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  I think let's not kill another game by doing this ;) : daedraug
  • The TF2 Tourney had it's drama but it really elevated the game to another level while it was going on. I... : midgetherder
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  i think a tournament would kill L4D just like the tournaments killed TF2 : electroly
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    Is it some sort of accepted fact that the tournaments killed TF2? : midgetherder
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      The tournaments killed TF2 for everyone that wasn't in them, yes. : Modica Sol Solis
      • While they were going on it was harder to get a normal game going, that is true. : daedraug
      • I thought they were fun. I think the biggest problem is that whenever you get a large enough group of ga... : midgetherder
      • and everyone else that was in them didn't really want to play anymore :P : dantastic
      • It killed them for me, for sure. :[ : Ebu
      • I wouldn't say the tournaments were entirely responsible, but they definitely made the shack tf2 servers ... : datoo
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    Weird, I don't think at all that the tournies killed TF2. I think the game just ran its course. : NastyJack
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      I think they at the very least accelerated the "burning out" process for many. Then again they were proba... : daedraug
      • I enjoyed the tourney but felt really burned out on TF2 when it ended, where I had been enjoying it just ... : Fayk
    • Yeah, me too. : Rice-Rocketeer
    • I still play TF2 daily. :( : ant_hillbilly
  • I really don't get this, the amount of time you had to commit was really low. If you really enjoyed play... : dkrulz
  • I thought the first TF2 tournament was pretty good at least. Less drama and I got to know some of the sha... : Alco23
• NO. NO. NO. Again, NO. : RyDogg1
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  I've thought about this, but the VS mode needs to be slightly more consistent, or at least tweaked in a way to make it more fair. It sucks when one team gets a tank right off the bat and demolishes the other and when they switch, the other team doesn't even get a tank.
  
  The random witch placement is still iffy for me. On the one hand, it's an element of luck and gives the game more to chance, but if you make it the same place for the other team, then they get an advantage since they know where it is. Maybe they could intentionally place the witch in the same conditions (if it's blocking the path for one team, maybe it can block the other team in another spot).
  
  Also, doing the TF2 tournament so early led to problems when they were still tweaking the balance and updating the game (breaking demos), so I say we wait.

  Dec 05, 2008 11:37am PST
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  I've thought about this, but the VS mode needs to be slightly more consistent, or at least tweaked in a w... : DHAvatar
  • And maybe VS should just be a fun thing instead of the TF2 tournament from before considering the randomn... : DHAvatar
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  How can you have a tournament for a game that is random for both teams. I guess you would have to score i... : hirosushima
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    That's true. I've often found L4D to be completely unfair because of some of the tank spawns. : NastyJack
    • ^^^^ DING DING DING Fuck tank spawn, we had one spawn right before we even opened the door in VS. wtf. : Iwannaacura
    • Even medpack luck/placement can pretty much win a round for one team. It's tons of fun, but the game has ... : Fayk
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    I don't know, just accept that it's part of the game and live with it? I mean L4D is all about being ran... : mikecyb
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      haha now that I've thought about it I absolutely agree it's a horrible idea simply because of witches and... : NastyJack
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        The problem is really the bitching because people are going to get all hung up on winning the Biggest Los... : midgetherder
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          yeah. I'd prefer just coordinated shack battles instead : hamachi
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            ^^^ This might be the idea to go. How about on a given Shackbattle night have teams of 4 rotate and pl... : Alco23
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              this would be so much more fun to me. just shit talking and shewing on brains all night. fill up all th... : hamachi
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                I'm in for this. : Gonzo
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                  we would need a more high profile shacker to organize it: hirez, thief or whomever. : hamachi
                  • How the heck do you consider me high profile, nonetheless I could help try to organize something. : thief
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            This. Also, I reaaally wish there was a better was to coordinate the player base and the number of ser... : Fayk
            • I just sit in a empty server and usually it gets filled up in 5minutes or so. : Alco23
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      That's all well and good for just playing casually with Shackers (as we have been)...but trying to run an... : Vincent Grayson
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        Round robin tournament over 4 weeks, each versus plays on all 4 campaigns. Point totals at end of every c... : persuxe
        • The whole thing would be a nightmare, and I agree with the people who think it wouldn't really make the g... : Vincent Grayson
• Shack _____ Tournament = hope you like waiting : Boxelder
• Please no. : sammyl
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  there would need to be a competitive vs mod first, things the ability to never get a tank at the first ha... : Demius
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    This is true. Also, Mine & Moonbase's team would destroy. : Rice-Rocketeer
    • This grammar is pooooor. : Rice-Rocketeer
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  If they decide to fix random tank/witch spawns, I'm in. Until then, ehhh : the_burd
  • I'm actually okay with the random witch/tank spawns. : Rice-Rocketeer
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    Can't who ever is running the server control the tank/witch spawns? : persuxe
    • I'd like to see a mod that gives total control of the infected to the players. Make what the director do... : gnomish
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  Let's see who can run thru an expert campaign the fastest! I think my best so far is a blood harvest r... : zen2k
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    how many times did you restart/die? : proclone1
    • I think we wiped only twice. : zen2k
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    I think the bigger challenge is for me to survive to the end! :P : Alco23
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      haha The director hates you, man! He's gotten you at least twice after the vehicle has shown up and t... : zen2k
      • I'm in too if you've got a space. Yeah on Expert, when the vehicle shows up, I think the AI Director j... : Arctic Fox
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  Maybe have teams of 4, competing to see who can fare the best on Expert on all 4 campaigns? Like who can... : deject
  • ^^^^^ this I like : proclone1
  • Yeah, this would be pretty cool! : Rice-Rocketeer
  • mrfunky, we could do it! : CrustaR
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    I'd tend to think the best way would be Team time trials. The only problem is there's a certain 'minim... : lordlobo
    • I seen to average 2-2.5 hours on expert clears, without really trying to rush things, so making a 2 hour ... : persuxe
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    Hahaha, I can see MASSIVE bitching about fair and unfair AI director. It is pretty variable, but you ope... : kainen1
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      People will always find something to whine about. I am fairly certain that if you do it over all 4 campa... : deject
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        just have the disclaimer that if you participate in the tournament, you play with the understanding that ... : proclone1
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          Then what's the point of the tournament at that point? Are not tournaments for competition? Why have a... : Vincent Grayson
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            This was for the coop time-trial. the AI doesn't make that much of a difference in coop, imo, than say i... : proclone1
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              Sure it does. Whether a human is controlling the tank or the AI is, if one team gets a tank in the first ... : the_burd
              • .... COOOOOOP!!! not fucking versus : proclone1
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  No. Until and unless there's a way to force the AI director to spawn weapons, tanks, witches, etc in all ... : Vincent Grayson
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    ^ this.. tank spawning & weapon placement are random and I don't think there is a way to level the playin... : jingletard
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      Over 20 maps, 16 if you don't count the finales, the placement of tanks/witch/weapons should normalize wi... : persuxe
      • Do you have a clue at how complex and awful that would be to track? : Vincent Grayson
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    and the second team know exactly where everything is....yeah that wouldnt work either man. : mrseldowski
    • Honestly, I think the only way to do it competitively would be to have an option for "static" weapon/tank... : Vincent Grayson
• lol, some teams would just roll on others if we didn't do it random : fletch_
• No no no. L4D is broken as a competitive game. It's a fun as all fucking hell game, and it is that way be : OverloadUT
• No. L4D is not tournament ready. Maybe if valve ever release a tournament patch like they did for TF2. : razlebol
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  I've thought about this, but I couldnt come up with a really good way to score it, because in VS mode it ... : hirez
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    Sup Hirez da TF2 commish! Instead of a tournament you can try running something like a coordinated Sha... : Alco23
    • that sounds pretty fun... hmmmm. : hirez
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    I am 90% sure that your assumptions about the tank spawns are incorrect. It's just random. : OverloadUT
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      Definitely, since you can't be "doing well" 30 seconds after exiting the safe room. : Vincent Grayson
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        I mean after the first act - I dont recall a tank showing up at the start of any Act 1... : hirez
        • I have seen a tank more than a few times come out in the first alley of act 1 no mercy and it seems to sp... : RetroRedEyeJr
    • I doubt it is 100% random. There is most likely some sort of algorithm running to determine when tanks s... : jigstah
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      well, thats even worse then. : hirez
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        I'd much rather it be random than what you said it is. : OverloadUT
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          I hate the randomness of it. I think if one team gets the tank early then the other team should also get ... : NastyJack
          • It's not supposed to be fair. It's supposed to be fun because it's unpredictable and different each time. : OverloadUT
• I can be on my own team. : thief