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• pepper and mustard. I dont like mustard though, but I do like pepper. : not work safe
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  You are correct sir; dijon makes the grilled cheese! Also, sourdough bread makes an outstanding GCS. : mn3m0n1c
  • oh man I have both at home; I'm making this for dinner now. : Megara9
  • I haven't tried the Dijon mustard, but I heartily agree about sourdough bread. : ArcKnight
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  Are you a fan of good mustard? If so you should try this stuff: http://www.mendocinomustard.com/ (the ... : DJ Clipdat
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    I am not a huge fan of mustard. I'll put on sandwiches/burgers on occasion and I use it in mac and cheese... : wtf242
    • You should see if you can find Taragon mustard. It's out of this world. Especially when you throw it on a : okhelosir
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  Sometimes I'll warm some tomato slices in the pan first and throw them into it. Delicious. Also agree ... : anhero
  • i love toasty tomato slices. some people find that strange. : packav
• toss some sweet onion in there with the dijon and you got yourself a sandwitch : spector
• You should move to France, Shane. : Rigg5
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  i have always done this. what kind of cheese do you use? : Mansmells
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    i used like 4 different kinds i had left over from pizza earlier in the week. two kinds of aged white, a ... : wtf242
    • You may want to try again and sprinkle some feta cheese in there as well. Also, I think a glaze of honey ... : Rigg5
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  why would you toast your bread if you are going to grill it? i don't comprehend this... if you are grilli... : vikramwillrock
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    It preserves the shape and gives it texture. : Rigg5
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      texture? i thought grilling removed any sort of texture on the bread, it just made the bread crisp with a... : vikramwillrock
      • I'm speaking about the toasting part. It's not common beforehand : Rigg5
      • that's what i'm talking about doing. cooking both sides in the pan with butter until it's nice and browne... : wtf242
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    the flipping the pan thing is a joke about an old shack post by korban. He almost burned down his apartme... : wtf242
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      http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=15667299 : wtf242
      • haha, i seem to have missed that. : vikramwillrock
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    I assume he means grill both sides of each individual slice of bread. I'll sometimes grill the inside ... : anhero
    • yeah that's what i meant : wtf242
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      what i did not understand was why he was toasting both sides of the bread if he was going to grill the s... : vikramwillrock
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        it adds texture and flavor. Also it helps to melt the cheese faster once you add the cheese on top of the... : wtf242
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          you mean, adding cheese between the two slices of bread right? i have never seen melted cheese on top of ... : vikramwillrock
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            vikramwillrock why are you making this so difficult? 1. get two slices of bread 2. spread dijon musta... : wtf242
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              so you are toasting the sandwich on the pan, not grilling it. you confused me with your op calling it a g... : vikramwillrock
              • he meant it was a BBQ'd cheese sandwich. The man can't keep his cooking terms straight. : Megara9
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                I'm cooking it in a cast iron skillet. I guess I could just call it a "cooked cheese sandwich" ? The brea... : wtf242
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                  right. i used to do this before i got a sandwich grill. its a toasted cheese sandwich, not grilled. : vikramwillrock
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                    maybe that's what they call it in communist india but here in the land of the free it's called a grilled ... : electroly
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                      whats with all the hate for india? the words grill and toast mean different things anywhere in the world. : vikramwillrock
                      • i'm just busting your balls. they're definitely called grilled cheese here though. : electroly
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                        and man, when anybody is specifically talking about cooking methods, they need to be specific; i like wtf... : vikramwillrock
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                          Not toasting. Frying. You need to be specific. : bRAINsick
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                            ah..wow, i did not know that. so its being fried because of the butter in the pan? if there was no butter... : vikramwillrock
                            • if you cooked in the pan without butter it would be toasted. Cooking in a liquid fat is usually what det... : bRAINsick
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                he called it a grilled cheese sandwich because that's what they're called : electroly
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                  well, at the restaurants here you can order a toasted cheese sandwich and also a grilled cheese sandwich ... : vikramwillrock
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                    so, they grill it over an open fire or what? : anhero
                    • and we probably don't call it toasted, because for anything that's toasted we use a toaster : anhero
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                      grilling is done over some grid/pattern usually on a grill. the toasting could be on anything...a toaster... : vikramwillrock
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                        you can "grill" on a "griddle" which has no pattern/grid. : wtf242
                        • look what I've done :( : anhero
                      • Just because it is called a grilled cheese does not mean that is how it has to be made. : Evil Benius
                      • You are mixing up terms. Technically the sandwich is fried in butter not toasted. The common nomenclatu... : bRAINsick
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                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grilled_Cheese : wtf242
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                          interesting....so the words toasted/grilled are interchangable? and technically its being fried? : vikramwillrock
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                            Welcome to the wonderful world of English. Yes, it doesn't make sense, but in this context "grilled chee... : action wombmate
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                              Just like how French Toast isn't technically toast. : bRAINsick
                              • And corned beef has nothing to do with corn. : action wombmate
                          • Yes, that's just the name of the sandwich in this case. I'm sure the guy who made it up actually grilled... : nurglich
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                I have to side with vikramwillrock on this one. Doing that shit in a pan with butter is frying. Doing it ... : Drewus
                • This is the way it works in Aus btw : Drewus
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              wait, then the dijon gets all soaked in butter : Morgin
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                OH SHIT!!!!!!!!!! : wtf242
                • I've never had a good experience frying mustard. YMMV : Morgin
              • Yeah I was thinking about that. Doesn't that just leave all of the dijon in the pan? : bRAINsick
      • oh I agree with you then. I just grill the insides, assemble, then finish grilling. I have the heat do... : anhero
• Dijon + Beef Stroganoff. : Marrbe
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  I am on this. + Sourdough. : johnwissinger
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    we don't have good sourdough here for some reason. Whole Foods has good stuff but that store is too far a... : wtf242
    • regular HEB has a pretty good in store brand now : johnwissinger
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  Considering a grilled cheese sandwich is basically a shitload of other sandwiches minus the meat componen... : the moon and antarctica
  • I'm shocked. : the moon and antarctica
  • i am pretty slow. I've probably cooked grill cheese sandwiches less than 10 times in my life : wtf242
• Trailer park gourmet. : Haku-Jin
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  Not a fan of the Mustard, but U love me a toasted mozzarella cheese on rye : RookieCAF
  • ^^^Friggin Typo. I love me a..... : RookieCAF
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  i always shred my cheese, it melts quicker and more evenly. : cpt_gloval
  • yeah me too : wtf242
• 2 other tips: grate the cheese and cover the pan with a lid. : Albemuth
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  next time try a bit of strawberry jam on one side and a good cheddar cheese : grendel
  • Raspberry Preserves and Mozzarella is good too : RookieCAF
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  Grill cheese with your choice of jelly. Basically any cheese and jelly combo will work quite nice. : Pettytheft
  • a strong swiss and tart orange marmalade are brilliant together : Megara9

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• the sweatpants come on... : EvilDolemite
• This looks great. : Salad Sammich
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  I will see it. Affleck is pretty funny when hes not a self serious jackass. Plus Mila Kunis is way hot... : NexusOne
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    Also, I have enjoyed every Mike Judge project I've seen. The man is a genius and a prophet. : NexusOne
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      except King of the Hill, that show is terrible. : NexusOne
      • wtf : freshyk
      • It's pretty good. A lot funnier if you live in Texas. : LoioshDwaggie
      • wrong : dromo5
      • Look at how wrong this man is. : vtxrider80
      • NexusOne? More like NexusNONE! am i rite, or am i rite?! : fatman
• ahaha. that looks great. : hirez
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  i am so hot for mila kunis. i'd go see her movies even if they were the worst crap ever filmed. : electroly
  • It kind of amazes me that she's not in a million movies. : ThomW
• office space 2.0 it actually looks alright. : -=kodiak=-
• haha the wheezing was the part that made me finally crack up : dantastic
• awesome : whistletits
• That coughing at the end is hilarious. Smoke just keeps coming. : ThomW
• This looks like it will be better than Idiocracy. : Deathlove
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  Mila Kunis is getting exponentially hotter as she gets older. When she's 70 she'll be the hottest woma... : Toraz Chryx
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    No, if that were true, she would be dead by raging fans who couldn't control themselves over her hotness.... : one random winner
    • I have that planned for her 30th birthday : Toraz Chryx
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  hahaha nice, Judge has been due for awhile : smacknca
  • That was what sold me first. Then Mila, then JK Simmons. : Sailor of Fortune
• Haha, I love Jason Bateman! : Just A Girl
• looks pretty good! : niceguynick
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  Jason Bateman is awesome so I will see it. And mike judge is awesome. I don't know why the author thinks ... : coolbreezr
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    all I see him doing is bagging on Affleck : anhero
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      He's not even doing that, he's saying it's cool that he can do movies like this again and not have it be ... : Deathlove
      • oh how wrong I am! : coolbreezr
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  Is that old lady in the beginning the lady who played the old mother in There Will Be Blood? : kelzmelzer
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    Crap, I meant No Country for Old Men. God damnit, I always get their titles mixed up. : kelzmelzer
    • Yeah, that's her. : Just A Girl
• That looks hilarious. : swenkcahs
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  Mila Kunis is getting hotter with age. Just unbelievably good looking. Wow. : Ellissd
  • Totally agreed. She is the exception to the rule. So incredibly hot. : Phil
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    http://www.shackpics.com/files/Mila_Kunis__ExtractOn_SetLA_19_ycb58iqk9pt4bww9uteh.jpg : sikander
    • aaaaaaaaaaaaand i'm spent. : Phil
    • want : marmite
  • Macaulay Culkin's sperm must be magical. : king_darius
• computer assisted smoke, great : Luminair
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  Holy shit I never knew the sweatpants was that huge in the world lol... Mine is not sweatpants, but green... : Utopia
  • what : mittense
  • I had a good laugh at this. : king_darius
  • ahahaha : Ellissd
  • Green square bob the spong? That sounds like a fucked up cartoon! Good thing you don't play Broken Pi... : vtxrider80
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    wtf just happened here? : treefingers1
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      Translate it into French and then back to English and you'll understand. : the moon and antarctica
      • I did but I still don't understand: Holy shit, I never knew the sweatpants is that in the vast world lo : terath
  • square bob the spong. damn that's funny. : festivalman
  • alice, i think utopia is talking shit about you : papaskot
  • You are reinforcing every negative French-Canadian stereotype in existence. : Satyric0n
  • hahahaha : virus
  • lol what someone's drunk : tomwiththeweather
  • lolwhut? : mrvandelay
• I watched Gia last night and then realized that Mila Kunis* looks more like Angelina Jolie that I had pre : action roommate
• This look like a fun movie. So many on the watch list now. I Love You Man Observe & Report Adventure... : sikander
• Something caught my eye at the end of that. Music by George S Clinton. AWESOME : magistersmax
• God damnit I was expecting the other Bateman, from American Psycho. : not work safe
• lol. i read Bateman as batman and didn't know what to expect. : packav

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• I enjoyed that ep. As Widmore couldnt find the island I guess he had people following all the O6 about to : pieman
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  I want to know what's in the shadow of the statue : dirge23
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    Isnt one of the dharma stations very close to the statue? I think we saw that when Sawyer et el 1st came : pieman
    • Yes, the statue is visible from the site of the Orchid (which is where the donkey wheel is). I don't thi : dirge23
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    i was thinking that was a code word to know who is on their side. they seemed awfully organized about th : smacknca
    • It was a code phrase to know who was on their side, but remember, that was the bounty hunter who was taki : Endymion_
• That's how his eyes are for real, it's not makeup. : HojuSimpson
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  I can't wait when they don't explain anything and say it was all god : gmd
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    there is no possible non-supernatural explanation that would be satisfying : dirge23
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      Anders went off course and crashed BSG into the island where the FTL explodes causing time unstability, a... : gmd
      • And Locke morphs into Starbuck. : DarkWolf5
  • And Locke turns to Jack, says "Peaceout", and blinks out of existence. : deveus1
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  I didn't really feel like they put much effort into explaining how he ends up with Alex, the whole walk-i : darcspeed
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    widmore instructed him to kill the mother. he saw the baby and kidnapped it instead because he didn't be : EvilDolemite
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      but why not kill the mother and keep the baby? : deathofrats
      • or I don't know, leave the baby with it's mother? who steals a baby for no reason!!? : darcspeed
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        Maybe Ben hadn't become a hardcore killer just yet. : Bamtan
        • This was what I was thinking. That or he was trying to push Widmores buttons even back then. : GoodBoy
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        He probably has a complex or something because of his own dead mother : Snuffles-
        • Exactly. That's why he couldn't kill Penny. : swenkcahs
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  that's a pretty interesting richard theory : feek
  • maybe he's just a hooker : dirge23
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  my richard theory: anyone who the island resurrects is immortal, but cannot leave the island. take: c : EvilDolemite
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    Theory instantly debunked because Richard left the island to recruit Juliet to work for Mittelos. : HojuSimpson
    • AND when he went to go "test" Locke as a child : HojuSimpson
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      i don't recall that at all. : EvilDolemite
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        http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Juliet First paragraph : HojuSimpson
        • jeez, i have forgotten tons of stuff about this show. i do remember that now. : EvilDolemite
      • There were like 3 different episodes where he was off the island. Recruiting Juliet, Locke's birth, Locke : Bamtan
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    actualy richard IS the smoke monster, think about it, you never see them in the same place at the same ti : darcspeed
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      Richard can get past the sonic fence but the smoke monster apparently can't. : dirge23
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        huh? it gets past the fence alright to kill the mercs when ben summons it... or is it disabled? : gokart.
        • presumably ben disables it : dirge23
  • My alt theory is that he was resurrected like Christian and Locke and is really just a vessel the island ... : brickmatt
  • that's a good theory but there's nothing to indicate they can't leave, and Richard has left numerous time : mikecyb
• I love Penny and Desmond, but I was kinda dissappointed Ben didnt kill her. I wanted to see Desmond come : pieman
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  I'm thinking that the island is a part of Atlantis. Supposedly Atlantis was supposed to be in that area w : kikilupo
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    The only direct historical reference to Atlantis we have is Plato mentioning in one of his works. He says... : silent prophet
    • check out the map Eloise Hawking has, especially the part on the left in the atlantic: http://images1.wi... : smax
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  alex was fucking smoking. she definitely wasnt that hot before : maulla
  • yes she was. : whereiwannab
  • lol @ "smoking" : dirge23
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  Question: On the dock when Ben and Locke got off the boat, John mentioned to Ben that he was favoring on : grabbie
  • Yes, it was caused by Desmond. When he tackled him into the dock. : Totenjaeger
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  i fucking love lost this season. being less about jack has actually been great so far imo. : greydog
  • Yeah, I hate Jack. : brickmatt
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    needs more faraday and desmond though : Clay
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      How many episodes are we from the finale? I know next week is a Miles-centered episode, and there's a cli : Vincent Grayson
      • I feel like Desmond's story is complete : mikecyb
  • Amen, Jack was always such a pussy before. Less Jack = better. Locke, Ben, Richard, Widmore, and those ... : GoodBoy
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  So I guess the other people on the plane are Widmore's? Or are they introducing another interested party? : Vincent Grayson
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    I am going to say that they are Widmore's people. I think this is because Ben was fucking idiot and gloa : HojuSimpson
    • I think this is the most sound theory. Also sayid wanted nothing to do with going back to the island. Wha : maulla
    • :D http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=19365711#itemanchor_19365711 : mn3m0n1c
    • If that were true, then wouldn't they have recognized Ben, and probably Locke and Sun and the pilot as we : lechuck59
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    i think maybe they've been "turned"/"infected" the way rousseau's crew were : dirge23
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      That wouldn't make any sense, Rosseau's people got that way after going into the "temple" on the main isl : Vincent Grayson
      • not to mention it would appear that the giant silver crate full of weapons and goodies was on the flight, : gokart.
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    Possibly theory: Dharma people? I mean, all we know is Hanso funded the initiative, and Widmore seemed to : Bamtan
    • Yeah, I just heard someone else tout that theory, and that's the one I'm going with at this point. Widmor... : Vincent Grayson
• It's so nice to see Locke bringing the awesome again - I loved his arch expressions and all the snarky li : mn3m0n1c
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  My wife's Locke theory: He's still dead, and what we see now is a smoke monster created apparition : Dimmona
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    ie like christian? : deathofrats
    • I thought Christian's coffin was found to be empty why back in season 1 : grabbie
  • it would explain his sudden knowledge of the island. My wife mentioned that last night. : .sticks.
  • Yeah, I said that up above. I agree. : brickmatt
  • OOH OOH OOH Perhaps it creats apparitions for those that the target feels guilty/responsible for. Jack/... : jake
  • now that IS interesting. doesn't locke run off to find some rope right before the smoke monster appears? : dromo5
  • If that were true, then why did smoke monster Alex threaten Ben's life for planning to kill Locke? If Lo : lechuck59
  • the other forms like Christian and Alex act much differently than they did in life. Locke acts pretty mu... : GloriousCow
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  I haven't watched this show since I got bored of it in Season 2. Has it gotten better? : 5150Joker
  • People who stopped because of the midseason 2 lull should really pick it up again. It's the best show on ... : Bamtan
  • I find it just as awesome as ever. Much more meat to this season. : GloriousCow
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    Season 2 was the weakest season by far. Season 3 got better and better with each episode. Season 4 ... : fleabug
    • We're in 5 : Reptile

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• She makes brunettes look bad, and I love brunettes : graceofdragons
• Look how wide she is :( : pancake humper
• Look how wide she is :) : podizzle
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  who is this person : dantastic
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    Her dad was Robert Kardashian who worked on the OJ Simpson trial. She has a reality show now called Keep... : Phil
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      Oh and she's now fucking Reggie Bush the football player. : Phil
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        Why do I know this? Because my computer won't play WoW anymore. I NEED SOME NEW FUCKING HOBBIES. : Phil
        • Learn how to fix computers? : Ride-My-Rocket
        • buy an xbox : dantastic
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          won't or can't? : hamachi
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            It plays it, but with the latest couple of patches, it just grinds down to single digit FPS in a lot of a... : Phil
            • poop. I thought you had updated that thing. : hamachi
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              WTF Phil? Your kids don't need to go to college; but you do need to play WoW! : Modulus
              • Ya besides you can always sell your kids. Or their organs. : S1ing B1ade
    • so fathering douchebag children are bruce jenner's specialty i suppose? : dantastic
    • yeah she elected for the better plastic surgery it seems : kill9
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  phil, ever heard of a rather plain looking porn star called angel capri? : Hoax
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    No. I've heard of Jordan Capri though... : Phil
    • hmn just googled jordan, she is hot! as for angel i swear she looks like someone i went to school with. ... : Hoax
• Tyler Durden is right, she looks like a fucking goat. : HojuSimpson
• She's built like a dump truck. : Ride-My-Rocket
• i really wonder what she looks like w/o makeup. she seems the type that needs two hours to have everythi... : smacknca
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  man thats a fat ass : stgdz
  • just the way i like it : SlamDunk
• I would engage in copulations with her. : coolbreezr
• holy shit she is horny. A+++ : Downforce
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  She is a PERFECT example of a 1 on the Deadfish!!!!! I guess it's time to explain. This makes the 3... : mace
  • 1 on the Deadfish SCALE! : mace
  • We definitely need a new scale for deadfish's chick. Maybe the kind they use to weigh horses. : wasylm
  • lol : Phil
  • I just shook my head in real life and posted that I did because its all very strange : Luminair
  • mace: rating women with scientific precision : askedrelic
  • I think Deadfish took his scale to 11. : lolpatrol
  • I thought this was going to be a scale of motionless partners during sex. plus fish + scale = lol : sKetchflow
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    My personal scale is the number of miles I would walk to cum on the girl's face. : eugthinks
    • I'm adopting this. : marmite
    • That must have been some woman The Proclaimers were talking about. : Rag and Bone Man
  • hahaha what just happened - i have no clue : virus
  • Objectification : beastrabban
  • My Deadfish scale is an indicator on how bad the girl is during sex. Motionless = 10 I had experiences w... : slacko
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  Nice ass, ugh face. : AMikaboshi
  • i dunno. but she has way too much facepaint on. : SlamDunk
• How old is she? She looks good but a little old. Maybe its the makeup. : bolneze
• She is one of the hottest women in the world. : virus
• She looks like a Spanish Clown : two50six
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  Her ass has finally reached Centaur levels. The younger sister is the hottest one. And the other sister w... : Godhatesfatpeople
  • Some one knows where it's at. : one random winner
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  what meds you taking phil to hallucinate like that? : azenmaster
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    Even before I was hopped up on goofballs I thought she was hot. : Phil
    • blame it on lowered expectations and depression. : azenmaster
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  I'm having trouble accepting that the link is WS : sans-serif
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    it's fine : mikecyb
    • what if he works in ISLAM : azenmaster
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  I had to hang out with her for 3 days shooting her workout DVD a couple months ago. She was really nice. : chrisschutz
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    Does her ass squeak like when you rub your fingers across a balloon when she walks? : Godhatesfatpeople
    • She looks AMAZING from the tits up. Waist down, notsomuch. : chrisschutz
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  I would violate that woman. : Pettytheft
  • rapist^^^^^^^^ : Jackass1233
• I can't believe she paid for that ass. : jjjapan

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• We did, most people do, some don't, and some need to be reminded, that last point is what that ad is abou... : one random winner
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  And yet they just keep gaining market share. : sKetchflow
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    Not in this recession they are. I wonder how many Macbooks are being Repo'd. : Sailor of Fortune
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      Clearly you have inside sales information. : terath
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        no just public data http://www.newsweek.com/id/192459 In February, U.S. retail sales of Windows PCs gre : stgdz
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          this dude is known for being biased to MS, I prefer being objective press than those who appear to have a... : two50six
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            ^ uses a mac : NeoMoose
            • I use both actually. I dont have any loyalty to a platform : two50six
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          hahaha unicorn tears : SenorSpine
          • yeah, that's solid gold. : FormerHPB
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          That article is great because it totally avoids registering any notion that people may be buying macs for... : sKetchflow
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            The taskbar is different and has been discussed before. : stgdz
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              Yes it is different. But his description of it, what I'm referring to, gives no semblance of differentiat... : sKetchflow
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                He is putting it in Mac terms though. ;) : stgdz
                • mr. funny pants : sKetchflow
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            Most people really don't buy Macs for things like "build quality, stability, software choice, operating s... : Judicus
            • Apple definitely has definitely excelled at marketing their product. It's why the iPod is so popular tod... : FormerHPB
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              cite your source for this claim that people are only buying based on marketing. : FrayLo
              • They've been using the same ads for years now? : Sailor of Fortune
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                If this weren't true, there would be no marketing and advertising would be limited to showing what exactl... : one random winner
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                  I don't understand, is it not possible that most people are buying macs because they are better machines?... : FrayLo
                  • Aren't Macs just better Operating Systems now with similar hardware? : Derringer
                • I wish we went back to the days of ads having a 13 page soliloquy printed on them why we should buy their... : Crimsonbeak
              • Don't need one. It's basic consumer nature, and something that both Apple and Microsoft bank on. The... : Judicus
              • Every idiot who tells me they want a Mac and then I say "No you don't" and they say "Ok" : rosewood
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            it's no better or worse than the Mac / PC ads, which are also one-sided and deceptive. Both sides are go... : EvilDolemite
            • You're comparing an advertising campaign (that is biased, I agree) with an article in Newsweek. : sKetchflow
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          im wondering what % of those PC's were netbooks : Demius
          • its says a lot of them were netbooks, and that apple doesn't have an equivalent, still a PC though : Jackass1233
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      actually, yes they are. Research is showing that people (general consumers) are looking at aesthetics of ... : two50six
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        Can you cite any literature or studies that support this? Or are you just throwing opinions out there? Th... : Jackass1233
        • yeah I will find it, it was from a couple of months ago. The article I was reading made some very valid p... : two50six
    • Won't somebody think of the children mac minis?! :( : losimagic
    • during christmas, at a very upscale mall in so cal the apple store was the ONLY place that had more than ... : epit
    • I heard a report on NPR yesterday (I believe) saying that Apple Mac sales were down like ~15 and Windows ... : MagicWishMonkey
  • The build quality on mac laptops beats everything else on the market, that's why I bought one. : sroylance
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    It's easy to gain market share when you're market share is less than 5%. : walker270
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      it's still gaining though! : sKetchflow
      • Yep. Macs are selling at a rate higher than 20:1 (PC:Mac). : walker270
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  We knew but there always have been threads where macfags kept comparing the prices of some dell notebook ... : Hoax
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    do we really have to perpetuate this retarded "macfag" or "fanboy" crap? I mean is it really even necessa... : two50six
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      yes we do mainly because they piss me off to no end. http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=19622547 ... : Hoax
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        huh? You seriously believe that Apples products are a niche? Even with the success of devices such as ... : two50six
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          if you fail comprehending what i wrote this argument is pointless. read again what i wrote. mac as in (... : Hoax
          • case in point? goddamn fuck this english thing.. also n <--- i think i lost it in the sentence above. : Hoax
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            Last statistics I read gave Macs close to 10%, and Windows was below 90% (the remainder being linux at a ... : one random winner
            • wow, ten percent is unexpectedly high. : Hoax
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              Also, the last time I saw numbers, Apple was selling 34% of all notebooks in the quarter and was the #3 c... : DianeOfTheMoon
              • the question is if it was in the month they threw out a new macbook. but yeah i remember that apple did q... : Hoax
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            This isnt an argument about who may or may not be more vocal, no one here really said much at all about t... : two50six
            • the root asked "Didn't we know this already? I think so." thus receiving my answer as a consequence also : Hoax
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  Only an idiot would buy a Mac, they are obviously exactly the same as PCs in every conceivable way. Ex... : wasylm
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    except not. the design and some gimmicks are great. also osx is pretty nice. : Hoax
    • Yeah, I was trying to be sarcastic, I'm posting this from a Mac. My point was that a hardware comparison ... : wasylm
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    it's funny, whenever i consider a mac it's the hardware that lures me in. first thing i'd do is throw ... : gokart.
    • I love the hardware as well, but I also love OS X : wasylm
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  hahahaa fucking micro$oft fag cocks : boring gegtik
  • gegtik, you are right on the money about this one! : CrustaR
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  wait a second: The biggest tax is, of course, the hardware, but the software re-buy, which is less evi : mikecyb
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    I was just going to post a similar reaction. Plus they add in things like mobile me at $149 a year, even... : SqueegyTBS
    • afaik yes the MS competitor to mobile.me is free (My Phone?) and I don't know much about iLife and the fr... : derelict515
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    yeah, its like complaining that a BMW costs more than a Ford. What pigs they are to charge more for a bet... : filthysock
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      except for your assumption that it's objectively better or better in a way that justifies the price (the ... : derelict515
      • objectively a macbook pro has multitouch, aluminium case, is much thinner, is less prone to viruses (not ... : filthysock
  • How is that dumb from a TCO perspective? It's true for both sides. If I already own software I need for o... : DapperDan
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  While most of those computers are comparable specs, on paper, I highly doubt they have the build quality ... : mancide
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    i take the build quality of any thinkpad over the macs. people hate the looks of it but those are indestr... : Hoax
    • thinkpads are pretty solid but they've got a lot of engineering in them that makes most laptops fall apar... : mikecyb
    • I spilled a whole glass of water on mine once right on the keyboard. Fortunately there were drain holes t... : Sailor of Fortune
• FAIL the study doesn't use the updated $999 MacBook, which has 2GB of RAM and 9400M video. it's also v : Postal
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  Macs are also incredibly expensive even if they're used. They retain their value incredibly well, which ... : jingletard
  • If the property of hackintoshes continues to rise, maybe they will. But the case would have to be redicu... : SqueegyTBS
  • The main reason that Apple doesn't want that is the support nightmare Microsoft has by trying to support ... : mancide
  • Apple is a hardware company first and foremost. The purpose of all their software (perhaps with the excep... : evildanish
  • The MacBook Air didn't. 10 months after it came out my $1800 air sells for $900. Sure it's resale is bett... : xelencin
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  The cherry picked marketing of MS/Apple aside, one thing that *is* true is that Apple buys some seriously... : terath
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    The hard drive is right beside the battery now and is pretty straightforward to replace. I'm thinking of ... : Mmmmmoo
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      it is. it really is : sKetchflow
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        Are you referring to the new hard drive thing or the iBook? I really want to get the iBook working again.... : Mmmmmoo
        • iBook: if all you're doing is replacing the hard drive then it's not terrible, but it's certainly not as ... : sKetchflow
  • in the unibodies (that aren't the 17inch I believe?) you can swap the hard drives easily : sKetchflow
  • most of that cost isn't the RAM, it's the installation fees. Dell and others do it too: because they hav... : Postal
• do they take into the account of the magnet power plug that is worth MILLIONZ : Chandler55
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  i don't understand why some people are so shocked that anyone would pay a premium for a products that peo... : FrayLo
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    this reads like an indirect pro-mac argument you are contributing to mac vs pc arguments : boring gegtik
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      no u : two50six
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        i had a pc I have a macbook and I am probably going to be running linux on my next PC which will be a net... : boring gegtik
        • plus u are a faggot owned : boring gegtik
        • yep I have both myself : two50six
        • no you're not : c0bra
    • Yeah I should have mentioned I own a pc as well. And I prefer them (for now) for desktop stuff like image... : FrayLo
  • People pay a premium for PCs as well depending on the brand, so yeah I don't see how it's any different f... : ovrlrd
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    I hate Apple for how they treat non-Apple users as clueless idiots. I will never support a company that o... : Entity
    • Are you or have you ever been a mac user? : sKetchflow
• apple pushing folks around for touchscreens? they are the new microsoft? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/ : Downforce
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  My PS3 gets turned on once every two months tops. : godhatingatheist
  • fuck : godhatingatheist
• Apple stuff is NEVER on sale, while Dell always has 20-30% off coupons, so the price difference is actual... : MikkleThePickle
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  Does anyone have a Mac that doesn't love it? Curiously. : Ellissd
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    No. Apple has 100% customer satisfaction with all their products. Come on, of course there are such peo... : derelict515
    • I've yet to meet a person who didn't love my MBP. Just saying. : Ellissd
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    My mom seriously dislikes her iMac, she says it's too confusing. Keep in mind she's in her 50s, and sh... : king_darius
    • I can see the same thing happening to my mom actually. she's not even bad with computers, she's just hor... : mikecyb
    • That sounds pretty typical. My dad is in his 50s and knows how to run his windows machine (sorta), but h... : slickdoody
    • how long has she had it? Cause I dumped both my Dad and my brother (65 and 30) who were both life-long... : fatman
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  More expensive does not mean overpriced though. : peanut-
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    Also they never take into account resale value, which is a fucking huge consideration, at least for me. ... : peanut-
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      same. whenever i upgrade macs i sell the old one for a significant percentage of the cost of the new one... : electroly
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        which just supports the 'owning a mac for the cool factor' idea doesn't it? Nothing about the technical s... : derelict515
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          what do you mean? i'm not sure how retaining its value translates into it being "owning it just to be co... : electroly
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            people buy used macs for the same reason people buy new macs. "because it's cool" isn't necessarily one ... : electroly
            • well I'm asking why does it retain it's value so well compared to a PC with similar specs? The difference... : derelict515
            • higher resale value lowers the TCO when upgrade time rolls around? : Toraz Chryx
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            Perhaps the point doesn't follow exactly, but it does seem strange that the same or similar components ar... : Adm.Snackbar
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              the build quality is better, plain and simple : mikecyb
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                on an iBook? look at those things... : derelict515
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                  well okay an iBook might just retain its value because it's hilarious. I'd imagine lots of people would ... : mikecyb
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                    or wait are you talking about the normal looking iBook or the wacky colored ones? I have no idea about t... : mikecyb
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                      The first search result was wiki so I'm just going based off the image there. It's their plasticy design ... : derelict515
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                        I have no idea what the resale value of their older stuff is, I would assume if they are high it's just d... : mikecyb
                        • Well yeah, I wasn't disparaging their current design, I love my MBP despite it's love of breaking down. T... : derelict515
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                See, I don't know if I buy this. Granted, the only laptop I've owned was a dell that finally imploded(dea... : Adm.Snackbar
                • They undoubtedly have better build quality and design. Forget the internal components. Apple spends cou... : midgetherder
  • no, it means it's BETTER! : valael
• Marco Arment's takedown is pretty good: http://www.marco.org/94597755 All told, the five-year diffe... : sgtsanity
• So it's confirmed: Microsoft invested everything in "advertising". :-P : the archvile
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  You buy a Mac for the software, not the hardware. : Lunatic Angelic
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    For me, both. The hardware is damn nice, not as much from a bullet point of features point of view, but ... : SqueegyTBS
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      They have the best industrial design, but that's a bonus imo, the real reason is the software package. : Lunatic Angelic
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        Well the "real reason" is down to personal opinion. : Bamtan
        • Well, if you're a Nicole Richie wannabe and you need it as fashion accessory to be seen with... yeah, th : Lunatic Angelic
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        I don't believe this is true. Most people just use their laptop for internet, IM, email, and word proces... : orgcaptainnemo
        • I've been feeling this way more and more (about the lack of differences). I guess my computer usage has b... : derelict515
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        Depends on what you do, but outside of Final Cut and Apple software development there is really much that... : Kentor
        • is = isn't : Kentor
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          coda and textmate : sKetchflow
          • Visual Studio and <Notepad2/Notepad++/etc>. We could go back and forth all day. It's different for everyo... : derelict515
  • I'll do what I want! Keep your nerd rules off my body! : pres589
  • I've gotten a few for both. So far the first generation Mac mini I got my Mom has been quite reliable. I'... : dmason
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  It's a {computer, game console, media distribution method}. That someone else buys. With their own mone... : Amadan
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    Um, it's by Microsoft. Who profits with (nearly) every PC sold. They are trying to increase market share.... : ArcKnight
    • The chatty has moved on, but my comment was not to the OP, but to the rabid responses to it in the thread... : Amadan

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  I really slap my forehead when you post. I still love you though. : devi| dog
  • You can bet that whatever decision the shack makes in a majority (WoW, Xbox 360, etc) I'll make the oppos... : Visceral Monkey
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  WOHD, VALKYRIA CHRONICLES, SF4, AND FLOWER : My Documents
  • Flower : LoioshDwaggie
  • ++ Valkyria Chronicles Also Uncharted and check out PixelJunk's stuff on PSN : carbontree
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    Valkyria Chronicles is the best game of this generation so far. : cetra00
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      does anyone have any info on a sale on this game that someone mentioned in the last couple of days? someo... : chrisschutz
      • http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?Product_ID=4058 I picked the free shipping option ... : roushimsx
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  Uncharted, LBP, Wipeout HD. : ieGod
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    Wipeout HD Valkyria (if you like that type of game) and Motostorm. : LoioshDwaggie
    • http://tiny.cc/1vOI0 : My Documents
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      Motorstorm over Wipeout? Hahahaha : grendel
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        Never been a fan of the Wipeout series. The controls are too floaty for me, and I don't like vehicle comb... : LoioshDwaggie
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          Then why don't you reply to the OP with your suggestions rather than knocking on others? : My Documents
          • A combination of yours and ieGod's lists is the best answer, minus 1 from each. : LoioshDwaggie
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      You crossed out Wipeout and recommended Motorstorm? You're so dead to me. : ieGod
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        Reasoning: http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=19638664#itemanchor_19638664 Obvious, I'm still pining ... : LoioshDwaggie
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          Actually F-Zero sucks compared to Wipeout. : ieGod
          • You said something about syrup and I see no syrup. All I see is a loser. : ateam311
          • this is like arguing over whose shit smells better : dantastic
        • Wait, an N64 guy saying SNES F-Zero is unmatched, in turn dismissing FZ-X altogether? This is why your op... : My Documents
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        I agree with you in this instance. Motorstorm was so painfully uninteresting. Wipeout is rad. : mittense
        • Yeah it came with my PS3 and I tried to like it, I really did but it wasn't any fun to me. What's fun... : pyide
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    Rent uncharted. : DarkWolf5
    • Yeah, play it once and you're good. : Sailor of Fortune
    • This is a good answer. : obiquatro
    • You'll probably have to rent it again before Uncharted 2 comes out. 1 playthrough is never enough. I'm ... : treefingers1
• I only have 2 right now and those are LittleBigPlanet and Uncharted. Both are excellent. : Begawkiness
• Street Fighter 4, LBP, Uncharted, MGS4 : Judecca
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  killzone 2 street fighter 4 (if you haven't bought it already) resistance 2 for online co op and some ... : Break
  • uncharted definately and if you have a lot of friends to play with, LBP esp girl ones ratchet and clank... : Break
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  Metal Gear Solid 4, Uncharted, Resistance 1/2, Heavenly Sword (Rental), LittleBigPlanet, Killzone 2, Rat... : manlyman
  • Also, if you don't even own a 360 then there are TONS unless you played them on PC like Fallout 3, BioSho... : manlyman
  • Ratchet & Clank Future is badass. I love that game so much. : walker270
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  MLB09: The Show. : Deathlove
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    did you buy a PS3 and/or the Show yet? : cltcprd
    • between yesterday and tax day i'm spending over twenty thousand dollars so, no, not until this summer : Deathlove
  • I just got a PS3 for this game and it's awesome. Easily one of the best baseball games I've ever played. ... : royalally
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  If you own a 360 you've probably played all the good multiplatform games. Otherwise, Valkyrie Chronicles... : jingletard
  • No 360, it died and I'm replacing it with a ps3. : Visceral Monkey
• I'm about to pull the trigger on this gun I have pressed against my forehead. What are some must have que... : voodooraze
• Save your money just in case the financial planet hits the mountain! : orgcaptainnemo
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  I don't own a PS3 but nobody recommends Killzone 2 yet? : Skoal^Fyfan
  • Break recommended it already. : kazanma
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    I haven't played it, nor am I interested after all the reviews which is why I didn't recommend it. I dunn... : LoioshDwaggie
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      what did you not like about the 8's, 9's and 10's it got?? : ihya
      • I read the reviews, not the numbers. They all said 'common shooter elements, common, mundane' and such. S... : LoioshDwaggie
  • It's alright but I don't think it's worth its price tag right now. : ieGod
  • Better off getting COD4 : Sailor of Fortune
  • I think it's good, but you have to be keen on multiplayer (or single-player replays) to pay full price fo... : Postal
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    best console fps mp out there imo. : bafrad
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      You like it better than CoD4? I like both about equally, although I think KZ2's "experience" or whatever ... : Vincent Grayson
      • it does blow, and it gets boring having to use one of the two assault rifles for awhile, but once things ... : bafrad
  • Yeah, I'm thinking this is a must. : Visceral Monkey
• PixelJunk Monsters & Eden, Super Stardust HD (in addition to what others have mentioned) : Vincent Grayson
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  Metal Gear Solid 4 is still the single best action game I have ever played. Even if you hate or are unfa... : walker270
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    MGS4a is worth replaying so that's got to be my first pick. : Pneum0
    • The only thing keeping me from replaying it right damn now is the rumor of them adding trophies. It's not... : roushimsx
  • No matter how much this game gets recommended, it won't be enough to do justice to how unbelievably AWESO... : treefingers1
• PJ: Monsters, MGS4, Little Big Planet, Jak and Dexter : kainen1
• Both \m/otorstor\m/ games. : SlamDunk
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  NINJA GAIDEN Fuck yeah! : Cliffzorz
  • A must buy on any platform. I already owned the original and Black, got this too because why the fuck no... : kallanta
• When FF13 is released in NA it could very well be on both the 360 and PS3 at the same time, you realize!? : jayacheess
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  MGS4, Killzone 2, Little Big Planet, Flower, PixelJunk Eden, Burnout Paradise, Gran Turismo Prologue, Cal... : vtxrider80
  • Follow this ^^^^ : slacko
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  In addition to everything everyone else has been listing: F1 Championship Edition - download the demo ... : roushimsx
  • oh, and GTi Club+ is a fun as hell port of an arcade racer, but there's not a whole lot to it. You'll be ... : roushimsx
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  isn't there a price cut or something? : dissembler
  • Not yet, supposedly not at all :( : Visceral Monkey
• Ratchet & Clank Motorstorm 1 or 2 Pixel Junk Monsters (PSN) Little Big Planet Super Stardust HD (PSN) Unc... : ThomW
• Another vote for Valkyria Chronicles also MLB: The Show Hot Shots Golf Uncharted Warhawk Super Star... : .Jayson
• Ratchet and Clank Future is fucking great if you like platform games and blowing shit up LittleBigPlan... : grendel
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  For these types of threads I throw in Heavenly Sword because it's awesome. : dael
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    And underrapreciated! It still looks incredibly and has the best cut scenes and character animation this... : treefingers1
    • The facial animations were superb. Did you watch the making videos? Andy Serkis was in charge of all th... : dael
• Another vote for both Valkyria Chronicles and Ratchet and Clank: FToD : Adm.Snackbar

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  How do you feel about adding about a quart of oil every week or so? If you are OK with that, go for it. ... : FormerHPB
  • sure why not : maulla
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  the rx8 get a lot of bad rep but really it'll get you more girls than any other car :) http://img6.im... : nova_x
  • What year do you have? : maulla
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    holy crap that sounds like PITA actually. : FormerHPB
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      you develop a routine, it's kind of like a pre-ride walk-around on a motorbike. there's more with a ca... : cpt_gloval
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        what gen rx7 did you have gloval..É : nova_x
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          a gen 1 series 2. it was an '83 GSL (12a with 4 wheel disc and limited slip). i had it dynoed at 113 rwhp... : cpt_gloval
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            that sounds awesome.. what did you move on toÉ i always wonder what car i`ll get next... : nova_x
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              well... i consider rx-7s to be toys, so i always had a daily beater / parts hauler. but i did eventually : cpt_gloval
              • fair enough... i have a feeling i'll always keep this rx8 barring any disaster.. i'll probably get an add... : nova_x
              • dude, i miss that thing. Turbo lag kinda sucked but it was find to drive. : radicus
    • seconded, wtf : Dravenport
  • looking at my post i`m obviously still in love with my car lol.. but really i still am... 1.5 years...... : nova_x
  • heres another thing you want to look into: insurance the rx8 counts as a 1.3L 4 door car -- my insuran... : nova_x
  • wtf : Lunatic Angelic
  • wait, what? why? : virus
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    Does the dealer give you a list with this info or something? I have to assume this would be a HUGE red f... : FormerHPB
    • did a lot of research.. mainly at the rx8club.com enthusiast site before purchase the rx8 isnt a camry... : nova_x
    • for what it's worth, it's not good for any car to short trip it. i let my truck warm up before i shut it ... : cpt_gloval
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    I always wondered why nobody used rotary engines when they were so good in theory, now I have a clue : Luminair
    • I think it's due to the $$$ in research dropped into piston engines. Although I hear they are pretty popu... : dravalen
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      They are really poor on gas as well. That said, I love my RX8 : bipolar
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        ah yes... 350km to a 60L tank is what i usually expect premium is required as well i should add : nova_x
        • its kind of a like a helicopter as well... even if you're stuck in traffic and not moving it'll still tak... : nova_x
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      im assuming mazda possibly has some sort of pantent on them too? or would that be too broad? : chilln
      • i believe it's NSU with the basic patent but yeah Mazda has developed a significant number of patented im... : cpt_gloval
    • both Chevy and Mercedes tried but couldn't come up with anything practical. Toyo Kogyo had the smartest e... : cpt_gloval
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    No car costing under $200,000 should require this much pampering. : riptyde
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      shouldn't it be the other way around? the more expensive the car, the more abuse it should be able to wit... : vikramwillrock
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        tell that to the ferrari owners. : stgdz
        • after 10,000 miles of course : stgdz
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      that's pampering? : cpt_gloval
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        i mean, short tripping any car will build sludge, so you're supposed to avoid it regardless of otto, wank... : cpt_gloval
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          correct you are the joy of revving to a 9k redline is just different than shifting at 5-6k in any othe... : nova_x
          • i'd occasionally get startled by the buzzer. just driving along, press the pedal to overtake this slow-BU... : cpt_gloval
      • Compared to owning a Lexus, yes. : LoioshDwaggie
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    People with e46's don't do this shit, so what the fuck? : ateam311
    • wtf, indeed!! : CrustaR
    • bmws also don't use awesome engines like the renesis so this is an apples to oranges comparison. : cpt_gloval
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      my '04 330ci needs oil every 15,000 miles. : chrisschutz
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        That's pretty good dude. I'm pretty sure you're "supposed" to change it out every 5k leading up to each o... : ateam311
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          which part seems like work? avoiding something that can potentially damage it, driving it like you stole ... : cpt_gloval
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            Don't get me wrong, I'm all about taking care of my cars and what all, but... I don't know. It just doesn... : ateam311
            • i wouldn't say it's the car for everyone. lots of people just want to drive for 5000 miles then take it i... : cpt_gloval
        • Well, BMWs computers test your oil for dirt and viscosity as you drive, and every time you turn on the ca... : chrisschutz
  • Eh...are the 2009's like this? This was going to be my next car.. D: I heard about the 04's-06's havin... : Frozen Pixel
  • there is a semblance of the DROPZONE in you grasshopper : Downforce
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    girls will stare at anything, they have no fucking clue what a rotary is : papaskot
    • And if she does, she's so used to car guys drooling over her she's raised a giant guard and turned into a... : twifosp
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      lol of course but i have to say that most comments i get from random people are either from older guys... : nova_x
      • middle aged women used to chat me up about the 7, about how they used to drive one when it was new and cu... : cpt_gloval
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    Steps A, B, and C don't seem to make sense. Modern fuel injected cars only enrich fuel for a short perio... : Freon
    • as for a: giving it a blast up to redline just coughs any would-be sludge out. a redline a day keeps the... : cpt_gloval
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  http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Reliability.aspx?year=2005&make=Mazda&model=RX-8 like any freebreath... : cpt_gloval
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    That red X is scary, gloval. : maulla
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      theyve extended rotary core warranty to 10 years i think now... it is a little rrodish i suppose in that ... : nova_x
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        how terrible is it in the winter? : maulla
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          its a rear wheel drive car so you'll get all the typical issues w/ driving one in the winter... leaving t... : nova_x
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            How hard was it to learn stick on that thing? I'd be so worried about destroying the clutch. : getfrisky
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              pretty hard... i heard that i would have been easier to learn on a different car i didn't have a choic... : nova_x
              • Not related to this post: How much can you estimate have you spent on maintenance since you bought it?... : Begawkiness
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  this or a gti might be my next car : Mr.SEX
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    more people will stare at this :) : nova_x
    • less attention is better : not work safe
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  Air comes in apex seals go out ;) : stgdz
  • boost comes in apex seals go out : xsoulbrothax
• Sounds like a giant hassle to own from what I've read, I'd stay away from it. My buddy has an older RX-7... : jingletard
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  I have a friend who has had one for a few years and still loves it. : not work safe
  • Is it his only car? : Begawkiness
• I wonder if you could find a NSX that could do the same fun engine things for that price. Probably not... : davantalus

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  lololol i never used as1, but as2 wasn't like that : recoilfx
  • this has nothing to do with the language. you could write that shit code in any language. : electroly
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  our C++ codebase is littered with both of these. i think they might not have known you could just put a : electroly
  • This is why everyone should learn functional programming. Well not just this, obviously, but it's very... : uncleanmonkey
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  I'm actually not bothered by #1. Sure, it's more verbose than it needs to be, but it's not crap code. O : action roommate
  • bah, code tag fail. : action roommate
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    Why not? There are two conditional checks, it's not hard to understand at all and if you use a good funct... : MagicWishMonkey
    • Like I said, it's more verbose than it needs to be, but other than a discussion about code brevity, i don : action roommate
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  I think the reason he uses #1 is because he (like I) does not believe in multiple return statements in me... : peter
  • I don't often find the arguments for single-exit-point functions to be very compelling. : action roommate
  • I don't understand that, if your code returns, that's it. The rest of the function does not get executed,... : MagicWishMonkey
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  #1 is usually written by people who have done some Pascal or derivative. It can be a good idea: early ret... : jcupitt
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    i disagree. i use guard checks at the top of every function to validate the input. i return early if th... : electroly
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      it also helps tremendously in reducing the excessive code indentation that results from handling errors b : electroly
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        Exactly! I think we our coding styles would mesh like peas and motherfucking carrots. I'm not really t... : MagicWishMonkey
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          Indeed. http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=19641734#itemanchor_19641734 : action roommate
          • Ahh I think I misread that, I've talked with you about coding enough to know that know what you're doing,... : MagicWishMonkey
        • Oh, and the guy who wrote the first example above has a really nasty habit of kicking off events and vari... : MagicWishMonkey
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        Oh sure, but that's exception handling without exceptions. Anyway, you can always do it like this: //{... : jcupitt
        • oh bollox : jcupitt
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          Right. And what are exceptions? Early returns. : electroly
          • Early awesome returns. : walker270
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            I really have to take your argument significantly less serious if you're only applying your argument to t... : electroly
            • huzzah : action roommate
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              Yes, that's what I said. Early return is fine if you're doing the equivalent of exception handling, but i... : jcupitt
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                not if your code is well organized, if you have multiple 100+ line functions it might be a problem, but y... : MagicWishMonkey
                • It depends how long you expect you code to last I think. A function with a few nested ifs and some scatte... : jcupitt
              • I will agree that in general if I can logically combine multiple returns into one (returning an expressio... : electroly
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              Well exceptions do make it clearer that it can sort of be ignored for the purposes of understanding norma... : uncleanmonkey
              • I wrote several methods earlier today with early returns, they would only return early if the value was 0... : MagicWishMonkey
        • If you run into a null reference or something like that do you let your code continue executing? I hope n... : MagicWishMonkey
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      It depends what you mean by arg validation (is this more like an assert, when you are checking the sanity... : jcupitt
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        i use early return for all errors. i always, as a rule, return immediately when i know i'm in an error c... : electroly
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          Which is the smart thing to do, since you stop executing code when the error happens. It's easier to prev... : MagicWishMonkey
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            yup. it's just good defensive programming as far as i'm concerned. : electroly
            • it's the only sane option, there are no other options if you encounter an exception state and don't throw... : MagicWishMonkey
  • Early returns are great because they cut down on unnecessary CPU load, if you return when you know the re... : MagicWishMonkey
  • Technically in the case of #1, he doesn't need the if statement at all (if that's the entire function). ... : Arcanum
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    I don't agree with this. I don't see how it's "sloppy thinking" at all. And like electroly said, when ... : action roommate
    • I guess I wasn't clear. I'm talking about multiple OK exits. Multiple fails are OK, that's what exception... : jcupitt
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  That's nothing. We've got a developer who doesn't understand the concept behind **LIBRARIES**. She co : walker270
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    Wow that is pretty terrible, I can't believe you guys haven't let her go or put her in a different positi... : MagicWishMonkey
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      I work for a company that's absolutely retarded when it comes to software. When they lumped software des... : walker270
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        Wow... it's really fucked up that you're a C++ house. When someone fucks up bad with C# or ActionScr... : MagicWishMonkey
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          We're mostly a C house. I've been driving a lot of the move to C++. : walker270
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            That's even more painful :( : MagicWishMonkey
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              Here's another: We have a new release coming up that adds a significant amount of functionality to our... : walker270
              • You should move to Dallas if you get the chance, there are a tons of software companies down here that ar... : MagicWishMonkey
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            Dude, if you have people like her working there, you should probably stick with C... C++ can be more p... : uncleanmonkey
            • If you re-write your commonly used libraries over and over again you're going to see a performance hit (I... : MagicWishMonkey
            • It's one person. The rest of the developers working on our current build are fine (and it would have bee... : walker270
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  I dont know shit about code, but if he did } // end function fadeOutBtn2 would that be so bad? esp i... : epit
  • At this point I'm a firm believer that if you need to spell out the end of a function like that, then eit... : walker270
  • If you use a modern IDE and comment the ends of your functions like that, you are one anal-retentive bast... : action roommate
  • Yes it's bad because I know where the end of the function is, adding extra comments is a distraction and ... : MagicWishMonkey
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  welcome to software, where 95% of code written sucks, including your own. : MikkleThePickle
  • Yea, you're right. Very few things bum me out more than looking at some of my older code... running acros... : MagicWishMonkey

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  EAST COAST: FULL Let's talk scheduling. I'm thinking I'll be ready to go the week of the 19th. Let's... : zebosausamite
  • I am excited to start. I would like to preface that I filled out the survey, but this week is not reflec... : amrbean
  • Updated. : Ride-My-Rocket
  • 1d8 + awesome : Wadmaasi
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    Since we all voted, does that mean we can settle on the Tuesday? That works best for me actually. : amrbean
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      Let's plan that first session for Tuesday the 21st at 7:00 PM. : zebosausamite
      • It's on my calendar! : amrbean
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    This just in, I have our second adventure picked out. : zebosausamite
    • When you say "adventure," I say "woohoo!" : Wadmaasi
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  Would you guys be willing to do brief story writeups after your sessions? I loved to read about your wack... : silent prophet
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    I'd be willing to look into recording it, like a podcast, if my fellow adventures are ok with it. Is tha... : amrbean
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      You can record using vent, so it should be easy to turn into a podcast. : hbalce1
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        I don't know what VoIP option we are using actually. : amrbean
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          But regardless, I am volunteering for this duty if it is something we decide to do. I am willing to take... : amrbean
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            We're going to use Vent, and I may host (FiOS and all). Read up on how to record it and I'll happily do ... : Wadmaasi
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              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHbKvF9Khpg : amrbean
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                Thanks! : Wadmaasi
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                  That sad, I don't think the host has to do it. We'll test it out sometime this week if I see you online.... : amrbean
                  • I'd MUCH rather you do all the work. =D : Wadmaasi
  • I'm actually hoping to scribe the adventures into vignettes. : Wadmaasi
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  WEST SIDE to side We are FULL The list of players is the following: OverloadUT (DM), hirez, hama... : hbalce1
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    That's an interesting house rule. I've noticed that while the play goes faster in 4e, usually there's mor... : c0bra
    • OverloadUT talked more about it in a thread a few days ago if you are curious. : hbalce1
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      Yeah, I've been playing every week since release so our group's characters are all level 6. We've seen ou... : OverloadUT
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        Intriguing. I may have to try that out if I ever get to run my game again :\ (we have 3 different games t... : c0bra
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          I like them a lot in theory although I have run very few of them. I think your best bet is to read the se... : OverloadUT
          • Yea I've read the Ruling Skill Challenges articles and they're OK but still a little sparse :\ : c0bra
  • woo! : hamachi
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    Vincent Grayson is officially the first person to send me a character! : OverloadUT
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      SM me your email and I will send you a file tonight. : hbalce1
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        via pdf I assume? : hamachi
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          I was just going to send the character creator file. : hbalce1
          • OverloadUT@gmail.com : OverloadUT
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    i know. I know. I need to figure out what I want to play. got busy yesterday. will figure it out today. : hirez
    • Life is not an excuse to neglect your gaming. : hbalce1
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  CENTRAL: full as well Alright so here's the deal. After chatting it up with some of the other DMs in t : c0bra
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    That's cool with me. I'll go for a Shifter Shaman for sure. I just need to know when we are going to st... : melkore
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      Let me throw up a doodle: http://doodle.com/rr438vxpdtcki4au Prospective dates. We had talked about do... : c0bra
      • As far as I know, they all work for me. : Totenjaeger
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        I'll have to catch up on Chuck and Heroes on Tuesdays but that works : melkore
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          Try being me. I watch four shows on Monday. : Totenjaeger
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            There's this little thing I like to call TiVo : Goncyn
            • I enjoy my TiVo as well. Otherwise how could I watch two by two shows on one night. : Totenjaeger
  • I've started statting up a water ganasi barbarian. gonna make him the charisma based kind of barbarian. : Sparticuse
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  Organizers: Have you seen this? http://forums.rptools.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=6276 That is one of fo... : OverloadUT
  • I have not, thanks! Checking it out now. : c0bra
  • I've barely started reading this and it already sounds badass. : Wadmaasi
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    Also: how are you dudes handling your initial module/adventure? Are you doing one that's already been ... : c0bra
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      I will be running exclusively pre-build adventures or even just Delves from that book. The contiguous sto... : OverloadUT
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        To which book do you refer? : c0bra
        • Oh the ''Dungeon Delve" book. : c0bra
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        Man I suck at finding level 1 adventures. Everything I see from D&Di is like level 4 or above. : c0bra
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          Uh, Keep on the Shadowfell? : Goncyn
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            I was hoping for a less... well-trodden choice : c0bra
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              Considering I haven't played it and most of the others in the group don't even own a PHB1, I think you ar... : Totenjaeger
              • Actually duncandun and Sparticuse have played quite a bit of D&D. : c0bra
            • Yeah I am in the same boat. I'd like to start with something else. : OverloadUT
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          Have the party fight a badger or something. An angry badger, if you think they're ready. : silent prophet
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            An angry dire badger. : Wadmaasi
            • whoah let's not get crazy now : c0bra
    • I'm using the starting scenarios from FRCG. It has enough for several small sessions, and they all tie t... : zebosausamite
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  So I finally got my PHB in the mail yesterday. One thing that I still find curious is the action points m... : hbalce1
  • When you wake up in the morning, you always start with 1 and only 1 action point. You can spend 1, and o : Wadmaasi
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    You get one action point for every two encounters. Only one action point can be used per encounter and, ... : amrbean
    • Yeah, it's very easy to overvalue action points and be too afraid to spend them. The bottom line is if yo... : OverloadUT
    • and a particularly tough encounter might count as a milestone by itself (but there is a good probability ... : stgulik
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    Action points get used frequently. I personally like the warlord ability that gives a bonus to hit when a... : Goncyn
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      I was going to go with the inspiring build, but this is good information to chew on. Thanks. : hbalce1
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        The other choice, the one that gives (temp?) hitpoints when you use an action point, is good too. : Goncyn
        • It's regular hitpoints and yeah it's very good. The Warlord in one of my groups uses that and it essentia... : OverloadUT
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  Sigh...I really wanted to get down on this. Is there some sort of waiting list? : sans-serif
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    Yes there will be. I am sure not everyone will be able to make it every session so I would like to have a... : OverloadUT
    • Ok, please throw me on there. Let me know if you need my real info. (name, e-mail, etc. ) : sans-serif
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    Anyone is free to start another sub-thread and get a second group going. East, Central, and West were ju... : zebosausamite
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      Slacker Relaxed Poster Group Get your stuff together here. : hbalce1
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        If you were left out and still want to join a shack D&D game, please post your time zone, weeknight/weeke... : Goncyn
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          I'm west coast, weekday would be best, any frequency (weekly, monthly) : sans-serif
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            what's the earliest you would want to start a session on a weeknight? : Goncyn
            • Um...6pm MST? : sans-serif
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        Where are all these supposed left over people? Reply to my post post haste! : Goncyn
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          Dude, they're lazy. That's why they are in the "left over" category. :) : silent prophet
          • Apparently. : Goncyn
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            Actually I think it's the opposite. They're busy enough that they don't have time to read threads about D... : c0bra
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              I'm trying to give an opportunity here! haha : Goncyn
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                I'm here! : sans-serif
                • I see you! last afternoon bump, I'll try to post something in ER tonight if I can : Goncyn
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  Forum? Do you guys want me to set up a forum for all of the groups to use? I figure it will be necessary ... : OverloadUT
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    I think a forum would be good for posting static information like required downloads and recordings from ... : hbalce1
    • ^^^ I was going to say much the same thing. : Wadmaasi
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      Yeah, sounds good! Can we get a DM section too? We could get some advice, suggestions, share experience... : zebosausamite
      • suggestions... on how to best kill off our players... (MUAHAHAHAHAHA *ahem*) : c0bra
    • I agree. The forum would be for more permanent information. I'll set it up. : OverloadUT
• Is that the daily power "Inflict Anal Fissures"? : Ride-My-Rocket
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  Can anyone recommend a good USB mic or USB headset? I don't have one, but I want to get one before we sta... : Vincent Grayson
  • Plantronics usually makes reliable and inexpensive mics and mic'd headsets. : hbalce1
  • Yeah I should get one too as the one I use for voice chat in games is pretty low quality. : OverloadUT
  • I got a cheap Logitech one for work a year or so ago and it works great. Whatever the cheap one was they... : zebosausamite
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  I think you are all missing a big oppertunity with this: The Guild of Curio Recovery. Or something si... : Cottc Cid
  • Interesting idea, but I think just getting the groups going should be the immediate goal. Once people get... : hbalce1
  • Guild of Curio Recovery, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Acquisitions Incorporated? : Wadmaasi
• Let me know if any of you need a vent server to use. I have one setup and will gladly create channels for... : happynoodle

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• bump! : Dschinghis Khan
• Not enough dicks, I'm going to read a book instead ... about dicks. : midgetherder
• Might get my gf to play. Shes not a shacker though! >:) : chungathebunga
• I might not be there, I have been sick as a dog this last week : .Jayson
• probably won't be able to make it again, but i'll try! : AlexXdude
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  I shall be there, I don't know about this bag of dicks malarkey though Khan. : Arctic Fox
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    blame smegmar(MrBlarg). : Dschinghis Khan
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      hahahaha I only just saw that, you got owned! For everyone who also missed the important announcement: : Arctic Fox
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        that was so hilarious strangely it didn't seem that out of place coming from Khan : .Jayson
        • Yeah, got your name wrong and didn't specify a time. IT WAS KHAN!!!! : Alco23
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  i miss this everytime here lately... just have been busy or tired lately. i need to get my no 1 status b... : flubba79
  • Something like that because AlexXdude came on later that night and stat whored until he was on top again, : Arctic Fox
• I am going to slay all of you. : hirosushima
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  Emphasis on Shack please. : Chepito.
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    what are you trying to say, chepito? : AlexXdude
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      That it should be shackers that play in the shackbattle. : Chepito.
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        ...and about 95% of people that play are. : Arctic Fox
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          5 is enough to prevent more awesome people from playing. : Chepito.
          • 1 person out of 20? I think we've got far more to worry about than that. And since the Thursday Shackbatt... : Arctic Fox
          • Since I have found out that this was more of a problem last Saturday, we'll start kicking non-shackers if... : Arctic Fox
      • How many non-shackers were playing last time? It's kind of hard to tell with everybody changing their na... : .Jayson
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        fine we'll change the damn password then. : Dschinghis Khan
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          Just use your admin-abuse stick to kick or ban. : Alco23
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            it'll just be easier to change the pass : Dschinghis Khan
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              But if Shackers are giving out the pass to non-shackers, we're back to square 1. : Arctic Fox
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                yeah, you're right, with a little more thinking, i think it will be easier to just drop the banhammer on ... : Dschinghis Khan
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                  Drunk Khan doesn't recognize anyone so he bans the entire server including himself. :P : Alco23
                  • fucking lol! : Dschinghis Khan
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                  Didn't think you'd need much encouragement for admin abuse Khan ;) : Arctic Fox
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                    Ar..Arc..Arctic Fax? who the fuck is this weasel? BAN : Dschinghis Khan
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                      Fax Fox fuck it, i'm getting drunk early : Dschinghis Khan
                      • hahahah : timaste
                      • never change khan, never change : timaste
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    ADMIN ANNOUNCEMENT Shackers get preference for slots! If the server is full and there are non-shackers... : Alco23
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      So would it be preferable that people use their Shack name in game yes? : Sailor of Fortune
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        well you can change your name maybe after the first couple of rounds or something like that. Because i li... : Dschinghis Khan
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          I love these arguments. It means our shack battles are popular!! : chungathebunga
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            (and by ours I mean you guys because all I do is show up, kill Khan like 20 times, get a bunch of flag ca... : chungathebunga
            • Yeah, all you do is get all the server awards then piss off. Seriously. : Arctic Fox
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              oh like killing me that much is that hard, i have the most deaths on the server. : Dschinghis Khan
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                Hahah that is true. Khan leads the way with 1,381 Deaths. But that's because you also lead the server ... : Alco23
                • Finally looked at the stats, rocking 9% accuracy! Woo! : timaste
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  Will there be less bell dinging this time? : Sturm08
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    That was glorious. : mrvandelay
    • Truly. I was laughing so hard when Foxhawk got slayed for ringing it, when in fact he was actively preve... : gnomish
• I will be there! Can we not play the belltower map this time? :-D : vile
• I'll pass tonight folks. I'm going to the Sharks game. : Sailor of Fortune
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  'might show up for some linoleum ripper action : Foxhawk
  • I need to get that achievement, think I'm only about 50 kills off... : Arctic Fox
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  Steam should sale this for 5 bucks : kainen1
  • lol $10 is breaking the bank huh? : Arctic Fox
  • You need to start applying principles of depreciation to your games. Use either straight line or unit bas... : Sailor of Fortune
• THIRSTY THURSDAY HELL YA! I will do my best to attend this nonsense! : .frame
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  Get some. : timaste
  • Just going to play at work this time. Experiment at home last week worked except for the fact my connecti... : timaste
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  Evening McLargeHuge bump : Arctic Fox
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    Punt Speedchunk! : Dschinghis Khan
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      Masked Vandalay! : Arctic Fox
      • Hans Shoveler? : H@rvester