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  I think let's not kill another game by doing this ;) : daedraug
  • The TF2 Tourney had it's drama but it really elevated the game to another level while it was going on. I... : midgetherder
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  i think a tournament would kill L4D just like the tournaments killed TF2 : electroly
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    Is it some sort of accepted fact that the tournaments killed TF2? : midgetherder
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      The tournaments killed TF2 for everyone that wasn't in them, yes. : Modica Sol Solis
      • While they were going on it was harder to get a normal game going, that is true. : daedraug
      • I thought they were fun. I think the biggest problem is that whenever you get a large enough group of ga... : midgetherder
      • and everyone else that was in them didn't really want to play anymore :P : dantastic
      • It killed them for me, for sure. :[ : Ebu
      • I wouldn't say the tournaments were entirely responsible, but they definitely made the shack tf2 servers ... : datoo
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    Weird, I don't think at all that the tournies killed TF2. I think the game just ran its course. : NastyJack
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      I think they at the very least accelerated the "burning out" process for many. Then again they were proba... : daedraug
      • I enjoyed the tourney but felt really burned out on TF2 when it ended, where I had been enjoying it just ... : Fayk
    • Yeah, me too. : Rice-Rocketeer
    • I still play TF2 daily. :( : ant_hillbilly
  • I really don't get this, the amount of time you had to commit was really low. If you really enjoyed play... : dkrulz
  • I thought the first TF2 tournament was pretty good at least. Less drama and I got to know some of the sha... : Alco23
• NO. NO. NO. Again, NO. : RyDogg1
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  I've thought about this, but the VS mode needs to be slightly more consistent, or at least tweaked in a w... : DHAvatar
  • And maybe VS should just be a fun thing instead of the TF2 tournament from before considering the randomn... : DHAvatar
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  How can you have a tournament for a game that is random for both teams. I guess you would have to score i... : hirosushima
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    That's true. I've often found L4D to be completely unfair because of some of the tank spawns. : NastyJack
    • ^^^^ DING DING DING Fuck tank spawn, we had one spawn right before we even opened the door in VS. wtf. : Iwannaacura
    • Even medpack luck/placement can pretty much win a round for one team. It's tons of fun, but the game has ... : Fayk
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    I don't know, just accept that it's part of the game and live with it? I mean L4D is all about being ran... : mikecyb
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      haha now that I've thought about it I absolutely agree it's a horrible idea simply because of witches and... : NastyJack
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        The problem is really the bitching because people are going to get all hung up on winning the Biggest Los... : midgetherder
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          yeah. I'd prefer just coordinated shack battles instead : hamachi
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            ^^^ This might be the idea to go. How about on a given Shackbattle night have teams of 4 rotate and pl... : Alco23
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              this would be so much more fun to me. just shit talking and shewing on brains all night. fill up all th... : hamachi
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                I'm in for this. : Gonzo
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                  we would need a more high profile shacker to organize it: hirez, thief or whomever. : hamachi
                  • How the heck do you consider me high profile, nonetheless I could help try to organize something. : thief
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            This. Also, I reaaally wish there was a better was to coordinate the player base and the number of ser... : Fayk
            • I just sit in a empty server and usually it gets filled up in 5minutes or so. : Alco23
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      That's all well and good for just playing casually with Shackers (as we have been)...but trying to run an... : Vincent Grayson
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        Round robin tournament over 4 weeks, each versus plays on all 4 campaigns. Point totals at end of every c... : persuxe
        • The whole thing would be a nightmare, and I agree with the people who think it wouldn't really make the g... : Vincent Grayson
• Shack _____ Tournament = hope you like waiting : Boxelder
• Please no. : sammyl
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  there would need to be a competitive vs mod first, things the ability to never get a tank at the first ha... : Demius
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    This is true. Also, Mine & Moonbase's team would destroy. : Rice-Rocketeer
    • This grammar is pooooor. : Rice-Rocketeer
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  If they decide to fix random tank/witch spawns, I'm in. Until then, ehhh : the_burd
  • I'm actually okay with the random witch/tank spawns. : Rice-Rocketeer
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    Can't who ever is running the server control the tank/witch spawns? : persuxe
    • I'd like to see a mod that gives total control of the infected to the players. Make what the director do... : gnomish
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  Let's see who can run thru an expert campaign the fastest! I think my best so far is a blood harvest r... : zen2k
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    how many times did you restart/die? : proclone1
    • I think we wiped only twice. : zen2k
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    I think the bigger challenge is for me to survive to the end! :P : Alco23
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      haha The director hates you, man! He's gotten you at least twice after the vehicle has shown up and t... : zen2k
      • I'm in too if you've got a space. Yeah on Expert, when the vehicle shows up, I think the AI Director j... : Arctic Fox
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  Maybe have teams of 4, competing to see who can fare the best on Expert on all 4 campaigns? Like who can... : deject
  • ^^^^^ this I like : proclone1
  • Yeah, this would be pretty cool! : Rice-Rocketeer
  • mrfunky, we could do it! : CrustaR
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    I'd tend to think the best way would be Team time trials. The only problem is there's a certain 'minim... : lordlobo
    • I seen to average 2-2.5 hours on expert clears, without really trying to rush things, so making a 2 hour ... : persuxe
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    Hahaha, I can see MASSIVE bitching about fair and unfair AI director. It is pretty variable, but you ope... : kainen1
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      People will always find something to whine about. I am fairly certain that if you do it over all 4 campa... : deject
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        just have the disclaimer that if you participate in the tournament, you play with the understanding that ... : proclone1
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          Then what's the point of the tournament at that point? Are not tournaments for competition? Why have a... : Vincent Grayson
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            This was for the coop time-trial. the AI doesn't make that much of a difference in coop, imo, than say i... : proclone1
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              Sure it does. Whether a human is controlling the tank or the AI is, if one team gets a tank in the first 10 seconds and the other team doesn't get a tank at all, the scores are going to be very different.

              Dec 05, 2008 5:28pm PST
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              Sure it does. Whether a human is controlling the tank or the AI is, if one team gets a tank in the first ... : the_burd
              • .... COOOOOOP!!! not fucking versus : proclone1
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  No. Until and unless there's a way to force the AI director to spawn weapons, tanks, witches, etc in all ... : Vincent Grayson
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    ^ this.. tank spawning & weapon placement are random and I don't think there is a way to level the playin... : jingletard
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      Over 20 maps, 16 if you don't count the finales, the placement of tanks/witch/weapons should normalize wi... : persuxe
      • Do you have a clue at how complex and awful that would be to track? : Vincent Grayson
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    and the second team know exactly where everything is....yeah that wouldnt work either man. : mrseldowski
    • Honestly, I think the only way to do it competitively would be to have an option for "static" weapon/tank... : Vincent Grayson
• lol, some teams would just roll on others if we didn't do it random : fletch_
• No no no. L4D is broken as a competitive game. It's a fun as all fucking hell game, and it is that way be : OverloadUT
• No. L4D is not tournament ready. Maybe if valve ever release a tournament patch like they did for TF2. : razlebol
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  I've thought about this, but I couldnt come up with a really good way to score it, because in VS mode it ... : hirez
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    Sup Hirez da TF2 commish! Instead of a tournament you can try running something like a coordinated Sha... : Alco23
    • that sounds pretty fun... hmmmm. : hirez
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    I am 90% sure that your assumptions about the tank spawns are incorrect. It's just random. : OverloadUT
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      Definitely, since you can't be "doing well" 30 seconds after exiting the safe room. : Vincent Grayson
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        I mean after the first act - I dont recall a tank showing up at the start of any Act 1... : hirez
        • I have seen a tank more than a few times come out in the first alley of act 1 no mercy and it seems to sp... : RetroRedEyeJr
    • I doubt it is 100% random. There is most likely some sort of algorithm running to determine when tanks s... : jigstah
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      well, thats even worse then. : hirez
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        I'd much rather it be random than what you said it is. : OverloadUT
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          I hate the randomness of it. I think if one team gets the tank early then the other team should also get ... : NastyJack
          • It's not supposed to be fair. It's supposed to be fun because it's unpredictable and different each time. : OverloadUT
• I can be on my own team. : thief