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• Actually...thats the game. Enjoy. : Jinxplayer
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  should've joined a corp with Shackers :-( Join the channel Shacknews in game and say hi! : zerog83
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    Sure will do!!.... How do I join a channel? >.< : Clasifyd
    • on the left side of the UI there's a button that'll say "channels and lists" when you hover over it (or i... : MisterPhoton
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    what this zerog83 said. Come join Photon Ventures Inc, the best Empire corp around! : MisterPhoton
    • ^^^We will totally help you out. : ejectorpod
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      hijack I've moved to Nonni to do higher quality level 1 Home Guard agents. What standing are we shoot... : r_picmip 5
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        if we could get everyone there, yes, it'd be awesome, especially in ~9 days when I take delivery of my ne... : MisterPhoton
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          You should name it MY CHILDHOOD so you can go around to systems singing "HAVE YOU SEEN MY CHILDHOOD?" : ejectorpod
          • if I wanted to do something like that, I'd name it MY PENIS or MY BASEBALL : MisterPhoton
        • Are you going to probe wormholes with your Willy? : r_picmip 5
        • Oh and that's pretty awesome :D The Orca is a nice looking ship. : r_picmip 5
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  are you doing the tutorial or any of the tutorial agent's missions? You'll get tutorial aids that way ... : Sailor of Fortune
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    Yeah, I've been following them around, and I got put on an 'Epic arc', whatever the fuck that is, so I've... : Clasifyd
    • The trash should be sold or reprocessed. The ships should be pretty easy to sell. : hawkeye
  • Tutorial aids? Is that anything like Space AIDS? : waxthirteen
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  Find some way to make money and do that endlessly forever. Alternatively, go mow lawns and buy isk. Mak... : Sambula
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    What's 'podded'? I see that everywhere, and have no idea what it is. : Clasifyd
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      its when someone blows up your pod. From the user manual: Podding is the act of destroying a player's ... : MisterPhoton
      • Make sure to update your clone when you are podded (up the skill points that it 'protects' to more than y... : loboca
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  lots of EVE hate >:( http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=2_21&page=5 http://www.eve-tribune.com/i... : ejectorpod
  • Also, make sure to get EVEMON and Eve Fitting Tool (EFT). Very useful tools. with EVEMON you should sta... : ejectorpod
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  The guides on this site (right panel) are required reading: http://hammer-eve.blogspot.com/ My sugg... : r_picmip 5
  • Yeah, they're just a couple of guys... one guy stuck up my warp drive when I was in some low sec area try... : Clasifyd
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  So, is solo mining actually a profitable venture? : Clasifyd
  • to an extent. It becomes markedly more profitable when you have a second account or a buddy hauling your ... : MisterPhoton
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    Just don't get lolcanflipped. I've done this to so many people it's kind of sad. : kpxkrnjc
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      That does sound pretty nasty.... What is it? : Clasifyd
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        where someone comes over to your jettisoned can full of ore, creates one next to it, then drags your ore ... : MisterPhoton
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          Ah, right. Speaking of mining, are asteroids the only things you can mine? : Clasifyd
          • You can mine moons which provides massive amounts of income, but that's done automatically by Player Owne... : kpxkrnjc
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            you can also mine ice fields and can harvest gas clouds. Ice is used to power player-owned stations and j... : MisterPhoton
            • UncTom was harvesting gas (lol) over the weekend. Never got a final profitability number out of him tho. : loboca
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              I'm assuming ice and gas are all in low-sec space, though, right? : Clasifyd
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                not gas, I think its only w-space (?) but ice I believe yes. : loboca
                • gas can be found in empire space, but probably on the rare side. : JuffoWup
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                  ice is scattered all over the place. There's Ice two systems away from our home system. : MisterPhoton
                  • in a .7, forgot to say that part : MisterPhoton
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          We did this to someone in a Hulk. Well we killed the Hulk and he got pissed off. He went back to the ... : kpxkrnjc
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            Can't you insure those things, though? (minus the cargo) : Clasifyd
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              Freighters and Hulks are tech 2 ships so their insurance payout is extremely small compared to the initia... : kpxkrnjc
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                I see, so, essentially, running a tech 2 ship has a high probability of intrinsic loss? Is there no defe... : Clasifyd
                • The defense is to not die. : Goncyn
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                  Tech 2 gives you power, but that power comes with increased risk. : Finestaut
                  • in other words, with great power comes great responsibility : MisterPhoton
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                  and making sure you can afford to lose it before you fly it. : mindfk
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                    No matter how many times this gets repeated, it's still a lesson no one seems to learn in time. :( I w... : Finestaut
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                      its a hard lesson to follow :( there's so many shiny toys in EVE : MisterPhoton
                      • I was part of a corp that actively recruited new members for awhile, trained them, and tried to make them... : Finestaut
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                        I die a little inside every time someone who's been in the game less than a month celebrates because they... : zerog83
                        • Me too :( In my eve kindergarten corp we tried sooooo hard to put pressure on people to not do that. Un... : Finestaut
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                          I haven't even fully figured out my Destroyer. I'm just hoping I'm ready for Cruiser by the time I get t... : hawkeye
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                            Turn that frown upside down hawkeye! You're smarter than at least 2/3 of EVE's population! Celebrate! : Finestaut
                            • I've also already lost my first love and I'm still playing. I'd gotten my Catalyst all sexied up with ... : hawkeye
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                            It bothers me more because people say "I WANT TO GET A BS!" and they spend days training up the skills ju... : zerog83
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                              I gotta stop clicking Post before my thought is complete. The whole "get the bigger ship!!!!11" mental... : zerog83
                              • Hopefully, us posting about it over and over in this thread will at least help shackers from falling into... : Finestaut
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                                Good advice, I agree. I went balls to the walls mining my first trip through EvE and basically Bored Qui... : r_picmip 5
                                • Oh and a "side job" is important. Be it mining, trading, working contracts. You should be doing that st... : r_picmip 5
                              • I don't see how flying around in an interceptor helps my penis size at all. Now a Titan, that makes me... : hawkeye
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                                But there has to be a floor to this as well, right? I mean, for a newbie like me, I'm flying around in a... : Clasifyd
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                                  Only if you want to mine in .5 sec and up, and even then, there be NPC pirates in the belts who can get y... : Finestaut
                                  • Well, yeah, but I have to get out of the Frigate class and through Cruisers before I can get anything spe... : Clasifyd
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                                  If you're mining then getting out of a frigate should be a priority. http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php... : hawkeye
                                  • ^^^^Listen to this and not to me. : Finestaut
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                                    Okay, I've been using this as a loose guide (already fucked it up aparently, since I went Gallente), so I... : Clasifyd
                                    • If you're desperate to get in something cooler in a hurry and don't mind wasting a little bit of time go ... : hawkeye
                                    • While I encourage no one to follow my lead, my character (I'm terrible though, as I've been away for a ye... : Fayk
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                                I think part of it is that people are used to "bigger" or higher numbers being better, as is typical of m... : Fayk
                                • unless they changed it, frigs can do wrecking damage on a BS, so its in their favor to have some way to s... : JuffoWup
                            • Eve shackers listen to these people.... i was lucky when playing that i was pilot better than alot of peo... : ssj4megaman
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                            in my experience the battlecruiser provides a decent solution for a compromise between balancing the "sex... : mindfk
                            • Battlecruisers are the best thing to ever happen to EVE. : Finestaut
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                      unfortunately it seems like half the people that learn that lesson take the occasion to quit the game. : mindfk
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                        Worse than that. See above. We were actively recruiting and training new players, and despite all of ou... : Finestaut
                        • This should be on the EVE faq or something. : hawkeye
                        • absolute truth right here. and honestly, it never stops being hilarious to me. : zerog83
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                Freighers are not tech 2 and can be insured properly : Reptile
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                  Freighters...I mean Jump Freighters are t2 ....needs more spellcheck : Reptile
                  • Their insurance pay out ratio may as well be T2, in case you didn't know. : kpxkrnjc
        • I caught a can flippers before with a sweet little technique... One of my friends' corps was a high-se... : zerog83
        • classic pirate move. >:) : m0rfus
  • it is until you get blowed up and your shit stolen. : jonin
  • High risk, low reward. You can't efficiently mine alone, you need at least one other player to haul or... : Finestaut
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  Hunting people with directional: http://files.filefront.com/BriefGuideToPiracySmallerwmv/;13172700;/filei... : semaphore
  • directional scanner is a very important skill to know if you plan on doing any kind of pvp : kpxkrnjc
  • that's a pretty cool vid, thanks : dael
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  I started working on an updated version of EVE Asset Manager. Requests go in this subthread. : Goncyn
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    dongs : zerog83
    • I would think MisterPhoton would be interested in this. Both dongs and my program. : Goncyn
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    Wait, did you resub? I'll have to check the latest version and see what its got. <3 asset manager, even t... : loboca
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      There's still no newer released version than the one from a year ago. I'm working on updating it though. ... : Goncyn
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        no no, I'll be like, I wonder where I left blah, and he'll be all, uh, use asset manager, and I'll be all... : loboca
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          Oh, right. That makes sense. I remembered him being initially skeptical of its usefulness so I'm glad he ... : Goncyn
          • Reptile, per lobo's comment, if you use my asset manager how come you never bug me about it? : Goncyn
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    I like it the way it is...maybe some wallet integration, if the API allows for that? : MisterPhoton
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      It does I believe. How would you like wallet integration to work? : Goncyn
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        it'd be nice to be able to pull reports of all transactions, then be able to either export them directly ... : MisterPhoton
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          Hmm. I wouldn't mind messing around with that after I get a new version out the door. Just like with asse... : Goncyn
          • it really does, but there's just so much information the game has, it's almost impossible to determine wh : zerog83
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    What is the asset manager and where do I get it? : byorn
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      http://wiki.heavyduck.com/EveAssetManager the database file there is incredibly out of date; there are... : Goncyn
      • on second thought, I'm not going to post a new db file before I release a new app version; it would just ... : Goncyn
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    Request: Mac Version! : g0nk
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      i've considered working on a web-based evemon/eft tool for a little while now since i'm sick of having to... : mindfk
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        i'll suuuuuck yer diiiick maaaannnnn.... really, that would be awesome! : g0nk
        • yeah but from what i understand EVE players are notoriously paranoid and having a web-based skill tracker... : mindfk
      • I was really disappointed that EVEmon and EFT are windows only :( : hawkeye
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      Does Mono run on mac? I need to check that out and see how far away my app is from running on Mono. : Goncyn
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        yes there is a mono implementation for osx but it's very rough. evemon is all sorts of broken on it. : mindfk
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          Is Mono itself rough, though, or does EVEMon just use poorly supported features of it? I think you have t... : Goncyn
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            yeah i don't know which. if you were careful i'm sure you could make things work fine with mono. evemon n... : mindfk
            • I looked at evemon's code once and ran away screaming. : Goncyn
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    Why? Old version worked fine except for the new assets (I assume a new db dump will fix it...just waitin... : Reptile
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      oh, I guess that answers the question I just posted. There are a couple of bugs people have discovered ov... : Goncyn
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        Sounds interesting...pricing would be a nice addition http://www.eveonline.com/community/toolkit.asp ... : Reptile
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          I already have an Apocrypha db. : Goncyn
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            perhaps might want to wait for the official one? :) : Reptile
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              Well, I got it from the guy in #eve-dev who has been bugging me for a year to update the program, he is o... : Goncyn
              • Other than the new db needed, I've been fine with the old ver...comes in handy on occasion when I'm feeli... : Reptile
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  Okay, so I've got several of the same ship due to the tutorial missions (I think they're all Navitas and ... : Clasifyd
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    Yes, keep them. Make different builds out of them with the fittings. PvP, PvE, E-War, etc. Probably no... : r_picmip 5
    • you should load out one for tackling and go to =< .4 and start some shit! good learning experiences will ... : m0rfus
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    Use them to play with fittings, and treat them like backups. Never get too attached to one thing in EVE, because it's always going to get taken away from you.

    Mar 16, 2009 10:55am PDT
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    Use them to play with fittings, and treat them like backups. Never get too attached to one thing in EVE,... : Finestaut
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      Never get too attached to one thing in EVE, because it's always going to get it always has the chance of ... : mindfk
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        I actually prefer my more "hopeless" interpretation. EVE is dangerous. Every time you undock, you run t... : Finestaut
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          true, but in my experience there seems to be a fair amount of things you can do to mitigate those risks. ... : mindfk
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            That's playing smart. : Finestaut
            • honestly it's all due to playing with shackers. as soon as i could fit my drake with something that would... : mindfk
  • I'd keep one spare and either reprocess or sell the others depending on skills (Refining) and needs (vari... : hawkeye
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  Dumb Eve Online Question How are the steps to pvp combat? This seems like such a basic question, b... : byorn
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    1: You don't know. All you really know at first is the ship he's in (right click and show info). You ha... : Finestaut
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      You can have the overview show the name of the ship type, but if you don't know the difference between a ... : loboca
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        lol...that is true. So how do I learn that stuff? : byorn
        • start reading! http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Ship : mindfk
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      So what is the best way to learn about PVP? I know everyone says to join a corp in 0sec, but how do I fin... : byorn
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        I'm thinking the militia stuff might make a decent PVP intro for a newbie. Haven't decided if I'm going ... : hawkeye
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          Our basic requirements for NWS are that you are in a Battlecruiser that can survive 0.0 ratting (Drake is... : loboca
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            Looks like Photon or militia then! I'm a long ways from BC/BS. : hawkeye
            • Yeah, I am close to those, but my funds are nowhere close to being to buy and then cover the expenses tie... : byorn
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              What is the militia? : byorn
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                Faction PvP and PvE in Empire. You join an NPC militia corp for a certain faction and go out hunting for... : r_picmip 5
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                  so does it take place anywhere in empire space and is it one group vs. one group or are you just hunting ... : byorn
                  • It's nation vs nation though you don't have to be a particular race to join its faction, only have high e... : r_picmip 5
      • The best way, honestly, is to start out as a frigate pilot. Learn about tackling; holding down targets wh... : zerog83
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        It's tribal knowledge mostly, you learn by practice, and by association with people who know wtf. Anythi... : Finestaut
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          Are there any problems bouncing between 0sec and +.6sec? : byorn
          • getting there alive, finding someone to run with in 0sec, getting back alive : Goncyn
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            Depending on where, it can be fairly exciting. A lot of wealth flows from 0sec to empire, so a lot of th... : Finestaut
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              What sort of config is a blockade runner? : byorn
              • Transport ship; small cargo hold but really fast to align and get into warp. : zerog83
              • it's a particular ship, a t2 industrial cargo ship : Goncyn
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                It's a t2 industrial ship with a modest cargo hold (in the low thousands), but fast and well armored. If... : Finestaut
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                  How would I get jobs to transport stuff? Via contracts? Wouldn't I get attacked by factions if I am not a... : byorn
                  • You're already smarter than the average courier contract person.... Read where you are picking up/deli... : Reptile
                  • I'm not familiar with doing that kind of work for contracts, but I used it as a cash multiplier for stuff... : Finestaut
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        If you're a goon...go goonfleet! We love our new-bees!! : Caoster007
        • I tried to join last year, but my goon account was turned down so I lost interested. : byorn
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          You need to subscribe to SA to join Goonfleet, ja? : Ride-My-Rocket
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            need to be an active SA poster registered at least three (possibly more) months ago : Majuju
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              I registered a while back, but I think my account has lapsed. If I turn on my account again, should that ... : byorn
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                I thought SA accounts are for life unless you banned and thus have to pay for it to come back. : Sailor of Fortune
                • if you don't use your SA account for a while it gets locked (or something) and it has to be enabled again... : byorn
              • I was in Goonfleet about two years ago, re-subscribed, went through the automated authenticator system wi... : Majuju
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        If you want to learn how to PVP, DON'T join goonfleet. They're terrible pilots. They're funny at times ... : kpxkrnjc
        • ^^^ BoB spy : Clay
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          Haha, your goon hate in EVE threads is always hilarious. I'm curious where you get this stuff. True, I... : Fayk
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            Maybe, one goon is the same as another-- dead. I'm glad they're funny though :D I always feel so alon... : kpxkrnjc
            • I'm ex GBC cooperative : kpxkrnjc
            • It people like you that make me glad I'm goon. You suck. : Caoster007
  • pvp combat initializes when someone with vastly superior range obliterates you. : Downforce
• Every one of these threads makes me want to resub : Thomas Hace
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  So who do I talk to about getting in Photon and where do I need to go? : Clasifyd
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    come to Torrinos VI - Home Guard Logistics Support, click the offices tab, find Photon Ventures, click ap... : MisterPhoton
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      Holy shit that's a hike.... How the hell do I get all my crap out there? : Clasifyd
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        repackage, recycle, sell minerals, buy shuttle, buy new crap when you get there : Goncyn
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          Rgr. Will I actually be able to do missions out there, or will I just get stomped on for a while? : Clasifyd
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            if your rep is preventing you from doing missions, we can fleet up and I can run a lvl 3 or 4 a few times... : MisterPhoton
            • Well, keep in mind I'm still running an Imiscus, so I don't exactly have firepower/shields/etc... That's... : Clasifyd
    • what sec is this? : Thomas Hace
• Yes, its called: JOIN THE GOONS the only reason to do anything in the game is to get money to buy skil... : wimpy1
• "I feel like I'm floating around aimlessly waiting for my skills to increase." - That IS the game right t... : Damodred
• Read this from start to finish http://hammer-eve.blogspot.com : Reeves