Evening Reading

Those November Nintendo numbers are crazy, but the PS3 numbers are even crazier. With Sony slashing jobs and expecting dismal revenue to begin wtih, they can't be very happy about that.

The news for today:

From The Chatty
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    December 11, 2008 5:27 PM

    it'll be sad if the PS3 fizzles out - right now, it's finally seeming to hit some kind of a stride!

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      December 11, 2008 5:29 PM

      I've always had a theory that the PS2 and 360's numbers are so high because of the high failure rates (people rebuying them) and piracy. The PS3 suffers neither.

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        December 11, 2008 5:30 PM

        Haha, I doubt it

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        December 11, 2008 5:31 PM

        Except the 360 gets replaced for free in the vast majority of cases

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        December 11, 2008 5:32 PM

        360 replacements do not inflate the numbers

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          December 11, 2008 5:34 PM

          a lot of people end up buying a new one when they get on their 3rd and 4th ones

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            December 11, 2008 5:35 PM

            A very very very small percentage of people do that

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              December 11, 2008 5:38 PM

              How do you know?

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                December 11, 2008 5:45 PM

                Because it's logical. Most people don't spend $200-400 to buy a replacement for something that can be fixed for free, especially an item one can easily live without for a couple weeks, especially in this economy.

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                  December 11, 2008 5:51 PM

                  Ok, then definitely a lot of people here haven't done that, and a lot of my friends definitely haven't done that. But in all seriousness I didn't do that. But I don't see how it's logical because the condition Microsoft sends those refurbished units to you, it would seem logical to want a brand new one.

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                    December 11, 2008 5:54 PM

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                    December 11, 2008 5:54 PM

                    It doesn't surprise me you don't find it logical, the rest of us do though, despite your anecdotal evidence from the hardcore.

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                      December 11, 2008 5:56 PM

                      Well how many times can you keep taking broken units that are refurbished older ones before you want a new one that hopefully will be reliable? Seems pretty logical to me. I've only gone through 3 xbox's and I'm tired of it.

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                        December 11, 2008 6:01 PM

                        How often are people willing to spend $200-400 completely unnecessarily? There's your answer

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                          December 11, 2008 6:06 PM

                          That doesn't even address the issue but that's ok you got it.

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                  December 12, 2008 12:04 AM

                  ^^^ Common sense here.

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                December 11, 2008 5:45 PM

                Common sense

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                  December 11, 2008 6:17 PM

                  common sense would apply to having a console not breaking under a year.

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                    December 11, 2008 6:19 PM

                    What does that have to do with people buying replacements for a luxury item they could get fixed for free instead?

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                      December 11, 2008 6:21 PM

                      some people would consider wasting time not free.

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                        December 11, 2008 6:25 PM

                        You think there are a significant number of people who are so addicted to the awesomeness of their 360 that they'd rather not live 2 weeks without it even if it means giving up purchasing a 24" LCD, a netbook, a ps3, a TiVo, etc instead and then having one of those awesome items and a 360? You really think there are a lot of people like that? In this economy no less?

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                          December 11, 2008 11:04 PM

                          Yeah. It's very easy to see. I have seen it, I've seen people post about it here. There is no question.

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                            December 11, 2008 11:24 PM

                            Oh well that settles it. That's as objective a measure as one could find. How could I possibly argue with such infallible evidence?

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                            December 11, 2008 11:38 PM

                            Yes, because a site dedicated to gaming, populated by hardcore gamers, is a perfectly reasonable place to draw a sample on this subject from.

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                              December 12, 2008 12:11 AM

                              ? I don't know where you are going. It's something that happens is all I'm saying. It's not something you can just ignore.

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                                December 12, 2008 12:42 AM

                                No that's not all you were saying. You said "a lot" of people do that, implying that it is a significant percentage. You were supporting the claim that the number of people doing this is so high that it is the leading cause of the 360 selling so much more than the PS3. That means millions of people are doing this. It really is common sense to know that this is false.

                                Sure maybe a few thousand people have done this. I agree with that. But that's not the claim you were making.

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                                  December 12, 2008 1:02 AM

                                  He'll still find some way to argue to the contrary don't worry

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                                  December 12, 2008 5:21 AM

                                  a lot of people != significant percentage.

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                                    December 12, 2008 5:22 AM

                                    and I was supporrting not ignoring it because it's not "very very very small" like you said. I don't think it's huge, but it's not insignificant.

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                                      December 12, 2008 7:35 AM

                                      Well which is it? First you said it's not a significant percentage and then in your reply you say it's not insignificant. Those are exactly opposite claims.

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                            December 11, 2008 11:56 PM

                            here's some more infallible logic: I know 8 people with 360s. Only one of them has red ringed and that was just a week ago, and he isn't buying a new one just so he won't be without a 360 for 2 weeks. What now dilutedq? How can you argue against my awesome anecdotal evidence? That's right, you can't.

                            Because anecdotal evidence isn't real evidence at all.

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                              December 12, 2008 12:12 AM

                              That's fine? But to just ignore it is laughably ignorant. It happens whether you'd like to admit it or not.

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                        December 12, 2008 12:05 AM

                        Right, because 5 minutes to call or fill out a form on a website and then another 5 minutes to pack it in a box and send it out is a huge time sink.

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                          December 12, 2008 12:10 AM

                          Really, you choose that to argue about? How about the 2 weeks of inconvience that can happen to most people up to 3 times fred? if not more. You are excusing that? You blow my mind.

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                            December 12, 2008 12:32 AM

                            Not excusing anything, you are just exaggerating the time it takes to get a replacement for effect. As usual. Sucks to be without the console, but your argument that a lot of people go buy new ones instead of getting them replaced is anecdotal and full of holes.

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                              December 12, 2008 4:52 AM

                              I'm just saying I know people who have and I see people post about it so it's not just some small amount. I didn't say most ever and I never exaggerated anything. It takes 2 weeks and most people have to do it more than once. It's a time sink

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                            December 12, 2008 1:01 AM

                            Speaking of mind blowing logic... do you even remember how this subthread started?

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                              December 12, 2008 4:53 AM

                              Yeah. Again like usual someone changes the subject.

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                            December 12, 2008 4:32 AM

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              December 12, 2008 5:17 AM

              30% failure rate at one point and when i bought mine, it had video issues within a week so i got a replacement

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                December 12, 2008 7:38 AM

                But that doesn't register as another sale. A replacement is not a sale unless you keep your broken one and go out and pay for a brand new one.

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            December 11, 2008 5:40 PM

            since when?

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            December 11, 2008 11:37 PM

            You greatly overestimate how much money normal people have

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              December 12, 2008 12:12 AM

              You underestimate how poorly people use their credit cards.

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          December 11, 2008 5:34 PM

          Wasn't there some disparity between the volume of consoles shipped to retailers and the volume of consoles actually bought?

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            December 11, 2008 5:40 PM

            There always is, the number still unsold sitting on retail shelves

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      December 11, 2008 5:34 PM

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        December 11, 2008 5:37 PM

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        December 11, 2008 5:37 PM

        Taken as purely 360 vs PS3 then I'd agree with you, but seeing as any exclusive worth having on the 360 will make its way onto the PC eventually it doesn't bother me so much, whereas the PS3 has enough great exclusives that are solely on that platform to warrant a purchase if you already own a gaming PC in my mind.

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      December 11, 2008 5:37 PM

      They can't fizzle out until I get my next ICO game.

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      December 11, 2008 5:38 PM

      it still will never be as good as a PC

      /owns a PS3

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      December 11, 2008 5:39 PM

      continued stride of being a good blu ray player? there still arent any games that seem worth picking up on ps3 over 360.

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        December 11, 2008 5:45 PM

        There are lots of great games, that is really no excuse anymore. And i'm not going to turn this into a "list thread"

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        December 11, 2008 5:52 PM

        That's the irony. Sony hyped it as a multimedia platform that by-the-way can play games. People are buying it as a multimedia platform that by-the-way can play games.

        Unless things have changed, they're still losing money on every console. The Sony multimedia platform hype is actually one of the things destroying the economic viability of the console.

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        December 12, 2008 12:35 AM

        Then you're not paying attention.

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      December 11, 2008 5:45 PM

      Analysts warn, however, that some users may be playing games on the devices.

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      December 11, 2008 6:14 PM

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      December 12, 2008 12:14 AM

      My PS3 is strictly a Bluray player. I will play God of War 3, any ICO game and um.....that may be about it? The rest is all 360.

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        December 12, 2008 1:53 AM

        My PS3 = Blu ray player + PS2 (60GB native) + PS3 exclusives. The only exception to this is Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo HD Remix, which owns much harder on SixAxis / DualShock3 than 360 D-pad. MK vs DC might go in this category too.

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        December 12, 2008 4:47 AM

        I thought MGS4 was your game of the year?

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        December 12, 2008 5:06 AM

        Really? You have no interest in Little Big Planet, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, WarHawk, WipEout HD? Those are all quality titles.

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          December 12, 2008 5:19 AM

          ^ they really are.

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      December 12, 2008 4:46 AM

      Out side of Killzone 2 and God of War, there isn't anything thats going to boost its numbers in the us. With Sony bleeding money in every division, they will have to do something soon.

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      December 12, 2008 4:54 AM

      i play my 360 way more, but i love my ps3 it's like the son that's never quiet as good at sports as your other kids but you love anyway because he has his own special little talent (BR player)

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      December 12, 2008 5:00 AM

      i had a catalogue on my table the other day that had the 360 at $298 AUD and the ps3 for $687 ... that's almost a $400 difference. granted the PS3 came with a 3rd party game and the 360 i think came with some shitty arcade pack... but fuck.. FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS. it's ridiculous.

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      December 12, 2008 5:02 AM

      If sony wouldn't have kept screwing with the skus I would have owned one by now.

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      December 12, 2008 5:17 AM

      I hope not, with the extra money I'll get for working over xmas I was hoping to pick one up. I'm sure Sony wouldn't let this thing die, what a kick in the guts for them if they had to abandon it for the PS4.

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        December 12, 2008 5:19 AM

        i doubt very much the ps3 will die.

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