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  Bad, naughty, evil Zoot! She's lit the grail shaped beacon! : Simulacrum
  • hahahaha : zebosausamite
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    Spankings for everyone! : felicia
    • and then the oral sex? : rosewood
  • ahahaha : deveus1
  • hehehe : kelzmelzer
  • She deserves a good spanking : avatar_58
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    Explanation for us uncouth troglodytes? : c0bra
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      Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail. Rent it now! : stump
      • yes I merely forgot that scene. It was too perilous! : c0bra
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      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtcSYPjJbgg : -=kodiak=-
      • hahha this is hilarious. I had forgotten this scene : sikander
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    bwhahahhah i was trying to figure out where ive seen that type of dress before. monty python rules ... : -=kodiak=-
    • oh ok there we go : c0bra
  • hahahahahah : filtersweep
  • this is brilliant. : zakazi
  • Awesome post. Haha. : skitfish
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  are we supposed to approve or make fun of him? : askedrelic
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    haha, I don't know either. Good luck to him but I've no idea what to say : sikander
    • I don't know, I'd be worried that this ends up on the local news as a domestic voilence case per the ex-h... : bombay
  • Both. "Good job, dumbass!" : dumb.
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  i like his red hair : Mansmells
  • He's looking pretty pimp. : bombay
• that is...an interesting group of people : nomaad
• um, ok? : Megara9
• I LOVE A MERE EE KA! : Phil
• I bet the ex husband is happy about that. : stump
• daa fuuuuuu? : sparkly
• Shacknews: it let's you post about other sites that get you chicks! : Home Nugget
• That's a pretty sweet deal, he gets to bang a white woman and live in a house someone else is paying for.... : MagicWishMonkey
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  how the hell did he meet a woman on facebook? just send messages to the names that came up when he click... : Lunaran
  • My brother met his gf on myspace, can't be that hard. : ejectorpod
• how on earth do you "meet" someone on facebook? Just random face stalking of people with open profiles or... : marmite
• Does he go to the beach a lot? Cause he's really tan. : voodooraze
• Turn up the contrast! : hashd
• Hope it works out for them : Kaerof

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  From a player: Sitting and waiting while the DM reads is pretty boring. Make a ton of notes and know the... : zebosausamite
  • I always keep a separate notebook just for notes, along with a pad of graph paper just for the maps. : abovedefault
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  A few random tips: 1. Make sure the characters actually have a reason to be together. Random people in... : Fyunch Click
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    Thanks for the post, I appreciate it. I think your first point is very good, and I thought about that. I... : abovedefault
    • Don't worry about describing it. It will take care of itself as you go along. Things that need more or a ... : Fyunch Click
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    This is very good advice. Let me add some more suggestions. 1) Your players should feel immersed in a ga : UtilityMaximizer
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      Oh, one more thing: When planning a murder mystery, or political intrigue, you need to make sure that it : UtilityMaximizer
      • Thank you! I hate when a GM decides to go all Frank Herbert and try and be Nicolo Jr. Most GMs can't, an... : Fyunch Click
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      BLOCK OF TEXT I appreciate it all though. 1) How exactly do you implement this? "As you make your way t... : abovedefault
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        1) There are several ways. As the PCs go to the market, describe the scene. "It's early in the morning, a : UtilityMaximizer
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          These are awesome tips. I am just about to start a campaign of D&D with a bunch of friends and friends of... : Fredrik S
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            Here's another suggestion: Moral dilemmas. In one of my players' favorite sessions, the party is trave... : UtilityMaximizer
            • This was one of my most memorable adventures, especially since we killed off the entire first round of ha... : Dante
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          http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2329/2495708286_b61e59bbae.jpg I can not thank you enough. Especially t... : abovedefault
          • I hope it works out. Here's another idea: Maybe the characters are all at different places in the market.... : UtilityMaximizer
    • About #9, I think it depends what edition you are playing. 4th edition is designed for the players to ... : Goncyn
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      Man, I wish I knew people who ran D&D campaigns. I would LOVE to play one, but nobody I know is into it!... : Vantage
      • I think you would have enjoyed the campaign I ran in Atlanta. Dante seemed to like it, anyway. He had nev... : UtilityMaximizer
      • Some friends and I just use online forums. There are a couple of sites that do random number generation t... : Fyunch Click
    • Oh, one more thing: Random list of names. When the players encounter an NPC they like, they may ask for h... : UtilityMaximizer
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      Do not follow above advice! I get where you are going with this, and I personally agree with you, but ... : Cottc Cid
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        I would never make all they did mean nothing, but it makes for quite a compelling story when you found ou... : abovedefault
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          If you are going to do this, do it rarely. Maybe I just have bad players, but they hate this kind of stu... : Cottc Cid
          • If you do it regularly, if your players keep playing with you, they'll start killing the princess (or wha... : Arcanum
          • If I did it too often, even I would get bored. It is often good fun to just go smash the bad guy without ... : abovedefault
      • Different players like different things. If your players want to do nothing more than be the heroic good ... : UtilityMaximizer
  • You're point about being taken down a peg is a good one. Was in a campaign, evil invading blah blah. ... : loboca
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    what happens when your character dies? game over and that dude has to go home? : dantastic
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      Yes, make him go home. Kick him on the way out. WTF? No, you don't make him go home. Why would ask tha... : UtilityMaximizer
      • i didnt know you could re-roll. : dantastic
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  The players progress through the campaign will be way slower than you imagine. God help you if your group... : silent prophet
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    I guess I should frame it this way: Don't hold back on the "juicy plot stuff". You may never get to it ot... : silent prophet
    • Well, we are playing 3.5: Rules Lawyer Edition, so the game mechanic thing will come up, but we have hous... : abovedefault
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  My friend make up a web of all the people, places and events he wants, then draws links between them. It... : Sparticuse
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    I've though about the web thing, but I doubt it will get that complicated. It would be great for politica... : abovedefault
    • What he does with the web is he will make a list of names based on how many people he wants in the game, ... : Sparticuse
• DO: incredibly awkward sexual tension scenes with hot elf girls DON'T: swashbuckling - who needs it? : woddemandred
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  http://www.dwarvenforge.com/store/home.php : Wombat Woo
  • I wouldn't buy those even if I did have the money. : abovedefault
  • haha holy shit that is awesome and expensive : Goncyn
  • I just built a whole cavern last night out that stuff. We have a weekly DND game and my buddy went a litt... : K0LM
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    If I had the money, I would spend so much on that shit. : Vincent Grayson
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      It'd only take one curious cat or a single caffeine-ridden shaking hand to wreck the whole damn thing. : Rotten Deadite
      • As a side-note, the best mapping product ever made is a whiteboard. Permanent grid art is optional. : Rotten Deadite
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  I know I didn’t get a chance to get back to you on campaign ideas but maybe I can give a couple of ... : K0LM
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    1) That will be the focus of the campaign, trying to figure out what is the best way to balance everythin... : abovedefault
    • 1) That could make for fantastic story. A nice play on a "Fistful of dollars". I think I might have to ... : K0LM
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      Ok so you have a couple of players who are "thags". Thags are pure hack'n'slash, die rolling fiends. They... : Fyunch Click
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        That's what my general idea has been. If I put them in situations where hack and slash won't solve the pr : abovedefault
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          Not really. :( You can, however, establish at the start of the campaign that some roleplaying will be req... : Fyunch Click
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            I think I might make the XP rewards for roleplaying a little higher so they see the benefit of it. : abovedefault
            • see the carrot and the stick approach works! : Fyunch Click
• I remember waaay back in the day when I was writing a campaign. Had a whole city planned out and everyth... : Delaric
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  Question: I have a group of 8 players starting a new campaign (D&D 4th ed). I have not DM'd in a loooo... : Fredrik S
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    IMO I'd start them on the roleplaying first, combat is after all just die rolls and once they have the ba... : Fyunch Click
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      I think this might be the best idea. If it was anything other than 4e, I'd say otherwise, but it's simple... : abovedefault
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        I've been introducing people to the games this way since 1st ed. The only things that changed were from h... : Fyunch Click
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          Not as secondary when the rules for grappling get two full pages to themselves in the Rules Compendium :( : abovedefault
          • my answer: everyone on this world is greased, like pig. no grappling, but makes for interesting reproduct... : Fyunch Click
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          4th edition changes the whole scope of things. They have simplified almost everything while making a HEAV... : K0LM
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            ugh. Well, it's not like I need to worry about it. For variety I can always go back to 2nd ed. :) : Fyunch Click
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              Funny you say that. I was having a discussion with my buddy about what happened to DND. I mean that when... : K0LM
              • Growing up with 1st ed, we used minis. The game after all started as a table top mini game. But they were... : Fyunch Click
              • I have a 3 foot tall stack of 2nd edition books that I'll be running a campaign out of come summer. wee! : unjustend
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    I converted my campaign over to 4e from 3.5e and ran the encounter that WotC released before the books ca... : c0bra
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      http://www.amazon.com/Keep-Shadowfell-Dungeons-Dragons-Adventure/dp/0786948507/ref=pd_bbs_9?ie=UTF8&s=boo... : abovedefault
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        No this was a free packet that they released with pre-made characters and encounters. : c0bra
        • Ah. That's what this had, but it obviously wasn't free. : abovedefault
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    8 players is pretty fucking crazy. And some of them have never played before? I'll go against the grai... : Vincent Grayson
    • The best thing about 4e, imo, is that it really makes combat go faster than in 3.5e. At least when compar... : c0bra
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  Biggest Mistake a DM can make.. never underestimate the idiotic things your players will do. From attempt... : Wyvern
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    That's when the ol' "you suddenly burst into flames" rule comes into effect. : c0bra
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      I always liked having a dragon fly over and poop on them. : Fyunch Click
      • Dude, totally immature. Dragons are intelligent enough to land before pooping on the PCs! : abovedefault
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    One time they burned down a building a monster was hiding in because they knew it was immune to fire :[ : abovedefault
    • hahaha : deject
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    I'm always depressed whenever I read the grappling rules. In the back of my mind I'm driven to create an... : ZTac
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      In our games we had a general understanding that no one would ever try to grapple unless it was absolutel... : UtilityMaximizer
      • They make some sense is certain respects, but they're definitely a pain in the ass. Actually, most every... : Arcanum
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      The size modifiers make sense, IMO. A human just isn't going to be able to effectively grapple a critter... : Arcanum
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        I know they make sense. That doesn't mean they don't depress me. : ZTac
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          Create a psychic character with whatever the enlargement power is. Then you can grapple virtually anythi... : Arcanum
          • "Inyuk-chuk!" : ZTac
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    "You forcefully bear-hug the dragon's foreleg. Now what?" : Arcanum
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      Scramble up its leg, onto its body, up its neck and choke the life out of it like a manly man, duh. : ZTac
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        I was with you up to choking the life out of it. : Arcanum
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          Scramble up its leg, onto its body, up its neck and ride it like a lead guitarist? : Rotten Deadite
          • Scramble up its leg, onto its body, up its neck, into it's throat and grapple the uvula? : loboca
    • the dragon asks the party if he does that to everyone. and then wipes the humping character off it's fore... : Fyunch Click
    • Slam him back and forth on the ground like "Bam-Bam" : c0bra
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    you definitely are wearing your robe and wizard hat again : Downforce
    • ...not to mention the assless chaps. : Wyvern

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  So a company creates a product and wants to sell it for money? What the hell is going on here? : MagicWishMonkey
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    they're holding back content to have paid DLC shortly after release. there wouldn't be backlash if this ... : dantastic
    • Ahh ok, I guess that makes sense. : MagicWishMonkey
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      what makes you know that they held back this content? production plans these days do include DLC (oft... : dahanese
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        this is pretty core functionality d. the timing really gives the appearance that either an unfinished gam... : boring gegtik
        • incidentally I feel the same way about SF4's online matchmaking but since the pack is coming out for free... : boring gegtik
        • We may have to accept that the free patch is going they way of dinos. I bet there's a comic in this :) : bombay
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          i think i'm missing something. first does "a free update enabling the unlockable Mercenaries mode to be p... : dahanese
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            come on, you can't have it both ways. if the argument is that game isn't supposed to have MP, then don'... : boring gegtik
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              how am i having it both ways? resident evil, in this instance, to me, is a single player game. that's ... : dahanese
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                Yeah I have no problem with this because I would never buy it. I see no need to play this game in a Vs mo... : baronzemo78
                • and part of me thinks about what would have happened had they put vs on the disk. i've already heard plen... : dahanese
      • Because it was already on the dvd. : NexusOne
      • But I want an Umpa Lumpa NOW Daddy, NOW. : bombay
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        Because it's already on the DVD Dahanese? Because Capcom has a track record already of having you pay to... : deathofrats
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          i don't get this mindset. so to be acceptable DLC in your mind, it HAS to be developed AFTER release and... : electroly
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            because once upon time game devs provided the full game scope at full game price. If you're going to car... : boring gegtik
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              is this a complaint about DLC in general, or the specific practice of shipping DLC on the disc? : electroly
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                if they don't put it on the disc then they have to pay for bandwidth cost. : jayares
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                  it would increase load times downloading all the custom stuff one person bought but their opponent didn't... : qwpeoriu
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                    yeah, putting the DLC seems beneficial to me. i don't at all understand people's issue with it : electroly
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                      *putting the DLC on the disc, i mean : electroly
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                        If they are getting on the disk, why not actually include it as part of the normal price since you know i... : Chod
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                          presumably they like making money, and the DLC was part of their moneymaking strategy for the game. it's... : electroly
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                            it just kills me that they could just hold onto their content for awhile and put it on their site as some... : electroly
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                              Ignorance is bliss as they say. I'm all for companies making money but not nickle and diming me for thing... : Chod
                              • it is incredibly naive to think that all DLC is only DLC because it wasn't completed before the game's re... : electroly
                            • Maybe if they hold on to that content for a few months they could improve it even more and offer more for... : jayares
                            • It's more like, this is on the disc, you've clearly developed/tested it in time for release and every oth... : derelict515
                            • It's like the people who go and buy a physical copy of a game that's on Steam. Then they unlock it with ... : Derringer
                            • Basically everything is already on the disc, but has been disabled until you pay more for it. If you b... : MacemanInTW
                  • good, not only will it cost more for them to supply the bandwidth it will piss people off and fragment th... : jayares
            • this like basically like shareware only you pay full price for the shareware game and then you can buy mo... : boring gegtik
            • I envision a totally sweet day where you buy the engine for $20 but that doesn't do anything so you have ... : Chod
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            no what pisses me off is putting the already finished content ON THE DVD and having you pay to unlock it.... : deathofrats
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              i agree that this method is annoying, but let's say they budgeted their development time to finish this c... : dahanese
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                Listen, as a consumer I don't care about your ability (or inability) to budget for a release. All I know ... : ieGod
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                  i don't think you should care about how the developer schedules things -- that's not your issue and you a... : dahanese
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                    of course it's all perception, that's why people are angry. they have an opinion about what they perceiv... : boring gegtik
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                      fuck, people complain over games like Mirror's Edge or Dead Space that are "short" and thusly should be "... : dahanese
                      • I thought Dead Space's length was perfect. Unfortunately Dead Space's DLC is terrible, probably worse tha... : jayares
                      • It's like you're taking it personally. Relax. It's this kind of feedback that you need to consider, along... : ieGod
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                    I think the rage is more focused on having to pay more for a game than you previously thought. : conandan
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                      but in this case, you bought a game not ever thinking you'd have MP in it. so you bought a game without t... : dahanese
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                        I actually thought there was multiplayer in re5 already : jayares
                        • why? did you ever read anything saying there was or did you just assume because so many games these days ... : dahanese
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              what difference does it make whether they put it on the disc or whether they put it on their website? do... : electroly
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                because releasing the 'extra' content along with the game on the same disk doesn't feel like 'extra' cont... : deathofrats
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                  it's just such a superficial difference. it's going to be DLC one way or the other, so why do you WANT t... : electroly
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                    Because it wouldn't feel like a rip off? Electroly, are you really advocating this crap or are you just ... : deathofrats
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                      i absolutely 100% support shipping as much DLC on the disc as possible. why would you want to wait for t... : electroly
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                        Electrolly, I've already answered you several times and so have half a dozen people in this tread. Lets ... : deathofrats
                        • all of the responses i've gotten so far have been incoherent or arguing a different point : electroly
                        • Actually, no, you haven't. You just restated your original position, which is what he questioned in the f... : uncleanmonkey
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                ultimately it's about this sort of feature set being standard in the box for years at no extra charge. ... : derelict515
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                  let's make sure we're arguing the same things here. you are arguing about this specific DLC in this spec : electroly
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                    I think shipping it on the disc just evokes that feeling. You had it done already, you budgeted time/devs... : derelict515
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                      so will you at least agree that it's totally irrational? "evokes that feeling" and all that. expecting ... : electroly
                      • what is it with people and their emotions, Dr. Manhattan : boring gegtik
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                        But it does align with those things because throughout our game playing careers we did always get whateve... : derelict515
                        • today we also have the used game and rental market to compete with which we didn't in the past so having ... : dahanese
                    • you don't know the facts of how they develop it, though. yes, people still crunch. yes, the DLC is oft... : dahanese
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          Buying the DVD does not give you the right to all of the content on the DVD. Software licenses don't wor... : walker270
          • So then they'll replace the dvd if you lose or scratch it for a nominal cost, since you're licensing the ... : batkiwi
        • i didn't realize it was on the disk and want to know if this statement "The zombie-hunting effort include... : dahanese
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        I know its part of your job to defend the industry and I have no problem with that but will you ever conc... : jayares
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          An Example: Good DLC: 3 free MP maps a few months after release for a reasonable price Bad DLC: 3 fr... : dantastic
          • i don't understand your examples. free DLC is always the best. but for many reasons (and some of them... : dahanese
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          actually that's not part of my job at all. if anything, it's my job to tell people at this company what g... : dahanese
          • FWIW, I like the DLC for Bioshock on the PS3 and thought it was handled well. That's an example of good ... : AndyGoin
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        You're absolutely right a company has every right to decide how to package a game. That doesn't mean game... : ieGod
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          you say that the DLC diminishes the $60 you paid for your game... so RE was SP when you bought it, and wo... : dahanese
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            It has to do with a complete game experience. This episodic content and DLC trend is probably great for t... : ieGod
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              "A complete game experience" What percentage of games do you complete, fully, 100%? As in, do everyth... : walker270
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                100% : ieGod
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                  Bullshit. : sigpro
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                    no u : ieGod
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                      You lack of all 1000 achievement points in the 15 360 games you have played would indicate you don't play... : sigpro
                      • Or maybe I don't own all those games? : ieGod
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              i agree sometimes this creates a divide. for example, MP map packs can be troublesome in a popular MP gam... : dahanese
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                By timing I just mean the announcement of the DLC so close to actual game release. : ieGod
                • hopefully someone on capcom's end is taking notes and figuring out how they could have done that better. ... : dahanese
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            Maybe you need to come at it from the angle of: 60 dollars is a lot of a game. In fact I usually wait t... : unjustend
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              That drives me nuts too. Steam has sales every week for entire games yet almost ALL dlc never changes pri... : jayares
              • I don't think the game industry has quite learned that $60 is not the best price point although it certai... : Chod
            • all commodities go on sale or reduce in price (for the most part.) that statement is applicable across al... : dahanese
        • you're probably going to be paying $70 and probably closer to $80 when you buy the addon not including ta... : dantastic
      • I wouild add, you probably want to be careful about buying games that have DLC if you don't want the DLC.... : Freon
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  OMG $5.00?!?!? Jesus dude calm down. It makes sense considering most people aren't even expected to play ... : two50six
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    and your reply is part of the problem. Its only $1! its only $5! Its only $10! Add it up and it will pro... : jayares
    • The thing is this is where gaming is going. DLC is the new trend. Yeah it sucks that Capcom is releasing ... : two50six
  • sorry but this is bullshit : boring gegtik
• I usually try and defend some of the DLC stuff these companies do (SF uniforms for example) but this is o... : qwpeoriu
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  I guess I don't see the draw of playing any Resident Evil game multiplayer... : walker270
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    honestly neither do I, its not going to be very popular so why bother charging? The only thing they are d... : jayares
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      Why bother caring? Very few people would play it if it were free. No one is going to play it if they c... : walker270
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        because I like games, I like buying games. If I know my money isn't getting what it should then I care. : jayares
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          .. what it should...? No one would give a flying fuck if they charged $60 for this game without this m... : walker270
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            I don't know how wealthy you are but if you haven't noticed on the shack tons of people wait for sales be... : jayares
            • What does wealth have to with this? : walker270
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        people buy games to play multiplayer, it doesnt matter if it's RE5 or gears. thinking nobody or very few... : dantastic
        • Shit, you better tell Bethesda and Bioware that. Ubisoft too, Assassin's Creed didn't have any MP. : ArcKnight
        • do you know how many games out there that have multiplayer and people play them either not at all, or fo... : dahanese
• I mostly agree with you, but if it we pretended that people were getting the base content for a reduced p... : owtwerd
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  Goddamn I fucking hate these threads. The sense of entitlement that people have is just goddamn retarded. : OverloadUT
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    I'm offended by this on its face, but then I realize it's no worse than if they just sold the SP+MP at re... : dirge23
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      That's my problem with it straight up. By charing for this extra mode, only a small subset of those that... : WhatIsThisFor
      • There are two things that bug me about this approach to DLC: 1. Conceals the true cost of ownership. T... : dirge23
    • I would rather pay $60 for SP then decided if I want to pay $5 for MP than pay $65 to get both. Choices ... : TreMetal
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    Entitlement? I would call it more frustration. Gaming is a really expensive hobby and with DLC becoming m... : owtwerd
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      Who fucking cares? You buy a game if you think what is in the game is worth the money. It has always been : OverloadUT
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        you must really hate Valve then. : deathofrats
        • why would you think that? : dahanese
        • Why? I love Valve. : OverloadUT
        • what does this even mean : acheron
      • I'm not arguing anything about the decision making in buying games. If enough people complain or if the g... : owtwerd
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    I don't think it's entitlement as much as fraud prevention. There have been cases like this before where... : spazzium
    • Yeah, I was really irked by Soul Calibur 4 and the Yoda/Vader thing. It felt like what they did there was... : dirge23
    • fraud prevention? "knowingly withholds"? you make it sound like it's illegal. there is nothing illegal... : electroly
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      I still don't see what the problem is. They can charge whatever they want for the game. They decide to ch... : OverloadUT
      • OverloadUT, I'm glad someone agrees with me. : electroly
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        But like everything else, this industry is relative. I hate doing analogies, but let's do an analogy. U... : spazzium
        • i agree with your statement. if everyone started charging $5 for MP that would suck. but i think that thi... : dahanese
        • that model didn't even really work even when games had a LONG life span. remember 1942's expansions and h : Downforce
    • No, it's entitlement. You think you're entitled to features X Y and Z for the price of admission, but in ... : sammyl
• Just dont buy it. : ant_hillbilly
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  In the long run it's what will make games cheaper, and those who play the hell out of the game pay more w... : melt_core
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    What makes you think this will make games cheaper? It's currently serving to make the consumer pay more m... : boring gegtik
    • With the competition there is for gamer's money they simply can't do this whole 'hold shit for the dlc' a... : melt_core
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    No it won't. It's just a new way to fuck the consumer. : capt tripps
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      someday there will be a company that never wants to expand upon the experience of a good product and give... : dahanese
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        two words, Valve and Epic. They've proven that when they release new content their sales go up. : jayares
        • agreed, and they have an excellent, and very unique, business model. not everyone gets to be valve, an... : dahanese
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        Purchased DLC is the worse thing to happen to gaming, EVER. : capt tripps
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          are you sure? might want to rethink that. : Downforce
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            Yes. Put it in the game or put it in and expansion pack. : capt tripps
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              Aren't DLC just that, downloadable expansion packs? : melt_core
              • damn you PRL. you are messing up my check/raise tactic, sir. : Downforce
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                With few exceptions, most DLC isn't worthy of being called an expansion. Would you buy an expansion pack... : capt tripps
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                  Some people obviously do! : melt_core
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                    People that encourage companies to release games early, purposely remnove content, and limit the experien... : capt tripps
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                      is this your perception or something you've heard from someone in the industry? because from where i s... : dahanese
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                        lol : capt tripps
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                          you didn't answer my question. : dahanese
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                            This is exactly what I think. Additionally, I think that publishers don't give a shit about gamers beyon... : capt tripps
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                              i think that every company wants to make a profit and if any employee were hindering that rather than con... : dahanese
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                                Call me old fashioned, but I prefer companies that make games rather than venture capital IP investments. : capt tripps
                                • what the fuck does that even mean? : dahanese
                                • this isn't really old fashioned, just riding the short bus : Downforce
                • they are mini-expansion packs. which is why they cost less than an actual expansion pack. and yes, so... : dahanese
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          I agree. At least with full featured expansion packs, they had to compete for retail shelf space, so a ... : Modulus
          • retail shelf space? doesn't everyone hate retail anyway? everything's going online. : dahanese
    • not even a "new" way. this is pretty prevalent in any company that plans future recurring cash flow. ... : Downforce
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  I hate people freaking out over this stuff without really thinking about why it costs money. Sure it migh... : Evil Benius
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    But that's just it, we've spent decades getting mp in the box because it was budgeted for. A DLC pack thi... : derelict515
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      Hasn't RE always been a single player game? : deveus1
      • Sure. Lots of games have added multiplayer for the first time in a sequel without charging $5 more for it... : derelict515
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      Because it's not fucking finished yet and the game went gold over a month ago? How the fuck do you know t... : sigpro
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        If the DLC is coming out within weeks of release then it was definitely done awhile ago. If Madden releas... : derelict515
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          It's nothing like madden doing that because RE has never had MP before. Also explain to me how everyone k... : sigpro
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            I wondered the same, but you gotta go with data mining/leaks : Downforce
            • I just want someone to point me where in the shack story or on the web that has shown people found this w... : sigpro
          • It doesn't matter whether it's on the disc or not. For the DLC to be ready in a few weeks (as the article... : derelict515
        • You're making some leaps in logic here that are not true in all cases. That may be the case with RE (I do... : deveus1
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      just as an FYI, i would feel pretty secure saying ALL DLC these days is budgeted if not at the start of a... : dahanese
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        Right, that's exactly what irks people though. I know this was planned long ago just like any multiplayer... : derelict515
        • you aren't getting what i'm saying. a game gets X amount of money to be made. they spend X amount, in ... : dahanese
    • Maybe it was not planned for when the original budget for the game was made. They set aside $X to make th... : Evil Benius
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      So the market is evolving, get over it or start a facebook group or something.. : melt_core
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        I'm going to start using this reply any time there's ever a complaint in a discussion about anything. It'... : derelict515
        • You're right, I'm sorry. : melt_core
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      Yes it was budgeted extra for with the knowledge that they could charge for it. If they weren't going to : OverloadUT
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        Is the consumer getting a better or worst value because of DLC? In many cases this seems clear, such as F... : owtwerd
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          why is it murky? because you personally don't value this content as much as the content in Fallout or GTA... : dahanese
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            I think it's a little more murky because consumers are traditionally not used to buying features like thi... : owtwerd
            • Why are you so hung up on the company's "motives?" What does that even mean? Their motive is to make mone... : OverloadUT
            • buying features and add-ons happens all the time. just because the industry changes doesn't make it a... : dahanese
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          does the fact there is DLC even available enter into your value equation? what of games that have none? : Downforce
          • The only thing I'm wondering is if companies now are using DLC as an excuse to charge more, or if they ar... : owtwerd
        • Better. Lots of DLC is small enough that you couldn't sell it in any other form, and then you just wouldn... : uncleanmonkey
    • And during those decades the costs of a game has gone down by a factor of a couple (taking inflation into... : uncleanmonkey
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    Fact is they're releasing less product for the same price, and then charging for the rest of the product. : yacoub35
    • (i mean games in general that release content later on that in the past was generally included) : yacoub35
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      actually no, you are allowing yourself to draw that conclusion since "the crystal ball" is somehow tellin... : Downforce
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        A few years ago, it started with using paying customers as beta testers and patching significant bugs aft... : yacoub35
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          It seems this is what the public wanted. No more "hoping for mods", they'd rather have the life extended ... : Downforce
          • Data-mining makes me think of John Carmack with a miner's helmet and a pick-axe. : ETPC1
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      Fact is the prices these days are the same as they were ten years ago. Do the math, ten years of inflatio... : uncleanmonkey
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        economies of scale. they sell way more games than they do ten years ago : kill9
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          You're still getting more for your dollar for games these days than you ever did in the past. I don't thi... : sammyl
          • Actually the value of the dollar is irrelevant because it affects the consumer as much as the producer. ... : yacoub35
        • Actually they don't. The average sales are much lower these days because competition is so much higher. G... : uncleanmonkey
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      That's not fact, that's your opinion. By your logic, none of the other RE games have been full games, ... : thecray
      • i added a disclaimer when i realized RE games didn't have mp. : yacoub35
  • The problem with gaming and this is that there isn't an accurate way to determine the worth of a game. ... : Modulus
• I want the fuck out of Resident Evil 5 but not only do I not give a shit about a Versus mode, I think it ... : mittense
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  Now that you are switching to renting game, is there a particular video game rental site that you had in ... : deveus1
  • I would probably just go to blockbuster down the street, I don't know of any that would ship in canada. : jayares
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  There are only 2 relevant questions here: 1: Is the game you can play off the shelf worth $60? 2: Is th... : Finestaut
  • But there is a reason to "get uppity" about it. The problem is that you still want the game, you still th... : owtwerd
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  I think the way the DLC was presented (on release day) is bullshit, but otherwise it's still a great game... : jingletard
  • it's a GREAT thing actually, but this is a huge marketing failing. what should be "oh look this game will... : Downforce
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  who the fuck is gonna pay $4 for RE5 DM? it'll just be a bunch of dudes standing in one place, carefu... : gokart.
  • Maybe thats why the concept of standing in place and not moving while shooting is flawed period? : Toth21
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  So many people with an MBA around here. It's stunning. : ateam311
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    I bet they all put "MBA" in their signatures in emails at/for work. : Freon
    • I say this thread should remain buried. : two50six
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  Do you think they'll ever start making cars that come with airbags but you have to pay $1000 to unlock th... : aeg1x
  • Funbags On My Face Drive 100 kilometers : Godhatesfatpeople
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    The ability for a car driver to live is the same as being able to shoot people in a video game versus mod... : mittense
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      that's a bit of a stretch mittense : aeg1x
      • Weren't you making the inane analogy? : mittense
• Most of these console games are hardly worth $50, $65 to include MP, no thanks. : Sixcos
• Maybe I won't buy this game. It's expensive enough already. : NastyJack
• I hate it too but I have bought every costume pack for SF4 :( : lacker
• The rental and used game market is part of why DLC has gotten so popular. So you are just feeding a vici... : semaphore

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  No, but I have played through games a second time just to experience the whole thing all over. : Omaha
  • ditto, but i just can't bring myself to play through a game 5 times to find all 5 possible endings, even ... : vikramwillrock
• Only if it doesn't have any dicks in it. : SockMonkeh
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  depends on the game. In Deus Ex its easy because you can save in a certain spot near the end and use that... : Degenerate
  • but don't you think beyond 2 times, it just breaks the immersion? i mean, when i load up my save to go th... : vikramwillrock
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  Chrono Trigger. Still a superd game. : FuryVII
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    ^^^this : Iwannaacura
    • 10 endings?? I got them all... multiple times... and going for at least 1 or 2 on DS again... : etherboy
  • Agreed. : kelzmelzer
  • ^^^this : DinK
• No, I just watch the other endings on youtube. : baronzemo78
• nope it's easier to look them up on youtube after : dantastic
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  That's what youtube is for! I went to youtube for the Bioshock "bad" ending but I'll probably play it ... : rosewood
  • i had to look for the "good" ending :) good ending sucked tbh : dantastic
• It depends on how much differently you have to play the game to get the different endings. : bcyde
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  multiple endings suck and they are usually shit. Give me one quality ending that is over an hour long (M... : gmd
  • I feel like playing that game again : AlexXdude
• I got every ending in Dead Rising and some other games, but if it's a longer RPG style game I usually don... : Begawkiness
• I'm lucky to see one ending in most games. Playing through them more than once is pretty much out of the ... : rudds
• I'm playing through Fallout 3 a few more times to unlock all the achivements, if that counts. : jingletard
• I've beaten Chrono Trigger something like 8 times and I think I've seen two of its 10+ endings : Sparticuse
• Yes. Using the Silent Hill example, I finished the first game 5 times in a matter of days because I wante... : Sideways Bob
• I used to a lot, I remember finishing each Metroid 4 or 5 times. : stuka
• FABLE 2 : mrvandelay
• King's Quest 6! : kungfusquirrel
• I've done it for KOTOR, Mass Effect, Dead Rising, and Deus Ex 2. : NFXFSX
• I tried so hard to get the Metroid Prime 100% complete ending but gave up and just looked it up online. ... : grabbie
• Mass Effect : Mmmmmoo
• Portal. I know there are not different endings, but my eldest loves it so we play it over and over and ov... : bombay
• I've done it for a few bioware games - it helps if you can get several achievements for a second run thro... : Jonathan
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  Halo 1 (sort of-- I went back to The Maw on Legendary to see the alternate ending) Fallout 1 KOTOR 1 ... : kpxkrnjc
  • I was going to say the Witcher-- but I cheated and just youtube'd the Scoia'tel ending : kpxkrnjc
• Though there have been plenty of games that I've replayed several times, I dont think I actually did for ... : Maarten Goldstein
• Deus Ex, KOTOR, Bioshock... I tried Silent Hill 3 more than once but it started invading my dreams so ... : Rotten Deadite
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  Not since Youtube was created... Did get at least 10 of the endings for Chrono Trigger back in the day ... : kallanta
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    Yeah I "got" all the endings for the Silent Hill games by just watching them on Youtube. Mind you, had... : Rotten Deadite
    • The silent hill endings are so annoying to get, you'll have to look it up in a walkthrough somewhere anyw... : Splinebastard
  • Yeah if it's too much of a hassle I'll just view the other endings on youtube. : buzzbat
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  FF7 : Moonraker7
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    ^^^^^ : Nation
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      Wait, it has more than 1 ending? : Moonraker7
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        If you don't let Aeris die you get a different ending. : ieGod
        • Spoilers! : Moonraker7
        • Fuck that shit! You have any idea how much Phoenix Down costs??? : Rotten Deadite
      • depends if you bone Tifa or not : r3dn3ck
• Valkyrie Profile. : omnova
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  SotN, actually I beat this then found out YEARS later it wasn't even the real ending, dusted off my disc ... : grandmasterlee
  • SotN is somehow my favorite game ever : Moonraker7
• i beat chrono trigger like 30 times to get the different endings : Mr.SEX
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  Did it for KOTOR and Deus Ex 2. : GodZilly
  • I started it for KOTOR...never finished. Sadly, that's the only game that I really felt any urge to compl... : devnullgt
• Absolutely never. I don't replay games once they're done, or only many years after once I've forgotten it... : melt_core
• working on fallout 3 again. not a different ending, but the journey is different! : busdriver3030
• Not anymore. My gaming OCD died 10 years ago. : Ride-My-Rocket
• Only if it isn't a bitch. Deus Ex 1 and 2, Dead Rising. KOTOR I finished twice because it fucking rules, ... : node
• Definitely, some games demand it. IE Stalker. 7 Endings, 3 Horrible unsatisfying endings, 2 decent bu... : Sgt_Boomstick
• I really dislike multiple endings. It robs you of your sense of completion. : SLUDGE^
• Does trying to find all the different and varied ways to die in old adventure games count? ;P Spent WAY ... : genom
• Yeah. Not immediately, though. I often replay games I really liked a year or so later and if they have mu... : Arceihn
• Props to anyone who replies with "Ogre Battle" : Finestaut
• I usually cannot. I always plan on playing through games multiple times (Kotor, Mass Effect, Fables) to p... : Simulacrum
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  i just saved deus ex right before making a decision and then played each one. : mindshot
  • ^ : Marrbe
  • This was pretty much the only one I did. : baronzemo78
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  I've only ever done this with BioShock and Jedi Knight : Home Nugget
  • I've only done it with Jedi Knight : skelom
• Nah, just youtube it. : thejm4n
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  i did it with Stalker, Deus Ex and KOTOR : r3dn3ck
  • and Bioshock : r3dn3ck
  • It was important to do it with Stalker. : Sgt_Boomstick
• Phantasy Star III. Not so much for the different endings, but for the different characters you got in ea... : riptyde
• I have started a second playthrough on several games but rarely finish. : OverloadUT
• i just watch the alternate endings on the internet. : ass-street
• No, I usually reload savegames near the end of the game to do that. : Mad Brahmin Disease
• King's Quest 6 and KOTOR are the only ones I remember multiple endings for. One day I'll replay GTAIV ... : Bull
• Last time I did that was with Maniac Mansion. : freakynipples69
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  Yeah, COD4. Taking out the heli with the RPG to save the bridge was well worth multiple retries. : My Documents
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    Is that actually possible? I thought that RPG was just coded to be wildly inaccurate. : Dontdrop
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      It is coded to be wildly inaccurate, that's why it requires multiple retries - it needs a healthy dose of... : ArcKnight
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        How exactly does the game end if you do that? Colour me skeptical. : Dontdrop
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          There's a video of someone who played it on youtube with an infinite ammo cheat and he didn't shoot down ... : Sailor of Fortune
          • shhhh : ArcKnight
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    I'm surprised another one didn't spawn immediately. I lost count of how many gunners I shipped out of ... : nudel
    • s/shipped/sniped/ : nudel
    • Have you tried thinking with Portals? : abovedefault
  • I managed hit that helicopter maybe 6 times, I guess you need to hit it 7. : Sailor of Fortune
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    there were two endings to that game? what happens if you take out the heli? : maulla
    • It probably crashes on everyone. : Sailor of Fortune
    • Stalin jumps out of it and orders everyone to dance : deviantpaul
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  SH2 pissed me off in that regard. I got the suicide ending because I didn't always heal myself after gett... : nudel
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    Punished? To be honest I always thought that ending was the most fitting. : Arceihn
    • that ending is one of the most saddest and memorable i can think of. : X-GOUKI
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    I might be wrong about this but I think the first time you play SH2 you can only get that ending. : Rotten Deadite
    • Nope. I got the leaves-town-with-Laura ending the first time. : Arceihn
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  minesweeper....still working on it : retardhumper
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CH-Kx2sl9c : sparkly
• I did this for Resident Evil 1 and 2, Metal Gear Solid. : aasyranth
• Most of the time no. If it's a extremely quality game...yes : g0rmanat0r
• Depends on the game. In games where you level and skill up certain things sure. But if it's going to be... : Splinebastard
• I've played a game to enjoy the story again but endings you can just go to youtube or go into the game di... : Shai-Tan
• I used to do that, but I stoped after the dreamcast era. nowdays i find it to more of a chore : X-GOUKI
• No, there's always another *new* game that I more like to play. : MatzL.E.
• Silent Hill 1 was actually the only game I did this for. All endings including the UFO one. God I loved t... : -JLN-
• Super Metroid : digweed014
• I usually only play through games multiple times if there are achievements for it, otherwise I move on. I... : Evil Benius
• Dues Ex!! The original had 4 endings and I wanted to see them all. What an awesome game : duffman03
• Only once-- Max Payne 2 on DOA, so I could get the good ending. I'm a sucker for noir stories. : silentw

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• Oh shit that's why the menu takes so long to load in HL2. I always thought my computer was freezing so I... : Kiyohime
• whats up with ps only :( : podizzle
• My enjoyment of Perimeter 2 is seriously hampered by its god-awful UI. Seriously, it's the worst interfac... : Arceihn
• I hate SEGA and Capcom menus the most. They use the most hideous fonts on them. That's a good point... : ThomW
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  Dead Space's menus/UI were awesome : derelict515
  • This was beautifully done. : ieGod
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    EA does some sweet menus to be fair. Army of Two was nice. I hate shit UI design, clean attractive menus ... : node
    • Other than the Battlefield Franchise, EA really do well when it comes to polish on things like menus and ... : Beady
  • Agreed, very functional and looked great too. : Dontdrop
  • Not very functional though, sometimes I would have prefered being able to click my mouse like a standard ... : avatar_58
  • Best game UI to date, I think. : retarded talking dinosaur
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y8fiQp6j4g#t=0m35s for those who haven't seen it. : ahlee
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  Pup, have you played any of the PSP Wipeouts or WOHD? Studio Liverpool really brought shit back after Fus... : My Documents
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    Oh, and first thing that came to mind when thinking "game with nice UI" was Metroid Prime. :[ : My Documents
    • God, every pixel of that game was just utter sex :( : node
  • I don't have a PSP or a PS3. :( Fusion made me so sad. : pupismyname
• I really have a thing for games which take non-gameplay elements and attempt to mesh them into the style ... : mittense
• Absolutely agree. The lightning fast menus of, say Duke 3D, Blood or Quake are where it's at. : Marrbe
• I totally agree with your comments on HL2. Pisses me the fuck off every goddamn time i start that game. : Xanthos
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  Valve in general is a big violator of the "loading screen for the main menu" rule. I mean, I know L4D's ... : DinK
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    To be fair, the L4D menu background is just a short video loop and not anything in-engine. But when TF... : Beady
    • Lol, I just launched L4D to check this out and Achievement Unlocked: LAMB 2 SLAUGHTER after I quit. I ... : DinK
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  Right click on the game in Steam, choose Launch Options (I think that's what it's called) and in the text... : TickHeadDog
  • but it should be default. nice that there's an option, but its really not good enough : retarded talking dinosaur
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    I did that back in when I played HL2 a lot, but I shouldn't have to do it. : pupismyname
    • At least they allow you to do it, and you only need to do it once. It's a bit of a non-issue, really. I r... : pyide
  • Hmm thanks, I never did this before. : Simulacrum
  • I've always used +map none to not load the menu background level I know -novid skips the valve videos,... : pyide
  • Not L4D. It still loads the background video and the "-console" just brings up the actual console when t... : DinK
• I appreciate the Geometry Wars 2 menus. You can get back into any of the game modes in like 0.4 seconds. : Dave-A
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  For me EA's NHL'0 whatever (mind you I haven't played 09) are the worst possible examples of how to make ... : TinyWoodFarmer
  • At least the NHL games for the past 2 releases have had pretty damn good new features with each release. ... : FormerHPB
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  I probably enjoyed the UI/menu system for DIRT more than the game itself. : MannyM
  • Ooh good one, Codies do GORGEOUS menus that work well. DIRT, GRID, even CMR2 : node
  • Oh yeah, DiRT's menus were fantastical. : shyguy74
• Amen to that rule. You should only be waiting for the GAME; the menu is not the payoff. : Damodred
• What do you think of the Warcraft 3 menu? It is similar to the HL2 menu, except it doesn't take that lon... : dopeman
• I always thought Chronicles of Riddick's menu system was pretty neat. : m0nkz
• C&C Generals was awesome because they did show it off in the menu, but there was also a command line argu... : Fayk
• Wipeout 3 is the high point of the series, fine sir :( : roushimsx
• rip TDR I will always have a soft spot for you. :( : deathofrats
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  That Designer's Republic bullshit sucks huge hairy cock. >:( : Super Sparker
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    As in them going bankrupt. Not them in general. They were the fucking tits. : Super Sparker
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      They weren't able to sustain their vision as a company. It's better that they went under and now somethin... : haiku
      • In interviews Anderson said a major client didn't pay them money owed. Granted that was between a couple ... : Super Sparker
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  One thing I loved about Wipeout was the designs for the companies. They were simple, but for some reason... : Rag and Bone Man
  • That is the brilliance of the wipeout racing team design. They aren't just simple generic companies, they : haiku
  • Wipeout is unmatched design and music wise, wipeout hd is amazing : gmd
• hey what was the name of the game that came with the Panasonic 3DO that was this type of game? : yacoub35
• Dirt had the nicest menu's in some time, also, runner up bonus points for Chronicles of Riddick. : u sir name

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  kinda like the same feelings i get when i listen to his music. : -=kodiak=-
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    fag :( : GloriousCow
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      wow, for a split second i thought i was playing call of duty on xbox live..... instead it's just call of ... : -=kodiak=-
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        are there achievements in that : GloriousCow
        • they are all worth 0gp sadly. : -=kodiak=-
      • That's so wearing a skirt as a top! : Freon
      • do you have a girly voice or do you just suck at video games? : kevp
  • It's ok to be wrong sometimes. : wykd
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    yeah nin becomes pretty embarrassing too when you graduate secondary education : arizona bay
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      Andrew WK, eot. I don't see why people consider his music juvenile. Ghosts was awesome. : wykd
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        Andrew WK is incredible. Ghosts was pretty good, I agree. I just wish Trent could keep his mouth shut... : arizona bay
        • haha : Luminair
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        WHAT? Andrew WK is fucking awesome. dude is brilliant. Did you know he was a member of Wolf Eyes, Isis, a... : wtf242
        • askdaklsd lol : Luminair
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          Holy macaroni. I had no idea about the Current 93 connection. That's mental. And quite fantastic. : A Sponge
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            UPDATE: HEAD STILL REELING FROM FACT INTAKE FFFFFFF! : A Sponge
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              Andrew WK is the most interesting musician that I know of. He's cultivated the personality of being the s... : NastyJack
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                That's brilliant. : A Sponge
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                  Jeez I thought he was wacky enough until I just read he made an album of covers of Japanese pop songs (li... : NastyJack
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                    He sounds like a musical superhero! I now feel bad for thinking of him simply as 'that Party Hard guy'... : A Sponge
                    • Thats pretty much how I think of him as well, and I hated that one. I really didn't have a clue that he'... : MacemanInTW
        • yep, the guy is amazing. have u heard his new japanese pop covers album? : arizona bay
        • he was not in Isis. : deathmuppeter
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        it's not that his music is overly terrible. Some of it is quite listenable. i take more offense to him : -=kodiak=-
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          on a scale of 1 to 10, where 5 is fuck him in the ass, how hot is trent : Luminair
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            new trent or old trent? : ArcKnight
            • if you want to differentiate, lets go ahead and get ratings for both versions : Luminair
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            hmm.... tough question. im going to say a 3. little make out, maybe some groaping... and id walk ou... : -=kodiak=-
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              you are such a user : Luminair
              • i like the phrase 'opportunist' personally. : -=kodiak=-
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          Where do you get the hypocritical stuff from, or the being "alone" part? : wykd
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            well considering the catalyst for all of that was him bitching about the price of his cd's in australia, ... : -=kodiak=-
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              I don't think you've listened to any of his interviews... He realizes he is in a special position, and r... : wykd
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                when all that went down he sure as shit didnt say it then. that's the point. : -=kodiak=-
                • I don't really see what your point is, but ok. : wykd
            • He did what he had to in order to get heard. He's not successful because of his record company. He's su... : midgetherder
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              What are you saying he should have done? Released his albums on the Internet back in 1988? LOL I presu... : nudel
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                ... like KMFDM did? ooooh snap... ouch. : -=kodiak=-
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                  In 1988? I'm gonna need a citation! Do you hate Valve as well? Do you hate every artist or creator ... : nudel
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                    and valve has absolutely 100% nothing to fucking do with any of this, outside of your dumb lame sweeping ... : -=kodiak=-
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                      Eh? Valve published their stuff through Sierra. Then they went and published it themselves on the Inte... : nudel
                      • And, in fact, KMFDM got repeatedly dicked around by Metropolis and started shopping for some other way to... : DianeOfTheMoon
            • "he became mainstream" haha, I was surprised it took this long. : Godhatesfatpeople
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          what hypocrisy have you seen regarding record labels and what he's doing as far as music releases go? I c... : Modica Sol Solis
          • I like my music heard through the corporate filter, thank you. : alexthegreat2
        • Q_Q : Godhatesfatpeople
    • The new stuff isn't nearly as emo as the old stuff. I just don't take the old stuff seriously anymore. : ArcKnight
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      i feel this way too, he's not terrible just so fucking over rated. : disembodied potato
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        I don't see how anyone could consider him overrated after listening to TDS, Fragile, Still, or Ghosts. : wykd
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          You have suggested that these albums transcend all barriers of personal taste. That's how. : A Sponge
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            exactly, the sound he chooses to sink his music in to evokes only one thing for me; angsty teenagers. Tha... : disembodied potato
            • Listen to Ghosts or Still. They're pretty different to that. There's quite a range of stuff on some of th... : nudel
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            The skill of a musician has nothing to do with personal taste. : Modica Sol Solis
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              Then we are agreed: Michael Angelo Batio and Dragonforce are the very height of music. : A Sponge
              • lol : filtersweep
              • I don't like either of them (don't know who the first is, really) but Dragonforce has some pretty respect... : Modica Sol Solis
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      This is the worst post you've ever made. I suggest closing your account before you embarrass yourself eve... : ColoradoCNC
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        damn dude, you've been around here long enough to know ive made worse posts than that. cmon. bring ... : -=kodiak=-
        • I was too lazy to search :( : ColoradoCNC
  • I'm with ya buddy. : yosemiteclimber
  • Yup. Agreed. : melt_core
  • poor person whoever or whatever you are. i weep for you. : noobja
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    I feel that way when I read your posts. : not work safe
    • lol : Godhatesfatpeople
• Fucking ouch. : midgetherder
• I've only heard the single, but it is really that bad. : SenorSpine
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  i'm listening too it now. WTF its like he said "i'm gonna be the new timbaland!" : hirez
  • Yeah, except he failed miserably. : wykd
  • Timbaland produced a bunch of tracks on the album. : ThomW
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  I only heard scream and thought it was good. Meh for artists not liking each others work. : kanix
  • Maybe Scream is ok (haven't heard it), but just going through the first few tracks (especially the first ... : wykd
• Haha, his former keyboard player, Allesandro Cortini, was also talking about how horrible the album was o... : Mecha Tofu Pirate
• jokes on trent, he has a twitter account what a fag : arizona bay
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  Dude this single is so bad I just sat and listened with a blank stare for 2 minutes http://www.youtube.c... : kainen1
  • it really doesnt sound any worse than any other rock song on the radio??? : arizona bay
  • I had only heard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyOtb136n6g previously. 'Scream' is actually almost list... : bipolar
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    You know what sounds worse than that? The other songs on the album http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxTlTX... : Mecha Tofu Pirate
    • yuk, thats horrible : niceguynick
    • This was so bad it retroactively lowered my opinion of his previous works : reign27
    • that is pretty shitty. : timaste
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    I like it but I also like stuff like this ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3TTTh8emxI I think it's gr... : kanix
    • dude that is completely awful, i know to each his own but wow what do you like about that? : kainen1
  • I didn't think it was that bad. : cryptical
• I agree, the Cornell album is horrible. I listened to the entire thing and there isn't one redeeming trac... : Godhatesfatpeople
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  OK I just listened to a couple of songs and I agree - it's pretty embarrassing. But if we had never h... : Schnapple
  • For me it just sounds like sad attempt at trying something new. If he really wanted to try to reach out o... : Godhatesfatpeople
• This is along the same lines as kodiak but seriously I get embarrassed listening to Reznors lyrics quite ... : NastyJack
• I stopped relying on my favorite artists to crank out decent tunes anymore. I've had Ultramega OK on rota... : ThomW
• Cornell is one of those guys who could be great, but seems lost at what he's doing so he's all over the p... : K1Bond007
• It's just very generic and boring, but it's not really 'bad'. I don't know how I can explain this.. : melt_core
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  I respect him for taking a risk, but it just did not work. :( : smax
  • I don't think he was taking a risk. It looks more like he was trying to cash in. : Haku-Jin
• Guess I'll be the one guy who likes it. :( I'm a big Chris Cornell fan. I like Soundgarden, his first ... : Marlin

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  Rock Band? : Dave-A
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    Does Burnout Paradise Party Mode count? : Dave-A
    • It's a good suggestion although I'm really looking for simultaneous coop experiences. : OverloadUT
• Geometry Wars 2 : Haku-Jin
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  Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Castle Crashers, Halo 3. There is a serious lack of local co-op games on con... : jingletard
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    I thought Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance would be good but then I learned that it is only 2 player coop. :( : OverloadUT
    • Oh shit it is? Ignore my post below then. I was thinking four player because there were three of us i... : DinK
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  Final Fantasy: Chrystal Chronicles? :D : SilverSnake
  • Oh that and Zelda Four Swords for the cube both definitely count! I forgot about those. : OverloadUT
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  What were the precursors to MUA? Xmen Legends 1 and 2. : crummynz
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    Oh yeah! We'd have to be really desperate to do those though. They were so awful compared to MUA. We were... : OverloadUT
    • I know Perfect Dark had co-op, and it had 4p support, but I can't remember if it was 4p co-op, sorry. If ... : crummynz
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  Halo 3 doesn't have 4 player co-op on the same console. Only 2. : cfalcon
  • Oh that's right. Suck! : OverloadUT
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    Four players can go online though. : Haku-Jin
    • You can do four players on two system-linked consoles too. I've done this and it rules. (well, 3 player... : DinK
• Little Big Planet Super Smash Bros? I'm not sure if the campaign was limited to 2 players or could go up... : BlackCat9
• Umm...any gauntlet game? Can't believe no-one remembered those. ;p : DianeOfTheMoon
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  Left 4 Dead (as much as I hate console FPS, it does have 4 player split screen) NHL / FIFA 09 : pyide
  • Rock Band 2 : pyide
  • Oh, WRONG. L4D is only 2 player split screen on the 360. I swear it was being touted as a 4 player coop g... : pyide
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  Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance : DinK
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    The mobygames page claimed 2 players. Is it actually 4? : OverloadUT
    • nope it's 2 : JINKY
• Doesn't Boom Blox have 4 player stuff? Not exactly a coop campaign, but still. : MaxPete82
• WWF No Mercy for the N64! : Derringer
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  virtua tennis 3 : Mansmells
  • oh i guess that's not really co-op. more like 2v2 or 4 player multi with the minigames. : Mansmells
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  Goldeneye four player is awesome. : Guybrushed
  • just realized you said coop, ignore this. I fail at reading. : Guybrushed
• Perfect Dark had 4 player Counter Coop, IIRC, on player was the protagonist and the other 3 can play as t... : Sailor of Fortune
• Baja: The Edge of Control. I have only tried singleplayer so far though. 4 player split-screen is avai... : humbleone
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  Castle Crashers : dirge23
  • whoops, this is in the OP. i was playing it this weekend so it came to mind : dirge23
• General Chaos : mista mista
• Kung-fu Chaos and Fuzion Frenzy. Smash TV : razlebol
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  Why is there no Mario Kart listed here? : anhero
  • It's not a co-op game? : BlackCat9

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• This sounds like a fun idea! : tangles
• cool idea. would be even cooler if everyone had prepaid shipping labels before the project started to hel... : podizzle
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  Sounds like fun, but failure probability is ~1 : Ovate
  • Yeah I'm sensing he'll get about 3 serious photos back, and the rest of the film will be all cock though : Arctic Fox
• groovy fuckin cameras man... haha : flubba79
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  Don't do this. : not work safe
  • the kodak camera cost like $5, the holga cost me $30 : wtf242
  • yeah... I would do this on flickr, not the shack. you'll get a camera full of penuf. =/ : Antilles_Prime
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  I will do this with my D700 : gmd
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    ok. send it to me first. i just shackmsg'd you my address : wtf242
    • it is in the mail : gmd
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  I'm obviously down for this and I know my way around holgas ;) : sparkly
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    you gotta be real careful with the holga though. I'd tape it up real good because the back of mine pops o... : sparkly
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      that kodak can take some decent photos for a plastic piece of shit http://www.flickr.com/photos/31506719... : wtf242
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        Do it, man. I'll take a nudie pic of some chick when I get it. : sparkly
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          I am going to shoot a roll first and confirm it still works. My parent's bought it for me in the mid 80s! : wtf242
          • sounds good. Just add me to the list and let me know when it gets started :) : sparkly
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      Are we talking about cameras or women : OverloadUT
      • HAHAHHAHHAHAHAHahahahahaha!!!!!!!!! : sparkly
• I'd be down to participate. : FPSDavid
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  we couldnt even do this with a book, let alone a camera! : maulla
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    I got that doom book. I think it's crustar's but i would be willing to send it to another shacker. : wtf242
    • 242, I would like to have the book back. :[ : CrustaR
• Sounds good =) : spiffymc
• I would totally do this, but I might suggest limiting it to people who are active in the assignment group... : boarder2
• FUCK. YES. : ejectorpod
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  I wonder could we do this with a memory card? I doubt it would work, but maybe if we all used the same b... : cltcprd
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    CF cards only! : FPSDavid
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      no way man! SD! : cltcprd
      • SD FOR LYFE YO finally we agree on something : ejectorpod
      • SD, lol! : FPSDavid
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    much more simple with a film camera. I also think there's something to be said about not getting instant ... : wtf242
    • Yeah, true. Gotta actually think and compose something w/ film, more interesting. : FPSDavid
    • Yeah, agreed. Not knowing how this shit will turn out until it arrives back at your door is pretty awesom... : Drewus
• that's a wonderful idea : r3dn3ck
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  This sounds awesome : Drewus
  • Also, shika.art and I work together, so one of us would just pass it onto the other : Drewus
• I'm in! : Sirus2400
• Where the hell is the doom development book!? I would love to do this as long as it doesn't end up like t... : .sticks.
• I'm in. : askedrelic
• If someone'll post it over to the UK i'll post it back. Might increase the time it takes though. : marmite

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  -against Shotos(shotos means ryu,ken,akuma, sagat(sort of) - characters which rely on fireballs/uppercuts... : grandmasterlee
  • For Cammy just turtle and use your balls very sparingly. Cammy has ways to punsh the ball but runs into p... : SolrFlare
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    Whats your wins % ? : Cashh
    • not sure, around 80% or so with blanka I think, good balrog players absolutely own me right now though =\ : grandmasterlee
  • Blanka is pretty effective against even good players, but he's also kinda boring to play because of it. : pyide
  • Cool info. : breadsticks
  • blanka is my frackin nemesis. He sits and taunts my akuma and punishes me no matter what I do :( : r3ckless
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  I fought a turtle guile who pissed me the fuck off yesterday with ehonda. The motherfucker would just sit... : wtf242
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    Trick is to not let guile charge. Its difficult though. I have a lot of trouble against even noob guile p... : r3ckless
    • I find that I need to get guile in the defensive and continously hammer him, trying to break his block an... : r3ckless
    • especially hard when you don't have some sort of fireball to chunk at him : wtf242
  • jump short of his range for the flash kick and then just punish. honda butt stomp his ass the second y... : -=kodiak=-
  • you have to stay on top of guile, and keep him crossed up, this is his major weakness as his flash kick c... : grandmasterlee
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    that was me and i enjoyed every minute of it. : whistletits
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      you can't even come close to beating me you homo : wtf242
      • i can beat you using my gameboy! : whistletits
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  I have this game but I am NOT going to go drop another 60+ on a joystick controller. Is it even possi... : braaains
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    because so far this game is probably the most discouraging thing ive ever played. : braaains
    • Yeah, it has a really steep learning curve. So far, I've been doing pretty well with the normal controll... : Clasifyd
  • I can contribute a lot of my wins to my arcade stick honestly. : grandmasterlee
  • this is what i roll with and i'm starting to get decent http://gear.ign.com/articles/668/668525p1.html : fletch_
  • I know everyone hates it, but I've gotten used to it. I can hit my moves almost always. I'm rarely frus... : Freon
  • The more techniques I learn in SF4 the worse I do with the 360 dpad. The mushy contacts cause so many unp... : TrptJim
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  I love baiting the shotos into doing their wake-up SRK. Knock them down then walk up to them and throw a ... : cookblaze
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    yeah it's pretty funny.. just walk up while they are knocked down then block... then fuck them up, they d... : wtf242
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      you need to play a little more offensively : boring gegtik
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        B E A T B Y T H E C A R L E V E L ' D : Clasifyd
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          wtf242 couldn't beat me if I was sitting on the controller : boring gegtik
          • Aww, he lied to me! I was hoping I'd be able to give you shit about that for a while. : Clasifyd
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            whatever : wtf242
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              shane if this was super mario bros I'm the boot and you're the goomba : boring gegtik
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                one of those goombas with the spikes on the shell bitch : wtf242
                • I'm the boot from SMB3 so fuck you!!!! : boring gegtik
  • Bison's head stop rules for this, they see him go up in the air, try to SRK it but overshoot and then I h... : dravalen
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  I can't consistently do crossup's, or I'm just not understand exactly what they are.... is this just a re... : TPSReport
  • just takes practice, go to training mode and throw the dummy, then practice crossing him up : grandmasterlee
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  I'm really enjoying learning Gouken but Mr. Sex is trying to edge in on my territory and it's pissing me ... : brickmatt
  • BECAUSE HE SUCKS. : brickmatt
• i just got my fight stick from dynotaku and it is fucking awesome. he is #1 in my book : eeeealmo

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  goddamn it! set the counter for weeks gone without shacktag failure back to one >:( : Dschinghis Khan
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    DAYS WITHOUT SHACKTAGS: 1042 1 : hirez
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      more like DAYS WITHOUT SHACKTAGS: 12 1 : Arctic Fox
      • oh come on! it's been longer than that! maybe like 40 or so. : Dschinghis Khan
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  >:( : yosemiteclimber : dumb.
  • lol! : Dschinghis Khan
  • Now yosemiteclimber's got nothing to post! lol... : Alco23
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    you son of a bitch :( : yosemiteclimber
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      you better still be playing when I get home so I can shoot you in the FACE. : yosemiteclimber
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        we should be, i heard it got pretty crazy last week, and we had a great turnout last sunday, or was it sa... : Dschinghis Khan
        • Yeah we played pretty late last week, lots of people even rejoined. We played the mario map which was awe... : yosemiteclimber
• I am off work tomorrow so I should be able to play tonight. =D : gimpx32
• get psyched! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbTc1SpjZSA : Dschinghis Khan
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  Blue dong edition you say? : Delaric
  • yeah! come and get a whole bag of them! : Dschinghis Khan
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  That's weird, I don't see my stats on the DOD:S stuff, did it get reset or something? : Sailor of Fortune
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    did you click on the "players" tab at the top? : Dschinghis Khan
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      Yeah, I don't see my stats and I played last week and the week before (IIRC Alco nuked the first week's s... : Sailor of Fortune
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        hmm, that's weird. I dont know, take it up with Alco : Dschinghis Khan
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          I thought all the stats got reset last week because Alco switched stat packages? We had that impromptu sh... : ArcKnight
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            ^^^ this. We changed stats packages after Thursday night's Shackbattle. But it'll all be the same from he... : Arctic Fox
            • oh that's right. : Dschinghis Khan
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              Yeah, I had to change packages and all the stats you see currently are from the impromptu shackbattle we ... : Alco23
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                Its badass! Do the awards not work in DoD though? : chungathebunga
                • They will after tonight. There's a script that runs each day to update the awards page. Alco fixed it a c... : Arctic Fox
                • They work, they get updated daily so you see "Daily Awards". The global awards show who's leading each ca... : Alco23
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  I'm gonna snipe Alex so hard : chungathebunga
  • So that's how he does it! : AlexXdude
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  I might not be there, my internet keeps going down more than Kahn during fleet week. : .Jayson
  • or Khan =P : .Jayson
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    whats fleet week? :( Also i do enjoy those blue dongs, they taste like blue berry. Also h before a mother : Dschinghis Khan
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      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleet_Week : .Jayson
      • oh snap : Arctic Fox
      • oh my : Dschinghis Khan
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  That's when I go to bed :( : c0bra
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    It's a tough thing, finding a time that is early enough for East coast players to play, but late enough s... : Arctic Fox
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      I know :( : c0bra
      • If it's any consolation, I go to bed at 10 most nights, I just stay up for DoD on Thursdays then regret i... : Arctic Fox
  • c'mon with this, you're telling me you can't stay an extra half an hour to an hour to play? : Dschinghis Khan
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  Should be able to play a lot longer this week than last weeks 45 mins. : timaste
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    Someone encourage me to buy a mic before 7pm : timaste
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      Buy a mic before 7pm : Arctic Fox
      • ^^^IAWTP : ArcKnight
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      Duuuu it! DUUUUU IT NOW! : Alco23
      • signed, the lovechild of Ben Stiller and Arnold Schwarzenegger lol Schwarzenegger is in Firefox's spe : Arctic Fox
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      i think you should buy a mic for tonight, there you have 3 admins telling you to get a mic, if you don't ... : Dschinghis Khan
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        Why would we ban, when we could continually set him on fire instead? : Arctic Fox
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          good point, muhahahaha!! : Dschinghis Khan
          • muhahahahaha!! : Arctic Fox
    • Get a mic! : chungathebunga
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      Get a USB mic so you don't have to wear something on your head and use speakers, : Sailor of Fortune
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        ^^^. I have one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Desktop-Microphone-Black-Silver/dp/B00009EHJV : Arctic Fox
        • Yep, the exact same one I have, I plug it into my monitor's USB port so it turns on when I use the monito... : Sailor of Fortune
        • I have that microphone it's fucking great. : Cowburn199
      • oh nice, this might get me to buy a mic..didn't know usb mic existed. : deathofrats
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      you can do it! you CAN BUY A MIC BEFORE 7pm! you are the best mic buyer before 7pm ever! : hirez
      • ^^^ listen to this hoopy frood, he knows where his towel is. : Arctic Fox
      • I just read that with JPB's voice in my head... : .Jayson
    • Update ok I bought a mic, now you can be serenaded by my sweet sweet voice after a few beers : timaste
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  Custom Maps! Custom Maps! Custom Maps! : sanchez
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    I have a shitload of maps on the server, just that none of them are in rotation. Be more specific with wh... : Alco23
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      Something custom! I don't know :( Maybe more gimmicky or fun maps. Or some older classics. : sanchez
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        that Ice map was a lot fun I remember. : Sailor of Fortune
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          Mario Air and funpool should be on rotation, with real weapons. : heartsauce
          • The mario one was hilarious! : chungathebunga
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          Kalt or Colmar? (The former is a big 5-point flag run, the latter is the detonation map). : Arctic Fox
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            former. : Sailor of Fortune
            • You're right, we haven't played Kalt in ages, we'll queue it up when the server is full. : Arctic Fox
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      Are there any maps that have different game modes than we normally play (push and TNT)? : Sailor of Fortune
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        There are some "Push the tank" (escort or think TF2-payload mode) modes but all the one's I've played so ... : Alco23
        • Sounds like it can be done right, but I was thinking a map where one side defends from the Blitzkrieg of ... : Sailor of Fortune
        • Do the CS style round maps exist in DoD:S? I liked the original ones, kraftstoff, hedgerow, and para. : sanchez
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  but I want to play nooooooooow : timaste
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    Go set up your mic and record yourself saying military things into .wav files and use it to replace all t : Sailor of Fortune
    • Get to the choppa!! : timaste
    • lol that is gold : Arctic Fox