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  Regardless of how it happens, Personal Finance should absolutely be a required senior-year class in high ... : DinK
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    Do a majority of people make it to Senior year? I figured Junior year was when most people give a damn. : kanix
    • Make it to senior year how? Of course they do. I do not think the majority of people either drop out or... : DinK
• YES!!!!!! x100,000,000 or however many votes you need to make Financial education in at least highschool ... : one random winner
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  I agree with this. I know my ex was taught personal finance in her private school and I wish I would've h... : vov1n
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    What do you do that made you hate math so much? : ieGod
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      For me, it was a god-awful more righteous than thou teacher. I loved math before then too :(. Could've ... : one random winner
      • Yeah my geometry teacher was horrible so by then I hated math I did well in both algebra classes and I ju... : vov1n
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  At my high school, you needed only 2 semesters of math to graduate. The same as the amount of gym class y... : NexusOne
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    Sorta until you remember that child obesity is huge right now. I think healthy living should be taught j... : kanix
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      It should really be taught at home. You can teach the kid all you want and feed them that processed crap ... : eldiablo01
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        2 of 3 meals at home? wrong. over half the school at breakfast at school because there was none at hom... : NexusOne
        • I always ate breakfast at home so that is my person experience. I would say that maybe 30% of my school a... : eldiablo01
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      2 years? nope, 2 semesters. 1 year of gym and 1 year of math. Pathetic. : NexusOne
      • oh wow didn't notice that. What state you go to HS? : kanix
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    my high school required gym every year! they also made us do things like go on 5km runs and it was manda... : jenisthebest
    • yup i had PE every year too... didn't need to do a sport, but I did Swimming for 3 out of 4 years. : Shadowdane
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  I agree. I took 3 years of Agriculture and 1 year of Home Ec in high school, and not a single semester of... : MagicWishMonkey
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    but now you can just grow money trees : kanix
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      hahaha, that class was a complete waste of time. I remember one day the teacher pulled a full intact ... : MagicWishMonkey
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        While that does seem like overkill in terms of learning about the rural lifestyle, when my sister and I w... : mysled
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          hahah, that's funny. I grew up in East Texas and I'm pretty sure all of the kids in the class knew everyt... : MagicWishMonkey
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            I wish I had home ec. and wood shop, I would be so pro! : mysled
            • we didn't do any wood shop stuff, only cow and chicken related studies. It was pretty boring. Home ec ... : MagicWishMonkey
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        It just to show you where and how to insert when you bored with your hand. : soapland
        • It wigged me out when he pulled it out of the closet.. it had fur on it and everything, it was pretty str... : MagicWishMonkey
• I only took two years of math in HS (CA). : pgharavi
• Agreed. Especially since most people will just end up taking the same math they took in high school ag... : Vincent Grayson
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  God no. Personal Finance should probably be a required course, but it shouldn't replace math -- they're c... : walker270
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    Maybe so, but the 97% of the population that doesn't use math beyond Elementary/Middle School would benef... : one random winner
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      I hate this argument. Math is not just arithmetic rules and derivatives -- it's problem solving in its... : walker270
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        Just because they don't use it, doesn't mean they didn't go through the course. "Learning" the math obvi... : one random winner
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          It depends on the manner of instruction. Personal finance might involve a series of regurgitated rote tec... : ieGod
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            If the regurgitated rote techniques work, then at least we can disolve a lot of the personal debt the US ... : one random winner
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              The problem with rote is that it's only as good as your next test. After that you forget about it. : ieGod
              • I guess, it's still better than nothing, hell, make Rich Dad, Poor Dad mandatory highschool lit and you'd... : one random winner
      • The solution to this is to offer a logic class, IMO. The logic class I took last semester in college (... : Vincent Grayson
      • I disagree with this. Problem solving is taught, in small part, by math, but the largest problem solving ... : Modica Sol Solis
      • Well said! This is why math scores are so important for many CS programs, even if you're not doing lapla... : factor27
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        I don't see how you can argue against his proposal by arguing for something that you admit has failed in ... : SenorSpine
        • Also, I don't think math is taught in this manner, it's not taught as a way to learn logical progression,... : one random winner
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          I don't believe math is taught correctly in US schools until calculus. The bulk of math should be wo : walker270
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            Eh, I think you confuse mathmatics with logical progression, but the goal is the same. : one random winner
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              No, but thinking that leads me to believe you stopped taking math pretty early on. : walker270
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                I'll admit, I stopped after pre-calc, and I do understand where you're coming from, as they're very close... : one random winner
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                  Yeah, and this is why I said I don't believe math is taught correctly until calculus. Your statements on... : walker270
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                    I guess what I'm trying to say is you don't need Calculus to learn logical progression and basic problem ... : one random winner
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                      I never said you did. I directly responded to the point of math being useless for 97% of the populatio : walker270
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                        I said math "beyond a certain point" was useless for 97% of the population in large part because there's ... : one random winner
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                          How do you go about teaching those skills? How do you teach people to think critically? How exactly d : walker270
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                            So your backpeddling and saying that, no, as a matter of fact, math is the only way to learn how to think... : one random winner
                            • Yeah, I'm backpeddling my statement of "math is not the only way to learn how to think logically" by not ... : walker270
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                    Well math is weighed down by a host of extra shit. The language and symbols used to express math is often... : SenorSpine
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                      Everything in mathematics can be derived with just a pad of paper and a pencil with absolutely no knowled... : walker270
                      • Well that's part of the problem, it can tend to be extremely abstract. That appeals to a certain kind of ... : SenorSpine
          • i think most people think of that as the distinction between math and arithmetic. : wetard
      • how much evidence is there for skill transfer? Does math really teach you skills for general problem sol... : DonkeyPopsicle
• When a mandatory personal finance class was brought up for USD 259 it was poo-poo'd because the students ... : rosewood
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  ack. i don't know what the norm is, but at our HS i had geometry freshman year, trig sophomore. i didn... : xsoulbrothax
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    G.E.D. at 16 and the next year at a community college FTW. : one random winner
    • I would have been so much happier in college if I had taken my first two years at a community college. I ... : mysled
• I wouldn't disagree with a school that implemented that kind of policy. Certainly geometry is important, ... : Lexicon_Leidun
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  i don't know...would depend on the syllabus, a lot of finance that is taught even in advanced courses is ... : vikramwillrock
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    i think statistics/probablity would make a for a more effective subject that enables someone to lead thei... : vikramwillrock
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      I loved my stat course but I don't think most people would benefit from it that much in their daily lives... : MagicWishMonkey
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        thinking about it more, i think children ahould be allowed to choose whatever they want to study... : vikramwillrock
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          I don't , I wouldn't have studied anything other than history and public school history classes are a fuc... : MagicWishMonkey
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            Yeah I really wish I had more/better math classes in High School. Problem remains the teachers and the e... : trove
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              I was really good at math until Algebra 2... my teacher was a smoking hot blond woman with big tits. I di... : MagicWishMonkey
              • Also, I seriously don't think hot women should be allowed to teach math classes for this reason. Math is ... : MagicWishMonkey
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                I had a similar issue in Algebra I. Sad thing is I failed that class, but made it up in like 5 weeks dur... : trove
                • Yea, high school (and most of junior high) was a complete waste of time... elementary school was great th... : MagicWishMonkey
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            no, not in that sense. i mean, the entire system would be controlled with the children. the syllabus, the... : vikramwillrock
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              Yeah, that sounds like a great idea... except not. How many children have you been around? : walker270
              • it might not work on every single child but i am sure it would be great for a lot of them. i mean, look a... : vikramwillrock
            • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montessori_method : Arctic Fox
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            The US really needs to re-engineer the whole public school system. Elementary school would remain relati... : one random winner
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              Won't happen. Too many special interests like the system the way it is. The only way to change the syst... : trove
              • I know that, unfortunately, this isn't going to happen in my life time, but if the ball could start rolli... : one random winner
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                It could happen. No reason it couldn't. There's a ton of concern brewing in the field of education about ... : Modica Sol Solis
                • Yeah and alot of this concern translates to further federalizing of the education bureaucracy. Which is ... : trove
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  I think it should be taught in school (not as a math replacement but as its own course), but are the teac... : jenisthebest
  • they would follow the same qualifications to teach any course. I am pretty sure teachers have to focus o... : kanix
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  if you were to recommend personal finance as a math course proper as a substitution for geometry i think ... : wetard
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    I think geometry still is useful no matter what sort of career/life you choose however Trig and above is ... : kanix
    • i dunno, i've kinda melded a lot of geometry and trig curriculum together, i don't think it helped that i... : wetard
• Next we should be teaching common sense : MoreVespeneGas
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  Geometry, algebra I/II, statistics, trigonometry, pre-calculus and calculus should all be required. Even... : Ride-My-Rocket
  • Why not teach pre-med to all students? I think if they wish to explore these fields great, it's not like... : kanix
  • You and I should never work in the same school system ever, and I don't even work in education. : one random winner
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    In my school system it worked like this: If you took Pre-Algebra in 7th grade (you were placed in this... : riptyde
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      yep, i got fucked over in 7th grade and put into a shitty math class and now i'm about to graduate high s... : DrFlammable
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        It won't necessarily hurt you in the end. Since AB Calc is not an AP course, you'll still likely have to... : riptyde
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          okay good. i think i have to take a lot of maths for a CS major : DrFlammable
          • yep, lots of stats : wetard
          • Oh good lord yes. Calc 1, Calc 2, mv calc, diff eq, etc, etc. Probably at least 8 courses. A CS major ... : riptyde
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            Yeah, Calculus II was a requirement for my CS major. Fortunately, I'd already received AP credit towards... : Ride-My-Rocket
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              Calc 2 was WAY harder than Calc 3 at my school, Calc 4 (we called it scientific computing) was impossibly... : MagicWishMonkey
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                (we called it scientific computing advanced calculus for engineers) : MagicWishMonkey
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                  I dunno what our college maxed out at, in terms of Calculus. Triple-integration was more than my feeble ... : Ride-My-Rocket
                  • Yea, triple integration is about where my brain stopped working, I had to rely on my friends to brute-for... : MagicWishMonkey
          • I took BC calc in HS and only had to take 4 math classes for a CS degree (2 calcs, discrete math, and dif... : derelict515
  • I mean this in the nicest possible way. Take your idea and shove it up your ass, sir. I hate math, I'm ... : action wombmate
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    This is a great plan if you want to decrease the number of high school graduates. : SenorSpine
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      If they want to work at Walmart their entire lives because they don't want to challenge themselves, let t... : Ride-My-Rocket
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        There's a difference between "not wanting to challenge yourself" and "being forced to take multiple class... : action wombmate
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          "little to no aptitude" or "little to no desire to put in the time and effort required to understand the ... : Ride-My-Rocket
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            I suppose that would depend on the individual, but do you not understand that different people have diffe... : action wombmate
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              It's easy to say that kids lack aptitude, especially when they're young. And there's no way kids should ... : Ride-My-Rocket
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                I don't disagree, I just think the amount of math you mandated in your original post is taking it too far : action wombmate
                • You keep thinking of Calc as "too far" when it's actually "just far enough" to really understand what mat... : Ebu
  • Actually statistics would be a GREAT mandatory class. Make it a basic "statistics, research, and the sci... : DinK
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  I honestly don't see much value in teaching math in schools over Economics, Geography, Comparative Religi : Modica Sol Solis
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    I agree with you to a point, I just put the limit as geometry for all students. I assume you are happy w... : kanix
    • I don't know, basic algebra seems sufficient for most people not pursuing a directly math-oriented field. : Modica Sol Solis
  • Post of the thread right here. : hawkeye
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    You need to understand math to a high school level to be a functional member of society. If not, you're ... : ra1n
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      In what situations? I don't need to understand math to interact with people in my classes, in my city. I ... : Modica Sol Solis
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        Philosophy would still need a logical progression course on top of that, if not beforehand. : one random winner
        • I think in a high school setting, the two could be integrated. Or logic should be a whole area of classes... : Modica Sol Solis
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          no math class I've ever seen has taught truth tables, the predicate calculus, and informal fallacies. : DonkeyPopsicle
          • Modica's post above you says pretty much what I was trying to say, I'm not saying Philosophy shouldn't be... : one random winner
      • *facepalm* : Ride-My-Rocket
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    I disagree. I think kids in high school need to take at least Algebra and Geometry.. those are things th... : riptyde
    • Oh yeah, and shop class. Everyone should know how to use a hammer. I always got strange looks for being... : riptyde
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      I honestly don't think most people use more than basic arithmetic on an average day, so I can't get behin... : Modica Sol Solis
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        True, but I definitely see a use in basic algebra at least teaching the concepts and showing people a few... : hawkeye
        • The problem is most people don't see it that way. Could be it's a problem with the teaching, but I think ... : Modica Sol Solis
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        You don't see a necessity for knowing geometry? : riptyde
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          Also, algebra is one of those things that we use every day, but don't consciously think "hey, I'm using a... : riptyde
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            See, that's just basic arithmetic in my book. Simple multiplication. : Modica Sol Solis
            • Arithmetic is involved in the operation but the scope is broader, it's certainly algebra. You have to und... : ieGod
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          No, I don't. I don't use it every day, unless I'm mistaken. Give me examples of how you use it, why you t... : Modica Sol Solis
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            I use calculus every day. U + ME = US : riptyde
            • rofl i remember that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2ge%2Bher : FrayLo
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            Figuring out if your furniture can fit through your doorway! : gigaduck
            • Modica uses the "try and see if it fits. If it does not, then push harder" technique : riptyde
            • I don't use geometry to know how long an object is and how long my door is. All I need are my eyes for th... : Modica Sol Solis
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        People don't need geography on an average day either. Nor philosphy. Nor History. It's not about teach... : uncleanmonkey
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          I don't understand how a person could not use geography on a given day, assuming they talk to people. Som... : Modica Sol Solis
          • fucking math is bringing down america's children : FrayLo
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            To me this sounds like you are trying to take your personal preferences and make that the norm for all st... : riptyde
            • Haha, I'm not stuck here in Iowa. In-state tuition is hard to pass up. It's possible I'm projecting, but ... : Modica Sol Solis
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            But History isn't the foundational basis for many jobs, neither is Geography. Mathematics is the foundati... : uncleanmonkey
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              I can't get behind this idea, because for most people that's not what math is. For most people math is a ... : Modica Sol Solis
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                And history is just memorizing dates and old bearded men. Who needs it? I get it, you didn't like math... : uncleanmonkey
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                  Good lord, I don't dislike math. I like math. I still work through problems in my roommate's engineering ... : Modica Sol Solis
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                    Maths is the only form of truth that exists. It's the foundation of literally any principled analysis of ... : uncleanmonkey
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                      What is truth? : dirge23
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                        Study maths and you'll know. : uncleanmonkey
                        • Was that Jesus's reply? : dirge23
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                      If that's how you feel, there's no way we can ever see eye to eye. I don't believe in the importance of t... : Modica Sol Solis
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                        Honestly, that sounds like pseudo-philosophical bullshit to me. Sorry, I'm not a freshman college chick, ... : uncleanmonkey
                        • It is philosophy. It is writing. That's what I do and am, can't really change the way I think. I was just... : Modica Sol Solis
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                But subjects like geography, history, etc, at least at the high school level, are all about a teacher giv... : riptyde
                • At last, something we agree about :P The whole system needs an overhaul, I'm just voicing my problems ... : Modica Sol Solis
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          Your last paragraph nails the prevailing attitude in these threads: I don't use it, therefore I shouldn' : walker270
          • Do they even teach cursive anymore? : riptyde
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            The point I, at least, am trying to make, is that there are things everyone should know, ie. well known, ... : one random winner
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              This is basically what I'm trying to say but worded better. That math is placed above the study of sub... : Modica Sol Solis
              • Improving one's life and self is all good, but you still need to have a job to pay the bills. : riptyde
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          what do you mean foundation to build a life? How much information taught in high-school is actually reta... : DonkeyPopsicle
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            Depends on what you do after high school. If you go off and work as a greeter at Wal-mart then maybe you ... : uncleanmonkey
            • Wiki says it best ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculus#Applications ): Calculus is used in every br : Ride-My-Rocket
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    this is such a modica post : electroly
    • filing this next to "we need a war so i'll have something to write about" : electroly
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  I think we should bring OR high school students should have the choice of entry level college courses. ... : goatjc
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    See my post here http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?story=58230#itemanchor_19719928 (if that didn't work, i... : one random winner
    • Didn't work, this one does though http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=19719295#itemanchor_19719295 : one random winner
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  The only real course is Math and then the only real degree is Engineering. : scorpiusman
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    if you had taken more English you'd understand what the word "real" means : dirge23
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      if you had taken more Math you'd be banging bitches and rolling in the cash : scorpiusman
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        yes, when i think of mathematicians i think "banging bitches" : dirge23
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          damn right, it's all about the money! : scorpiusman
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            i also don't think of money when i think of mathematicians, heh. i think of academics with hornrimmed gla... : dirge23
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              nope dirge, life is about Math and being an Engineer, you will get nowhere in life without those 2 things... : scorpiusman
              • shouldn't you be off engineering a woman? : dirge23
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              Having a strong math background (more so statistics) in addition to another high demand area (ex: compute... : walker270
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                walker, I was baiting the science nerds and then you backup my troll with this? Lol. Anyway, do you reall... : scorpiusman
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                  CS people with a strong math/stats background (more than what's considered "normal") who aren't intereste : walker270
                  • ok so basically we said the same thing : scorpiusman
            • You should think of money when you think of mathematicians. A lot of the fancy new financial products th... : riptyde
• high school should consist of two classes: how to pick up girls how to shotgun a beer : FrayLo
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  I think you should be required absolutely no less than four years of Math to graduate. Honestly, I think ... : Danny5225
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    Why do you find math to be so important? I'm mostly just gathering a variety of ideas on this throughout ... : Modica Sol Solis
    • You can't do anything much in physics if you don't know algebra and calculus... : gigaduck
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      How can you do Physics if you haven't taken at least Algebra? Physics is all about the equations. : riptyde
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        I didn't take anything away from physics because of the equations. What I learned and felt was important ... : Modica Sol Solis
        • well basically, those equations are short hand for the relationships between properties you understand ba... : wetard
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          The thing is, for every math class we remove, every science class we take the math out of or remove entir : riptyde
          • is your causal attribution warranted? Do more mandatory classes in public schools lead to more/fewer col... : DonkeyPopsicle
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            While in some instances I agree, we really need to be teaching our kids how to become better people. How... : one random winner
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              Exactly. You're going on about how important one specific aspect of education is, but not the whole total... : Modica Sol Solis
              • How exactly do you accomplish teaching ideas and logic without science and math? : walker270
              • I would think kids' inability to engage with one another has more to do with growing up in a world of ind... : riptyde
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              Yeah, and this self-esteem-first education system leads to a bunch of retards who think they're right all : walker270
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                Do you really believe any educational system is capable of making the vast majority of humankind anything... : dirge23
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                  Yes? Otherwise cultural differences wouldn't include intelligence or success. : walker270
                  • cultural differences = education system?! : DonkeyPopsicle
                  • Are you suggesting that our government-run school systems should actively engage in cultural engineering? : dirge23
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                Or how about we let them choose instead of mandating a certain path. And I've found that it's people w... : Modica Sol Solis
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                  I'm starting to believe you don't know just how little math and science is provided in our education syst... : walker270
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                    Well, Iowa has a fairly good education system, so my experiences are a bit different. For us, we were man... : Modica Sol Solis
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                      You just confirmed my belief. Pre-calc is literally nothing. That's, what? K-4 is memorizing tables,... : walker270
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                        This is true for virtually any subject vis-a-vis K-12. It's called elementary education for a reason. : dirge23
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                          ... which is a big part of the problem. The minimum required education for a person shouldn't be that ... : walker270
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                            The minimum required should be nothing, imo. People have a right to their own ignorance. : dirge23
                            • But the good of society has to come into play sometimes, even if it takes away personal freedom in the st... : riptyde
                      • Pre-calc was also functions, if that changes anything. And I took more math after high school; I was a Ge... : Modica Sol Solis
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                        Yea I never understood why Pre-Cal was called that, it has nothing at all to do with calculus. It's algeb... : MagicWishMonkey
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                          Pre-calc for us was definitely not algebra. It was more or less a one year class of calculus, with the fi... : Modica Sol Solis
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                            Ahh ok, maybe the program is different for different schools. We didn't touch actual calculus at my schoo... : MagicWishMonkey
                            • Same. Calc 1 and Calc 2 were two of a very few classes I've ever taken that I felt were worthwhile. : Ebu
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                          In my school, it was... it was an introduction to the various aspects of calculus, like derivatives and i... : riptyde
                          • Hah, pre-calc in my school was Algebra 2. With a touch of Trig. : Ebu
                • You have to be careful with that last statement. The world needs specialists. Yes we want them to be ro... : riptyde
        • That's really great and definitely important, but it's the level you're supposed to learn at in junior hi... : nurglich
    • Well if you want people to do physics you better have them doing math. : Arctic Fox
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      this post proves you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about : electroly
      • dammit, you beat me to it. HOW CAN YOU HAVE ANY PHYSICS IF YOU DON'T EAT YOUR MATH! : mmogger
    • I agree. Math is theoretical (and at times metatheoretical). This has its place, but mandatory education... : dirge23
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      Mathematics is a prerequisite for all the hard sciences. It's the language of science. : uncleanmonkey
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        not everybody should be a hard scientist. : dirge23
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          So that means nobody should be a hard scientist. They need to be given enough knowledge to know what ... : uncleanmonkey
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            Fair enough. Calculus was the subject that turned me off to hard sciences. : dirge23
            • Calculus made me appreciate math so more because it was difficult. It made me realize just how easy the : riptyde
          • ^^^This, fucking this. : Arctic Fox
          • Exactly. : Ride-My-Rocket
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            realize that you are proposing that everybody in the nation be given 13+ years of mathematical education ... : dirge23
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              Yes, I propose that everyone is given 13+ years of basic knowledge about a wide variety of things, so tha... : uncleanmonkey
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                I don't believe that involuntary education will ever have the desired effect you claim. : dirge23
                • I believe the rest of the world is proving you wrong at this very moment. : uncleanmonkey
              • And when it comes to kids and teenagers, "voluntary studies" means either they choose not to study much o... : riptyde
            • The problem is that 13+ years is so overly diluted and redundant it's borderline worthless. How quickl... : walker270
            • Why not? We give people 13+ years of English, and I never have to write a book report in real life. We ... : riptyde
            • No, I'm proposing that everybody in the nation be given 13 years of education in all manner of knowledge. : Ebu
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            I barely squeezed by Algebra in high school with a passing grade. I can't even begin to imagine the diff... : action wombmate
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              But here's the thing: Calculus is not "insane levels of...math" Calc is like Black Belt. Now you can t... : Ebu
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                Well, I was probably going somewhat on Ride-My-Rocket's post where he said "Geometry, algebra I/II, stati... : action wombmate
                • i hate math so godamn much, try taking physics without knowing calc, and they are talking about how all t... : Jackass1233
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                  But the thing is, you think you can't do it, but maybe you can. Sometimes subjects are hard as fuck for ... : riptyde
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                    Ok, so maybe I can do it just well enough to pass a class. Then what? Will I feel motivated to pursue i... : action wombmate
                    • Besides, if we're going to nitpick on what people "might" be good at if they "just stick with it", then t : action wombmate
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                This is pretty accurate. The "normal" progression for a undergrad math curriculum goes: Pre-calc -> c... : walker270
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                  That's all well and good, if you want to pursue it. : action wombmate
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                    So you should only have to read books in school if you intend to be a writer? You should only have to tak... : Ebu
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                      You're being ridiculous, I'm not saying that we stop all math in schools. All I'm saying is that I think... : action wombmate
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                        I'm not sure where you brought in the undergrad thing from, so that makes two of us. : Ebu
                        • And what we are saying is that contrary to what you think, and contrary to what public schools seem to ma : Ebu
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                lol hi analogy buddy! :D : riptyde
                • Hah, great minds and all that :D : Ebu
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                I'm not sure that's a good analogy. Isn't "Black Belt" beyond what most people will ever reach in a mart... : Arcanum
                • Only because it has been put into a category with Calculus. That it is something extraordinary, something... : Ebu
  • http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=19720117 : action wombmate
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    Didn't mean to cut and run after the post. But I had a fair amount of stuff I had to get done earlier, so : Danny5225
    • I'm agreeing with this post so hard. : Ebu
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  What the...American schools are weird. : Rice-Rocketeer
  • Not weird, fucked up in the head by a retard. : one random winner
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    Welcome to a country with 51 different K-12 educational systems. : riptyde
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      In Canada, education is provincially mandated, meaning that we have about 12 "different" systems. Neve... : Rice-Rocketeer
      • Majuju just schooled me (LOL, PUN). 13. Fucking Nunavut. : Rice-Rocketeer
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        You hosers don't even know what fucked up is. :D Follow the trials and tribulations of our education sys... : riptyde
        • And then the best we can come up with from a national standards standpoint is the No Child Left Behind ac... : riptyde
  • I don't believe this is actually being debated. : Kentor
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  Most HS math above Geometry is as big of a waste of time as Chemistry and other BS courses they make you ... : baronzemo78
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    if we only taught things that most people use on a daily basis, then i guess we should get rid of history... : FrayLo
    • Except in the deep south. They don't use english too often. : riptyde
  • Pretty much, in fact I think they should try and get it out of the way ASAP, and leave 10th through 12th ... : one random winner
  • Just because you don't "use it" by running experiments in a lab doesn't mean that understanding how the w... : s2jason
  • Are you actually arguing that the US education system needs LESS math and science? Maybe more people wil... : DinK
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    Another one who doesn't get it. It's not about teaching things that people will use, it's about teachi : uncleanmonkey
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      So if it's about broadening career paths, then why not mandate philosophy? Why not mandate debate, logic,... : Modica Sol Solis
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        You get a fair bit of logic by "osmosis" from learning any scientifi subject. Philosophy is rarely someth... : uncleanmonkey
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          I think you're so focused on "career paths" that you can't see what Modica is trying to say. I don't dis : action wombmate
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            Why can't those be electives though? There are far too many "other" stuff you could learn that would make... : uncleanmonkey
            • Because I think classifying it as an "elective" is detrimental to the overall social and intellectual dev... : action wombmate
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              You're still thinking in terms of career paths. I feel a good handle on philosophy is important to being ... : Modica Sol Solis
              • I think philosophy is a tough one, because the "listen & regurgitate" (which of course needs to change) s... : riptyde
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        The only subject you mention that even compares to math/science as far as career paths is economics, whic... : DinK
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          IMO, there's a giant problem with how we teach math in the US. Everything is taught to be excruciatingly... : walker270
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            I wonder if we could benefit from taking advantage of the fact that the world has calculators. I mean, i... : riptyde
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              Then there is the other factor that we spend September-May teaching kids stuff, and then from June-August... : riptyde
              • Yea, summer off is a horrible thing. : Ebu
      • logic is a required subject in many liberal arts/college educations. I took 4 semesters of philosophy in... : FrayLo
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    You're thinking of basic education as a trade school instead of general education. Stop, please. : Ebu
    • ^^^^^^^^^ : FrayLo
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    Just the other day I was needing Avogadro constant to figure out something at work. : rosewood
    • Were you making guacamole? : riptyde
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  Americans, please educate me in what your mathematics curriculum looks like. : Kentor
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    For me there were two main possibilities, one for people that liked/were good at math and one for people ... : magistersmax
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      The other end of the spectrum was typically a year behind in coursework and didn't take AP classes. : magistersmax
      • And since you probably don't know, AP stands for advanced placement. Essentially it denotes a course whe... : magistersmax
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      Is the AP track something in most systems in the States or something a bit special? There are similar pro... : Kentor
      • I wouldn't call them special, a bunch of school give AP courses, some just stress it more than others. L... : magistersmax
      • http://www.collegeboard.com/student/testing/ap/about.html : electroly
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        Most high schools have at least a small AP or IB (International Baccalaureate) program. In a really poor... : nurglich
        • We had a couple of ways that AP classes came up as an option. The first was as more advanced replaceme... : riptyde
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      heh, did your high school call every single non-AP class "Pre-AP?" : DinK
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        For some reason that's how they set it up. Usually there were two levels of courses: regular and advanc... : magistersmax
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          When all of your classes are set up that way and you have to live with it for 4 years, it all makes sense... : magistersmax
          • Yeah after posting I figured all the Pre-AP labels must just be shorthand for "the good classes" that'll ... : DinK
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    Kindergarden - 4th Grade : Memorizing arithmetic tables 5th - 6th Grade : Arithmetic operations on large... : walker270
    • That seems fairly similar to the Ontario curriculum, but I think trigonometry and tangents and functions ... : Kentor
    • Linear algebra was a bitch. I remember being in it for 4 days and thinking "wtf does this have to do wit... : riptyde
  • For me high school was algebra and geometry along with another course of whatever you wanted. : PointlesS76
  • <=7: basic math, I don't recall the specific class titles 8: Algebra I? Maybe? Something like that 9: G... : Ebu
• we had finance stuff being taught in required home ec classes. : papaskot
• School is only good to fuck underage girls : Utopia

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  can't believe you refuse TQ:IT. : Foxhawk
  • I haven't refused it, but I'm looking for other options. I'd like something a little less diablo. : brickmatt
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  is your shack library up to date? : Koral06
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    Pretty much. : brickmatt
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      Well I'm starting on dead space, so I'm bias on that one. Resident evil games, Indiana Jones legos, or if... : Koral06
      • Dead space was ok, but not multiplayer! : brickmatt
      • ...you can do that? : Korban
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  Action RPG? Multiplayer? Sacred 2? : lightly inclined
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    I never played the first, and the second looks freaky weird. : brickmatt
    • It's a pretty decent game, but it's just another Diablo clone with some quirky ideas. I like it well eno... : eugthinks
    • It's better than the first. Much better with several friends. : SigENeaT
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      The first was fun for a few hours in solo play, but it got old quick. Sacred 2 I hear is more of the same... : lightly inclined
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        REALLY AWESOME MOUNTS seriously Sacred 2 is a hell of a lot of fun with a lot of depth to character bu... : Majuju
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          That sounds fun. Repetitive? : brickmatt
          • All action/rpg's are repetitive. It's the nature of the genre. : Matt Burris
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    Sacred 2 has auto levelling monsters : ( : frib
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      only to a certain point, by zone : Lionel2b
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        what's worse is the respawn rate. "kill 50 monsters around cave, enter cave, exit cave, fight same 50 mob... : Lionel2b
        • Yeah, that and the auto-leveling made it a grueling grind (as grueling as a point and click game where th... : frib
      • Really? If that's true, I should have another go then. I stopped when I realised (that the monsters were ... : frib
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  I'd go so far as to say King's Bounty might fit the bill. Fun game, though I have to manually up the fan... : bipolar
  • It's basically a faster paced HOMM with more rpg elements. : bipolar
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  There's an ok hack and slash on marketplace but I can't recall the name right off. Otherwise Fate on t... : stonedonkey
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    Fate isn't multiplayer : bipolar
    • Neither is King's Bounty, come to think of it. : bipolar
  • Well fate isn't multiplayer, how about Dungeon Runners : stonedonkey
  • :(...... poor mythos never had its chance : Lionel2b
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  what about that marvel multiplayer rpg-ish game? : Mr.SEX
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    Do we know anyone who has played that? : brickmatt
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      me, I have, it owns, do you like comics and punching things? if so fuckin' buy it. : Majuju
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        no/i'm not sure : Mr.SEX
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          You're killing me here. : brickmatt
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            put it this way: you can play as Nick Fury (eventually) and when he attacks guys who have been knocked to... : Majuju
            • I do like how you could make themed teams in that game. I went with making the Hired Goons, with Hulk, N... : sevogajre
    • Yeah, I finished it with a couple friends. It's good fun, but not on the same level as Diablo and Dark A... : sevogajre
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  I wonder if there's a nice neat "this game has CO-OP" list maintained for browsing : Downforce
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    There should be. =( : brickmatt
    • big time :( I feel slighted - this summer could be co-op glory over those platforms you mentioned, but n... : Downforce
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  your post makes me miss Mythos : vynn
  • Good choice but I'd like more depth. : brickmatt
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  Fable 2? Not really action oriented but it's a great RPG. : freakynipples69
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    But not real multi. Also beat it and bored with it. : brickmatt
    • The online multi in Fable 2 is hilarious. It acts exactly like you're playing on the same system, even d... : DinK
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  Why don't you work your way back into a normal time zone and play Left4Dead with us Mister this is why I ... : Ajax
  • he's too busy surfing all the time : Mr.SEX
  • Don't I fucking wish. : brickmatt
• I did a lot of research on this recently and the best non hack and slash option right now on the PC seems... : at0micgarden
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  Any of the Myth series is a multiplayer blast. Definitely fun to play while drinking with friends. : zdiddy85
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    Sure, I've got Myth all installed. Great fun. : brickmatt
    • How about more old school? Homeworld 2, specially with the Complex mod. : zdiddy85
• that counter strike warcraft mod : HisKillSkill
• Killzone 2 : hankyJR
• COD4, it's got tons of action and you gain experience so I'll say it fits your requirements. Plus you ge... : Haku-Jin
• Dawn of War 2 : razlebol
• QuakeLive : ImageOmega
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  Guild Wars? There's a 14 day trial : Lionel2b
  • ^^^ THIS. Make sure you pick up Nightfall : Anir
• If you've ever dwelled the world of muds and taken any interest to them, you should try out BatMUD. It's ... : VisitorQ
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  small list incoming too human diablo 1 (always worth a revisit IMO) system shock 2 (if you manage to : razorblade79
  • oh my, please add castle crashers to that list : razorblade79
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  Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7ROTOoofJg&feature=related&hd=1 : Lob
  • Sadly I don't know if this will come stateside : Lob
  • that looks really cool actually.. : phokz
• Killzone 2 : mahmoodpoya
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  This thread is depressing. I need COOP for my wife and I. Why don't publishers understand this? : CapnChaos
  • try some bedroom games... much more fun when its YOUR joystick she's grasping... of course it usually im... : araczynski
• Titan Quest or Sacred 2. : wytefang
• Demigod. : acare84
• Demigod. : acare84
• The Outfit on 360 by Relic is a classic action, strategy game you have to try. The price is right and the... : oatmb

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  I feel bad. I couldn't beat the end Strider battle on the PC, but I could on the 360. : RomSteady
  • That would drive me mad, all the vertical aiming. : Omaha
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    i'm so glad i didn't have to do that while still transporting that stupid fucking garden gnome to get the... : qwpeoriu
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      You get the gnome achievement before the strider battle. : Chepito.
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        that's kinda the point of my post : qwpeoriu
        • No, before! : MuteMode
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  I want to play Episode 2...but I'm waiting for Episode 3 to come out before I play EP1 or EP2, actually. ... : sparkly
  • What if there's an Episode 4? : hatelull
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    So is there a tentative schedule for Ep 3, or is it "WID" at this point? : dognose
    • I have no idea :{ : sparkly
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      Only thing that I've seen is that it won't show up in 2009, I think that came from either Doug Lombardi o... : dedgecko
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        18 months since the release of Ep2 and still no information or screens from Ep3. :( : Scoots06
        • Uhm - there's been a couple concept art images released a year ago I believe. : dedgecko
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    Go play it, ya goof! There's more than enough content there to keep you happy. : Dave-A
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      And then play it again with commentary! : Sailor of Fortune
      • seriously do this i can't believe nobody's made a pleasure delayer joke yet : qwpeoriu
  • that's a terrible excuse go play them now !! : qwpeoriu
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    You really should play them. In fact both eps have more satisfying mini-endings that the crap cliffhanger... : Perturbation
    • Also it gives you a good excuse to replay the other parts when a new ep comes out. I've played through HL... : Perturbation
• I really enjoyed Ep2. I just wish the ant lion thing had not taken up a 1/3 of the installment. Have : hatelull
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  i cannot believe you haven't seen Tombstone, dognose : zerog83
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    I guess I will have to :/ : dognose
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      Dude, yes you will! Dognose, I really can't believe this about you. : Omaha
      • This is like being told that Duke Nukem sang in his school's chouir. : Omaha
    • rent it tonight. you have no choice in the matter! : zerog83
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    Why? how does that remotely seem like dognose's type of movie : Maarten Goldstein
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      True, nothing blows up. However, Val Kilmer as Doc Holliday makes it worth the price of admission. : hatelull
      • There is a random fire in the background when they walk to the OK corral. : SockMonkeh
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      I just assumed that dognose was a lover of all movies, good and bad, no matter the genre. : zerog83
      • He likes movies that doesn't suck. Under normal circumstances the movie is directly proportionate to th... : hatelull
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        shit either needs to blow up a lot, or people need to meet their demise in a gruesome way : Maarten Goldstein
        • but... it's Tombstone! It just seems like one of those movies that everyone needs to see unlike Die Hard. : zerog83
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        No I hate comedies and dramas : dognose
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          what about zoolander? that has an explosion and mila jovich. : Sailor of Fortune
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            Didn't see it :/ : dognose
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              I think you'll like it. =) In fact, I'm going to watch it tonight! : Sailor of Fortune
              • I hate Ben Stiller :/ : dognose
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  I love that game, the end sequence with the Striders was some of the most intense action gaming ever. Re... : Begawkiness
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    Especially if you're trying to keep all of the buildings up, it gets pretty intense. I loved that final b... : qwpeoriu
    • Yep, it's just the right balance of challenge vs fun. : Begawkiness
    • Those buildings were shoddy. I decided to say fuck it and let those poor bastards rebuild. : hatelull
• The ol' "next-day-breeze-through" syndrome is a curious conundrum. My theory is that you get stuck in a r... : Dave-A

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  I was testing out a PC and picked a random number for a static IP address, not realizing that it was the ... : zerog83
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    Gyagh! Test machines should always be on a seperate sub-net (if possible, if not, then they either don't... : one random winner
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      You should've seen the way the network was organized when I got here. At time time it wasn't even a remot... : zerog83
      • That's what the last IT guy said when he started =P : SigENeaT
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    And you're the reason Google doesnt' have it's 5 9's anymore. : tboomer2
    • Duh. Never mind. Wrong Zero. : tboomer2
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    ive done that once but it was the building's gateway. it was a .20 address oddly enough : dantastic
    • our main router is also .20 : zerog83
  • Ha, this reminds me, some lady (technical support manager) here shutdown her building because she assigne... : goatjc
• i used to work in a big software dev/test lab. we were moving and rearranging some (locking wheel) benche... : busdriver3030
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  Doing a SQL restore I accidentally blew away a weeks worth of work of an entire legal team in the middle ... : tboomer2
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    Fucking wow dude. Did they beat the shit out of and/or sue you? : dumb.
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      There was multiple points of failure (I just happened to be the catalyst) so all the blame wasn't put on ... : tboomer2
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        Gah I've done that with small databases and user email and peed myself with dread with I realized just wh... : dumb.
        • I was told I was paler than normal. More so when I realized our backup service wasn't active on the SQL ... : tboomer2
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  I printed porn to a laser printer when I was 17 and it didn't come out and it made me really paranoid : sparkly
  • "...it was at that point in young sparkly's life that he decided to become a pornographer." : scorpiusman
  • hahah, I'm always paranoid that something I'm reading or looking at is going to show up on a main printer... : hawkeye
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  Mixed blood samples for two different genetic tests I was extracting DNA from. Luckily I had made pretty... : arizona bay
  • I hate it when i mix my blood samples. : SigENeaT
• I cut the yellow wire once. : rosewood
• i damaged about $10k worth of product while unloading it with the forklift. my policy with the forklift (... : cpt_gloval
• I worked in the sales dept. for an ISP in college, we got a lot of prank calls. One time a dumbass kid ma... : MagicWishMonkey
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  One day after getting frustrated by a really bad bug I changed our products splash screen to reflect how ... : r3ckless
  • That was quite reckless of you; I'm glad you have learned from this mistake. : rosewood
  • That is absolutely amazing. : hawkeye
  • that's actually pretty hilarious : zerog83
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    hahah what did the splash screen say? : GloriousCow
    • I'm also wanting to know. : action wombmate
    • haha i want to know too : Mmmmmoo
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      I wish I could tell. It was a bit more than just a name. The name was linked to a movie intro as well (si... : r3ckless
      • Please be Pirates XXX : rosewood
  • Hahaha, brilliant. : Bamtan
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    Did you work for Ivara? : RogerDandy
    • Lvara ? No. : r3ckless
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  I've done the classic Ghost from a blank drive to a full drive back when I was a kid just starting out. : hawkeye
  • We had a guy that did that regularly. His nickname was "Master Blaster." : obiquatro
  • Haha, our student did that. He had to rebuild the OS from scratch. Luckily, we had a backup of the data... : CrustaR
• one of my exs was a pharmacist who interned at a hospital. we were drunk one night and she admitted she'd... : deadfish
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  We once had a conference call with a company we were partnering with for developing a product. After the... : asylumn
  • heh, probably for the best though! : nyranger66
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  taking down the network, and voip system of a suicide hotline site while there were several calls in prog... : .frame
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    This post isn't getting nearly enough love. : hawkeye
    • man, getting yelled at by the manager that there were people in the middle of calls didn't make it any ea... : .frame
• I deleted about 28 million in banking transactions on accident... it's really easy to do with the AS/400 ... : devi| dog
• Not me, but my buddy once deleted the root account from our POS server (ratex running on an AIX machine) : tashtego
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  i accidentally changed the payroll software such that when it rounded off people's paychecks, it deposite... : FrayLo
  • Didn't Initech burn to the ground? : royalally
  • I set the building on fire after my boss stole my stapler : skelom
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  This is a good thread; I'll end up serving tables soon so I'll have something to contribute. : thief
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    You might as well do grad school now! : D : devi| dog
    • I think the worst thing I've ever done at work is throwing a paper airplane while the cameras were live a : thief
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      Clearly, I shall pursue a real job. Shorting one of the biggest rallies of the dow -- back in november -... : thief
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        Yeah.. that was a bad time for me too :( : one random winner
        • It was a great lesson for me about how you can see a case for something going both up and down depending ... : thief
• dropped a few HDTVs while working @ UPS, didnt really care though : chodog
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  tar cf importantfile TarThatImOverwriting.tar : strandgeck
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    fuck tar's stupid syntax : hawkeye
    • it makes sense once you get used to it : Omaha
• I let an entire project go on for 2 years wasting at least 1.25million per year because I didn't speak up... : stgdz
• I deleted every record in our user table once. Thankfully it was the weekend and we had backups. : WhatIsThisFor
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  Not watching where I was going I got in the way of a driver backing up through the warehouse with a 2 by ... : Marauder IIC
  • holy shit : judge
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    Wow I would hate you forever. : soggybagel
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      He hates on someone alright, with the passion of a thousand novas, it's just not me. In his mind it's the... : Marauder IIC
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        Sounds like it IS the fault of the company, especially if areas weren't marked and it was their responsib... : DinK
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          I'll tell that to the part of me that still believes that if I wouldn't have been there it wouldn't have ... : Marauder IIC
          • That part of you is correct, in that it would not have happened without you, but that doesn't mean it is ... : DinK
      • Ok, with that additional info, I see his angle. : Ebu
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    holy crap. It's pretty bad causing $ damage, but human damage would be hard for me to live with : moshman
    • Yeah. It took a few months of him whacking me over the head and calling me a moron whenever I brought it ... : Marauder IIC
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  Rear-ended somebody on my third day as a delivery driver. Protip: don't try to read a map while driving i... : dirge23
  • Third day as a truck driver I clipped a fedex truck in a parking lot. =D : JT
• I took down the SBS test group at Microsoft for about a week when I was there. I was migrating the test ... : Ovate
• I accidentally removed the raid configuration on an Exchange server, trying to troubleshoot a degraded lo... : royalally
• A guy snatched a $7K gold chain from a store I was working at, and I had the bright idea of chasing him d... : Dave-A
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  I was once responsible for taking down this site. I think everyone who has worked on it has done it at on... : haiku
  • At least you didn't literally bring the site down...as in dropping it on the floor. : hawkeye
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  When I was 16 and doing work experience at a small law practice, I faxed a blank piece of paper to a law ... : ShekkyBoy
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    i dropped a pencil once at work. luckily i did not get fired : GloriousCow
    • But you have to live with the shame forever. : dumb.
  • ...that's your worst mistake? heh : dirge23
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  I crossed the streams. : Rehevkor
  • When somebody asked me if I was a god, I said no. : dirge23
• i fried a $5k digital I/O card because i forgot to limit the current coming in from a power supply : Enraged Pineapple
• printed the image 1/8" off from where it should have been on $3,000 worth of Polo Shirts. : ass-street
• kicked out a cable of ps2devkit TOOL while it was on. farewell behemoth. : threeup
• i was assembling a lot of barebone computers over the summer for my school and there were 2 boxes of hard... : DrFlammable
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  A coworker printed some literature from an educational NWS website (www.sexyboys.com) around 10:00 PM at ... : o0JediBeavis0o
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    At my old job I got accused of hacking (and it was a bank so it was a serious thing) because I was lookin... : DOOManiac
    • The best part is the IT guys not catching it. It's like a mechanic rebuilding an engine because a car is... : DinK
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  i mixed up address labels for two shipments and sent a bag of poo to my CEO instead of a fan who pissed ... : dahanese
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    I'd like to sign up for this mailing list : zakk
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      everything is made fresh to order! : mikecyb
      • dude. too much. : dahanese
      • dude. poo much? : lolpatrol
      • can i get a pound of hangover shipped to my neighbor? : deadfish
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    Wow, so you ship out copies of MLB 2k9 to people you hate. Thats harsh. : Beady
    • Hey.. at least they made it for PC... =( : Pacalon
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  Dropped a tray of food while I was a waiter at a fancy lad restaurant. I felt awful and the shit was all... : ADSliv
  • Poo tapas? : GloriousCow
• There's a similar thread over at ArsTechnica. Some of them are pretty epic: http://episteme.arstechnica.... : hawkeye
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  $20,000 phone bill because I accidentally set the ISDN to dial a local toll number for a month, on both l... : electroly
  • nice. : anhero
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  I entered "debug all" on a router handling 5000 WISP users. You Cisco folks will know what I'm talking a... : jasonepowell
  • little too much load there? : anhero
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    lol nice. The worst debug I've done was debug ip packet detail without an acl filter. I had to type und... : .frame
    • reminds me of trying to stop a spewing VxWorks terminal : Omaha
• I deployed an app without fully testing it. Next day, all the machines came up German. : Waffles!
• $3000 cell phone bill from taking my blackberry to Italy / Croatia with me. : virus
• Not really my mistake, but pretty funny none-the-less. I was consulting for a company that was sub-contra... : BlackCat9
• I installed a back door in a cute co-workers PC and used it to send her funny little fake error messages ... : acidnynex
• While interning for a game design company in the city I was sent to go photocopy party invitations and af... : mysled
• I fried three iLO cards by plugging them into fan power connectors (why would Compaq have a power port an : obiquatro
• Surprisingly nothing too serious. It seems like everyone we hire ends up deleting a table or something l... : Freon
• Many years ago, I was debugging a web form that was supposed to send an email to the customer. I typed i... : SLUDGE^
• I let someone in the office know I was into computers. And then spent the next 5 years sorting out proble... : Beady
• mislabeled some documents so they went in the wrong file on a multimillion dollar IP case, the file would... : moshman
• I was messing with a co-worker on net send back in the day and screwed up the command line and accidental... : Simulacrum
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  I accidentally the shelving units... it was bad. http://www.break.com/usercontent/2009/4/My-Last-day-a... : chilln
  • Was that really you? : Simulacrum
  • Related: Wicked Hot Bikini Babe? : judge
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  what product did your wife destroy and how'd she do it? : edgewise
  • Heroin. She cut it with powdered sugar. : Githyanki
  • Seriously, more million dollar story plz. : DinK
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    10,000 cubic Meters of crude flowing down a pipeline into a tank that held a different quality level of c... : The Key
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      I assume she lost her job? : Ellissd
      • You would think....[but apparently people have done much much worse there....] : The Key
      • A million dollars in the oil industry is chump change : fishbone
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  When I was the neil patrick harris of manufacturing execution systems I stopped all overseas production f... : massdev
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    So what, guillotines and racks and such? : c0bra
    • chips with dips... : massdev
• Set the store on fire ... twice. It was at a restaurant I worked at years ago an I had a bad habit of em... : InfoBiter
• Working offsite at our largest almost only client I installed the performance improvements they had been ... : dael
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  forgot the where statement : wtf242
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    ahaha, who hasn't done this? : c0bra
    • Really isn't that bad in a SELECT statement, but UPDATE and DELETE aren't very forgiving. : digital_d
  • where is a keyword, not a statement : yakz
  • I did this in a production environment and wiped out about a years worth of data. However the blame was ... : matrix
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  rm -rf * in a directory a little higher than I should have. Would've been fine if we had proper backups. : Conan
  • I've done the same. Was not fun: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=18946736#itemanchor_18946736 : bombay
  • yeah... rm -rf / temp/*. notice the extra space before the temp... : Ariakus
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  • where is a clause, but also a keyword : yakz
• When I worked at the local supermarket, I broke the cardboard baler my first night there. One week later... : Horseshorses
• Was extremely tired and was cleaning up some old files. rm -rf* Yeah, I thought I was going to puke... : kikilupo
• When I worked at a pizza restaurant, during the dinner rush I was moving a tall rolling rack across the k... : Xin Jing Client 1a
• Where I work there's one big deadline a year (think of it like the April 15th deadline - except there are... : DOOManiac
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  • And the people I deal with struggle to understand why test and prod access should be segregated : gakera
  • Heh, about a year back my boss was trimming some data w/ a DELETE and he forgot his WHERE clause. :X : DOOManiac
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  This probably isn't the worst, but pretty funny. My first job was was doing repair work for a mom and... : judge
  • lol : theghostofsmdever
  • yeah, that is pretty funny : boarder2
  • I laughed. : Ellissd
  • Pics of granddaughter whore plz : rosewood
  • lmfao : niceguynick
• I did a weeks work experience at a bank and sat on my silent panic alarm. 2 police cars turned up :( : marmite
• A month ago at around 2am I was on the semi-production monitoring server, and I was going to do something... : zakk
• Plugged in a computer into a 208V rail assuming the power supply was auto sensing like every other piece ... : retardhumper
• Other then putting the paper in the copier in the wrong way and having call for a tech to come out, I hav... : mountdreamer
• One of my first jobs as a youth was at Burger King. On like my second day of the job they asked me to du... : Dimmona

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• The second one is of me playing. : sanchez
• Cannot wait to get back into this. I used to play OF like a madman : noobja
• That looks pretty freakin' sweet! I always wanted to try out the first one. : hoov1185
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  If it's anything like OFP or ArmA, in the sense that it has the most frustrating, clunky movement and int... : Drewus
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    I'm sure they'll put out a demo so that you can check that sort of thing. : Dslyecxi
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      I would like it if they could make the game feel less clunky. The scope and the realism is awesome but I ... : SockMonkeh
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        Oh, I agree completely. The clunkyness is a big turn-off even to fans of it. I have high hopes that they'... : Dslyecxi
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          If they could just take what they have with ArmA and refine the controls to feel more like I'm in there a... : SockMonkeh
          • I'm playing Raven Shield RIGHT NOW and it just feels so great but it's missing some things that you see i... : SockMonkeh
        • I really hope so, I feel it holds it back so much...didn't realise the game was a couple of months away e... : niceguynick
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  When is this due? : randomposter
  • Based on all the media they've been putting out, it's probably a few months out. Some people speculate Ma... : Dslyecxi
• Purdy : DOOManiac
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  Is ArmA1 worth playing? I see it's $20 on Steam and after getting really frustrated with getting kicked d... : vtxrider80
  • Not for single player. IT IS A FUCK. : manero
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    Depends on how you intend to play it. With the right crowd in MP, it's amazing. We're still pulling 50-60... : Dslyecxi
    • you guys still play regularly? Bravo man bravo : kainen1
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    You won't enjoy it unless you pretend your are an army person. Seems people who roleplay get more out o... : kingdepork
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      If you play with the wrong crowd, yeah, you'll have a bad time. Same story in most games, though. : Dslyecxi
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        I wish i could try this game with you guys.. i love playing with strategy and voice cooperation. But my ... : doomed
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          :( Sucks ass as in bad ping, or bad packetloss? Or both? : Dslyecxi
          • He connects to the internet using 2 cardboard cups and a hella long piece of string : r3dn3ck
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    How many prebuilt missions are in multiplayer (if any)? And does the Steam version have the expansion? : NFXFSX
    • I think there are about 10-15 premade MP missions for it. It's easy to hop onto any number of community s : Dslyecxi
• Holy shit. The graphics are insane. Too bad it's not my type of game. : razlebol
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  this looks pretty amazing. what's the difference between this and OFP 2? : kill9
  • OFP2 is more Battlefield-esque, apparently, than OFP1-style. ArmA2 is more along the lines of what you wo... : Dslyecxi
  • OPF2 uses a racing game engine. : Sailor of Fortune
• they better not fuck up single player : manero
• lookin good! : trOmblyj
• holy christ, i was just scrolling past this post thinking they were just randomly military pictures. No ... : burning eye
• Nice! These looks amazing! : SockMonkeh
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  Dslyecxi, how does this game compare to the first? : Sgt_Boomstick
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    Not at liberty to say currently. Ask me again in the future. :) : Dslyecxi
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      Curious, you can post screen shots and can't comment on gameplay? Are you a playtester? : Xin Jing Client 1a
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        HE CAN'T SAY GOD DAMMIT! :D : SockMonkeh
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          oh ok, but how are the weapons and vehicle handling? : randomposter
          • Excellent question, thwriter! : SockMonkeh
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          Even then, my guess if he was a playtester would have been incorrect. In order not to violate an NDA, he... : Xin Jing Client 1a
          • If he is a tester the NDA almost certainly applies to him, too. : SockMonkeh
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      Are some of the goons in it? : stgdz
      • In what, ShackTac? : Dslyecxi
    • Damn, I'd love to know if the way you interact with the environment has changed at all. I never could get... : Marauder IIC
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  I'm sure it keeps the hilarious randomness from earlier games Like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6DeW... : podung
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    I never saw that in A1, even in the early days (ie: 2006, when that video is from). It certainly doesn't ... : Dslyecxi
    • It's ancient. It came out right at release of ARMA. : rasputinreborn
  • rofl : PointlesS76
  • That's what happens when you let the Prince of Persia drive your truck. : DOOManiac
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  that game would be almost perfect if there was a real first person view, you know.. not just sticking the... : HisKillSkill
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    Are you saying that based on what you've seen of ArmA1, or of A2 footage? It looks like it has changed so... : Dslyecxi
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      both. Most of the games use another "model" for the first person view, more detailed/animated, but ofp an... : HisKillSkill
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        I like that it's a true view from your character's eyes, though. : SockMonkeh
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          yes, I also like how you can see your body and all, I just hate how bad the modeling looks : HisKillSkill
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            All they'd have to do, really, is replace your own gun/arms with a more detailed version. I think that wo... : SockMonkeh
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              it would also be easy, and more apealing to the eye. : HisKillSkill
              • I'm sure it would be simple to implement but then they'd have to create all the high detail models. : SockMonkeh
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  It's not ArmA until is has a horrible UI on top of that. : Liquid
  • and ~20fps with a high end computer : HisKillSkill
• BTW, I hope this one works with more than 4GB : HisKillSkill
• thats pretty sweet. i wonder if Phil will photoshop some FUUUUU on that 3in1 screenshot.. otherwise i ... : doomed

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  Noce. Thought I was totally expecting the baby's face in the 4th picture to turn into your face in the... : Sailor of Fortune
  • damn typing without glasses on,. *Nice; *Though : Sailor of Fortune
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  She looks like an alien. : SockMonkeh
  • i thought so too : mindshot
• that is awesome, congrats! : azenmaster
• sideboob! : Klebold
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  Congratulations, daddy! I'm amazed by how alert she looks after 1 day. : .sticks.
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    so are the nurses here. Her eyes dart around like that everywhere, like she's on speed or something. I ... : kainen1
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      both of ours were c-sections. did you look over the sheet to see what they were doing? They told me I cou... : .sticks.
      • I did, it was amazing. Especially when the womb is out and it shinks in seconds from being able to hold t... : bombay
      • No, I was scared shitless man. I go in all scrubbed up and my wife is stretched out crucifix style cryin... : kainen1
• kgargs wants pics of you going 96 on the freeway shirtless by the way. : lakren
• congrats daddy! : .Jayson
• Congrats! : bcyde
• Wow, congrats man! : megarust32
• hey congratulations, man! : Dschinghis Khan
• congrats man!!! : Downforce
• http://fukung.net/v/6370/hymen-gel.jpg : Melll
• i'm sure someone around here will offer a gold for a guild charter sig. : d0pamine
• yay! congrats : WhatIsThisFor
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  dude now what!!? : feek
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    teach her to be cool and stuff : kainen1
    • Classic Starcraft matches to put her to sleep every night? She could be the Tiger Woods of Zerg. : Psigun
• Congrats, very cute! : bombay
• Now, make sure you pillage the carts they bring you. Take everything you can, because you are charged for... : bombay
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  Glad to see someone admitting their case isn't special. Having a kid can be great of course, it's just a... : Lone Swordsman
  • Congrats, in other words. : Lone Swordsman
  • I'll tell you what's hard, try talking your girlfriend into her third consecutive abortion. That takes fi : feek
• Did you yell "IT'S ALIVE!!" when your baby was born? : eldiablo01
• Congrats! Mom and daughter look great! : senseimoron
• Congrats Kainen! : Psigun
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  congrats!! are you really going to refer her as Blast Hardcheese? because that'd be totally rad : Mmmmmoo
  • Reminds me of Penn Jillette's daughter's real name "Moxy Crimefighter JIllette" Greatest name ever. : chrisschutz
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  Oh man, I'm having my first (a little girl as well) any day now. Be sure to post with tips for new dads a... : chrisschutz
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    The main thing I can suggest is start adjusting to lack of sleep or sleeping in bursts. : tboomer2
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      ^ this and I'm only 1-2 days in. You can kiss the long sleeping routine goodbye. : kainen1
      • You've seen nothing yet. : razlebol
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      I'm freelance in the film industry so i'm used to the weird sleep patterns having to work around day/nigh... : chrisschutz
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        That's the least of your concerns. Just remember to rub down, not up. : tboomer2
        • Yeah, that one's not really a big issue. : bombay
  • Here's some tips: 1) If you have time and can find one, go to Daddy Bootcamp. It will really help out.... : bombay
• congrats dude! : moshman
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  6569 days. : mem
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    You're in it for life, not just until they turn 18. If they need help or support, you still have to be t... : Xin Jing Client 1a
    • 30 is the new 18 in that regard. : bombay
  • i c wut u did there, also LOL'D : r3dn3ck
• soooo cute. congrats! : [eluder]
• Congrats! : mafu5150
• congratulations, she's cute : Just A Girl
• that was also pretty cool of H@rvester to send that to you : Mmmmmoo
• Congrats! : helvetica
• :D : xxiv
• She is very cute! Congrats! : razlebol
• congrats kainen1! : xsii
• grats buddy! glad both your girls are doing well! : hirez
• Congrats, Mr. and Mrs. Kainen1! : Snuffles-
• Congrats! It's a lot of work, but it's worth it. : FormerHPB
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  congrats.. i'm not going to lie.. i'm a little bit disappointed in the name but gj man : kgargs
  • I liked you Ulysses Xavier but she just didn't quite live up to the size of that name bro : kainen1
• Congratulations! : Wadmaasi
• congrats! : Xanthos
• Grats kainen1! : punchdog
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  Congrats achievement Unlocked - How is Babby formed. : ant_hillbilly
  • that achievement should've been unlocked at the time of conception. or when the wife found out she was pr... : Mmmmmoo
• You have done well, Lord Kainen. : Ride-My-Rocket
• Congratulations, mister! : c0bra
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  Congrats... Now down to business. I will give two goats and one pig to marry her when she is 18. : erebus
  • 300 quatloos on the newcomer. : tboomer2
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  Congratulations! Best new-dad advice: do yourself a favor and don't buy Huggies or Pampers diapers and w... : Xin Jing Client 1a
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    Also, some other suggestions: 1. Earth's Best Organic baby food until she switches to solid food. 2. ... : Xin Jing Client 1a
    • Another vote for Earth's Best baby food. We used that ~6 years and it's wild, it almost looks like real ... : hiloopy
  • good advice, we'll actually take that - need some diapers : kainen1
• Well done fella. : deafstarr
• CONGRATS!! your life will change in ways you never thought. : m0rfus
• Congrats! : gnomish
• Congrats now look on Think Geek for baby clothes. : hrdwregk
• :D : Fish_Bulb
• Nice work! : midgetherder
• http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/37208/vivian3.jpg "I'll swallow your soul!" Yay for baby! : locater16
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  She's beautiful--congrats! : Merconium
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    no she isnt. Newborns are ugly little things. : sparkly
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      (congrats, but I give no mercy to anyone -- newborns are weird) : sparkly
      • For a newborn she's verry pretty - i've seen faaaaar worse : apricci
    • you and that vikram guy need to have a retard-off or something. who can say the lamest shit ever. : hamachi
    • we are genetically predisposed to believe that newborns are the cutest things ever so that we will protec... : sharpie
• Congrats! She's very beautiful. : Koral06
• Woohoo! Congratulations! : sanchez
• Congrats, sir! As a fulltime lurker, I know all of the regular posters quite well, but the only reason I ... : Satyric0n
• awesome onesie by harvester and hooray baby! : hamachi
• Congrats. :D : DOOManiac
• Pics of baby in the shack onsie when she gets big enough! : H@rvester
• Well done sir. : Clay
• wait how come nobody sent me a shack onesy? : Clay
• Those pictures deserver an AWWwwwww...so cute! Congrats! : mrwolf710
• Vivian like the aunt from Fresh Prince in Bel Air??? : lasercat

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  i've had buffalo, it's really lean and not bad if cooked right had elk and deer jerky but not burgers ... : EvilDolemite
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    I've never convinced myself to stop there. Maybe I will the next time I see him! : BoKnows
    • how come i haven't had you on my list yet? well you're on my list now : RikiTiki2
  • with the low fat content, it's ridiculously easy to overcook buffalo. : cpt_gloval
• kangaroo meat is great : hankyJR
• all animals taste delicious : kill9
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  I forgot to post the link http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/04/21//0421kelso.html : wtf242
  • "The chicken-fried rattlesnake I think will be a pretty good item," Bubba said. "You buy the whole snake : EvilDolemite
  • That place sounds awesome. : Arcanum
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  yyyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaakkkkkk : [fry]
  • [Fry] tentative plans to go to Houston this weekend. Can we arm wrestle and shoot guns? : wtf242
  • Are you proposing we eat yak, or are you being a squeamish girlyman? : Dave-A
• Do buffalo wings count? : TheNiXXeD
• I've had kangaroo, elk and buffalo. all are good but less fatty than beef and have a similar sort of tas... : mikecyb
• Buffalo and elk can be pretty damn delicious, don't know about the others though. Ans apparently snake... : magistersmax
• I hear kangaroo is awesome. : deveus1
• Kangaroo is nice. I've also had possum, wallaby and crocodile. : randomposter
• they all probably taste the same : RikiTiki2
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  good to hear. more animals should be harvested for our consumption. : sm00v3d
  • Agreed. Any animal should taste good if prepared properly so we should harvest more to discover which on... : stump
• Kangaroo is fucking delicious. : Toraz Chryx
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  Girlfriend in a coma I know, I kno.... YUUUUCCCKKKK /walks off stage : stuka
  • haha : Godhatesfatpeople
• do they serve feek burgers? : gmd
• Elk and antelope are often seen on the dinner table here. : Lunatic Angelic
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  SMOKIN ON THAT YAK : heartsauce
  • Don't you drink Yak, not smoke it? Yak=Congnac : Sirus2400
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  Are any of those endangered? Endangered species always have the most flavor. : skinlab133
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    I find the cuter the animal, the tastier it is. Kittens are an awesome appetizer. : dognose
    • i want to eat a pigeon id also really love to taste some panda steaks. A nice flank or t bone. : -=kodiak=-
    • i like them dipped in creamy garlic dipping sauce. so fuckin good : dantastic
• ive had a buffalo burger once. Damn good. i know this dont help you.. but whatever. : -=kodiak=-
• I made Bean's chili again and tossed in a bit of buffalo. It was pretty awesome. : Prozium
• My dog is on a kangaroo diet. : Gonzo
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  I could go for a kangaroo burger right about now! : CrustaR
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    you want to go for a casino burger tonight? I'm hungry and don't want to cook : wtf242
    • Nah, I am cooking pasta right now. :O : CrustaR
• I recommend Springbok! : niceguynick
• Elk is downright badass. : doozer667
• Kangaroo is pretty damn tasty. : Evil Benius
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  we've got one near seattle that does ostrich, buffalo, and wild boar burgers. http://www.blazingonion.com... : cpt_gloval
  • oh and Brouwers Cafe have (had?) a lamb burger. i've been there 4 times and i had the lamb burger 3. so g... : cpt_gloval
• Kangaroo is really, really good. : DasCracky
• Elk is delicious : weaselmeister
• antelope, and buffalo. I've also had ostrich : sKetchflow
• what's all this I hear about kangaroos being tasty? : supersonic potato
• I've had buffalo and elk burgers. Buffalo tastes like lean beef, not very game-tasting. Elk has more of a... : MisterPhoton
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  i've had elk and kangaroo. : dahanese
  • and buffalo oops : dahanese
• I've heard great things about emu. Do they have any of that? : anhero