrustaR
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      If all shackers kick in $50 how much would we have? : orgcaptainnemo
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        $150 : Maarten Goldstein
        • I bet they could save 3DR with a tshirt fund raiser. : Rauol Duke
        • I was going to say $50 but Maarten has always been more of the visionary. : bashildy@speakeasy.net
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        if you check the flowchart from last WE and the prior years you'll see that we would only end with 45$ an... : r3dn3ck
        • flowchart? more like pie graph :[ : r3dn3ck
        • count me in : kainen1
      • I dunno, do we have 700,000 shackers willing to donate $50? I could see a gamer wide call to save 3dr ac... : one random winner
      • since we cant even count on shackers to send their WE's, probably $0. : hirez
    • that sounds like at least another 3 engine overhauls! GET ER DUN!!!!!!! : Downforce
    • They should take donations from gamers. I know I'd donate some. : pun][sher
    • lets all preorder :P : boomstickah
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      No, they will fucking burn through for another decade without producing shit. : skitzo
      • but i like rewarding bad business decisions. : Turd Ferguson
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    why would you wait till the last week or so before looking for funding? : feek
    • apparently it was unexpected and george did visit them on jan 26th according to his twitter http://twitt... : Hoax
  • Dognose will get a credit card with an infinite limit, charge the whole thing to the card and save the ga... : pigvomit
  • I wouldn't be surprised if its a half truth. As much as I like George they need to get some suits in the... : handofthrawn
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    http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=7653477 : haiku
    • haha : maulla
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      Quote of the decade: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=7653534#itemanchor_7653534 : MrLobo
      • that whole thread is gold. : Hoax
      • LOL. That thread is awesome : Mrc32
      • Fucking shit. These two posts are gold. : Godhatesfatpeople
    • oooff : Rauol Duke
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      the inf'd GeorgeB post halfway down is lol : eeeealmo
      • oh man : delataur
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        So either we're absolutely stupid and clueless, or we believe in what we are working on. In the end, you : pigvomit
        • Someone needs to assemble a quote list regarding this project and pin it to a timeline. : Porkasaurus
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      3drealms had no money so they asked the publisher for a handout, going away from the self financing descr... : Hoax
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        Pharaoh Khufu would find that quite acceptable. : haiku
        • thats because they used a hook to claw out his brain from his nose. : Hoax
        • It is unclear if DNF would stand the test of time and become a wonder of the world. : pigvomit
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          Hey haiku, you're rich. Why don't you bankroll 3DR? : rock elf
          • i don't think they will accept rapedollars : Hoax
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        since that time the economy has gone to shit, most peoples investments went under water. they are probab... : smacknca
        • Who would've thought bernie madoff would be the one to defeat duke nukem? : marku5
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      Hopefully he is right and can find a publisher that will give them enough money. But the publisher might ... : thrallie200
      • Oh God no the last thing we need is a Duke Nukem Free-ever where NPCs get stuck in walls and the sound ef... : Omaha
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        No publisher is going to want to pay 30 million dollars for Duke Nukem. There would be very little retur... : deathofrats
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          I didn't know they needed 30 million. Fuck it, they should just put it up for download the way it is. : thrallie200
          • that's not true. the RUMOR is that Take2 offered to sell back the publishing rights for 30m when 3DR came... : grifter
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  I have trouble believing that any company that has been around for that length of time can go from busine... : Darky_06
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    we have no idea if it was sudden, and there is considerable reason to believe it wasn't sudden, they just... : electroly
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      Siegler's post also reflects the unexpected nature of the situation, as he was unaware of the impending s : vitaminzach
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        why would the webmaster of all people know anything about it? that shouldn't be surprising. if you are ... : electroly
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          If you believe the plethora of rumors and "reliable sources", it came as a surprise to everyone working o... : vitaminzach
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            speaking from experience people working at any company (games or otherwise) know very very little about a... : mikecyb
            • Indeed, and even if you are privy or high enough up in my experience folks become self delusional until t... : bombay
    • We would have heard about them laying off staff like all the other major studios that went belly up durin... : Darky_06
  • Why is that hard to believe? GM has been around longer. : two50six
  • George was contacted by a Nigerian Prince. : DarkWolf5
• it feels so weird to see other articles on the front page above the 3DR story : MikkleThePickle
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  They only had 71 more tasks to go. :( : pigvomit
  • on that milestone. who knows how many more there were. : grifter
  • I wonder if that is why all of the sudden he was talking about that shit on twitter: he was trying to fin... : rosewood
  • That's about 71 more months for them. : razlebol
• Anyone else notice that it's very smoggy in Austin today? Fallout from the 3DR HQ in Dallas exploding ... : slax0r
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  Can expect some real dish on the inner workings of what was going on? Does the end of 3DRealms negate an... : Xin Jing Client 1a
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    Even if the end of the company meant no chance of legal recourse you'd still be hard pressed to find an i... : liqker
    • Or stabbed with a broken chair leg, amirite? : r_picmip 5
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      How hard can it be to leak some general details anonymously? : marku5
      • It will happen. : Mrc32
      • not very : thebigbeefsandwich
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  My big question: 1. Brussard mentioned several times that the normal development rules for DNF didn't ... : Xin Jing Client 1a
  • They were confident they'd get the money from Take 2, but apparently these guys grew tired of their insol... : melt_core
  • Many private companies run themselves into the ground with poor money management. We may never know since... : rosewood
  • I think the economy had something to do with this. Maybe they were paying development costs with dividend... : Porkasaurus
• I just remembered the first time I ever used the name Poor Yurik was in Duke3d coop mode :( : Poor Yurik
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  this whole situation kinda feels like how it did with the whole HL2 fiasco back in the day, and that game... : steve_o
  • Except Valve didn't go out of business. : Poor Yurik
  • the half-life 2 leak? this is nothing like that at all. hl2 just took a year longer than valve said it ... : mikecyb
  • there was no fiasco like this at all, a release date slipped a year, not 12 years plus the dev going out ... : DogDharma
  • i said it feels the same, i.e. the shock and uncertain future of something. Im not comparing the two situ... : steve_o
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  you know the guy who did duke3d's engine was like 18 or 19 years old when he made it, and then 3drealms l... : Chandler55
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    the Build engine wasn't owned by 3DR though, was it? I know Ken released the source to it so I guess he ... : mikecyb
    • yea ken got licensing fees from all those games(redneck rampage, shadow warrior etc) so it was his engine... : Chandler55
  • I thought he quit 3DRealms so that he could go to college. : Serpico74
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    the rest of the quote is hilarious: St. John: You've already left off 90% of them by naming Ken Silver... : Hoax
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      lol prey is mentioned, jesus, that interview is like 9 years before it got released : Chandler55
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        with Prey and TF2 are out, DNF was the last one left :( : mikecyb
        • oh and STALKER too, that was delayed a bunch wasn't it? : mikecyb
        • this is honestly one of the biggest reasons I was convinced DNF was coming out. if both Prey and TF2 cam : electroly
      • that was the first incarnation of Prey though, which was shelved, and then they didnt do anything for abo... : hirez
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      because they're doing a lot of things well, but you're just never as big when you're second in line Funn... : Cygnus X-1
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        If we're only talking about games, not engines, then Epic really got big with Gears, which is the first t... : thecray
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          The first Unreal would like to have a word with you, along with Unreal Tournament. : ArcKnight
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            Compared to Quake? You're joking right? : r_picmip 5
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              i think he was saying epic got big with unreal not gears : Chandler55
              • well at the time of the interview unreal had been delayed quite a bit and was self promoted as quake kill... : Hoax
              • Oh, whoops. : r_picmip 5
        • Yup, he was right on. The moment Epic stopped trying to be id with their games is when they started makin... : Serpico74
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  I bought duke3d for the 360 to play tonight for the memories :[ : ghost in my shell
  • I had chinese food last night for the memories! : The Key
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  Please release all version of Duke Nukem Forever for free now. I want to play the Quake 2 and Unreal vers... : razlebol
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    You're assuming there are "versions" for each. There may just be a bunch of half finished assets, and par... : Toth21
    • Well probably :( : razlebol
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  You have to admit, the most recent trailer released, a lot of people laughed at it rather than with it. ... : abrasion
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    Christmas 2007 i believe, and I agree. : nina myers is a goddamned american hero
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      Holy fuck, *I'm* getting shit for my user name? : underground banana plantation
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        fake account take a look at the nws profile and the registration date. : Hoax
        • wtf, who is nina myers, is thast her with the penis in the profile? : abrasion
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      I don't agree with your username. : socksta
      • Neither did I the first time I saw it, but would Jack have needed a hacksaw in season 2 if it wasn't for ... : sigpro
• dnf is gonna 0wn e3. : jayares
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  dognose should update his blog http://dognose.livejournal.com/ : fsck
  • It'd be awesome if he posted his first entry again. It'd be like a complete circle. : The Key
• Duke Nukem Forever is out already, nerds just don't realize it. The game is very simple: you wait for the... : Enigme