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• Random up in this. I am fully planning on playing a turn a day for a year or more. Barring any unexpec... : moogle
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  heh. i am not sure i have the mental fortitude for another civ shackbattle : dirge23
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    Haha I know what you mean. It's amazing how mentally draining a game can be that you only "play" for 15 m... : OverloadUT
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      yeah. i think i only missed, like, two turns in the previous game. because i got obsessed with it. : dirge23
      • The winner of my first pitboss game (my brother) felt the same way after the game. He was just too burnt ... : OverloadUT
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  I'm going to email Steve Jobs a link to this thread from my iPod Touch. : ThomW
  • He will not make it 10-16 months. I submit his application be denied. : Xanthos
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    please don't. he won't survive long enough to finish the game. : dirge23
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      I meant to protest the lack of copy/paste here on my Touch. : ThomW
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        Haha okay now I get it. I admit that I started at your post for quite a while trying to figure out what y... : OverloadUT
        • started=stared* ugh : OverloadUT
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  Oh i'd like to try this. Does it include all the extra units from the exp packs cause I never tried... : MrLobo
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    Yeah, Beyond the Sword includes all of the improvements from Warlords. If you are only familiar with the ... : OverloadUT
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      Bleh its been so long since I played Civ4 I have a lot of catching up to do. What happens if you miss ... : MrLobo
      • OverloadUT comes to your home and kicks you in the throat. : SockMonkeh
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  Willem, Catherine I am fully planning on playing a turn a day for a year or more. Barring any unexpect... : SockMonkeh
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    Other details up for discussion: I think we should do a Pangea (big enough that people have some space to... : SockMonkeh
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      I agree. I think continents was a bit of a problem in the previous game and I think Pangaea will help. I : OverloadUT
      • Tech Trading is important for coalitions. Which were very important towards the end. : Jonathan
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      I agree with Pangaea and No Tech Brokering. I also favour no barbs. : Vantage
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        I think we should keep Barbarians on in order to keep adventureous settlers in check. : SockMonkeh
        • Shame bears and barbarians aren't separate options. : Jonathan
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    don't worry, OverloadUT will kill you like 1 month into the game :( : cltcprd
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      That was me and I waited 2 months. : Zhaneel
      • Yes but OverloadUT didn't for cltcprd... : Jonathan
      • It will take far longer than 2 months for me to forget that, Zhaneel. : SockMonkeh
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      You should be happy; I took your resources and turned them in to... defeat. Oh wait... :( : OverloadUT
      • You couldn't even take my lack of resources and win? WTF man? : cltcprd
• Louis XIV - Kublai Khan - Willem And of course, I am fully planning on playing a turn a day for a year... : Vantage
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  There is a week in the coming months where i am fairly certain I will be unable to take my turn... is the... : WaterSign
  • Sure, you can issue build orders to your cities and movement orders to your men ahead of time. I think i... : Vantage
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    Oh I should have mentioned that: Yes vacations are of course allowed. The best case is that you get a fri... : OverloadUT
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      The best case is to get a laptop. : SockMonkeh
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        If I take a laptop where I am going I will be shot and stabbed and then no longer have a laptop. : WaterSign
        • This just shows that you're not cutthroat enough for a shack Civ game... : Jonathan
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      In the last game, I took turns during my honeymoon while on a cruise. Yes, I am insane. : dirge23
      • Nobody can question your dedication because it did win you the game after all! : OverloadUT
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      So if you miss a day... it will automatically pass your turn and carry on? : Cliffzorz
      • That is correct. : OverloadUT
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  Ramesses II or Saladin Please. I'd like tech trading on at least. Tech brokering I can understand being o : Jonathan
  • Just to be awkward I'd like to go Saladin or Ramesses II for the order. : Jonathan
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  This sounds like a lot of fun, but a year+ is one hell of a commitment. What about vacation time? Is it p... : SilverSnake
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    Yeah see my blue post above; I forgot to mention vacations in the OP. : OverloadUT
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      A general Pitboss question. How does negotiating things like trade agreements and such work? Since you wo... : SilverSnake
      • yep, that's how it works. you can talk things out via shackmessage or IM or whatever, of course. : dirge23
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        Yes that's how it works. Although I always encourage people to negotiate a trade outside of the game firs... : OverloadUT
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          Ah, that's a silly bug. But I guess you can get around that by doing "no tech brokering". :) Since you... : SilverSnake
          • A lot of people will get their asses kicked in the first 6 months most likely. Human games tend to be pre... : OverloadUT
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          Another problem arises if you accidentally send a trade offer a number of times. Last game Buzzbat offere... : moogle
          • Ahh yeah that's lame. And if you miss a turn he might have thought you declined the first offer and sent ... : OverloadUT
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          i gave away all my iron by accident due to something like this : buzzbat
          • Precious, precious iron....... : moogle
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  oh, i'm in. elizabeth bismarck charlemagne : Foxhawk
  • woops, touchpad. "I am fully planning on playing a turn a day for a year or more. Barring any unexpected ... : Foxhawk
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    Interesting how people have totally different favourite leaders. : Vantage
    • last two are garbage but I love their histories. : Foxhawk
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    No you aren't. FAIL TO READ. : Zhaneel
    • irony much? : Foxhawk
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    Foxhawk dropped out of the first one AND failed to copy/paste! You're fucked! : SockMonkeh
    • hey I told you guys as soon as I dropped out! I had no choice :< : Foxhawk
• Gah. Tempting. I'm unsure right now. I enjoyed the other game but am drained. Also Dirge is scar : Zhaneel
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  Franklin D. Roosevelt, Gandhi. "I am fully planning on playing a turn a day for a year or more. Barrin... : Majuju
  • Yep, Steam version is no problem : OverloadUT
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  I want to play, I'll take whatever everyone else doesn't want. : MagicWishMonkey
  • Oh and: " "I am fully planning on playing a turn a day for a year or more. Barring any unexpected person... : MagicWishMonkey
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  I am fully planning on playing a turn a day for a year or more. Barring any unexpected personal life chan... : Deathlove
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    Teams is an interesting idea but changes the game pretty significantly. I'd only do it if everyone wanted... : OverloadUT
    • Teams would be pretty hard to balance - diplomacy options in the game could make for a far more level gro... : Jonathan
• I think I am actually going to sit this one out and let others get in. For a long, time, I made sure I : Goncyn
• Darius / Caesar "I am fully planning on playing a turn a day for a year or more. Barring any unexpecte... : twifosp
• Dutch, Roman I am fully planning on playing a turn a day for a year or more. Barring any unexpected pe... : buzzbat
• Japs or something "I am fully planning on playing a turn a day for a year or more. Barring any unexpec... : anhero
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  so is this like conquer club but in civ? : maulla
  • Exactly. You could think of it as Conquer Club on steroids. : OverloadUT
• I play as random I am fully planning on playing a turn a day for a year or more. Barring any unexpected... : Umbr
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  I must think on this. But first: Is there a prize? : WaterSign
  • The prize is satisfaction! I mean I could do a prize or something but I'm worried it would move the game ... : OverloadUT
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  Okay, I'm in. FDR / Washington I am fully planning on playing a turn a day for a year or more. Barring an... : WaterSign
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    JPB, you should host a monthly podcast covering the game : Foxhawk
    • I'm almost tempted! Maybe to disseminate propaganda to the decent, hardworking people's of enemy civiliza... : WaterSign
• Random. I am fully planning on playing a turn a day for a year or more. Barring any unexpected personal l... : amrbean
• FDR, Stalin - I am fully planning on playing a turn a day for a year or more. Barring any unexpected pers... : shavenewok

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  So is this going to allow Apple to go after Microsoft for building that touch table thing? : MagicWishMonkey
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    That's what I'm wondering... but I think their first target is going to be the Palm Pre. : mwasher
    • yeah palm is fucked, but I wonder if sprint is going to get involved in defending palm. : stgdz
  • id love to see that happen haha : Jackass1233
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    if anything just require a fee. Surface tech as far as I know is not being sold anywhere right now. Howev... : two50six
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      Surface tables are out and you can get them from MS. We have one on order. : pancake humper
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        ah. I dont work on that team so I've no clue. : two50six
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          Ours has been on order for awhile now :( not sure WTF is going in with it. I wish I was more directly inv... : pancake humper
          • I played with one at the AETC Symposium in San Antonio a couple of weeks ago. It was cool. : capt tripps
  • Doubt it, the surface isnt a screen, its a surface that the image is projected onto and I think it uses c... : Beady
• the apple peripheral monopoly has only begun to take shape : Downforce
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  They filed it less than a year ago and plenty of other companies have demonstrated multi-touch before the... : omnova
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    This is a good question. Doesn't 'prior art' apply here? Or do companies have to challenge this patent? : Ariakus
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      This question does not make much sense. It is a patent now, there is a presumption that it is valid, but... : Jimb0v2
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        Shouldn't patent office prevent the grant of such patent if prior art exists? Isn't that their job? : Ariakus
        • In some form yes, but in reality they are woefully understaffed and overworked. Nor do they often have e... : boofy
  • This application claims priority going back farther than 1 year ago. : Jimb0v2
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  How can you claim rights to "touching a screen with more than one finger" lol :( : virus
  • they just did. : two50six
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    I'm sure they'll be quite touchy about it. : capt tripps
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      The downfall of the digitals age : azenmaster
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        Microsoft forced me to touch them inappropriately :( : capt tripps
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          I'm getting the impression that this be bad for a lot of companies. : stelth
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            I think microsoft has enough lawyers and enough interest in the matter for the situation to work itself o... : capt tripps
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              I dont get it : azenmaster
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                Microsoft hired the guy that did all the cool multitouch stuff and even sells multi-touch tables. One ta... : capt tripps
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                  where is the pun though? I thought that this was the pun subthread : azenmaster
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                    Stelth what the FUCK. : heartsauce
                    • what? : azenmaster
        • I would flip them a finger. >:( : Maddog_Delphi97
  • *HATE* : trevis
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    its actually "detecting one or more finger contacts with the touch screen display" so even one finger is ... : boring gegtik
    • What the fuck would you do with a 'touch screen display' besides detect 'one or more finger contacts'. : capt tripps
  • Sigh. People do not understand patent law. While I have not reviewed this in detail, it wouldn't suprri... : Jimb0v2
• haha did that article just refer to Apple as a 'fruity toymaker'? fucking inquirer : mikecyb
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  Why are patents like this allowed :( Only the exact implementation should be patentable, not the concept... : Richese
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    You can't rely on these general summaries. If only the exact implementation was patentable the patent ... : Jimb0v2
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      It wouldn't be worthless because whatever clever means you've come up with for solving the problem you've... : Richese
      • I don't think you have thought this through. Who determines what is a generic idea? Why shouldn't a gen... : Jimb0v2
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  I doubt this patent would hold up for long if they ever tries to defend it. : uncleanmonkey
  • I hope Palm and MS go after them immediately. : Richese
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  That's going to hold up for all of about .02 seconds in a court. How long have touchscreens been around ... : itsjames
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    It's not touch screens, it's multi-touch capable screens. : ieGod
    • It's deriviative and clearly follows from the problem - not patentable. The patent office is a joke. How ... : uncleanmonkey
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      haven't multi-touch laptop mouse touchpads had this for ages too though? I'm not sure how you would diff... : itsjames
      • I'm not saying it's legitimate, I'm just pointing out the difference. I think apple was one of the first ... : ieGod
    • It fails the "obviousness" test. Hmm, we have multitouch pads. And we have touchscreens. I wonder what... : Arcanum
  • Uh, they did not get a patent on a touch screen. : Jimb0v2
• They really need to touch with two fingers, hold both of them down, and expand to see the bigger picture ... : spiderfill
• http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.h... : mojorisen1117
• Just wait til Minority Report sues them! : DapperDan
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  I don't understand this. According to the Internets, the first multitouch display was created in 1982 by... : Richese
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    but was it patented? : two50six
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      Does that matter? I thought that prior art trumps any patent. : Richese
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        huh? no I dont believe so. Then again Im not a patent lawyer. But just because you create something doesn... : two50six
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          Prior art (also known as state of the art, which also has other meanings), in most systems of patent law, : AgentPothead
          • ah interesting. Well did I mention I wasnt a patent lawyer? ;) Dont know much about the specifics for pat... : two50six
        • It doesn't mean you automatically get the patent, just that nobody else can patent it. : uncleanmonkey
        • We're still on a first-to-invent system, but there's been a big push lately to go first-to-file, which IM... : Perturbation
• That is patently ridiculous! : Bruzilla
• WTFPATENTOFFICE? I seem to remember academic examples years before we heard about the Touch. : Fred Garvin
• What would Steve Jobs corpse do? : Godhatesfatpeople
• LOL. I can't wait for the Palm/Apple fight. They'll prior art their way back to the Newton and before. : Fyunch Click
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  All computer programming is math. It blows my mind people think you can patent math. : AgentPothead
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    Math is not allowed to be patented. : Jimb0v2
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      Then explain software patents to me please :) : AgentPothead
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        software patents are very generalized and almost never refer to a specific algorithm. it's always just s... : mikecyb
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          Isn't generalized exactly what a patent is NOT supposed to be? : AgentPothead
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            they're specific enough that it's obviously a single thing but not specific enough that it's super easy t : mikecyb
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              Eh, people in this thread have not read the claims. It could turn out that its that simple, but I highly... : Jimb0v2
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                Give me $500 an hour and I'll do it for you. : ra1n
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                  I take it your a patent attorney too? : Jimb0v2
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                    I actually am a patent attorney, yes. Are you? : ra1n
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                      Yes sir. : Jimb0v2
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                        Oh, cool beans. What area of the country are you in? I'm the North East. I'm currently working on an a... : ra1n
                        • Midwest. I'm in the middle of converting a provisional appliation,... I am going to get back to work so ... : Jimb0v2
        • If we accept this as true (which I'm not sure I would) . I still think the problem everyone has is that ... : Jimb0v2
        • The LZW patent would like to have a word with you. Well it would, if it wasn't expired : GloriousCow
        • one click was struck down iirc : retarded talking dinosaur
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        The law as it stands is pretty confusing. But the gist of it is that subject matter is eligible for pate... : Jimb0v2
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          At it's most basic level computer programming is nothing more than math. Why is 2+2=4 not patentable, but... : AgentPothead
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            There are two seperate issues here: Is it patentable subject matter? Is it novel and nonobvious (ie i... : Jimb0v2
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              That's the thing, so many computer patents deal with discoveries, not inventions. In fact you could ma... : uncleanmonkey
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                Like what? The one-click patent is not a discovery. It is an invention. Granted, many people (perhap... : Jimb0v2
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                  I gave an example before: Marching cubes. I had to sit on my hands for two months waiting for the patent ... : uncleanmonkey
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                    There is no disagreement from me that some patents get allowed that shouldn't. I just don't think the ... : Jimb0v2
                    • I didn't say so, but IMO software patents fall in three categories 1) Obvious patents that clearly fol... : uncleanmonkey
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              ^^^inf this. This is the correct answer, not the speculation or argument of people saying what the law *... : ra1n
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                Dude, the discussion is ABOUT what people think the law SHOULD be, not what it is. If you're arguing abou... : uncleanmonkey
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                  I was directly asked what the law was, so was Jimb0v2. He explained it pretty clearly. : ra1n
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                    By explain software patents I meant why can you not patent math and yes patent math. : AgentPothead
                    • "and yeT patent math." spallchuk, wut. : AgentPothead
                    • And the answer is, you cannot patent a mathematical principle. In many circumstances, you can patent a d... : ra1n
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            Go learn the law. There is actually a reason. : ra1n
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              You are the patent attorney, I was asking you to explain it not simply cop out with, oh go learn it yours... : AgentPothead
              • You can read the MPEP. : ra1n
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          A software algorithm isn't tied to a particular machine or apparatus, neither is hardware. I don't think ... : uncleanmonkey
          • Plus, consider the whole purpose of patents. I'm pretty sure it wasn't intended to stifle innovation - qu... : uncleanmonkey
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            Hardware is not tied to a particular machine? Boggle!!! I don't think there is any disagreement on the... : Jimb0v2
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              What exactly did apple patent if they didn't patent "a mathematical algorithm in software or hardware"? T... : AgentPothead
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                a process? : Jimb0v2
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                  So they patented an algorithm? In mathematics, computing, linguistics and related subjects, an algorithm : AgentPothead
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                    Process patents have been around forever. There is a difference in the law between a process and a mathe... : Jimb0v2
                    • Is there some legal patentspeak defintion of a "process" that doesn't mean "a sequence of finite instruct... : AgentPothead
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              Hardware implementations of algorithms aren't tied to a specific machine, as they can be replicated as pa... : uncleanmonkey
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                You lost me. The way I see it, if you come up with a process for doing something, it should be patenta... : Jimb0v2
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                  What if that process is "a method for reasoning about uncertainty"? Now you've just patented probability ... : uncleanmonkey
                  • It would be a good topic for a paper. The difference between a process and a mathematical algorithm. As... : Jimb0v2
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                    99% of the time, stuff like that gets lumped into a larger overall invention that does something with the... : ra1n
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                      Doesn't matter if you're still not allowed to use the discovered mathematical properties that were patent... : uncleanmonkey
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                        What do you mean? : ra1n
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                          I mean that if you build a machine that's based entirely on mathematical property X, and others are preve... : uncleanmonkey
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                            The idea is that you can't patent a device that precludes the use of the underlying scientific principal ... : ra1n
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                              Yes, I gave one ealier: Marching cubes. It really just patents the geometrical properties of a cube inte... : uncleanmonkey
                              • What's the patent number on this, I want to check that out. : ra1n
    • That was his point. : uncleanmonkey
    • that's why Einstein got away with it. : sharpie
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    All mechanical devices are just physics. : SenorSpine
    • Damn, you stole my response. : ra1n
    • http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=19051899#itemanchor_19051899 : Richese
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      If the patent office had a rule of not patenting physics that might matter :) : AgentPothead
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        Uh, they do. : ra1n
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          Did they ever revoke that patent for swinging on a swing? : AgentPothead
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            You can't patent laws of nature. Physics is a law of nature. Make sense? : ra1n
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              But you just said all mechanical devices are physics, and you can't patent physics, and yet all mechanica... : AgentPothead
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                That was a joke making fun of your software is math line. : ra1n
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                  Hmm, what do you think computer software is if it isn't math? : AgentPothead
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                    Oh jesus christ. Pure mathematics is not computer science. I would argue that computer science is a way... : ra1n
                    • I agree with you they are exceptionally highly related. Hell, I have degrees in both. : ra1n
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                      That's great man, but if computer software isn't math what is it. You can't say something isn't something... : AgentPothead
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                        Do you even fucking read these posts? I said "I would argue that computer science is a way of implementi... : ra1n
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                          Well you guys made a joke after I said that software was math, implying that it isn't math, I was just wo... : AgentPothead
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                            software::math mechanical devices::physics : Jimb0v2
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                              Software IS math though, and if you don't think so I have to ask have you ever programmed anything more t... : AgentPothead
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                                I have a degree in computer science. : Jimb0v2
                                • So explain to me what a computer is doing when it runs software besides doing math. : AgentPothead
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                              Invalid analogy. More like physical reactions::physics. Can you patent that water boils when it's heated... : uncleanmonkey
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                                You can patent the processes required to lead to the boiling of water. Just as you can patent a collectio... : ieGod
                                • ^^ agree. Again, you cannot confuse patentability with patentable subject matter. The process that ... : Jimb0v2
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                                No, but I could patent some device that made water boil exceptionally fast, just like I can patent a soft... : ra1n
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                                  But the problem is that you can ALSO patent a mathematical property of geometry, so long as you claim it'... : uncleanmonkey
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                                    If you want to break down any device imaginable (based on physical mathematical models) you're going back... : ieGod
                                    • I think there is a difference though. In one case you're looking at a mathetmatical model and patenting t... : uncleanmonkey
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                                    Alright: "While a scientific truth, or the mathematical expression of it, is not patentable inventio... : ra1n
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                                      I know that the law allows this kind of bullshit, I'm just saying it's wrong on a moral level because in ... : uncleanmonkey
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                                        Sign, it's not. But if it makes you feel better to just say that over and over, go for it. Give me an e... : ra1n
                                        • I've given several examples in this thread already. : uncleanmonkey
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                                          He's given a bunch of examples but you'd rather reply to AgentPothead than uncleanmonkey :( : Richese
                                          • I need patent numbers or names, though. If you claim that pure scientific princples have been patented, ... : ra1n
                                  • You would make a great examiner. =) (I am not saying you are right or wrong) : Jimb0v2
                        • Computer science really is just a branch of mathetmatics though. Mostly logic. See lambda calculus. : uncleanmonkey
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                      Pure mathematics isn't computer science like a rectangle isn't a square. A square is still a rectangle th... : AgentPothead
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                        No pure mathematics isn't software like the English language isn't a poem. : SenorSpine
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                          But software is pure mathematics and a poem is the english language. : AgentPothead
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                            And you can copyright a poem and patent software : SenorSpine
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                              DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER. This is why I think software at most should be copyrightable :) : AgentPothead
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                                You can get a design patent on a cotton gin. Therefore it should not be patentable. I grant you that ... : Jimb0v2
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                                  Man, you can stay so much more calm. All I can think is idiot RAGE RAGE RAGE. : ra1n
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                                    Says the man who doesn't think computer software is math. : AgentPothead
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                                      That's like calling engineering math. They're based on mathematical principles but there's more to it tha : ieGod
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                                        Your computer is nothing but an adding machine. All it is doing is mathematical formula at very very high... : AgentPothead
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                                          You're missing the point. Software isn't math for the sake of math. It's an application of math for a par... : ieGod
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                                            He made up his mind and no amount of logic is going to sway him. He's shitting up this thread with stupi... : ra1n
                                            • Sorry but I'm not the one advocating software patents so I'm not sure how you can call me stupid. : AgentPothead
                                        • A chair is just metal, wood, and fabric. An ipod is just silicon, copper, plastic, glass, and non-conduc : walker270
                                      • Computer science IS just maths though. If you want to patent all the "fluff" around writing software (lik... : uncleanmonkey
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                                      Never change, please. : ra1n
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                                        For you ra1n I won't, I promise. And guys don't take it so seriously, I know I say a lot of retarded shit... : AgentPothead
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                                          It just makes me upset when I feel like I've wasted my time trying to explain something and it's wasted. : ra1n
                                          • We're on shacknews. Doesn't the very fact of being here signify our time is being wasted? :) : AgentPothead
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                                          The problem is you're not playing devil's advocate -- you're playing stupid. Playing devil's advocat... : walker270
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                                            I'm repeating the "same old line" that software is math, because it IS. I haven't seen a single person pr... : AgentPothead
                                            • Software is an application of math -- just like any disciplines relating to physics or non-biology based ... : walker270
                                          • Thank you, that was well-said. : ra1n
                              • You have no idea what you are talking about. Software and copyright are completely different. Copyright... : ra1n
                            • Can you patent, say, Hexameter? : uncleanmonkey
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                          Computer science is clearly a branch of mathematics. It all follows from Church's and others (mathematica... : uncleanmonkey
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                            distilled down into vbscript for code monkeys. : Antilles_Prime
                            • Well, sort of like how mathematics is distilled down to various tricks for everyday calculations. Algorit... : uncleanmonkey
                  • It's a seperate discipline completely. Is physics math just because there's math involved? : derelict515
                • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_calculus Here's the first few words: "In mathematical logic and co... : uncleanmonkey
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      There's a pretty big difference though. Patenting the properties of cubes being intercepted by a surface ... : uncleanmonkey
      • To clarify: Try patenting maxwell's laws, for example. That would be a valid comparison. The argument aga... : uncleanmonkey
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    Also, all electronic devices are just examples a natural phenomenon. : ra1n
    • Not a good comparison : Richese
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      This was the debate when Morse tried to patent the telegraph. They ultimately decided a specific embodim... : ra1n
      • So, it's actually the precedent example, not just a good comparison. : ra1n
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  i remember nintendo trying to patent the same thing 2 years ago http://www.gamespot.com/news/6144971.... : dantastic
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    that's an entirely different patent :( : mikecyb
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      no, not really. : bagelcc
      • fine I read more than the first paragraph of the article >:( : mikecyb
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    Nintendo DID patent the D-Pad though : two50six
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      Which is why everyone else's D-Pad has sucked to this day. : lolpatrol
      • not anymore ! i think that patent just expired :D : qwpeoriu
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        The Playstation dpad is better, I think. : ieGod
        • crazy talk, the ps d-pad gets really uncomfortable for me if i'm using it for extended periods of time. m... : qwpeoriu
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          technically not a dpad though : two50six
          • True, but very effective. I didn't even realize it wasn't a single contiguous piece until someone mention... : ieGod
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          nothing to see here. this dude is a career PS-Troll : dantastic
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            Says the biased 360 owner with no sense. : ieGod
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              Said the spider to the fly : two50six
              • Except I have a 360 and enjoy it greatly, along with a Wii :( : ieGod
        • Actually it is pretty good. It's really just a + shaped D pad with some plastic covering up the center of... : Dynotaku
• Of course they did. They're players in a game. The game's rules are fucked, but of course the players s... : vigilante
• Considering how questionable business method and other non-physical patents are now legally, I doubt much... : Conan
• Man, that's bullshit. : chazums
• Should have just given them the patent for pinstripes : d fluke

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  This is on my main gaming PC. : deject
  • then the answer is no! : Downforce
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  So what's your plan when August rolls around and the Windows 7 beta expires? : zerog83
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    Install Vista or something. : deject
    • Release candidate one would be nice. It's in MS's best interest to keep people using the OS until it's o... : capt tripps
• if you dont mind reformatting again in august. im just going to wait on my main pc. : feek
• I've been running it as my main os at home. Its installed to a second drive though. Once 8/1 rolls around... : synack
• solid OS even on older unsupported hardware. i went back to xp tho due to performance degradation. : mwasher
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  Here is how this thread is going to go. First you will have the "Yes it is solid and you should" Then t... : DrillBit
  • everything in the above post is true, i would add tho that if your computer is more than just a gaming ma... : lja83
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  My HTPC is Windows 7 : Awun
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    as is mine, it works very good and stable but disable sleep. : stgdz
    • Yes, I learned that one the hard way early on :) : Awun
• dualboot it : dantastic
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  Whats the point? You all know damn well W7 is just Vista with some polish. The beta lacks the driver or c... : avatar_58
  • I was using a nice computer c2d 2ghz computer with 3.49gb of ram and it was absolutely a pig. Vista > XP.... : boomstickah
  • I have (and like) Vista, but I like using 7 a lot more. The interface tweaks and polish may be small, bu... : Bruzilla
  • The point being 7 is an upgrade over Vista... : derelict515
  • Oh god not you again. Saying it over and over doesn't make it true. : uncleanmonkey
  • Yep, it's Vista with all the crap they messed up fixed. I went back to Vista this week and it doesn't fe... : melkore
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    WITH GUNS : rosewood
    • REALLY COOL GUNS : glio1337
  • Its works better then Vista and somehow has better driver support then vista does. I installed it primary... : bozer
  • But all drivers that work in Vista work in Windows 7. And I think a lot of people running 7 are people th : OverloadUT
  • Yep, I'm avoiding Vista to make a point, that's it. Wait. : node
• my experiences say NO DO NOT DO IT : Yanks
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  I've been using W7 beta for about two weeks as my main OS and I haven't run into any real problems yet. : slax0r
  • Yep me too. I have it set up to dual boot with Vista incase I need to switch over for something, but I ha... : thecray
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  It´s better than Vista performance wise, I´d do it... : davidc02
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    good performance in general, but not always: http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/windows_7_gaming_perform... : jujubees
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      uhhh, Vista appears to be creaming XP in a lot of those tests. Isn't XP supposed to run games faster than... : thecray
      • that hasn't been true for quite a while : zerog83
    • I got terrible game performance. Mount & Blade was completely unplayable in Windows 7 but when I went ba... : mwasher
    • Interesting... And even though it´s only a beta, I don´t think they will polish it that much more perfo... : davidc02
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  The answer is NO, because it will stop working on Aug 1 : devnullgt
  • this is why I won't do it, I want to be able to upgrade to the final version : Halen
  • This is the only reason I am not using it as my main. :( : OverloadUT
  • When is it supposed to come out for retail? : nyranger66
• I wouldn't volunteer to be a beta tester with my main OS. : jingletard
• I'm doing it. : uncleanmonkey
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  prior to using it I would have said no but after having it installed for the last 2 weeks I don't see why... : vynn
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    Because it will stop working in august... : devnullgt
    • you could be hit by a car in July. : Slowtreme
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      that is 5 months away, a pretty long time. : deject
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        I like to keep an OS around for more than 5 months : devnullgt
        • Certainly, but if you have an automated backup/restore system in place (like Live Mesh or something) then... : derelict515
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          Ideally, I agree, but a Windows install can get pretty cluttered in 5 months. : deject
          • Only if you're constantly installing/reinstalling stuff -- far more than most people. The idea of rei... : walker270
        • i don't think i've had an OS stay on any of my personal machines for more than 5 months before i get feel... : lja83
• Yes. Answer to your followup question: I don't know. : deviantpaul
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  I ran it for a few weeks until Windows decided that the digital signature for my DVD-r drivers had change... : bRAINsick
  • did you send a feedback report? because you should : lja83
• That's just crazy talk right there. : The_Archon
• I haven't run into any major issues, but I play a few games and don't do anything serious. I'm hoping ... : fleabug
• I'm using 7 on my main machine, with only a small handful of snags. I'm willing to deal with a bit of iff... : reign27
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  aren't they shutting down the 7 beta in a couple weeks? : Clay
  • that's just the downloads, they're not making installs stop working : derelict515

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• It's awful, thief. : nevicata
• It's really bad. Not in a so bad it's actually unintentionally funny, but just...bad. I made it 3 episode... : Frozen Pixel
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  I have been watching it on Hulu. I think it's pretty good personnally. Ep. 9 was fantastic. : fatalsync
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    I'll skip to episode 9; a compromise between you, nevicata, and Frozen Pixel's opinion. : thief
    • Keep in mind, I have no knowledge of the books, so I'm not tainted by any preconceptions. : fatalsync
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  I was all excited about this series until I actually caught an episode. The acting is HORRIBLE. : ForestCreature
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    I'm always intrigued by acting. I wonder if the show would better if you gave the same lines and same co : thief
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      Good acting can make a world of difference. Take dogville, which is shot on an obviously fake set (like t... : uncleanmonkey
      • ^^^ What he said. : ForestCreature
      • I'll rent dogville soon. : thief
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  It's not that bad. I'd really prefer it if they had stuck with some of the original lore brought out by t... : digital_d
  • I feel as if I could tolerate the campy way hey chose to do the series were it more faithful to the narra... : thief
  • Yeah Naked empire was awful. He didn't even try to veil the fact it was a book designed nothing but to b... : nukewinter
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  I tried to read the first of those books and it was awful. : tashtego
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    If I didn't have other books I wanted to read I'd go back through it to compare how I feel about it now t... : thief
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      The writing was really clumsy and terrible. : tashtego
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        Also the male/female relationship was so ridiculously hackneyed and borderline misogynistic (kind of like... : tashtego
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          I'm trying to figure out if you are thinking of a different book or what. Wizards First Rule is probably ... : gyrfalcon
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            Nope, that's the book. Couldn't even finish it, and I have a pretty high patience with fantasy writers wh... : tashtego
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              Erikson is a terrible writer? : Goncyn
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                tashtego, I am disappointed that you would make such a bold claim about my favorite author and then not s... : Goncyn
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                  I like him a lot, but it's in spite of his terrible writing skills. I fear that he is one of those geeks ... : tashtego
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                    I'm curious what you do for a living, if you don't mind me asking. Are you a writer or editor or teacher ... : Goncyn
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                      I'm an avid reader. I read a lot of straight literature, and I'm a tried and true devotee of the "great A... : tashtego
                      • What you see as irrelevancy is a lot of interconnected details throughout the series. Erikson will devote : Magus
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                        The guy is a graduate of the Iowa Writer's Workshop, which is a prestigious graduate-level writing progra : Goncyn
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                          I was working on my BA in English when I dropped out and went into the service. Kinda wish I had finished... : Magus
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                            I think I would like being an editor. Teaching, well, I don't know how good I am at it. I didn't have a c : Goncyn
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                              Doing something just to do it rarely turns out well, unless the doing itself is a hell of a lot of fun. W... : Magus
                              • I would make a fine teacher and, admittedly, the lifestyle -- as malleable as I think it can be -- fits m : thief
                        • That's good to know that he went to Iowa- my criticism stands but now I know I'm wrong as to its origin =... : tashtego
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                          Also, you should come back to Moby Dick at some point. At least read the opening chapters so you'll be pl... : tashtego
                          • I did read the first hundred pages or so. I appreciate certain aspects of the book from a literary and hi... : Goncyn
                          • I agree. I never enjoyed the classics until after leaving college, when I was no longer forced to read th... : Magus
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                        Have you read anything by Dan Simmons? : thief
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                          Loved The Terror (because I'm obsessed with whaling and arctic exploration), re-reading Hyperion right no... : tashtego
                          • Hyperion is undoubtedly worth re-reading :D : thief
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                His plots are a mess, he sucks at character development, he suffers from "pet word" syndrome (witness the... : tashtego
                • One very notable exception though: Karsa Orlong is a great character. I wish he would give the rest of th... : tashtego
                • I don't know. I have never noticed the "pet word" problem, and that's something I thought I was fairly se... : Goncyn
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                  I can't take someone's argument seriously when they wring their hands over a word choice. : Magus
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                    Huh? Susurrate is a perfectly cromulent word. It's the repetition that annoys me. : tashtego
                    • You don't have to resort to slang to make your point. :) : Magus
                • Totally irrelevant, but I'm laughing because I understand your Golden Corral analogy having gone to one f... : shyguy74
            • Please explain sussuration. I mean, I know what it means, etc, but... : thief
          • It's misogynistic in the fact that it's a very male perspective on female characters. Robert Jordan did t... : Modica Sol Solis
      • I agree 100%. Goodkind is a terrible writer and not even a very good storyteller. If I had the time, I wo... : Anti_dentite
  • Hmm, the first one is actually pretty good .... : nukewinter
  • I also thought the first one was very good and it went downhill from there. It's been a while, though. : Goncyn
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  I'd say skip over it in anticipation of the HBO's adaptation of A Song of Ice and Fire. Apparently they ... : Jenings
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    He needs to hurry up and finish the series before he croaks. : c0bra
    • Truth to that, it would be one of the bigger cock teases I can recall to see some of the character thread... : Jenings
• any show with naked old men holding chickens is ok in my book : GloriousCow
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  You mean The Legend of the Seeker. It can be pretty terrible but some episodes have a minor spark that gi... : Landrosradick
  • iawtp : c0bra
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  I really like it, and the actress who plays kahlen is so fucking hot. : jayares
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    That's really its only saving grace, and the effects budget is decent. : Vantage
    • The slowmo battles are awesome too, hollywood could learn a few things from this show. : jayares
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  The fantasy genre is campy by default, so I think the show is decent for what it is. : thebigbeefsandwich
  • I keep wanting to reply to this post and say something eloquent about how claiming fantasy is "campy by d... : Goncyn
• thief, take my word as gospel on this subject, it's fucking terrible. I've read all the books (in add... : fuell
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  The show is horrible, but watchable. Unlike Merlin. That was just sad. I have no idea how they pla... : fleabug
  • I liked Merlin too :( : jayares

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• when i think of drucifer i hear 'somewhere out there' and get a tear in my eye. : maulla
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  Phil - remember that time you posted a video of your kids eating crackers without water until one of them... : PapaBoo
  • the best part was when Phil asked his son if his brother spit in his mouth to help him cheat. the look o... : smoking pets
  • i loved that video, illustrated perfect father/son good times with nagging ball and chain ruining the fun... : handofthrawn
  • Man that video was pure awesome. : c0bra
  • i remember that. good times indeed. : askedrelic
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    http://www.philsized.com/crackerboy.avi (this one doesn't have the edits where I put in the overlays when... : Phil
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      hahaha, your kid threw up for eating too many crackers the night before? hahahaha : MagicWishMonkey
      • haha no i think he was sick or something - or maybe didnt feel good. i can tell his eyes are red and he ... : Phil
    • you're the nazi, forcing them to eat crackers : AllYourBase
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      My son will be born within the next few weeks. I'm looking forward to father/son hijinx such as this. :) : kek
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        I have some funny ones where one of them sneaks in and tapes the handle down on the water spraying thingy... : Phil
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          Do they ever beat the crap out of each other? A prank like that would have turned into an all-out bra... : MagicWishMonkey
          • Oh no. I don't let them beat on each other. I have them hold it all in & keep it bottled up inside unti... : Phil
        • I remember that one! : Dave-A
• i will need to see this picture for good time remembered : xwer
• man that girl used to be so hot : FrayLo
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  i want drucifer back >:( : papaskot
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    where is he? : c0bra
    • ? : papaskot
    • Maybe he went in for a pun-ectomy? : Bold
    • Stuck under a stack of dictionaries : d fluke
    • eaten my rabid squirrels. : PapaBoo
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      Haiku was being a dick (as usual) to him and that's the last we've seen of him. : CapnChaos
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        The bizarre thing is that he wasn't really. He was making a comment about the dead horse nature of shack... : SiW.
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          yea, drucifer took it the wrong way I think. Haiku wasn't being a dick, he was acting the way he alwa... : MagicWishMonkey
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            It was just funny that haiku went on a schtick rant by doing his schtick. : SiW.
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              Yea, it sucks that drucifer took it the wrong way :( : MagicWishMonkey
              • And to be fair I don't know if that's why drucifer's not posting. He could be busy and the timing was co... : SiW.
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            tomato / tomahto : mwasher
            • Hahaha : OverloadUT
        • He took it a little far and tried to bring too much attention to it. If I was drucifer I would have felt... : changejar419
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        you people are being silly and it's nothing like that and lighten up or else george bush with say okay no... : geedeck
        • NO YOU'RE SILLY GEEDECK I can't even understand your sentence. Anyway, I have no idea why he's really... : CapnChaos
      • oh shit modboard conspiracy time!!!!! only the return of UMAX can save us :( : Downforce
      • wow i just looked up that thread and remember reading it when it happened, didn't realize that drucifer h... : snicker-snack 2
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        i don't think he was trying to be a dick on purpose, i think he just thought he was being funny. Only pro... : qwpeoriu
        • a zombified teet : proclone1
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        drucifer has been wanting to spend a lot less time online for a long time. i don't think this is him bein... : [fry]
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          no it was me I did it on purpose, fuck drucifer : haiku
          • you bastard! : MagicWishMonkey
          • You're doing it wrong, you need to stretch the reply over three posts minium : d fluke
          • I fucking knew it : CapnChaos
          • I was going to make a boring haiku joke but that seems rather redundant. : deject
          • No man, Fuck You. :P : virus
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        Who will fill our daily pun quota? :( : stump
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          I will phil your pun quota. I'm no match for the master. i sucks. : Phil
          • lolol : askedrelic
      • did he make it to 100,000 at least? : Flynn
    • drucifer is fine; he is on sabbatical. : dognose
  • We need a drucifer montage with lots of slow-mo's and a fade-out at the end :( : HojuSimpson
• Post cracker video and said pic. : risimage
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  Phil, remember when you actually posted SIL pics? : devnullgt
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    Phil said she got ugly :( : pukerat
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      I think she just got older, and Phil likes his 16 year olds : devnullgt
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        http://i43.tinypic.com/zkomkz.jpg this one is new... and probably a common occurance these days. she... : Phil
        • bukkake! : dirge23
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          WTF is going on in this picture : devnullgt
          • More like, what's going in in this picture : -efx-
        • still would hit : FrayLo
        • ahh drunk chicks insert here : askedrelic
        • That's the spirit : d fluke
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          is she all "look at me look at me!" and drama-y? because that's annoying as fuck : Mr.SEX
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            yes. she's like those fucking bims on The Hills. materialistic, vapid cunts. and her voice and overa... : Phil
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              when's the last time you jerked off to her : [fry]
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                probably 6 weeks ago. she disgusts me. she's still in my rotation, but just as like a Hall of Fame wank... : Phil
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                  ok 2 days ago. : Phil
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                    if you walked into a room and she was laid out like a butterflied shrimp with a shaven kitty thrust up in... : [fry]
                    • you know me too well. : Phil
        • lol sounds like my sister-in-law : bozer
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          sounds like the chicks I hang out with. introduce me : wtf242
          • you have to treat her like shit and do a lot of drugs or she's not interested. : Phil
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          I still have the beach camel-toe pic you took. Its awesome. : trOmblyj
          • *zing* : devnullgt
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            i didnt take it, but i have to give it an A+ : Phil
            • Really? I figured for it to be such an obvious crotch shot it could have only come from you. : trOmblyj
          • I am not familiar with this pic! : riptyde
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            i will have to go through my collection, i don't remember this : FrayLo
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              There has to be a collection of all the SIL pics, where are they? : risimage
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                hiding in the shadows. archiving shit people post is bad form. : Audhuml4
                • yeah i had mentioned a while back that i was not going to post as many pictures of her as I'd pushed my l... : Phil
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              i'll shoot you and riptyde a shackmsg tonight. i'll need to upload it. : Phil
              • cc me pls : boomstickah
              • thx : riptyde
          • Missed this one :( : punchdog
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          who's her current sugar daddy? : Downforce
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            He doesn't play a filthy Mage in World of Warcraft. He's got that going for him. : Phil
            • /cast invis /pout in the corner /charge pyroblast : Downforce
        • That one's going in the spank bank : riptyde
        • Frosty refroze =( : pharoah mike
        • Looks like she turned into a cum-dumpster. *unzips* : Ride-My-Rocket
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          Lindsay Lohan? So she'll blow me if I tempt her with an 8-ball of coke? SOLD : HojuSimpson
          • that means the lesbian phase is next, right? : pharoah mike
        • Here you go. http://www.shackpics.com/viewer.x?file=zkomkzidt_6988rtjdv9a4y179edzs.jpg : RomSteady
        • who's hotter, SIL or young mrs phil? : AllYourBase
    • She went crack whore : bombay
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  Maddog_Delphi97. Remember that time when I helped you build this city on cock and LOL? those were good ... : Ride-My-Rocket
  • I remember it! :D : Maddog_Delphi97
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    wasn't that just last week? : trOmblyj
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      Remember that time when you asked if something just happened last week? : Mecha Tofu Pirate
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        that was a good time. : Ride-My-Rocket
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          That new custom map we play for the first time on Shackwest tonight was more fun then I expected =( : pharoah mike
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            are you talkin' to me? ...are you talkin' to me? there's nobody else around, so you must be talkin' to : Ride-My-Rocket
            • The only way to one up posting about things that just happen was to reminisce about things that haven't h... : pharoah mike
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        Good times... I still remember the first password that Askie set for the Battlefield 1942 shackbattles. : Maddog_Delphi97
        • Those 1942 days were awesome, Umax the tank general, the massive drama threads about Mista's engineer exp... : pharoah mike
• DRUCIFER COME BACK I MISS YOUR FUNNY! : voodooraze
• Maybe the squirrels finally got him. Sonsofbitches. We should have listened! We should have listened.... ... : K1Bond007
• Hey shack, remember when we overran Caiger Mall? Those were good times. : trOmblyj
• hey haiku remember that time we drove across the country in our little dick shaped cars. Colorado was fun... : not work safe
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  this whole thread is terrible and you should all pay homage to Chris Farley. : hirez
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    http://www.ericbryant.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/chris-farley-baby.jpg : Maddog_Delphi97
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      hahahahahahahaah : MagicWishMonkey
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        :D : Maddog_Delphi97
        • that's pretty incredible dude, if I had a kid like that I don't think I would ever stop laughing : MagicWishMonkey
    • HAHAHA, that is spot on. : eseiat
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      lol. well played maddog. well played. cock & lols indeed. : hirez
      • :D : Maddog_Delphi97
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  Phil, last night I watched the Seinfeld where George airbrushed himself out of Kruger's picture..fucking ... : EvilDolemite
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    The embarrassing "Boombox Incident" hehe : Phil
    • "God, what a pear-shaped loser." : EvilDolemite
• remember when i posted this http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=12579436 : Mr.SEX

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• lol'd : liqker
• that girl is donkey punch-proof : HojuSimpson
• very lol'd : zebosausamite
• She jumped up to get in your way, did you see that? What a bitch. : SiW.
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  Best video repost: http://www.goonskate.com/video.php?id=4300 : Judecca
  • WOW! this is easily the best trick I've seen to date : aux7
  • holy crap : riptyde
  • Ha! I love how that would have got zero points despite being totally killer. : node
  • pretty impressive lol : eeeealmo
  • hahaha that's badass : zerog83
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    no this is: http://www.goonskate.com/video.php?sort=rating&id=4268 : deathofrats
    • lol what the fuck : zerog83
    • holy shit hahahahahah : Utopia
    • hahah I love this video : fishbone
    • is he looking for his baseball? : SolveChrist
• Impressive physics: http://www.goonskate.com/video.php?sort=rating&id=4482 Seriously : Judecca
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  I'm going to need to rent this on Gamefly... looks like fun : Shadowdane
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    I just got it this weekend. I suck ass at it but it's quite fun : riptyde
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      Yeah I am so fucking bad at it. I can't get it to do more than a few kick flips and trying to do a fancy ... : sigpro
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        My problem is lining up my tricks. There are so many things that cause you to veer off your line. : riptyde
        • I am bad at that also. : sigpro
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  Here are some of my crappy videos I made yesterday. http://skatereel.ea.com/members/1/186852006/98916.as... : shotgun1
  • That run on the alphabet spot was pretty sweet dude. : Scythe99
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    Have you been able to kill the book spot? I can own it, but not kill it. : riptyde
    • The one in the video I'm pretty sure killed it, even if it's not that impressive. :) : shotgun1
    • I couldn't kill it, tried a few times and said fuck that. : sigpro
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  So what's everyone's impressions with this game so far compared to the original? Is the campaign longer,... : Begawkiness
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    I love using the word campaign to describe a skateboarding game : Judecca
    • meh. : Begawkiness
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      Skate Quest 2 : DrZettl
      • The Reckoning : SenorSpine
  • the game seems much longer now. Much more to do. Lots of hidden things out there... like walking through ... : -=kodiak=-
• One of my sweet runs. http://goonskate.com/video.php?id=4703 : DrZettl
• I'm almost convinced to buy this game... : zerog83
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  Can You Spell GIRL? menz Someone on SA posted this method that lets you beat this completely broken ch... : PeanutsEnvy
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    Yeah I ended up having to do a few footplants because koston would never screw up my tricks. You can ... : pyide
    • Yeah, but it's tough to do and I found I'd get them to like S.K.A. over 30 minutes then screw one up, fal... : PeanutsEnvy
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  Guess I will post this here http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=19051292#itemanchor_19051292 Anyone... : sigpro
  • Yeah, I've made a few simple things with it. Helpful hint would be to make the background color trans... : pyide
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  my favourite... water bottle attack! http://www.goonskate.com/video.php?sort=rating&id=4575 : Postal
  • Hah, nice : Judecca

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  leatherworking on a DK? =/ : MoreVespeneGas
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    Why is this bad? The leatherworker only items are awesome for a tank. I can buy plate from other craft... : mace
    • Which kinds of items? You mean armor? Or stuff like armor kits? : action wombmate
    • what is there besides the Fur Lining? blacksmithing has way more bop craftables that would be useful for... : electroly
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      I haven't played since TBC and I can still tell you with a fair amount of confidence that you are wrong :... : SenorSpine
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        This sub-thread makes me sad! : mace
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          seriously though what bop craftables are you talking about? the Fur Lining is the only one i know about ... : electroly
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            There are also leg enhancements. http://wow.crafterstome.com/recipe/jormungar-leg-reinforcements.html ... : mace
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              those are only a minor improvement over the Jormungar Leg Armor which anyone can use, though. blacksmith... : electroly
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                Actually they're exactly the same as- http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38373, they just require less material... : acidnynex
                • ah yeah i forgot about those. makes it even less worth doing leatherworking then. i'm sure you'll spend... : electroly
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                  That and I can wear them at 71 instead of waiting till 80. : mace
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                    aren't you already 80? : electroly
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                      Hell no. 71 on the DK, 73 on my druid. : mace
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                        oh. in that case why do you even care? you shouldn't waste gold enchanting your shit, or even worrying ... : electroly
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                          I think you guys forget, that I'm new to the game with really no support or 'hook-ups'. If I want some... : mace
                          • what i mean is, you're going to replace your gear so many times from 71-80 that you're just throwing mone... : electroly
                        • Jormungar scales had a ridiculous drop rate (not sure if it's been fixed), I have like 50+ and I've made ... : acidnynex
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                        http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Tichondrius&n=Lodii With FP, well fed, and stam scroll ... : mace
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                          OWTF FEMALE NIGHT ELF? : lodit
                          • they have the hottest dance in the game. when they finally give us the custom dances they promised, i'm ... : electroly
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            There is no BoP craftables that are "must haves" anymore, there's almost no BoP craftables at all anymore... : SilverSnake
            • the engineer crafted tanking helmet is pretty damn good http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42549; along with yo... : whereiwannab
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              Dragon's Eyes are pretty fucking sick. Also, extra sockets are for blacksmiths. : Majuju
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                Signed. I'm enchanting/jewelcrafting which is a potent duo. Three badass JC-only gems + enchanted rings... : electroly
                • And the crafted JC trinkets are pretty awesome. For a long time I used the one with +42 intellect, two g... : electroly
            • JCs, LW? What is this? : Magus
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          Don't listen to them, your profession doesn't make that big of a difference. You can just get loot from i... : Goncyn
          • Armor kits are BOE so he can get those anywhere, the 90sta to bracers is nice, though for min/maxers I th... : acidnynex
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    Summary of bonuses exclusive to each profession: 1. Blacksmithing - Maximum gain of 60 stamina, 40 ... : neokolonial
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      wouldn't defense, dodge, and parry be a lot more useful than stamina? death knights are avoidance tanks,... : electroly
      • What he said ^^ : lodit
      • they sure would. not to mention something like mining while not as nice as stamina would be a professiona... : MoreVespeneGas
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      LW is only 50sta now with the new 40sta bracer enchant. : acidnynex
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        I'm not sure if I am understanding this right, but my bracer bonus is 90 sta, : mace
        • There's a new enchanting recipie for bracers that gives 40stamina, and anyone can get that from an enchan... : SilverSnake
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  I like to use wowhead.com's item browsing feature. You can run a search and filter the results by all ki... : action wombmate
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    Yes. You can also use their new "Create a weight scale" feature to have it automatically find good gear f... : Goncyn
    • You guys are awesome, thanks! : mace
• leatherworking =( : lodit
• This article was written just for you, Mace! WoW Guides: Gearing Up the Death Knight and Druid http:/... : Home Nugget
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  Give me some advice for Unholy tanking. What's your rotation? : Rotten Deadite
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    PS IT SS BS BS (RP Dump, keeping UB up) then SS SS SS (Dump), Rinse, Repeat : acidnynex
    • For AOE Pulls I lay down a DnD and DG the nearest mob to me, I then PS, IT, Pest and pop UB and those mob... : acidnynex
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      That's what I do when soloing. In groups: DnD, IT, PS, Pest, DnD Then I watch runic power for UB w... : mace
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        Yeah, the first rotation is mainly for single mob/boss pulls and the like. Though you shouldn't need DnD ... : acidnynex
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          Retarded DPS, Check Situation awareness = 0, Check I'm getting better at the situation awareness, rig... : mace
          • You can actually tweak the way tab targeting works (the angle in front of you in which it will target mob... : acidnynex
• go to wow-loot.com and have a look at the tank only items - and see which instances you need to go to : jbury
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  If you've played other tanks, how would you rate Unholy DK tanking? My main is a prot war, but also have ... : SusanTD
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    Man, I love it. I'm been VERY successful. Success or fail on any pull is directly a result of DnD. If I g... : mace
    • If you went frost you would have howling blast which is snap aoe aggro. If it crits(it crits every enemy... : Nighteyes
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  www.wow-loot.com (or just google Kaliban's Loot List) They have icons across the top of the page for e... : changejar419
  • ^^^ win : mystifier
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  Unholy DonkeyKong? : kainen1
  • Sounds awesome, someone make this. DK = Death Knight the newest class in WoW : acidnynex
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  Read this http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t36303-dps_compendium/ doesn't point out gear, but tells you ... : lodit
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    While that's an awesome thread that's mainly for DPS, tanking stat weights are going to be completely dif... : acidnynex
    • blah I am retarded, missed the tank part. : lodit
• I like this site: http://wow-loot.com/deathknight.htm And leatherworking on a DK is...not very good. ... : kek
• This place got me started: http://deathknight.info/forum/index.php?topic=4337.0 : YoYo
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  Leatherworking on DK - I took up skinning as I knew I would be able to mass pull as a DK tank. I figured ... : mace
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    Jewelcrafting / blacksmithing are best imo. : lodit
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      only if you're already rich, though. jc will cost you thousands of gold to level to 450 and blacksmithin... : electroly
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        You only need like 380 JC if you only care about the special gems. : TreMetal
        • I stopped at 400 since that's what you need for the BoP trinkets. : electroly
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    skinning/mining for life yo. I just buy shit off the AH with all of the cash coming out of my ears. : kek
    • there is wisdom here many overlook : Downforce
  • I say, fuck the haters. That's a good combo. You can craft stuff for your druid (without having to buy ma... : SilverSnake
• This is all you need to know. Here is my tank after about 2 weeks of being 80 (I have never stepped into... : Nighteyes
• Leatherworking/JC is still pretty damn good for a DK and cheaper to raise than BS/JC. : Link.
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  After a 1-2 year hiatus, what professions should I get for my DK? Don't really care about making money. T... : Magus
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    prostitution/fluffer : xxiv
    • Why would I want to play in a game about something I do in real life? : Magus
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    Enchanting/Jewelcrafting is pretty good. Blacksmithing/Jewelcrafting is also good as there are some Bo... : Zhaneel
    • min/max choice, meaning...? : Magus
• http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=28521.0 /eot : pancake humper

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  I like it. : Maddog_Delphi97
  • A snow level would definitely be fucking awesome, because it would be nice to see the blood splatters : shwortdogg
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  basically a map that's like the set of 30 Days 30 Nights would be awesome : SolveChrist
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    Do you mean 30 Days of Night or am I not hip to watchoo diggin'? : c0bra
    • yea, that's the ticket. : SolveChrist
    • 30 days of night scenario would be awesome! hunters crawling crawling under the homes : dantastic
• oooh. thats a good one. : hirez
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  Zombies freeze, wouldn't be any fun. This of course is common knowledge assuming you've read your co... : ezanga
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    Or World War Z. : ieGod
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      World War Z worth reading if I'm in a zombie mood? : Bull
      • Absolutely : trebarg
      • It's a great read. Yes. : ieGod
      • Loved the book. You will no doubt enjoy it. : ezanga
      • So awesome. I need to read it again. : khaosman
      • Yes! Even if you're not in a zombie mood : Perturbation
      • Buy it now. It goes perfectly along with L4D. : Psigun
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    Luckily they're not zombies! : SiW.
    • Shut up : CRasterImage
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    Isn't there a movie out there with Nazi zombies in the Alps? I'm pretty sure a trailer was posted here a ... : Mmmmmoo
    • It's called Dead Snow http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1278340/ : grabbie
    • Yes, and it's going to be fucking amazing. http://www.horror-movies.ca/AdvHTML_Upload/deadsnow.jpg : aux7
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  I like snow footstep noises so yes! : A Sponge
  • this is the best reason for it : zerog83
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    mmm, like the ones on Bjork's Vespertine album...*has mental images of 100's of infected bjorks running t... : niceguynick
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      I would freak the heck out if Valve made a level with hundreds of witches. : A Sponge
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        http://www.shackpics.com/files/left4deadwhichwitch_5iicobhbpi04uzvin3t9.jpg : niceguynick
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          Fantastic! That's a Bjork music video right there! Eventually their discordant weeping forms into a beaut... : A Sponge
          • ...I think this is that exact song! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=j5JAyY1lIyA witch on the beach :D : niceguynick
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  If the Smoker's tongue hits anything metal it should freeze in place! : helvetica
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    Then he would pull himself into easy shooting range! : action wombmate
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      Yes! That's what the Smoker gets for trying to catch people. Also if you shove the Boomer, he falls do... : helvetica
      • hahaha this level needs to be made for both of your ideas. Genius :) : nodebug
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        Katamari 4 Dead mod! : Dave-A
        • this is actually a great idea. : ass-street
  • That would be great. : chazums
  • Use it as a clothesline to knock down the survivors. : melkore
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  That would be actually super awesome. The only problem I could foresee is it would be a lot easier to see... : mysled
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    maybe the super infected could have altered skins? a more greyish colour, frosted style...so much scope f... : niceguynick
    • That would be awesome. One of them should have a beard, and the tank should definitely have a tiny santa ... : mysled
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      it just needs to be snowing... heavily... limited visibility would be craaaazy : brainchild420
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        blizzard conditions to replace the DRAMATIC MUSIC during important events, but regular snow othertimes : pharoah mike
        • I really like this idea. The howl of wind, too. : heartsauce
    • Boomer is a snowman, Tank is a Yeti, Witch is a coed snowbunny : pharoah mike
  • Camo parkas for all Special Infected : changejar419
  • Dropzone the Special Infected! : Ride-My-Rocket
• I'd probably piss myself with glee if this came out.. I'd want sexy snow particles frosting my eyes, I'd ... : niceguynick
• Blood on the snow. Blood on the snow. : spiderfill
• i like this idea. : mmaster_pw
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  will the tank be able to throw snow balls? : Horn
  • now if the tank could cause avalanches? that i like : pharoah mike
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  Love it. SDK Valve, SDK. There's tons of awesome ideas and we'd have fun playing new campaigns. : kainen1
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    yea, but even so, once the SDK releases we won't see anything WTF amazing for at least 6 months. Sure ... : dedgecko
    • Unless the gaming studio is Valve... : heartsauce
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  I love it. We can make snow angels and a snow man. We can make him tall or we can make him not so tall. : ADSliv
  • we can name him Beowolf : SolveChrist
• Good idea! : bombay
• ooo.... I likey! Btw, any word on when the next round of patches is coming? It seems like 75% of th... : Ride-My-Rocket
• snow levels are always awesome! : MoreVespeneGas
• Come and see the new musical Zombies On Ice! : lolpatrol
• I've been syaing for weeks that I want a snow level. : re-verse
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  I hate snow. : NFXFSX
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    I hate salted roads. : Fyunch Click
    • I hate icicles. : SiW.
  • I hate chairlifts : re-verse
  • I hate Christmas : guido anchovy
  • I hate Ski Bunnies.... oh wait. No I Don't : hirez
  • I hate snowboarders. : Arcanum
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    I hate it when the waffles stick together. : ADSliv
    • Ain't that the fuckin truth. : jamesray
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    I hate chapped lips : pharoah mike
    • oh man, who doesn't? : zerog83
  • I hate Grouchy Smurf : Rag and Bone Man
  • I hate Whoville : guido anchovy
  • I hate Illinois nazis. : systatic
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  It would be awesome to have zombies frozen waste deep swiping at you when you run by! Oh man and when you... : yosemiteclimber
  • all of these things would be awesoem - but i can't see it happening without some crazy modifications to t... : re-verse
• Die hard 2 with zombies... IM IN! : Demius
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  I was thinking this! Either that or any amusement park. And this game needs some melee weapons. : Dave-A
  • I hate cotton candy. : Arcanum
  • grabbin' churros : SolveChrist
  • Enjoy the Boomer Flume Ride! bleurrgggh! : Dave-A
  • I want to spend a scripted instance defending myself from zombies from inside a working tilt o' whirl : pharoah mike
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    An amusement part would be a fun scenario too! Good idea! : grendel
    • I was trying to think of a scenario that would be creepy and varied, yet different enough from the curren... : Dave-A
    • it has to have a fun house with wacky mirrors though. : SolveChrist
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    i don't really want an amusement park level :( but at this point i will take 4 new levels of anything ... : jedi_27
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      Why not? It would be a constrained, varied environment. A good excuse for odd angles and architectural el... : Dave-A
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        You're just afraid that they'll add a version of the Boomer that will make you eat pizza >:( : Dave-A
        • that fucker!!!! SHOOT HIM! ps i like pizza :( : jedi_27
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    Someone needs to reskin the infected as demented clowns or carnies. : deathofrats
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      Christ no. That will lead to a remake of Psycho Circus. : Fyunch Click
      • hahahaha I forgot all about that shit! : zerog83
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  I fully support this, and that's a great picture. : Dynotaku
  • And the boomer would shoot pukecicles. : Dynotaku
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  smoker!...oh wai http://www.mcnblogs.com/mcindie/archives/images/dd4.jpg : niceguynick
  • HAHAHA : Downforce
• "wrap up warm" sounds like some kind of bad translation. it should just be "bundle up". otherwise it wo... : mikecyb
• Snow Nazi Zombies? : locater16
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  A snow scenario would be GREAT! I like the poster but the line at the top is worded sort've clumsily, : grendel
  • Pretty sure it was for some German contest. That would be why. : Confrustrating
• That's a great pic, I expected something hacked together but the jackets are spot on and everything. : node
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  thats my new wallpaper : Unleashed
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    http://i39.tinypic.com/2hobati.jpg You need that for your new wallpaper. : Confrustrating
    • holy shit awesome : Downforce
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      no smoker :( : Dave-A
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        What? He's on the left. : Moonbase Commander
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          Isn't that the Witch? The smoker is more short-haired and lumpy! http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t280/... : Dave-A
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            Hmm. I think the one of the left looks like a dude, is all. The short hair is a valid point, though. : Moonbase Commander
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              it does look like a dude. i think with the glowy eyes and long hair, we have ourselves a wizard! : Dave-A
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                That's a witch. Smoker has boils on his face. : heartsauce
                • yes heartsauce that's what i've been saying all along! : Dave-A
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        he's behind you waiting for his cool-down to expire : dedgecko
        • /cough, bleeeech : Fyunch Click
    • That's pretty metal. : SiW.
    • this is my new wallpaper! : Unleashed
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  I need to play this game more. : edgewise
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    yes you do. But don't play with Fyunch Click : jedi_27
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      die. when are we playing again? I feel the need to kill you. : Fyunch Click
      • i will be on with the gang tonight around 8 or so :) : jedi_27
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  as long as they keep zoey warm i don't care. : jedi_27
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    cold zoey = pointy nipples. Sometimes I just don't get you. : Fyunch Click
    • good point. then i can warm them up for her : jedi_27
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  I'm holding my breath for a shopping mall : zerog83
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    followed by the inevitable cease and desist orders. : Fyunch Click
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      Why? : Godhatesfatpeople
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        if they (owners of the Dawn of the Dead property) went after Capcom for Dead Rising and spent lots of mon... : Fyunch Click
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          Unless the stores and characters resemble anything found in the film. They don't have a case. A mall sett... : Godhatesfatpeople
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            the video posted of the mall map made in source was a direct rip of the Mall in the remake of Dawn. : Fyunch Click
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              Well I'm not talking about a user-made map. If Valve ever attempted a Mall setting (Because, why the fuck... : Godhatesfatpeople
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                point conceded, I was coming from the mod standpoint, not official Valve releases. : Fyunch Click
                • I'm just holding out for the official Valve maps. :P : Godhatesfatpeople
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        So the movie execs can send their LDS (lawyer defense squad) and claim damages to the Dawn of the Dead fl... : dedgecko
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          Yeah that would be a stretch. Would the fast zombies be enough to claim they "stole the idea" from the re... : Godhatesfatpeople
          • it doesn't matter if the case is valid. the point is they're likely to get sued, which is a huge waste of... : dirge23
    • lol wtf. : barichnikov
  • A school might be cool as well. schools out... Forever! : khaosman
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  How about a renaissance festival level called The Princess Died? : baron calamity
  • Add in swords as melee weapons and it could work. : Fyunch Click
  • lol, level full of boomers in green stockings : Modulus
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    I hate LARPers. : Fyunch Click
    • ....except THPG : dedgecko
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  Upside-down cruise ship! : Snuffles-
  • this idea is awesome! : jedi_27
  • I like the sound of this : niceguynick
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    You'll have to use your charmander to burn a hole through the hull... : notdeadyeti
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      Maybe! But no. The cruise ship would be a level or two of the campaign. Then you'd come out onto some spo... : Snuffles-
      • not a bad idea. You could make the helicopter a transport copter that brought in a highly skilled anti-te... : Fyunch Click
  • i liked that level in tomb raider II : GloriousCow
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    I'm working on a 1940s horror game that takes place on a luxury cruise ship. Since we are using the Sourc... : freakynipples69
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      that's pretty cool! : bakanoodle
      • Thanks. Spread the word if you'd like :) : freakynipples69
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      The Ship 2: The Shippier? : GloriousCow
      • Haha almost. Think Bioshock on a cruise ship (what a stretch!). : freakynipples69
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  Great Wall of China! : c0bra
  • that would be to linear :) : jedi_27
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    god damn zomgorians. : Snuffles-
    • hahaha : .Jayson
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  REDRUM : mnsnota
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    A hotel, like the Overlook e.g.; huge, sprawling and creepy, could be very cool and integrate a snow leve... : Fyunch Click
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      and a topiary maze! : Dave-A
      • Escape to the Snow Machine! : mnsnota
      • and furries! : dirge23
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        A topiary maze in Left 4 Dead would be fun. : Maddog_Delphi97
        • Esp when the tank starts smashing through it : zakazi
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      one of the greatest hotels in the world: http://www.moguls.com/images/property/14/1436-1.jpg http://w... : ifallible
      • also, interior: http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://farm1.static.flickr.com/70/185565900_6f5d74c... : ifallible
    • http://www.stanleyhotel.com/ : mnsnota
• A seaside amusement park would be cool too. Start out in a big city and gradually make it to the park whe... : Psigun
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  Is the SDK out yet and if not why? WTF Valve? : mrwolf710
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    no-one knows except Valve :'( : niceguynick
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      they hate us, that is the only answer. : bakanoodle
      • oh god, is it because we're ugly? : ermac
• nighttime version of dustbowl or goldrush from TF2. the escape vehicle can be a rocket ship : Mmmmmoo
• Don't really care what it is.. just give me some new stuff : snuff
• I would like to see some new gamemodes that stray a little from the running from A to B and instead have ... : heartsauce
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  A speeding train. A space station. The Golden Gate Bridge. Alcatraz. An island AND a prison! A volcano! A... : Magus
  • http://www.k1bond007.com/Downloads/Shack/L4D_Ashes.jpg Just fucking around with Photoshop. ;) : K1Bond007
• I'm looking forward to this one too: http://www.wegame.com/watch/left_4_dead_crossroads_mall_video/ : bakanoodle
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  A computer software company office. Titled, "Abandonedware" : Sailor of Fortune
  • IIRC, isn't Louis a programmer or something? This would be a great "character-driven" level : Sailor of Fortune

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  if your wife is there, hells yes! : dahanese
  • Of course she will be :D : OverloadUT
• Ew, Novato! ;) : DJ Clipdat
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  yes. as long as we start & finish at Moylan's. : hirez
  • That's a damn fine idea : OverloadUT
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    aye Kilt lifter : hrdwregk
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      DIPA and Hopsicle = omg awesome. : hirez
      • It has been a quite a few years since I have enjoyed Moylans. : hrdwregk
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    What's Moylan's? : taronish
    • a delicious brewery. : dahanese
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    At my last apartment I could see Moylan's from my window. : s2jason
    • I live less than 3 minutes away from there so it'll be perfect. : OverloadUT
  • I'm there. : yosemiteclimber
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  Not a bad drive for me. I might be down as long as it was on a weekend or friday night : mojo the helpr monke
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    It would almost definitely be a Saturday night. And meeting at Moylan's is pretty much a perfect idea. : OverloadUT
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      cool, sounds good. I'm sure FPSDavid would want to roll with me too, we live right by each other. : mojo the helpr monke
      • For some reason I thought FPSDavid was on the east coast : OverloadUT
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      If we can get a dog watcher, maybe BlackCat and I could make the drive. : DianeOfTheMoon
      • That would be incredibly awesome : OverloadUT
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  I'm not gonna lie - probably not. Novato is far from me. : virus
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    hey, if I can get down there, dont be lame! : hirez
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      Alright. Give me a date, and I'll see if it's feasible. : virus
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        Plus I need to prove to Dahanese that I actually am a likable person. ;) : virus
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          i thought ra1n was a big jerkface before i went to qcon. (and actually my experience with him at qcon kin... : dahanese
          • It's one of my life's goals. : virus
  • Yeah it's no problem. I'm just doing this quick survey to find out if it's worth my time to organize it! ... : OverloadUT
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  I've lived in the Bay Area all my life, and I can't say I've actually ever heard of the city of Novato \= : shyguy74
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    Where in the bay area do you live? If you're not in the North Bay it would made sense as there isn't much... : OverloadUT
    • Novato. It's not the end of the world, but you can see it from here. : DianeOfTheMoon
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      i'm from San Jose. i only recently figured out where Petaluma is since I had to go to a wedding up there. : shyguy74
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        san jose and novato are pretty much on opposite edges of the bay area : JINKY
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          Yeah, San Jose and Milpitas are the only cities down there that I could actually name. : OverloadUT
          • it's actually spelled milpenis : xsoulbrothax
• I'd probably be down, if I can get a ride up there from the city-ish. : rudds
• How about something this Friday night? I'll be in town to watch the Sharks vs the Blackhawks : bcyde
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  Maybe but I'm notorious hard to get out of the house. As you know. : Zhaneel
  • sup : not work safe
  • Oh whatever. : Ajax
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  tempting for me. approximately 2 hours away, but hirez's idea is encouragement, so maybe. : SolveChrist
  • There is no motivator like good beer! : OverloadUT
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  You should do this the weekend that I'm there! the weekend I'm there is Valentine's Day nobody is goin : Deathlove
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    Yeah probably not a great idea, and too soon anyway. :( But while you're in town we could do something... : OverloadUT
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      Yeah, I gotta figure out a time to do that; flying in on Saturday night was the only way I could pull it ... : Deathlove
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        Monday and Sunday nights work for me : OverloadUT
        • Cool, I'll ask my wife if/when I will be allowed loose into the wilds from Belmont (as a point of referen... : Deathlove
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  I will be in town feb 18-22nd, but I will only have my bike as transportation. I would enjoy going to a s... : not work safe
  • i'm back from london late on the 20th, do something on the 21st! : dahanese
  • you could take the ferry north to meet at moylan's to drink. : hamachi
• I can probably come. I am going to be out of town on the 28th of Feb. but yeah I live not too far away. : Delaric
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  Looks like lots of cool people might show up - Novato is a bit of a trip from Santa Cruz, but it would be... : taronish
  • hell if you're in santa cruz we can carpool! : SolveChrist
• with the new geeklet, no way can I make it. sorry! have fun though : hamachi
• I would love to. As long as something doesn't pop up on me. : happynoodle
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  Why don't any other people have a shackmeet in cali North bay is too far :( : med1c
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    It's a lot of work to organize a big shackmeet like what I'm trying to do. Not just hosting but the organ... : OverloadUT
    • yes. it is. that being said, if you need help with all but cleanup, i've organized a few. : dahanese
    • no shit. big parties are awesome but a ton of work. : hamachi
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      haha i understand this, not sure what this has to do with wishing shackmeets were else where in cali, I t... : med1c
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        I was just answering "why don't any other people...?" because the answer is other people don't want to go... : OverloadUT
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          I think we are confusing shackmeets hehe. I mean just even meeting up at a bar and doing a movie/dinner d... : med1c
          • Oh no offense at all! And yeah I know what you mean. People being spread out sadly makes it a lot harder ... : OverloadUT
• you know what? i'd come up :( i'd even go to the apartment 167 lan, but every time i get the email it's a... : xsoulbrothax
• Most definitely! : Sailor of Fortune