Dawn of War 2 Using Steamworks for DRM, Will Require Steam to Run

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  If you select your dudes, then right-click anywhere on the screen, they will move there. : Chris Remo
  • This made me laugh more than it should have. : Godhatesfatpeople
  • So THIS is who those retarded RTS tutorials have been for? How many of those have I checked "just in c... : dafugg
• yeah its a beta. there most definitely will be tutorials in the full version as there are in all RTS gam... : dantastic
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  LOL, it's a MP only demo... : kantjd
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    oops ,it was the beta of Steam not a Demo. : Cashh
    • didn't you get the memo? all mp demos are called beta now, it's a sexier term. : shznit
• This makes the baby jesus cry : sartori69
• If this is a troll, god help me, I LOLED like no tomorrow. : a176
• TAAAANK! : dmason

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  1. Set Steam to Offline Mode 2. Talk smack to friends 3. Play : erikman619
  • ^^Seconded. : rohithX
  • Offline programming is really crappy: - If you don't go to offline mode when you are online, it will c... : paketep

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• very much so, playing far cry 2 was the first game in ages that i used a dvd for. crap man listening to ... : smacknca
• Indeed. : Godhatesfatpeople
• Yeah. AND you can get it on Steam if you buy retail. Even better. : node
• Word, Remo. : SockMonkeh
• Hell yeah, tired of SecuROM crap. I used to be a Steam hater, but now i have about 25 games on Steam and... : RTSNut
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  Exactly. I didn't like Steam when HL2 first shipped, but have loved it since TF2 -> onwards. Considering ... : ion_pulse
  • Not to mention the community features. I didn't really play with that stuff until L4D. Now I find it in... : CRasterImage
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  So having to log into two seperata systems to play the single player campaign isn't obnoxious DRM? It's ... : capt tripps
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    Well, most of us have Steam always running, so that removes the first login you mention. Secondly, the s... : CRasterImage
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      Still not buying it. Fuck steam. : capt tripps
      • I'm with capt tripps. I hate being able to reinstall my games without CDs, knowing when and what my frien... : erikman619
      • I knew this was your point of view (or blindness) while you made the first post. : rohithX
  • It has never bothered me. I can't even remember any instances of not being able to play a game because it... : Chris Remo
• Now if they just used steam for everything instead of GFWL. : Psigun
• Yes, this is true. I can't play anno 1701 on my brand new computer because SecuROM doesn't work on Windo... : wwonderboy334
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  Steam as an authentication server is a form of DRM. Do not be blindsided on how good it is. Actually, ... : kenok
  • It's not about being blindsided or not knowing that it's not DRM. Of course, Steam IS a DRM tool, but whe... : rohithX

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  Incredibly awful. Hate this. : dhvyse
  • My current fix, is to to start a PC only windows live account for GFW. That only works though because I ... : unjustend

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• I completely disagree. I thought it was excellent, and as a BETA I realize that there is still plenty I h : VictoriouSecret
• I feel the exact opposite. This is the potential to be the best mulitplayer game yet from Relic. All th... : shznit
• I love this game. : Derringer
• I dIdnt love the beta either. Hopefully the campaign will be different. : bolneze
• It might be good to post some reasons for those conclusions... : ion_pulse
• Did you play more than three matches against CPU's and/or come into the Beta with an open mind? Yes, it'... : TerranUp16
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  I didn't really like the game at first, it took me around a dozen matches to get into it. : Smooth UK
  • Now I think its awesome (Y) : Smooth UK
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    I love the no base building aspect. Sick of sim-city. Just want to pew pew. : PrawnWonton
    • amen brother : shznit
    • There was a guy like that, actually a series of games called Codename Panzers. Do you know what happened ... : Bensam123
    • "Sick of sim-city. Just want to pew pew." This man has summarized everything I have ever wanted to say... : erikman619
• really? i love it. Can't get enough of it. Buying it. Its just like company of heroes, and they just patc... : rbjester
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  It's not shallow - it is just different than you are used to, I think. : taronish
  • No, it's shallow. I don't like it after 15-20 hours or so of playing it, and I never will. Removing t... : dhvyse
• Are you retarded? You're judging the full game on a multiplayer beta? : ElArabDeMagnifico
• I completely agree. Not only did it remove a lot of different units from the game that were fundamenta... : Bensam123

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• Nothing about your post makes sense. : CRasterImage
• Hack dies ? This a new leet term I missed out on? : malus72
• What the hell does "hack dies" mean? : Godhatesfatpeople
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  "hacked does" is what I think hes going for. : bolneze
  • Well unless he's dumb and gives out his password, the odds of his account being hacked are probably lower... : Anti_dentite
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    But he did go ahead and say does after dies , it could mean hacked or dies , as in if he dies will he ha... : malus72
    • dies is his steam password : dantastic
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  But is a legitimate question non the less. If you spend 1000EUR (+/- 20 games) on steam, there has to be ... : FTY
  • Of course, just like with your bank account details, the more money you put into your Steam account the b... : AlexW1203
• I forgot my Captain Crunch decoder ring to translate this. : breadsticks
• I wonder this also. I was on Steams help forums recently and a lot of people are getting their accounts h... : samduhman

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  Yeah, what's up with that? That doesn't even happen in TF2. : crummynz
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    Youwhat? Your Internet must be rock-solid, and you must have leprechauns on one side of your family. I of... : AlexW1203
    • I see times when friends goes down and I can still play TF2, as long as I'm already in game. The two time... : crummynz
    • I have NEVER had this, and most of the games I play are on Steam. : Smooth UK
  • That happened for me, three times already, when playing DoW2. Maybe a coincidence. : Nitrium
• That is kind of strange but I rarely have a Steam outage so it hasn't become an issue for me just yet. : melkore
• yeah, my one gripe about this title's use of steam. never had that happen in another steam game. : ]pm[chem
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  You mean GFWL? Because steam has never ever kicked me out of a game and GFWL kicked me in my third game o... : mizeriq
  • Steam kicks me out of L4D all the time. Its a massive pain. : usedillusion

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  GFW Live is actually pretty good. Blows Relic Online out of the water. PLUS it enables Achievements tie... : UberJumper
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    It'd be better if you didn't have to go through 20 hojillion menus just to invite a friend to a game, and... : ShrimpScampie
    • Home > Friends > name > invite? If he's quick, and he presses Home when the "invite" message appears, ... : crummynz
    • Umm you hit home and make 3 clicks, that's like one click more than inviting someone into a game in Steam : Xevo
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      This. Pain in the ass to invite to games. It's easier for me to type my friends name then to seach ... : Nullzero
      • Agree. GFWL has no place on a PC, ESPECIALLY on a game that has Steam support. WTF were they thinking? ... : PrawnWonton
  • Game invites are pretty seamless too. : melkore
  • relic could of just used steam for match making, improved their online setup and achievements can be done... : jayares
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    Hey, Uber! You're Uber from Relicnews, I reckon? Anyway, are you kidding? You usually post some level hea... : fffortune
    • Oh, and wow, achievements for my non-existing Xbox Live gamertag. Who would've known, now I'll sleep all ... : fffortune
  • I hate it - only 100 friends, and nothing like "steam groups" to alleviate the problem. : taronish
• i was recently impressed by GFW when playing GTAIV. I was sitting on the couch with my 360 controller and... : flasher 907
• And if we could get rid of you it would be even better! : usedillusion

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  I don't think it is anti-microsoft sentiment. It is more: We already have Steam and like it. : CRasterImage
  • No no.. I actually dislike GFWL. It's slow, it seems to cause rendering issues on my pcs and it's a maze. : dafugg
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  Nah, they're inherently mediocre and most of us are high on better PC gamer relations. I like chatting w... : JackAxe
  • Using GFWL, you can see all your Live friends regardless of what game they're playing on what system. The... : Chris Remo
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    This is on the PC, I'm not playing on a 360. You read wrong. : JasonReece
    • My problem is with Steam as mentioned, in DoW 2 I can join a game with my friend in Steam I have to start... : JasonReece
  • Paid service? GFWL is free now, jesus. : JasonReece
• What is this Gears For War Live thing anyway? : Marrbe
• Definately! i totally agree about Steam and L4D. Its a massive pain in the ass. Me and a friend spent 45 ... : usedillusion

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  Matchmaking mostly, Relic said they were going to use Steamworks originally but then found out that GFWL ... : Autocrawler
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    p2p mp sucks :( : dantastic
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      To the best of my knowledge there has never been a client-server RTS. : jet-poop
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        Yep, no RTSes use anything other than P2P with the possible exception of Company of Heroes which is suppo... : Autocrawler
        • CoH is still p2p. World in Conflict is the only one with a server-client structure. : Turin Turambar
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    L4D uses Steam without requiring dedicated servers. There is more to this than just what handles the plu... : shznit
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      L4D does use dedicated servers. : crummynz
      • Yes, but it doesn't require them. : Chris Remo
      • reading is fundamental : shznit
    • But L4D still uses a client-server model does it not? I think that's what he intended to say. : schnitz76
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      L4D uses dedicated servers that are registered in Steam's community database. The whole server finding, ... : CRasterImage
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        Ok so the database servers are dedicated, but I'm pretty sure if you play 4 players vs computer one the 4... : shznit
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          Yes, I didn't give enough attention to the "dedicated" part of your post. But both dedicated and hosted... : CRasterImage
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            True, but my response was to Autocrawlers post saying that Steamworks matchmaking would require DoW2 to u... : shznit
            • I think Autocrawler was thinking "client - server model" but said "dedicated server model" by mistake. H... : CRasterImage
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          Client-server model doesn't exclude listen servers. The fact that the server is playing too, doesn't mean... : Pulveri
          • what about 3v3 DoW2, is that also P2P? : shznit
          • This is was I was going to say but you beat me to it. : Smooth UK
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    GFWL's matchmaking is HORRIBLE. I've played this beta all week and every single time it matches me to so... : Miltazar
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      Okay, so because you suck, the game sucks as well. You, sir, have a grand, well-fortified position that o... : Zyrusticae
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        I can play just fine. My point is that the best strategy that I've seen used is just to spam cheap units... : Miltazar
        • While I'll agree the matchmaking sucks and definitely needs work, dreadnoughts are NOT cheap. They cost a... : Zyrusticae
    • Matchmaking bug persists. : kenok
  • We all know how well it handles P2P multiplayer by now. There's plenty of stalled/lagged out games to go ... : fffortune
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  GFWL and Steam provide totally separate services. GFWL is for matchmaking and NAT negotiation and other m... : Chris Remo
  • Don't forget achievements. It's quite a fun novelty getting them on PC too. : node
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    Why would you require Steam, then use another system for multiplayer? It's senseless. : Smurfy12
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      Steam is just for distribution and DRM. Steamworks doesn't have as good a P2P system as GFWL. : Smooth UK
      • I think it is the matchmaking / lobby aspect of P2P. Since the game itself handles the P2P part. : CRasterImage
• because two friends lists are better than one! : wwonderboy334

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• True, accessibility to games now are going downlhill. You can't just BUY and play... you need to go thru ... : kenok

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  ..pre-order not actually cancelled. but "Best of all.." I want to punch this guy in the throat. there ... : verminer
  • Go back to console grandpa : scythik
  • Fight the power! Stick it to the man! Oh wait you're still buying it, never mind. : schnitz76
• Really? Why? How is Securom or any other DRM better? : ion_pulse
• Don't feed the troll : Zerbyte
• RAAAAAAAAAR : freshyk
• What time does your shift at GameStop end? : pimpium
• Don't mince words. Tell us what you really think of Steam. : CRasterImage
• Wow. Useless rage, and hating the only form of DRM us consumers can deal with withOUT giving up rights or... : YerMothah
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  I agree. Luckily I didn't pre-order. I own all the DoW games. Looks like this will be the 1st one I sk... : capt tripps
  • just played soulstorm, this is about 9 times better BASE gameplay. Its much more fun. If your computer su... : rbjester
  • explain why? : spaceyme
• I do find having to run steam a little annoying. Even for XCOM that I got a while back. I mean as a distr... : bolneze

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• home - friends - name - invite : x[sliver]

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• Not sure of this , but I've read before that direct software downloads/sales , initially anyway , can't b... : malus72

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  You can have both Steam and GFW log you in automatically without having to put in your password every sin... : Godhatesfatpeople
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    But if you didn't have accounts on both the sites, you'd have to do so, most likely getting different use... : famine101
    • Your Live username doesn't really matter for the purpose of signing in, since you just sign in with the a... : Chris Remo

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  You can already preorder it through steam. : walker270
  • Coolness. I don't mind the extra few bucks. I only buy 2 - 3 games a year. : CRasterImage

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• Yes. GFWL is the worst idea ever. It fails at even the basic tasks of trying to invite a friend to a ga... : PrawnWonton

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• Sorry for not being too descriptive, but: "meh" : Turin Turambar
• You'll find impressions are largely split between the playerbase. A number of folks compare it direct... : Zyrusticae
• very good. If you like CoH you should like this (although some don't which I find weird because it's ver... : shznit